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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:22:59 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:26:38 PM EST
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Which is what? Hold less and haul less but look cooler in the crossfit parking lot while you do your kips in a straight brimmed hat and ed hardy shirt and rub coco butter on your spotters tribal tat in between high fiving each other every time a new nickelback song comes on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Yeah, for the asking price you can get a loaded half ton or a nicely optioned 3/4 or 1 ton Diesel. Makes zero sense at that price point... It needs to be 10-15k cheaper. The Gladiator will fit in places a 3/4 ton or 1 ton will not, and it will do it while handily solving some of the cargo issues that plague the JL and JLU. The increase in price over the smaller jeeps is best viewed in the context of the cost of fitting them with a real roof rack and related cargo stuff. Having a bed, even a small one, is great for stuff that gets dirty and stays dirty, fuel cans, etc. Not everyone lives where it's flat as far as the eye can see. Also, not everyone lives in places where offroading consists of just wallowing around in mud puddles. Some of you guys need to fucking get out and travel more. Quoted:
That's the catch 22, at least in my brain. I couldn't spend money on a brand new Rubicon to then beat it up offroad. Waiting for it to go out of warranty wouldn't use it to its fullest capability. So if I was going to buy new i'd rather buy a lower(ish) model Wrangler and just put the parts I want to match exactly what I intend to do with it. Or i'll just buy use and do the same then not feel bad about beating it up off-road. My truck had offroad pin-stripes at less than 900 miles, and got a new suspension and offroad bumpers with 40k miles still on the warranty. Dealer gave zero fucks about the suspension when it came time to replace a bunch of driveline and axle components under warranty. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:27:39 PM EST
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$45,500 on the lot with $2k auto, $995 cold weather pkg, $1295 Alpine Stereo. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96468/C5FAFE2F-3CC0-43A2-B28B-CF3414B2FC20-1007503.jpg |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:30:18 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:31:12 PM EST
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Ok... This thing looks pretty cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it's a cool vehicle. But I'm not super into cars. I do really like this concept variation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108584/gladWithrack-1005776.jpg |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:33:16 PM EST
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What is a cold weather package? Can these not operate in the north without it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$45,500 on the lot with $2k auto, $995 cold weather pkg, $1295 Alpine Stereo. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/96468/C5FAFE2F-3CC0-43A2-B28B-CF3414B2FC20-1007503.jpg Heated mirrors are pretty damn nice when you live in places that get ice and freezing rain. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:40:01 PM EST
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The Ram Dakota looks like its coming next year and may be based on the Gladiator platform. Price will probably be lower.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 12:50:11 PM EST
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The Ram Dakota looks like its coming next year and may be based on the Gladiator platform. Price will probably be lower. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:01:18 PM EST
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You can get a 360 camera on the F150 Lariat. ZF 10 speed is standard across the entire F150 line except for the base 3.3l V6 on the XL work trim. There's a billion aftermarket winches to choose from. That's just one truck off the top of my head. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:02:23 PM EST
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I have seen exactly 1 on the road, knew they would flop when I saw them. They are just hideous and at their price there is a better option everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:05:20 PM EST
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I like them, but I like old school type 4x4s and it's the closest thing brand new to my old j10, I really want the blue 2 door prototype though As far as base crew cab 4x4 msrp pricing: Crew cab 4x4 tacoma v6 ~32k Crew cab 4x4 ranger no v6- ~31k Crew cab 4x4 Colorado v6 ~32k Crew cab 4x4 frontier v6 ~29k Crew cab 4x4 gladiator v6 ~ 33k Mid size 4x4 trucks are expensive |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:06:58 PM EST
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$40K Jeep LOL.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:31:52 PM EST
