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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Dear Brownells, Release DanTSX, please. Thanks 
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:21:37 PM EDT
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Those other sites sold to advertising companies who only cared about cashing in. (GlockTalk is another example.) This is an entirely different situation. We would never put this place at risk like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please don't do to arfcom what happened to the hide.....never liked that place to begin with, but after it changed hands it went downhill quick. @GoatBoy |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:22:10 PM EDT
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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:22:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rights to content have to be conveyed from one entity to another regardless of shared ownership. And - while we don't *know* as we aren't privy to the paperwork - Brownells Inc and AR15.COM are completely separate entities that share a common owner, 2nd Adventures.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:23:59 PM EDT
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Whelp, hope the Avila’s made out well on the sale and that the corn growers don’t fuck with the site too much.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok so the best thing I can say is this. Give it a couple months and see where we are. See if your fears are coming true and if any new chaos threatens this place. 
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:27:05 PM EDT
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Rights to content have to be conveyed from one entity to another regardless of shared ownership. And - while we don't *know* as we aren't privy to the paperwork - the way it's being presented is Brownells Inc and AR15.COM are completely separate entities that share a common owner, 2nd Adventures. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You keep pointing that out, but I’m not seeing that it really matters much? Not intending to be a dick towards you, just that I think this seems most applicable: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53338/A8963196-CA3F-4B4E-A6A0-4BBFE56106B7_jpeg-967940.JPG
If entity A owns both “B” and “C”, can’t “A” just send a memo to “C” saying ‘give all your data’ to “B”? That’s my point of confusion (in there being any meaningful difference). |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:31:00 PM EDT
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I’d have to take your word for it, as I’m literally too ignorant to know the difference.
If entity A owns both “B” and “C”, can’t “A” just send a memo to “C” saying ‘give all your data’ to “B”? That’s my point of confusion (in there being any meaningful difference). Private companies it is probably fine. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:31:06 PM EDT
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Can you even imagine Pete Brownell surfing to AR15.com to see their new accusation? Guy would probably roll up into a ball and cry. Would need PTSD treatment after reading through GD.
 Mr. Brownell is a stand up guy I am sure. But he seems like the kind of man that would get bent out of shape if you used the word "hell" in a non biblical context. Or any profanity for that matter. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:31:20 PM EDT
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Congratulations on your new business venture, the Avila family. I get the feeling this decision was not made haphazardly and that it will further the goal of protecting our rights.
It's reassuring to know that the owners of the largest gun based website on the internet are just as involved in our interests as they are in their own. I'm sure they knew there would be some naysayers and doubters, however, they did it anyways because they saw a way to help our community and protect our freedom(s) as well. I hope that reads right, I suck at internets. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. At least not Brownells Inc. 2nd Adventures owns AR15.COM LLC. 2nd Adventures owns Brownells Inc. That does not necessarily mean Brownells Inc owns rights to AR15.COM LLC IP or content. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:33:12 PM EDT
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They will be upgraded to Hyundai Excel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happens to the staff Yugo? That thing is full of years of Sounds like fightin' words when we have SuperKiaMan on site. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:35:43 PM EDT
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In on one
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:37:03 PM EDT
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Normally I would wonder why anyone would want a traditional web forum in 2019 since everyone is shifting to social networks, but since all the major social media networks are either demonetizing firearm content or purging it entirely, there might be a good reason to own a site like arfcom. Even the gun communities that haven't been banned on a site like reddit survive with only the most tortured of rules. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:37:30 PM EDT
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Poor Brownells chat support.
All the imbeciles are rushing over for beans or no beans support. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:39:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:40:15 PM EDT
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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:40:49 PM EDT
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Yea... but the bigger point is no matter what company you call it, they are all ran by the same people... |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:42:37 PM EDT
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Insert typical arfcom rant about something complaining about something penis
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to Beekeeper? |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully not and we see some other posters get the boot too. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:47:45 PM EDT
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Hopefully not and we see some other posters get the boot too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dear Brownells, Release DanTSX, please. Thanks 
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:47:53 PM EDT
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What happened to Beekeeper? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member. I said that members had been banned for NRA bashing TBK calls me a liar Aimless calls him on it TBK doubles down Aimless proves that TBK is lying TBK resigns and logs out. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:47:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully not and we see some other posters get the boot too. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:48:38 PM EDT
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I bet the WVHTF really picks up steam now.........
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:49:22 PM EDT
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I hope with the change that Beekeeper comes back. Was a great staff member. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:49:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:50:09 PM EDT
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Does this deal have a "poison pill" clause if Brownells starts tweaking and slowly muting us or just messes with our forum in any negative way? @GoatBoy |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:52:41 PM EDT
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Long story short: I said that members had been banned for NRA bashing TBK calls me a liar Aimless calls him on it TBK doubles down Aimless proves that TBK is lying TBK resigns and logs out. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:54:45 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing Brownells has ever been in GD and still did the acquisition.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:55:04 PM EDT
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14 pages in, countless people have mentioned experience with other forums being sold, resulting destruction, but I don't think I've seen an example of success.
