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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:11:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha. I both love and hate it. On the one hand I catch them in so much shit and solve a lot of problems because they are fucking idiots….on the other…I lose faith in humanity. The best one was where a dude had orchestrated his old lady and some other dude to fuck in a hotel somewhere so he could listen in....15 minutes at a time.... |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:15:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quote HistoryQuoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:19:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? Judges. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:22:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:26:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best one was where a dude had orchestrated his old lady and some other dude to fuck in a hotel somewhere so he could listen in....15 minutes at a time.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Haha. I both love and hate it. On the one hand I catch them in so much shit and solve a lot of problems because they are fucking idiots….on the other…I lose faith in humanity. The best one was where a dude had orchestrated his old lady and some other dude to fuck in a hotel somewhere so he could listen in....15 minutes at a time.... Hahahaha! We have tablets they can call from. I’ve had two cellmates on the phone having phone sex with one of the guy’s girlfriend. So two guys in a 8x10 with their dicks in their hands basically jerking off together. The girlfriend didn’t know the other guy was there in the beginning. And that’s degenerate shit I don’t even care about. I’ve caught so much real shit on there. It’s crazy, but it makes the work interesting. Kind of like playing chess with a child sometimes though. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:30:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:30:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? hardly....we're thin as it is on manpower...so you'd be vacating officers from housing units to do other things...and then you'd have to redesign every single prison in existence....Theres approximately 300 inmates in my institution alone that aren't even in cells...it's a big open bay with bunk beds....how you planning to put all of them behind a door? and i work on a complex with 4 other institutions on it...one joint doesn't have any locking cells at all...and another minimum security camp has around 600 in open bays and the low security joint has almost 1200 in open bays....how do you expect two people to supervise 1200 inmates while the others are on "meal cart operations"? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:31:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? A large part of the incarcerated population will return to our communities. Would you want them to be a better version of them self or a worse one? A primary goal of modern prison is something called reentry. You give them jobs, education, religious services, recreation, etc. Not only to reduce issues within prison but to also try and give them other options other than criminal activity. Locking them all away 24/7 leads to more issues (trust me they know how to make problems for the prison) |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:33:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:35:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hardly....we're thin as it is on manpower...so you'd be vacating officers from housing units to do other things...and then you'd have to redesign every single prison in existence....Theres approximately 300 inmates in my institution alone that aren't even in cells...it's a big open bay with bunk beds....how you planning to put all of them behind a door? and i work on a complex with 4 other institutions on it...one joint doesn't have any locking cells at all...and another minimum security camp has around 600 in open bays and the low security joint has almost 1200 in open bays....how do you expect two people to supervise 1200 inmates while the others are on "meal cart operations"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? hardly....we're thin as it is on manpower...so you'd be vacating officers from housing units to do other things...and then you'd have to redesign every single prison in existence....Theres approximately 300 inmates in my institution alone that aren't even in cells...it's a big open bay with bunk beds....how you planning to put all of them behind a door? and i work on a complex with 4 other institutions on it...one joint doesn't have any locking cells at all...and another minimum security camp has around 600 in open bays and the low security joint has almost 1200 in open bays....how do you expect two people to supervise 1200 inmates while the others are on "meal cart operations"? Yes, yes I am. What supervision do inmates locked in cells need? They can hang themselves as far as I'm concerned. Hell, I'd even let them get 6 feet of rope upon request. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:36:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? gang activity is not permitted.....quite the opposite...a lot of time and attention is paid to gathering intelligence on inmates and their affiliations and how to disrupt the gangs...but most of the time its just a game of whack a mole |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:37:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A large part of the incarcerated population will return to our communities. Would you want them to be a better version of them self or a worse one? A primary goal of modern prison is something called reentry. You give them jobs, education, religious services, recreation, etc. Not only to reduce issues within prison but to also try and give them other options other than criminal activity. Locking them all away 24/7 leads to more issues (trust me they know how to make problems for the prison) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? A large part of the incarcerated population will return to our communities. Would you want them to be a better version of them self or a worse one? A primary goal of modern prison is something called reentry. You give them jobs, education, religious services, recreation, etc. Not only to reduce issues within prison but to also try and give them other options other than criminal activity. Locking them all away 24/7 leads to more issues (trust me they know how to make problems for the prison) I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:38:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:38:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. There are many ways to do time. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:38:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, yes I am. What supervision do inmates locked in cells need? They can hang themselves as far as I'm concerned. Hell, I'd even let them get 6 feet of rope upon request. Once again, the answer to your questions is judges. Locking down inmates was a thing for quite some time. They've been suing, and winning. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:40:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:43:22 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. yup |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:43:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: then please tell us....what should we do? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:43:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: gang activity is not permitted.....quite the opposite...a lot of time and attention is paid to gathering intelligence on inmates and their affiliations and how to disrupt the gangs...but most of the time its just a game of whack a mole Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? gang activity is not permitted.....quite the opposite...a lot of time and attention is paid to gathering intelligence on inmates and their affiliations and how to disrupt the gangs...but most of the time its just a game of whack a mole Yep. We catch a lot of shit. I know for everything we catch there are at least 10 other games still being played. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:44:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:45:25 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. And again, people in black robes that decide what freedoms you do or do not have disagree with you. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:45:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best one was where a dude had orchestrated his old lady and some other dude to fuck in a hotel somewhere so he could listen in....15 minutes at a time.... Jack Murphy? 