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I pointed out that the automatic is a $2k option for the sake of transparency as it relates to cost . So, yes absolutely all you have to do is discount all of the features that entail a Gladiator Rubicon (or any Jeep Rubicon for that matter) as meaningless fluff that nobody uses so they should be free, and suddenly your nonsense about "roughly comparable" makes perfect sense, LOL. You need to check your CO monitor , I think the batteries have died. So again, for the sake of clarity, tell me what half ton pick up there is on the market with the features/capabilities of a Gladiator Rubicon for $10k less money? No more dancing around the subject, which trucks are they? Showroom stock. I'll help you out, because I shopped like a motherfucker for one, because I really really really want and can use more towing ability for what is a very specific purpose. It doesn't exist. The closest thing is a Raptor and it is $10k more money, and is a much bigger truck with a dismal approach and departure angle, and no better break over angle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the poor people in here complaining about the price is entertaining. The Gladiator might be the coolest thing Chrysler has made in my lifetime, but if I was going to spend my actual money on a FCA lot for some reason, I'd get the 5th gen Ram 1500. That said, the Gladiator is intended to be low volume high margin vehicle. Or by "roughly comparable" do you mean 4 wheels and 4 doors? LOL, the only thing even remotely close capability wise is a ZR2 Bison, which tows less (despite muh deezil), has none of the removable features, and the visiblity from them absolutely sucks, and there is much less than a $10k spread there . Compare the other three trims of the Gladiator to half tons, and you still have a much more expensive vehicle that pretty much only gets you removable panels. That's not even getting into the Gladiator's modest power... You can't GET that on any half ton truck at any price much less for $10k less money. You're talking out of your ass. Like it, don't like it, Gladiator is unique in the market and has no competitors that offer the features that it has. Will people USE those features? Doesn't matter, they're still there. The average ARFCOM Marvin Mulchhauler is probably better served with a Tacoma or a Ridgeline, but there is a market for what the Gladiator offers and today nobody even comes close. What options/features people will actually use is entirely relevant. Only a very small minority of these vehicles will go anywhere where things like the sway bar disconnects and lockers will be useful. For the overwhelming majority of people who do/will own these things, they're just buying a pickup truck with a fun shape, bright colors, and removable panels, and they will only really be driven in places any other 4x4 pickup can go. I've said multiple times the Gladiator is the coolest thing Chrysler has produced in my lifetime, but when you look at the pricing of it and compare that to the discounts and incentives on Big 3 half tons, the value just isn't there. So, yes absolutely all you have to do is discount all of the features that entail a Gladiator Rubicon (or any Jeep Rubicon for that matter) as meaningless fluff that nobody uses so they should be free, and suddenly your nonsense about "roughly comparable" makes perfect sense, LOL. You need to check your CO monitor , I think the batteries have died. So again, for the sake of clarity, tell me what half ton pick up there is on the market with the features/capabilities of a Gladiator Rubicon for $10k less money? No more dancing around the subject, which trucks are they? Showroom stock. I'll help you out, because I shopped like a motherfucker for one, because I really really really want and can use more towing ability for what is a very specific purpose. It doesn't exist. The closest thing is a Raptor and it is $10k more money, and is a much bigger truck with a dismal approach and departure angle, and no better break over angle. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:33:06 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:34:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’d actually be pretty cool. Full size body on frame Jeep SUV with the 5.7 hemi in it. There are rumors about a 5.7 or 6.4 JL too. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:34:43 PM EST
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$40K Jeep LOL. I see plenty sitting on dealer lots, have yet to see one on the road... A lot. 7 days a week a lot.  Attached FileLinks to jeeps not selling that are MSRP? |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:37:28 PM EST
