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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Calvary Arms and their plastic lowers. They’re still around at least I think it’s the same company. A buddy of mine just built a couple of guns on the plastic lowers. Remember the glow in the dark receivers they’d release a couple of times a year back in the day? |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:54:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never seen one by Oly, but a local shop just DID have one of the old cast DPMS guns in. Talk about UGLY! Glad they sold it before I decided I needed that abomination. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the truth. Remember when the choice of optics were aimpoint or acog. Then eotech came along. If you didn’t want to spend big money on one of them the alternatives were pretty much trash. There weren’t a lot of mid tier choices out there. I can remember going to a range and people were kind of wow’d by my AR. Was it Olympic that made the cast ARs? I remember a buddy of mine buying one of them and making fun of him for it. Never seen one by Oly, but a local shop just DID have one of the old cast DPMS guns in. Talk about UGLY! Glad they sold it before I decided I needed that abomination. Maybe it was DPMS. That was a long time ago. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 11:59:33 PM EDT
[#3]
Ameetec. Lol.
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:00:16 AM EDT
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Oooh, I remembered an oldie. Sendra corp. the only one I’ve seen in person was a transferable MG owned by a forum member here. Nicest guy you’d ever want to meet. He was at a local machine gun shoot. I was drooling over it and he tossed it to me and told me to have fun. I had it for most of the day burning through ammo.
@Snake-in-the-Grass I hope you’re doing well! |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:04:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can only assume you have never used Lancer magazines. Magpul is my third or fourth choice for AR mags. I have lots of Lancers. Go look at the DoD testing if you think they are better than Pmags. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have lots of Lancers. Go look at the DoD testing if you think they are better than Pmags. I base that on personal use. I really do not give a shit what the government has to say on any subject. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 12:25:50 AM EDT
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For those who were discussing the demise of Sabre Defence, it was export shenanigans which got them in the trouble which killed them, but that wasn't the beginning of their demise. They'd been having problems paying vendors for years. I worked at a Nashville gun shop for a few years and remember talking to a Sabre machinist who'd come in from time to time. Apparently, they frequently failed to pay repair bills when their machinery broke down. The export issue was them getting caught shipping guns to England in false bottoms of shipping crates without completing the proper export paperwork.
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Posted: 11/12/2023 3:01:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know what their contract numbers were during the Cold War, but the 416 is sitting around 400k for total orders. Around 8 million G3s are said to have been produced. I don't know how many of those were actually made by H&K in total, but even during its initial decade H&K was said to have produced 500K rifles vs 400K rifles over nearly twice that length of time for the 416. |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 4:09:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ameetec. Lol. Got a couple of their lowers. No problem |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 5:11:36 PM EDT
[#10]
Vltor
Tango down Ggg |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 8:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I base that on personal use. I really do not give a shit what the government has to say on any subject. Cool. Doesn't change the data. |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:00:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe it was DPMS. That was a long time ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is the truth. Remember when the choice of optics were aimpoint or acog. Then eotech came along. If you didn't want to spend big money on one of them the alternatives were pretty much trash. There weren't a lot of mid tier choices out there. I can remember going to a range and people were kind of wow'd by my AR. Was it Olympic that made the cast ARs? I remember a buddy of mine buying one of them and making fun of him for it. Never seen one by Oly, but a local shop just DID have one of the old cast DPMS guns in. Talk about UGLY! Glad they sold it before I decided I needed that abomination. Maybe it was DPMS. That was a long time ago. Had a customer use one as his bump stock gun and it eventually crumbled apart LOL |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 10:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was probably a early Olympic plinker . Had a customer use one as his bump stock gun and it eventually crumbled apart LOL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is the truth. Remember when the choice of optics were aimpoint or acog. Then eotech came along. If you didn't want to spend big money on one of them the alternatives were pretty much trash. There weren't a lot of mid tier choices out there. I can remember going to a range and people were kind of wow'd by my AR. Was it Olympic that made the cast ARs? I remember a buddy of mine buying one of them and making fun of him for it. Never seen one by Oly, but a local shop just DID have one of the old cast DPMS guns in. Talk about UGLY! Glad they sold it before I decided I needed that abomination. Maybe it was DPMS. That was a long time ago. Had a customer use one as his bump stock gun and it eventually crumbled apart LOL Hahahaha. Would suck for your ar receiver to crumble. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 7:08:15 AM EDT
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Wiselite was making some cool semi versions of autos guns, then went just gave up the ghost. Their Sterling sub machine gun Semi-clone Pistol in 7.62x25mm was a fun little gun.