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:45:46 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then lock up the staff too. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/federal-corrections-officer-and-inmates-charged-bribery-smuggling-and-drug-conspiracy |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:46:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And again, people in black robes that decide what freedoms you do or do not have disagree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. And again, people in black robes that decide what freedoms you do or do not have disagree with you. You asked me for my opinion on what should be done with them. I don't really give a rip what judges think. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:47:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then lock up the staff too. https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/federal-corrections-officer-and-inmates-charged-bribery-smuggling-and-drug-conspiracy Hang him. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:47:52 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. And we have that. It's called solitary. We also have avenues for inmates who might want to improve. At some joints they can land in solitary for almost anything that can be perceived to be across the line. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:47:56 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: gang activity is not permitted.....quite the opposite...a lot of time and attention is paid to gathering intelligence on inmates and their affiliations and how to disrupt the gangs...but most of the time its just a game of whack a mole Inmates still have due process just like out in public. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:48:01 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You asked me for my opinion on what should be done with them. I don't really give a rip what judges think. No didn't. I'm merely pointing out why your fix is based in fantasy land. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:49:25 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yup Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. yup We used to catch shit through visitation so I told myself the staff problems, though we caught a lot, weren’t the biggest issue. Then we locked down for the wu flu and the facility black market didn’t even skip a beat. We haven’t had in person visitation for damn near two years. I’m still finding crack, Suboxone, etc as much as before. It shouldn’t, but it actually upset me a little. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:50:20 PM EST
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I spent years as a prison nurse. I’ve seen it all. Serial child murder with a large picture of a young Dakota Fanning in his cell. We even had an inmate from Nantucket. My Buddy was a CO and said they catch the guy sucking his own dick all the time. Seen stabbings, rapes a murder (what a mess).
I could never do time. I couldn’t even stand being in prison for 40-60hrs a week. I’d hang up or not let them take me alive before I’d spend life or even a decade in jail. Depressing shit hole with shit people. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:51:43 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then lock up the staff too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:52:09 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And we have that. It's called solitary. We also have avenues for inmates who might want to improve. At some joints they can land in solitary for almost anything that can be perceived to be across the line. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. And we have that. It's called solitary. We also have avenues for inmates who might want to improve. At some joints they can land in solitary for almost anything that can be perceived to be across the line. Like I said, all the books you want. I'm not saying these changes would be effortless or without cost. I'm saying that they'd be worth it. The system we have now, where we have more of our population incarcerated than China, Russia, or North Korea is broken. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:52:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No didn't. I'm merely pointing out why your fix is based in fantasy land. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You asked me for my opinion on what should be done with them. I don't really give a rip what judges think. No didn't. I'm merely pointing out why your fix is based in fantasy land. In what way is my proposed prison system fantasy? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:54:35 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In what way is my proposed prison system fantasy? Because judges have said that isn't legal. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:54:43 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:54:50 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:56:12 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because judges have said that isn't legal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In what way is my proposed prison system fantasy? Because judges have said that isn't legal. So we should just accept having the highest incarceration rate in the world? Higher than North Korea, which literally runs concentration camps for the families of defectors? No, a judge says we can't fix things so I guess we're fucked, eh? |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:56:41 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? It doesn't. When caught they are charged. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:56:53 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? And this. As much as I hate inmate bullshit, no one is going to like the person going from a 10 year stint confined to a cell to instantly released back into the public. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:57:41 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? I want to administer proper punishment for crimes. I want that punishment to be severe enough that people fear suffering it again. What they do with their lives afterwards is not my concern, so long as they don't hurt others. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:58:20 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't. When caught they are charged. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? It doesn't. When caught they are charged. Apparently not enough, if they're the major facilitators of gang activity within prisons. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:58:32 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? I tell you what… Get yourself a job in corrections investigating these things and when you get some experience you can reflect on the issue with the insight you need. |