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Looking at it I can’t see any reason to select that over the Ranger or Colorado. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Ram Dakota looks like its coming next year and may be based on the Gladiator platform. Price will probably be lower. I think Ford screwed up the Ranger from the B-pillar back. The drivetrain and the platform seem good, but not allowing the back seat to split fold is a mistake, and only offering the crew cab with the short bed eliminates potential customers that can get that from GM and Toyota. The Colorado is getting old, and GM has been doing horrible things with their trucks, so I wouldn't hold much hope for the next generation of that model. Also, the lemon 8 speed transmissions don't help, either. I won't say they're going to get it right, but Ram absolutely has a market opportunity with the Dakota. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:39:50 PM EST
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You can get a 360 camera on the F150 Lariat. ZF 10 speed is standard across the entire F150 line except for the base 3.3l V6 on the XL work trim. There's a billion aftermarket winches to choose from. That's just one truck off the top of my head. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 1:47:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the one specifying Rubicons here. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 2:08:55 PM EST
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$40K Jeep LOL. I see plenty sitting on dealer lots, have yet to see one on the road... |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 4:09:32 PM EST
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If we use the half tons as a point of reference, the Ram Dakota will be a nicer vehicle than the Ranger or Colorado, and FCA can probably beat those models on price. I think Ford screwed up the Ranger from the B-pillar back. The drivetrain and the platform seem good, but not allowing the back seat to split fold is a mistake, and only offering the crew cab with the short bed eliminates potential customers that can get that from GM and Toyota. The Colorado is getting old, and GM has been doing horrible things with their trucks, so I wouldn't hold much hope for the next generation of that model. Also, the lemon 8 speed transmissions don't help, either. I won't say they're going to get it right, but Ram absolutely has a market opportunity with the Dakota. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Ram Dakota looks like its coming next year and may be based on the Gladiator platform. Price will probably be lower. I think Ford screwed up the Ranger from the B-pillar back. The drivetrain and the platform seem good, but not allowing the back seat to split fold is a mistake, and only offering the crew cab with the short bed eliminates potential customers that can get that from GM and Toyota. The Colorado is getting old, and GM has been doing horrible things with their trucks, so I wouldn't hold much hope for the next generation of that model. Also, the lemon 8 speed transmissions don't help, either. I won't say they're going to get it right, but Ram absolutely has a market opportunity with the Dakota. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 5:28:23 PM EST
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The more I look at the gladiator, the more it looks like a GI humvee in styling.
I really hope to see some of these aftermarket concepts become a thing. There are some cool concept covers for it. Tops! Canopy / covers / toppers / racks possibilities for Gladiator - Show me! |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 5:39:54 PM EST
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You're the one specifying Rubicons here. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the poor people in here complaining about the price is entertaining. The Gladiator might be the coolest thing Chrysler has made in my lifetime, but if I was going to spend my actual money on a FCA lot for some reason, I'd get the 5th gen Ram 1500. That said, the Gladiator is intended to be low volume high margin vehicle. Or by "roughly comparable" do you mean 4 wheels and 4 doors? LOL, the only thing even remotely close capability wise is a ZR2 Bison, which tows less (despite muh deezil), has none of the removable features, and the visiblity from them absolutely sucks, and there is much less than a $10k spread there . Compare the other three trims of the Gladiator to half tons, and you still have a much more expensive vehicle that pretty much only gets you removable panels. That's not even getting into the Gladiator's modest power... You can't GET that on any half ton truck at any price much less for $10k less money. You're talking out of your ass. Like it, don't like it, Gladiator is unique in the market and has no competitors that offer the features that it has. Will people USE those features? Doesn't matter, they're still there. The average ARFCOM Marvin Mulchhauler is probably better served with a Tacoma or a Ridgeline, but there is a market for what the Gladiator offers and today nobody even comes close. What options/features people will actually use is entirely relevant. Only a very small minority of these vehicles will go anywhere where things like the sway bar disconnects and lockers will be useful. For the overwhelming majority of