Tapco didn't make guns but made enough parts its sad to see them gone. Bubba must be heart broken with only Uncle Mike & UTG parts left to work with. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:39:38 AM EDT
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Rock River: The first brand to disband the ABC’s. The only brand that ignored the list and never stepped up to tested barrels and bolts or 4150 barrels.
Larue: Drama and controversy are Larue’s best sellers now. There was a time your rifle wasn’t shit if it didn’t have Larue on it. Now loyalty of old people is their only saving grace. Armalite: At the end of the ABC era they were still popular, but went hostile here on the forums over the AR10. They bet on the ban coming back. It didn’t and suddenly their entire business model was gone. Magpul: Minus the PMAG, they have become a little bit of a disappointment. Almost every rifle posted here used to have Magpul on it. The market just caught up to them and they’re now a lifestyle company more than a firearm innovation company. Remington: Lore kept them in the spotlight. Turns out the 700 is just okay and the 870 ejector is such a terrible design that any slack in quality shows its weakness fast. Freedom Group did them in but Remington lost their steam in the 80’s. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:46:00 AM EDT
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BCM
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:53:59 AM EDT
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Of course the elephant in the room is that we haven't mentioned the most important couple of manufacturers of anything, ever.
EraThr33333. Intacto Arms. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Magpul i want a china doll lower so bad but not bad enough to pay thousands for one |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:56:50 AM EDT
[#19]
Bushmaster
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:58:14 AM EDT
[#20]
ABC and D
Armarlite Bushmaster Cold DMPS |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 8:58:31 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Colt is still putting out great revolvers, 1911s, and ARs Yup. Bushmaster faded and apparently even Windham Weaponry is gone or transitioning to something else. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:03:05 AM EDT
[#22]
Hesse.
 Apparently selling crapy out-of-spec lowers, non-functional and inaccurate rifles, with rotten customer service wasn't a winning plan. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:10:54 AM EDT
[#23]
STI. The once made decent entry level competition gun and good 1911s. Then the tried to make higher end competition gun, but they lost all the quality they once had. But they were still a gun company that stuck up for gun owners and even wouldn't sell to governments if the gun was banned by that gov. But then they got purchased, marketed to the tacti-timmay market. They are now a lifestyle product marketed to LEO cock gobblers.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:11:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Red Jacket Firearms neva been dun befo |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:16:15 AM EDT
[#25]
Todd Bailey and his myriad companies. Or, is he still around?
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:16:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Del-Ton They were my PSA equivalent go to for a while. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:16:52 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We'll see in ten years. Colt made most of their money off government contracts, like Glock. Then other companies started making the same guns, but better, or cheaper, or more capable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock is the obvious one. We'll see in ten years. Colt made most of their money off government contracts, like Glock. Then other companies started making the same guns, but better, or cheaper, or more capable. Is that last paragraph about Colt or Glock? Because I think it could be either one. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:17:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Charter Arms used to make a great 44 special. Kahr AMT |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:20:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Bushmaster
Colt Remington Tapco Winchester I’d say Smith & Wesson is getting there, in ways. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:21:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Noveske The most innovation they have done lately is a water gun. Not kidding. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: STI. The once made decent entry level competition gun and good 1911s. Then the tried to make higher end competition gun, but they lost all the quality they once had. But they were still a gun company that stuck up for gun owners and even wouldn't sell to governments if the gun was banned by that gov. But then they got purchased, marketed to the tacti-timmay market. They are now a lifestyle product marketed to LEO cock gobblers. "Staccato" has got to be one of the most annoying words the "tactical" community has latched onto in a long time. I couldn't imagine trying to CCW a 2011 if you have a healthy BMI. People are funny. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:25:36 AM EDT
[#32]
My entry is SOLGW.
Great assemblers with a great marketing team. Barely hear them mentioned anymore. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:32:21 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space gun was an XP-100 in the 60s.  No, actually the real Space Gun Model was made by Ljutic. Tony  |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:33:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Chaytac, hottest sniper/anti material rifle in the world then crickets.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:55:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: JJE is PSA. JJE is the parent company of PSA, they also own 15 other companies that sell through PSA |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:23:28 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hesse. Apparently selling crapy out-of-spec lowers, non-functional and inaccurate rifles, with rotten customer service wasn't a winning plan. The injection molded lowers were pitiful and anyone that bought one earned ridicule. "Carbon fiber"! No, they're nylon, maybe with chopped fibers and lamp black. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:27:44 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chaytac, hottest sniper/anti material rifle in the world then crickets. Entered the market with extravagant pricing and tightly held proprietary cartridges before long range shooting took off. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:33:40 AM EDT
[#38]
That guy’s name was Nesard., Sendra was an anagram of his name.