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Posted: 1/1/2022 11:59:22 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So we should just accept having the highest incarceration rate in the world? Higher than North Korea, which literally runs concentration camps for the families of defectors? No, a judge says we can't fix things so I guess we're fucked, eh? You believe the incarceration rates provided by Russia, NK, and China? LOL I'm not saying our system is perfect, fwiw. I just don't know how to realistically fix it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:01:22 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I tell you what… Get yourself a job in corrections investigating these things and when you get some experience you can reflect on the issue with the insight you need. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? I tell you what… Get yourself a job in corrections investigating these things and when you get some experience you can reflect on the issue with the insight you need. I have no interest in interacting with those scum. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:02:23 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently not enough, if they're the major facilitators of gang activity within prisons. That's a bit of a stretch. And at places where it is bad major shake ups happen. As in the case I linked to. The biggest intro scheme I have seen wasn't staff. It was inmate families/gangs sending drugs in through the mail. Soaked cards and things like that. They made it so all mail was photo copied. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:03:59 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You believe the incarceration rates provided by Russia, NK, and China? LOL I'm not saying our system is perfect, fwiw. I just don't know how to realistically fix it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So we should just accept having the highest incarceration rate in the world? Higher than North Korea, which literally runs concentration camps for the families of defectors? No, a judge says we can't fix things so I guess we're fucked, eh? You believe the incarceration rates provided by Russia, NK, and China? LOL I'm not saying our system is perfect, fwiw. I just don't know how to realistically fix it. I don't even believe my town's financial statements when they propose building a welcome sign. The fact remains that we have the highest incarceration rate in the Western world by far. New Zealand is the next closest on the list, and they're 50 spots ahead of us. That is not acceptable to me. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:04:11 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to administer proper punishment for crimes. I want that punishment to be severe enough that people fear suffering it again. What they do with their lives afterwards is not my concern, so long as they don't hurt others. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? I want to administer proper punishment for crimes. I want that punishment to be severe enough that people fear suffering it again. What they do with their lives afterwards is not my concern, so long as they don't hurt others. You ever see how a man reacts when he goes from a facility that’s 23/1, seg 23 hours a day with 1 hour of rec by himself, to freedom? I bet you haven’t. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:05:09 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a bit of a stretch. And at places where it is bad major shake ups happen. As in the case I linked to. The biggest intro scheme I have seen wasn't staff. It was inmate families/gangs sending drugs in through the mail. Soaked cards and things like that. They made it so all mail was photo copied. Problem solved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently not enough, if they're the major facilitators of gang activity within prisons. That's a bit of a stretch. And at places where it is bad major shake ups happen. As in the case I linked to. The biggest intro scheme I have seen wasn't staff. It was inmate families/gangs sending drugs in through the mail. Soaked cards and things like that. They made it so all mail was photo copied. Problem solved. Or just let them get high in their cells. I don't care if they want to. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:05:56 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or just let them get high in their cells. I don't care if they want to. They get it sent in to sell it. That's a big part of gang activity. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:06:29 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You ever see how a man reacts when he goes from a facility that’s 23/1, seg 23 hours a day with 1 hour of rec by himself, to freedom? I bet you haven’t. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want them to be better versions. I strongly suspect that being forced to join a gang for protection does not lead to being a better version. then please tell us....what should we do? Pretty sure I already said what we should do. Barred cells, containing a bed and a toilet. 3 bland meals a day. One book at a time, available upon request. You can write as many letters as you want and receive inspected mail in return. This doesn't seem like rocket science. It's putting people in a box for a specified term. Do want to release hardened criminals eventually or people that have some shot at unfucking themselves should they have that in them to do so? I want to administer proper punishment for crimes. I want that punishment to be severe enough that people fear suffering it again. What they do with their lives afterwards is not my concern, so long as they don't hurt others. You ever see how a man reacts when he goes from a facility that’s 23/1, seg 23 hours a day with 1 hour of rec by himself, to freedom? I bet you haven’t. I have not, and never claimed to, nor implied that I have. |
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