people who do/will own these things, they're just buying a pickup truck with a fun shape, bright colors, and removable panels, and they will only really be driven in places any other 4x4 pickup can go. I've said multiple times the Gladiator is the coolest thing Chrysler has produced in my lifetime, but when you look at the pricing of it and compare that to the discounts and incentives on Big 3 half tons, the value just isn't there. So, yes absolutely all you have to do is discount all of the features that entail a Gladiator Rubicon (or any Jeep Rubicon for that matter) as meaningless fluff that nobody uses so they should be free, and suddenly your nonsense about "roughly comparable" makes perfect sense, LOL. You need to check your CO monitor , I think the batteries have died. So again, for the sake of clarity, tell me what half ton pick up there is on the market with the features/capabilities of a Gladiator Rubicon for $10k less money? No more dancing around the subject, which trucks are they? Showroom stock. I'll help you out, because I shopped like a motherfucker for one, because I really really really want and can use more towing ability for what is a very specific purpose. It doesn't exist. The closest thing is a Raptor and it is $10k more money, and is a much bigger truck with a dismal approach and departure angle, and no better break over angle. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. SAME THING! LOL, you're either too thick to understand, or refuse to accept that there is no "roughly comparable" vehicle for sale today in the American market. Show me the convertible one. Show me the one with a folding windshield Show me the one with easily detachable doors. Are you going to tell me that 2 of those three features are not VERY commonly used? A Rubicon can be bought for the prices you are quoting for an Overland. Incidentally a Rubicon is only about $3500 more than an Overland. People buy Rubicon whether they are going to actually use it or not because they hold their value much better than lower model Jeeps (which hold their value very well also). |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 5:43:17 PM EST
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I just went through the car lot and looked at the Gladiators.
54 grand to low 60's on the price. Old man yells at cloud on the price tag. 
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Posted: 7/7/2019 5:44:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet they rape every other pickup offroad though. Jeeps may suck at everything else but as soon as they see snow or dirt they work. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:03:18 PM EST
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I'm not attracted to it, but that's just me.
I wouldn't mind having a 2dr Wrangler, but don't care for the stretched 4 dr model. Although they are really popular around here. I would think the Gladiator would be attractive to the same folks who like the 4 dr Wranglers. It's basically that with a small bed in the back. 
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:07:56 PM EST
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4x4, automatic, crew cab SAME THING! LOL, you're either too thick to understand, or refuse to accept that there is no "roughly comparable" vehicle for sale today in the American market. Show me the convertible one. Show me the one with a folding windshield Show me the one with easily detachable doors. Are you going to tell me that 2 of those three features are not VERY commonly used? A Rubicon can be bought for the prices you are quoting for an Overland. Incidentally a Rubicon is only about $3500 more than an Overland. People buy Rubicon whether they are going to actually use it or not because they hold their value much better than lower model Jeeps (which hold their value very well also). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the poor people in here complaining about the price is entertaining. The Gladiator might be the coolest thing Chrysler has made in my lifetime, but if I was going to spend my actual money on a FCA lot for some reason, I'd get the 5th gen Ram 1500. That said, the Gladiator is intended to be low volume high margin vehicle. Or by "roughly comparable" do you mean 4 wheels and 4 doors? LOL, the only thing even remotely close capability wise is a ZR2 Bison, which tows less (despite muh deezil), has none of the removable features, and the visiblity from them absolutely sucks, and there is much less than a $10k spread there . Compare the other three trims of the Gladiator to half tons, and you still have a much more expensive vehicle that pretty much only gets you removable panels. That's not even getting into the Gladiator's modest power... You can't GET that on any half ton truck at any price much less for $10k less money. You're talking out of your ass. Like it, don't like it, Gladiator is unique in the market and has no competitors that offer the features that it has. Will people USE those features? Doesn't matter, they're still there. The average ARFCOM Marvin