We might be just unique and strong enough to pull it off, but losing that uniqueness is exactly what we are afraid of. The stakes are high. The fear is not unfounded. This isn't moving the reply button across the screen, this has the capability of completely transforming the site. I'm not optimistic, but I think the fact the Arfcom does so well in the era of fbook/twt bodes well for us. If anyone can do this, it's us. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:56:43 PM EDT
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What are the screen names for the members of 2nd adventure group and how long have they been members?
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:57:49 PM EDT
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Brownells has no control over ARFCOM, it's 2nd Adventure, so only those in the controlling entity are going to be a voice on things. As for a poison pill, hmmm. It's setup to allow us shared decision making. They want this to succeed and us to be involved. This isn't us running away with money or them trying to push control for their own purposes. We all want the same thing here. ARFCOM is an important place. You all are what make this community special and why we fight so hard for the 2A community. This is not an end, but a beginning. I've said it a few times and I really believe it. I have been around buyouts before and this is different. How it plays out will be determined in the coming years, but I hope that we prove that two companies with like minded folks can make it work for everyone's benefit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this deal have a "poison pill" clause if Brownells starts tweaking and slowly muting us or just messes with our forum in any negative way? @GoatBoy |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:58:05 PM EDT
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Long story short: I said that members had been banned for NRA bashing TBK calls me a liar Aimless calls him on it TBK doubles down Aimless proves that TBK is lying TBK resigns and logs out. (Being that I was banned at the time ) https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Nra-Wayne-la-pierre-support-idea/5-2080047/?r=-1&page=1&anc=70759150#i70759150 Turns out, Wayne isnt as liked as he once was. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:58:48 PM EDT
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Congratulations.
I'm hoping that the mention of the 1st and the 2nd amendment implies the desire to extend the most popular firearm website to a dedicated firearms media platform, and perhaps a conservative media outlet as well. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:58:57 PM EDT
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Was there "87" in the sales price? Like $1,000,000,000.87? If not, I'm really disappoint.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:59:08 PM EDT
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What are the screen names for the members of 2nd adventure group and how long have they been members? Look out for 19ers! |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 7:59:49 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing Brownells has ever been in GD and still did the acquisition. As a vehicle for information, with the potential for grassroots movements in the 2a world, ARFCOM is second to none. This leads to some interesting speculation on why ARFCOM would be attractive to someone like Pete Brownell, a former NRA board member. I'm interested to see what plays out. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:00:46 PM EDT
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What are the screen names for the members of 2nd adventure group and how long have they been members? ETA: I guess not.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:00:57 PM EDT
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I hope this turns out to be a unicorn.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:02:09 PM EDT
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Well, back to /k/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/338306/FE35E29A-5C73-4A0B-BD49-6177880141DE_png-967922.JPG I hate the images popping up when I try to scroll. 
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:03:17 PM EDT
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Brownells has no control over ARFCOM, it's 2nd Adventure, so only those in the controlling entity are going to be a voice on things. As for a poison pill, hmmm. It's setup to allow us shared decision making. They want this to succeed and us to be involved. This isn't us running away with money or them trying to push control for their own purposes. We all want the same thing here. ARFCOM is an important place. You all are what make this community special and why we fight so hard for the 2A community. This is not an end, but a beginning. I've said it a few times and I really believe it. I have been around buyouts before and this is different. How it plays out will be determined in the coming years, but I hope that we prove that two companies with like minded folks can make it work for everyone's benefit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this deal have a "poison pill" clause if Brownells starts tweaking and slowly muting us or just messes with our forum in any negative way? @GoatBoy |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't 2nd Adventure Group wholly owned by Pete and Frank Brownell? 
I imagine there will be a team created and assigned to the group to help with overall decisions and making sure of its direction. As of now Brownells sites on one branch of the tree and ARFCOM sits alone on another. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:04:35 PM EDT
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I see they keep ignoring Industry Partner posts. I imagine the whole industry section going away. They aren't going to fund Brownells, their competitor, nor will Brownells see their potential profits go to other companies
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2nd Adventure Group and 2nd Adventure Group Media LLC were both formed on 5/30/2019.... Look out for 19ers! |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:05:48 PM EDT
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I have a hard time believing Brownells has ever been in GD and still did the acquisition. 
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:06:31 PM EDT
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87_days ETA: I guess not.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:06:46 PM EDT
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Isn't 2nd Adventure Group wholly owned by Pete and Frank Brownell? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this deal have a "poison pill" clause if Brownells starts tweaking and slowly muting us or just messes with our forum in any negative way? @GoatBoy
I am optimistic at this point and can see good things happening. And if not, oh well. |
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:06:58 PM EDT
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I feel violated.
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Posted: 6/3/2019 8:07:00 PM EDT
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Was there "87" in the sales price? Like $1,000,000,000.87? If not, I'm really disappoint. |
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