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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:07:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They get it sent in to sell it. That's a big part of gang activity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or just let them get high in their cells. I don't care if they want to. They get it sent in to sell it. That's a big part of gang activity. Not a problem if they're locked in cells at all times. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:08:55 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no interest in interacting with those scum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? I tell you what… Get yourself a job in corrections investigating these things and when you get some experience you can reflect on the issue with the insight you need. I have no interest in interacting with those scum. So you just have strong opinions about shit you don’t have any experience with and don’t want to really know about? Got it. Carry on. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:10:01 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't need to know about you....I literally watch this shit break people every single day.....you're no different....It would destroy anyone Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know zero about me. I understand your speculation though. I don't need to know about you....I literally watch this shit break people every single day.....you're no different....It would destroy anyone I haven't talked to another person in two weeks, and I have maladaptive daydreaming. I didn't get out bed until 6:30pm today, only to watch a Kraken hockey game. I'd be fine. I would love several weeks alone with no responsibilities or consequences. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:10:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you just have strong opinions about shit you don’t have any experience with and don’t want to really know about? Got it. Carry on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Do you think inmates in a cell by themselves have no way to disrupt operations and cause a need for staffing changes/adjustments? Changes, certainly. I think massive changes are needed in our prisons with regard to staffing. Please answer the question, if you're willing. Why is gang activity permitted in prisons? They're some of the most heavily controlled and policed locations on the face of this planet, yet drugs and weapons flow freely. This would be reduced if all prisoners were permanently in solitary confinement, no? Gang activity isn’t permitted. It is there. Humans do that shit. Especially the type you’ll find locked up in a facility. They are also able to get people you wouldn’t suspect to assist them. You know brings in the majority of the contraband? The staff. You know how information gets around? The staff. You know why you can’t lock down the entire population and snuff out 100% of the bullshit? The staff. Then lock up the staff too. Well shit. You’re a God damn genius Gump! It doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You seem to know that the staff are facilitating crime. Why does the system permit them to do that? I tell you what… Get yourself a job in corrections investigating these things and when you get some experience you can reflect on the issue with the insight you need. I have no interest in interacting with those scum. So you just have strong opinions about shit you don’t have any experience with and don’t want to really know about? Got it. Carry on. I have strong opinions about lots of things. I didn't realize one needed to be employed as a prison guard in order to have an opinion about our criminal justice system. Got it. Carry on. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:12:37 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a con on one of the prison shows who kept violating rules because he would get put in solitary and he didn't like being in genpop. After multiple stays in solitary they told him all his violations were lengthening his prison stay.  |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:32:02 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? Former Correctional Officer here. Here is the answer to this. The public doesn’t see the value in staffing a prison with enough Officers to prevent gang activity. Just look at the political signs placed at your intersections during local elections. Government and the public are busy licking the funding boot of police officers while ignoring Correctional facilities. Correctional facilities are dilapidated while being permanently understaffed and abused by their own government/employer. Nothing more than Out of site out of mind. That’s what the public AND government wants with Corrections. One Officer to 125 inmates will do nothing more than keep them fed and prevent them from escaping. This this the reality of Correctional work that is enabled yet completely unnoticed by the public. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:43:47 AM EDT
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I can confirm that staff brings in all the contraband. The two years I worked in a jail, they fired three people out of a staff of about 30. Inmates knew shit about officers personal life that could only come from officers. I left corrections because of my coworkers. They caught three, I knew two people were bringing shit in, and inmates were told about personal information from officers.