Mulchhauler is probably better served with a Tacoma or a Ridgeline, but there is a market for what the Gladiator offers and today nobody even comes close. What options/features people will actually use is entirely relevant. Only a very small minority of these vehicles will go anywhere where things like the sway bar disconnects and lockers will be useful. For the overwhelming majority of people who do/will own these things, they're just buying a pickup truck with a fun shape, bright colors, and removable panels, and they will only really be driven in places any other 4x4 pickup can go. I've said multiple times the Gladiator is the coolest thing Chrysler has produced in my lifetime, but when you look at the pricing of it and compare that to the discounts and incentives on Big 3 half tons, the value just isn't there. So, yes absolutely all you have to do is discount all of the features that entail a Gladiator Rubicon (or any Jeep Rubicon for that matter) as meaningless fluff that nobody uses so they should be free, and suddenly your nonsense about "roughly comparable" makes perfect sense, LOL. You need to check your CO monitor , I think the batteries have died. So again, for the sake of clarity, tell me what half ton pick up there is on the market with the features/capabilities of a Gladiator Rubicon for $10k less money? No more dancing around the subject, which trucks are they? Showroom stock. I'll help you out, because I shopped like a motherfucker for one, because I really really really want and can use more towing ability for what is a very specific purpose. It doesn't exist. The closest thing is a Raptor and it is $10k more money, and is a much bigger truck with a dismal approach and departure angle, and no better break over angle. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. SAME THING! LOL, you're either too thick to understand, or refuse to accept that there is no "roughly comparable" vehicle for sale today in the American market. Show me the convertible one. Show me the one with a folding windshield Show me the one with easily detachable doors. Are you going to tell me that 2 of those three features are not VERY commonly used? A Rubicon can be bought for the prices you are quoting for an Overland. Incidentally a Rubicon is only about $3500 more than an Overland. People buy Rubicon whether they are going to actually use it or not because they hold their value much better than lower model Jeeps (which hold their value very well also). The overwhelming majority of JKU/JLU buyers don't give a damn about solid axles or lockers or any of that other stuff. They use them like CUVs, but they want the convertible with the fun shape instead of the grey on grey egg shaped car. To get there, they are adding $5-10k to their purchase price and doubling their fuel bills. The story will be roughly the same with the Gladiator. It's not about the Rubicon hardware. It's the convertible. And to get that convertible, people are going to pay way more for a vehicle that has significantly less space, capacity, and power. Is the Gladiator cool? Very. Is it a good value? Nope. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:14:46 PM EST
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That was a dumb trade in.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:15:27 PM EST
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But on a Toyota you get all of Toyota’s safety sense tech which will cost you thousands on the gladiator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like them, but I like old school type 4x4s and it's the closest thing brand new to my old j10, I really want the blue 2 door prototype though As far as base crew cab 4x4 msrp pricing: Crew cab 4x4 tacoma v6 ~32k Crew cab 4x4 ranger no v6- ~31k Crew cab 4x4 Colorado v6 ~32k Crew cab 4x4 frontier v6 ~29k Crew cab 4x4 gladiator v6 ~ 33k Mid size 4x4 trucks are expensive Why would anyone care about safety sensors stuff if you're driving a vehicle with a removable roof and doors, that's why there are mirrors. On my LJ theres a big sticker that says the roof and doors are only to shelter you from the elements. My biggest issue with the jeep pricing other than I wish it was 10k cheaper, is the auto transmission is a $2000 option on all trims whereas on a Toyota it's like $500 and of course the $1500 destination charge |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:19:06 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 6:27:27 PM EST