Tony at Tony’s Custom Uppers (formerly Sun Valley Traders) was a relative of Nesard. IIRC, Tony was married to Nesard’s daughter. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 10:47:44 AM EDT
[#39]
GODDAMN is there any companies at all worth a shit today? Looks like everything has been listed already.
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:10:46 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember back around 1999 when Kahr pistols were a very big deal in the concealed-carry market. I still carry a CM9 daily |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:31:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That guy’s name was Nesard., Sendra was an anagram of his name. Tony at Tony’s Custom Uppers (formerly Sun Valley Traders) was a relative of Nesard. IIRC, Tony was married to Nesard’s daughter. His name was Gerald Drasen, and the company names were anagrams of his last name (I don't think Sendra is involved). Mr Drasen' trial records make amusing reading. The big parts company he ran, Nesard Inc (from whom I bought my first kit in like 1985) was split into Model One Sales and M&A Parts, if I remember right, run by his kids. Some of his parts were apparently acquired by dumpster diving behind an armory somewhere, the barrel I got in my kit had a gas port nine drill sizes too big-- hope the clown who stole it has fun trying to make it work. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:17:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: His name was Gerald Drasen, and the company names were anagrams of his last name (I don't think Sendra is involved). Mr Drasen' trial records make amusing reading. The big parts company he ran, Nesard Inc (from whom I bought my first kit in like 1985) was split into Model One Sales and M&A Parts, if I remember right, run by his kids. Some of his parts were apparently acquired by dumpster diving behind an armory somewhere, the barrel I got in my kit had a gas port nine drill sizes too big-- hope the clown who stole it has fun trying to make it work. Ahh. You are right. I have my anagrams mixed up. Old age I guess. But he was invoked in both Nesard and Sendra. I think one was post conviction with a relative as the “owner”. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Japanese. Miroku makes Winchester and some Browning shotguns. And they are actually very well made firearms. I do agree It is unfortunate that they aren’t made in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “Winchester” is just a trademarked name that is whored out by Olin Corp. to whomever wants to market guns or Chinese junk under that prestigious name. Japanese. Miroku makes Winchester and some Browning shotguns. And they are actually very well made firearms. I do agree It is unfortunate that they aren’t made in the US. I hate that Miroku is arguably making better Winchesters than Winchester ever did. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:56:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Anvil Arms out of Florida. They were making high quality lowers at a great price. I remember some people buying them by the dozens. Don't remember about their full builds and uppers. My wife's AR is built on an Anvil lower.
I wonder how they would have faired if the owner hadn't been busted. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:59:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Noveske The most innovation they have done lately is a water gun. Not kidding. They have the gay market locked down though |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 4:49:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: STI. The once made decent entry level competition gun and good 1911s. Then the tried to make higher end competition gun, but they lost all the quality they once had. But they were still a gun company that stuck up for gun owners and even wouldn't sell to governments if the gun was banned by that gov. But then they got purchased, marketed to the tacti-timmay market. They are now a lifestyle product marketed to LEO cock gobblers. Staccato is more relevant now than they ever have been. They are the go-to for a well-built base 2011 that will run out of the box. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 5:03:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I still carry a CM9 daily Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I remember back around 1999 when Kahr pistols were a very big deal in the concealed-carry market. I still carry a CM9 daily I just remember when Kahr pistols were one of the most discussed and recommended options. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:30:20 AM EDT
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Strike Industries - if they could have actually stocked their parts in the colors, so you weren't having to buy just 1 part every 2-4 months, they might have sold a few more sets worth. They were always out of stock of everything other than black,when they had that. Their Blue and Red were a nice color but it was hard as hell to get parts from them to complete a build.
Kimel aka AA.A.Arms Mint Hill NC makers of the AP-9 (a TEC-9 clone) had a fun gun but their polymer lowers started cracking at rear from the blow back action. With that being the serialized item opened up problems with just swapping them out with their customers. For a while after they were gone, Dealers like I.O and Classic Arms and others were were swapping around the 500+ frames they had for the serialized lowers of these guns for sale for anyone who needed one. Hoping someone would buy a bunch and have tube gun building fun. They were absurd at 1 frame for close to $25-$50 but if buying 100 the price dropped to less that $10-$15 a piece and at 500 prices it was below $5 a piece for the complete lower.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:06:53 AM EDT
[#49]
Charles Daly.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:13:46 AM EDT
[#50]
VTAC
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