I began to trust inmates more than my coworkers, and I had good reason. The officers were the biggest bunch of scumbags I've ever seen, just like the inmates. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:58:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It won't be enough, we only got two books a week in jail. And I'm a fast reader and could read through Red Storm Rising in less than a day, ended up having to trade most of my food to the other inmates to get me books to read. The only thing that can keep you sane is by having a really good imagination to live out your memories in your head, I spent many many hours imagining I was still shitposting on the internet and making a list of topic thread ideas to make once I got out. Certain life experiences through childhood (poverty, lack of stimuli, domineering parent) can develop traits (introversion, acceptance, determination) needed to cope with - or actually enjoy - solitary. Having a quiet mind, being comfortable in your own skin, and having a rock solid reason to be "in there" rather than "out there" would go a long way towards that. Also agree that 99% of people vastly overestimate their ability to deal with solitary. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:01:31 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can confirm that staff brings in all the contraband. The two years I worked in a jail, they fired three people out of a staff of about 30. Inmates knew shit about officers personal life that could only come from officers. I left corrections because of my coworkers. They caught three, I knew two people were bringing shit in, and inmates were told about personal information from officers. I began to trust inmates more than my coworkers, and I had good reason. The officers were the biggest bunch of scumbags I've ever seen, just like the inmates. The female guards were the worst from my experiences. Boy, did they enjoy all that power and attention. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:04:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The female guards were the worst from my experiences. Boy, did they enjoy all that power and attention. Amazing how a female CO fucking male inmates gets quietly dismissed when a male CO will get a full investigation against him for even the most ridiculous allegations. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:49:49 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have strong opinions about lots of things. I didn't realize one needed to be employed as a prison guard in order to have an opinion about our criminal justice system. Got it. Carry on. Humility is not your strongest quality. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:50:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Humility is not your strongest quality. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have strong opinions about lots of things. I didn't realize one needed to be employed as a prison guard in order to have an opinion about our criminal justice system. Got it. Carry on. Humility is not your strongest quality. Never claimed it to be. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:05:49 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never claimed it to be. Punctual, concise, and emphatic posts are, however. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:14:25 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd be wrong....It's not like getting to spend time alone to catch up on reading...There's no TV...very little time for rec....It stinks..other inmates are yelling, screaming..you can't see anything that's going on, your social interaction consists of being fed through a slot in the door and having a flashlight shined in your face every 30 minutes, day or night..you have one sheet, and one blanket...no pillow...Your concept of time is all fucked up...It is a complete mind fuck...you'll pace the floor in your cell for hours....lay down and sleep....and repeat the process over and over....hypersomnolence and insomnia are both very possible....you don't even have control over whether or not your lights are on in the cell.....you absolutely WILL be psychologically damaged...these dudes spend weeks/months or years locked up like this for one reason or another and they just can't function any other way....Their letters out and phone calls are usually incoherent rambling....the shit is wild....so no.....you wouldn't like it, you would far prefer the company of other inmates....and you would quickly give up giving a shit why they were there Sounds like a pretty good reason not to be a shitbag and go to jail. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:55:34 AM EDT
[#15]
Papillon , the book, not the shitty movies.
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:13:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best one was where a dude had orchestrated his old lady and some other dude to fuck in a hotel somewhere so he could listen in....15 minutes at a time.... Ever hear those stories of when for whatever reason the wife and mistress go to visit an inmate in jail at the same time? Whenever I hear a story like that the ending is usually a Jerry Springer worthy fight. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 5:19:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like a pretty good reason not to be a shitbag and go to jail. Except that, as one poster who seems to know what he's talking about said, you're one mistake away from ending up in prison. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 8:36:32 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I personally believe all jail/prison sentences should be in solitary confinement. The length of the sentence should be reduced, on average, to approximately 1/3 of what we give now. The only exception should be for murder, kidnapping and rape. All the child molestors rejoice! |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 8:57:00 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wes says you put in the work, even in solitary.  Not anymore, Wes is dead. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 9:01:38 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's fucked up is the laws that put them in prison. If you cannot be free then society has no purpose for you. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 9:09:50 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: fuck no, it's like being in an overcrowded aquarium full of hungry fish that keep on nipping on each other. I got to see first hand how that worked, the strongest inmates would bully and wear the weakest ones slowly but surely. I was lucky I wasn't, the poor bastard that got the brunt of the bullying was in jail just because he couldn't pay child support. They'd take his food, fuck with him while sleeping and make thinly veiled threats of rape. And if you try to fight back they'd just beat the shit out of you, saw that happen with a new guy who got his jaw broken only two days after. The guys that attack you won't give a shit if they get their sentences extended for attacking you because it earns them more respect from the other bullies. Fuck that, solitary might be shitty for different reasons but at least you won't have to worry about someone attacking you anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the shit is wild....so no.....you wouldn't like it, you would far prefer the company of other inmates....and you would quickly give up giving a shit why they were there fuck no, it's like being in an overcrowded aquarium full of hungry fish that keep on nipping on each other. I got to see first hand how that worked, the strongest inmates would bully and wear the weakest ones slowly but surely. I was lucky I wasn't, the poor bastard that got the brunt of the bullying was in jail just because he couldn't pay child support. They'd take his food, fuck with him while sleeping and make thinly veiled threats of rape. And if you try to fight back they'd just beat the shit out of you, saw that happen with a new guy who got his jaw broken only two days after. The guys that attack you won't give a shit if they get their sentences extended for attacking you because it earns them more respect from the other bullies. Fuck that, solitary might be shitty for different reasons but at least you won't have to worry about someone attacking you anymore. And about 60% of the people have some sort of mental health issue. While sleeping in a dorm you also have the added benefit of thinking about who's crazy enough to slam a pencil in your ear while you're sleeping. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 9:15:29 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I personally believe all jail/prison sentences should be in solitary confinement. The length of the sentence should be reduced, on average, to approximately 1/3 of what we give now. The only exception should be for murder, kidnapping and rape. Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? When Marion had two guards killed in the same day they locked that bitch down for 20 years. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 9:17:27 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 10:31:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:11:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:18:26 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:24:59 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't talked to another person in two weeks, and I have maladaptive daydreaming. I didn't get out bed until 6:30pm today, only to watch a Kraken hockey game. I'd be fine. I would love several weeks alone with no responsibilities or consequences. 