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The Ranger's been pretty disappointing IMO. The interior is just not there. Ford usually has decent interiors so I was expecting an all new truck to have something better than what it does. The fit/finish/materials just seemed cheap. Like they just picked off where they left off with the last Ranger. I was looking forward to the Ranger but its just felt whelming to me at best. The Colorado isn't bad but its now the oldest of the three. If the Dakota will have an interior similar to the new Ram they're going to hit a home run regardless of FCA quality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Ram Dakota looks like its coming next year and may be based on the Gladiator platform. Price will probably be lower. I think Ford screwed up the Ranger from the B-pillar back. The drivetrain and the platform seem good, but not allowing the back seat to split fold is a mistake, and only offering the crew cab with the short bed eliminates potential customers that can get that from GM and Toyota. The Colorado is getting old, and GM has been doing horrible things with their trucks, so I wouldn't hold much hope for the next generation of that model. Also, the lemon 8 speed transmissions don't help, either. I won't say they're going to get it right, but Ram absolutely has a market opportunity with the Dakota. Ford's timing and execution so far is... odd. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 7:09:47 PM EST
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That's really what this comes down to. The overwhelming majority of JKU/JLU buyers don't give a damn about solid axles or lockers or any of that other stuff. They use them like CUVs, but they want the convertible with the fun shape instead of the grey on grey egg shaped car. To get there, they are adding $5-10k to their purchase price and doubling their fuel bills. The story will be roughly the same with the Gladiator. It's not about the Rubicon hardware. It's the convertible. And to get that convertible, people are going to pay way more for a vehicle that has significantly less space, capacity, and power. Is the Gladiator cool? Very. Is it a good value? Nope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the poor people in here complaining about the price is entertaining. The Gladiator might be the coolest thing Chrysler has made in my lifetime, but if I was going to spend my actual money on a FCA lot for some reason, I'd get the 5th gen Ram 1500. That said, the Gladiator is intended to be low volume high margin vehicle. Or by "roughly comparable" do you mean 4 wheels and 4 doors? LOL, the only thing even remotely close capability wise is a ZR2 Bison, which tows less (despite muh deezil), has none of the removable features, and the visiblity from them absolutely sucks, and there is much less than a $10k spread there . Compare the other three trims of the Gladiator to half tons, and you still have a much more expensive vehicle that pretty much only gets you removable panels. That's not even getting into the Gladiator's modest power... You can't GET that on any half ton truck at any price much less for $10k less money. You're talking out of your ass. Like it, don't like it, Gladiator is unique in the market and has no competitors that offer the features that it has. Will people USE those features? Doesn't matter, they're still there. The average ARFCOM Marvin Mulchhauler is probably better served with a Tacoma or a Ridgeline, but there is a market for what the Gladiator offers and today nobody even comes close. What options/features people will actually use is entirely relevant. Only a very small minority of these vehicles will go anywhere where things like the sway bar disconnects and lockers will be useful. For the overwhelming majority of people who do/will own these things, they're just buying a pickup truck with a fun shape, bright colors, and removable panels, and they will only really be driven in places any other 4x4 pickup can go. I've said multiple times the Gladiator is the coolest thing Chrysler has produced in my lifetime, but when you look at the pricing of it and compare that to the discounts and incentives on Big 3 half tons, the value just isn't there. So, yes absolutely all you have to do is discount all of the features that entail a Gladiator Rubicon (or any Jeep Rubicon for that matter) as meaningless fluff that nobody uses so they should be free, and suddenly your nonsense about "roughly comparable" makes perfect sense, LOL. You need to check your CO monitor , I think the batteries have died. So again, for the sake of clarity, tell me what half ton pick up there is on the market with the features/capabilities of a Gladiator Rubicon for $10k less money? No more dancing around the subject, which trucks are they? Showroom stock. I'll help you out, because I shopped like a motherfucker for one, because I really really really want and can use more towing ability for what is a very specific purpose. It doesn't exist. The closest thing is a Raptor and it is $10k more money, and is a much bigger truck with a dismal approach and departure angle, and no better break over angle. You're talking about a specific configuration that will only be bought and used as designed by a very small percentage of overall Gladiator owners. I'm talking about the full model line. The Gladiator Sport, Sport S, and Overland don't have the offroad features you're screeching about. Here is an Autotrader search for the DFW area. I queried for Gladiators and Ram 1500s, and I checked the boxes for 4x4, crew cab, and automatic transmission: Autotrader Link The majority of the Sport and Sport S Gladiators have asking prices