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:26:39 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:26:47 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha. I both love and hate it. On the one hand I catch them in so much shit and solve a lot of problems because they are fucking idiots….on the other…I lose faith in humanity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know you know, but for the extended audience….y’all should hear the shit they say and do to get money on their “books”. I love listening to inmate phone calls Haha. I both love and hate it. On the one hand I catch them in so much shit and solve a lot of problems because they are fucking idiots….on the other…I lose faith in humanity. "Steve stole my cigarettes. I want tou to go over and fuck his wife." |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 11:33:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Most people agree with your overall sentiment expressed here; they are just stating that it isn't feasible given the cultural, logistical, and legal hurdles. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:43:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Which will cost more taxpayer money. Funding for most of these places is pretty limited as it is I would think. You ok with more taxes? I don’t disagree with your basic sentiments on this subject, but they’re a bit too simplistic. It’s simply not as easy as you’re making it out to be. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 12:51:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which will cost more taxpayer money. Funding for most of these places is pretty limited as it is I would think. You ok with more taxes? I don’t disagree with your basic sentiments on this subject, but they’re a bit too simplistic. It’s simply not as easy as you’re making it out to be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Which will cost more taxpayer money. Funding for most of these places is pretty limited as it is I would think. You ok with more taxes? I don’t disagree with your basic sentiments on this subject, but they’re a bit too simplistic. It’s simply not as easy as you’re making it out to be. Yes, I'm okay with more taxes to fix our utterly fucked prison system. Among Western nations, we imprison the highest percentage of our population. That is not acceptable to me. We waged the war on drugs. We lost. Time to cut our losses and quit fighting it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:26:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I'm okay with more taxes to fix our utterly fucked prison system. Among Western nations, we imprison the highest percentage of our population. That is not acceptable to me. We waged the war on drugs. We lost. Time to cut our losses and quit fighting it. I’d be ok with more taxes if it fixes the problem too. IF. But a lot of people wouldn’t. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 1:58:54 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wes says you put in the work, even in solitary. Gotta keep programming….get them burpees in! |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:03:36 PM EDT
[#35]
They get name brand Prescriptions in California.
Meanwhile I can't get my Brilinta because I can't afford it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:05:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that, as one poster who seems to know what he's talking about said, you're one mistake away from ending up in prison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like a pretty good reason not to be a shitbag and go to jail. Except that, as one poster who seems to know what he's talking about said, you're one mistake away from ending up in prison. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 2:06:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that, as one poster who seems to know what he's talking about said, you're one mistake away from ending up in prison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like a pretty good reason not to be a shitbag and go to jail. Except that, as one poster who seems to know what he's talking about said, you're one mistake away from ending up in prison. Nobody in prison made just one mistake, anyone with an investigative background can tell you that. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:06:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody in prison made just one mistake, anyone with an investigative background can tell you that. Guyger, Potter, Chauvin, and the 1/6 folks might disagree. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:13:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Commissary is usually limited in SHU/SEG/Isolation....one thing worth bearing in mind....If a honey bun will shut an inmate up and make a difference between them flooding their cell or gassing an officer or anything else....I have no issue with the inmate purchasing a damn honey bun...It's not like they're supplied to the inmate free of charge |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 3:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, someone on the outside had to put the work in robbing or murdering someone, burgling, selling some drugs or stolen property, stealing from their part time employer, and/or collecting free government money to put money or credits in their account. No free lunches in prison, friends! I can’t say you’re wrong |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:11:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:15:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:21:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:24:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:26:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryYou're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. I know some "Muh Justice" folks don't care to hear it, but the vast majority of inmates aren't considerably different than the vast majority of folks on the outside. Locking folks down for the entirety of their stay, offering no social interaction, no substance abuse treatment programs, no mental health treatment is far worse for society than the alternative. Maybe, just maybe, we have too many folks going to prison in the first place...and once they are a felon, there is little likelihood of a successful adult life. The system perpetuates the system. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:28:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know some "Muh Justice" folks don't care to hear it, but the vast majority of inmates aren't considerably different than the vast majority of folks on the outside. Locking folks down for the entirety of their stay, offering no social interaction, no substance abuse treatment programs, no mental health treatment is far worse for society than the alternative. Maybe, just maybe, we have too many folks going to prison in the first place...and once they are a felon, there is little likelihood of a successful adult life. The system perpetuates the system. Quote HistoryQuoted: You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. I know some "Muh Justice" folks don't care to hear it, but the vast majority of inmates aren't considerably different than the vast majority of folks on the outside. Locking folks down for the entirety of their stay, offering no social interaction, no substance abuse treatment programs, no mental health treatment is far worse for society than the alternative. Maybe, just maybe, we have too many folks going to prison in the first place...and once they are a felon, there is little likelihood of a successful adult life. The system perpetuates the system. I've been saying we imprison too many people this whole time. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:28:08 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? How is this even relevant in your mind ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:30:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this even relevant in your mind ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? How is this even relevant in your mind ? It's not. I don't care what it costs. You're the one who keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to remove the prisoner labor from the system. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:33:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not. I don't care what it costs. You're the one who keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to remove the prisoner labor from the system. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? How is this even relevant in your mind ? It's not. I don't care what it costs. You're the one who keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to remove the prisoner labor from the system. You're the one who said every prisoner should be kept in ad seg, yet that's not the way prison works and you have no concept of what you speak. |
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Posted: 1/2/2022 4:35:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the one who said every prisoner should be kept in ad seg, yet that's not the way prison works and you have no concept of what you speak. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think what's more fucked is that one quarter of the world's prisoners are in the US. You start looking at lists of nations sorted by incarceration rates and we're in some pretty unfavorable company. Quoted: Yep. I don't understand why we permit blatant gang activity to take place inside prisons. The doors close, and a slot opens three times a day for bland, nutritious food. Your sentence is up, you get walked to the gates. Why is it more complicated than that? your first statement answered your question....Do you have any idea what it would take for the entire inmate population to be locked down 24/7? I do, because it happened at the beginning of this covid bullshit.....hand feeding inmates at their doors for every meal...extra staff to bag meals since the inmates that cook can't come out...and that's just one simple issue....the funding and staff just doesn't exist for anything resembling that....and then there's the politicians, lawyers, and judges By all means, educate me. As far as I can tell you'd only need a fraction of the guards if all prisoners are behind bars at all times. You're telling me that reassigning some of the guards to be meal cart operators would be a bridge too far? You have any idea of the workforce needed to cook 8000 meals a day ? Why would more meals need to be cooked? Do they not get 3 meals a day as it stands now? They are getting 3 a day because the inmates are not locked down and doing the food prep. If they were kept in lockdown as you think they should be that's 8000 meals that won't be cooking themselves. Understand now ? Fine, hire more cooks. You're acting like this is some insurmountable barrier. Do you have a couple million in the budget for that or do you use labor you're already paying for ? You're saying a couple million is all that stands in the way between rampant gang activity inside prisons and locking down prisoners entirely? Yeah, I think I can find a couple million to make that work. The majority of the working inmates are not your problem children. You can't see the cornstalk for the cornfield. Bust out the numbers then. What would it cost, per inmate, to replace his labor with minimum wage outside employment? You keep talking as if this prisoner labor is such a strategic resource. In that case, why not imprison even more people, for even more free labor? How is this even relevant in your mind ? It's not. I don't care what it costs. You're the one who keeps bringing up how expensive it would be to remove the prisoner labor from the system. You're the one who said every prisoner should be kept in ad seg, yet that's not the way prison works and you have no concept of what you speak. Bust out the numbers, man. Or just keep insulting me. I don't really care either way. |
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