in the mid $40k range, and the Overlands are mostly over $50k. With the Ram 1500, there are a bunch of options well under $40k, and by the time you get into the mid-40s, there are Laramies and Rebels that are much better equipped than the similarly priced Gladiator Sports. The Rubicon is a great option for the 5% or so of Gladiator owners that will actually take it through challenging terrain. For everyone else who buys one, it might be cool, but it's not a good value. SAME THING! LOL, you're either too thick to understand, or refuse to accept that there is no "roughly comparable" vehicle for sale today in the American market. Show me the convertible one. Show me the one with a folding windshield Show me the one with easily detachable doors. Are you going to tell me that 2 of those three features are not VERY commonly used? A Rubicon can be bought for the prices you are quoting for an Overland. Incidentally a Rubicon is only about $3500 more than an Overland. People buy Rubicon whether they are going to actually use it or not because they hold their value much better than lower model Jeeps (which hold their value very well also). The overwhelming majority of JKU/JLU buyers don't give a damn about solid axles or lockers or any of that other stuff. They use them like CUVs, but they want the convertible with the fun shape instead of the grey on grey egg shaped car. To get there, they are adding $5-10k to their purchase price and doubling their fuel bills. The story will be roughly the same with the Gladiator. It's not about the Rubicon hardware. It's the convertible. And to get that convertible, people are going to pay way more for a vehicle that has significantly less space, capacity, and power. Is the Gladiator cool? Very. Is it a good value? Nope. Of course you aren't , it doesn't exist, but instead of saying that, you just keep changing direction and dodging the fact that there is nothing else on the American market with the feature set that the Gladiator has. When a product has no competition, the price is ALWAYS higher and there will always be people seeking that exclusivity whether on the new or used market. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 7:36:45 PM EST
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Is it a great value? Who freaking cares? Schlubs like me will get one and and use it ‘til the wheels fall off.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:01:00 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:09:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're selling. A lot. 7 days a week a lot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/274692/97CBB58C-29BF-4AE2-BB19-9294983D2C0F_jpeg-1007676.JPG Links to jeeps not selling that are MSRP? https://www.smithhavenchryslerjeepdodge.net/new-inventory/index.htm?search=&saveFacetState=true&make=Jeep&model=Gladiator&lastFacetInteracted=inventory-listing1-facet-anchor-model-2 |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:19:11 PM EST
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They are cool, but it's hard to justify the price of the Rubicon when you can get a ZR2 Colorado Diesel for 40k.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:20:53 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:47:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does the tacoma still have drum brakes? Why would anyone care about safety sensors stuff if you're driving a vehicle with a removable roof and doors, that's why there are mirrors. On my LJ theres a big sticker that says the roof and doors are only to shelter you from the elements. My biggest issue with the jeep pricing other than I wish it was 10k cheaper, is the auto transmission is a $2000 option on all trims whereas on a Toyota it's like $500 and of course the $1500 destination charge |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 8:55:08 PM EST
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I'll just be poor with my old shitbox. $3500 from the FIL with 72K miles, 2003 model. Window sticker in glove compartment lol
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Posted: 7/7/2019 9:24:01 PM EST
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So far around here it seems as if they’re not moving well. I’ve seen only one on the road and it could’ve just been passing through as it was on the interstate. The three closest dealers to me each have one on the lot that were ordered as dealer stock. 2 overlands and 1 rubicon. They’ve all had them for at least 2 months if not a bit longer. They just don’t seem to be moving.
I think once some of the sport and sport s models start hitting dealer lots they might move a bit more. I am considering one but I am struggling the the price point for what I get vs other trucks. I do have trouble knowing I can get a really nicely equipped f150 xlt with most options for the same price or less that what a sport-s gladiator will cost me. I know your paying a “fun tax” to buy a Jeep Wrangler or Gladiator but struggle when I think about what I’m actually getting for the money. I’ll wait a while. |
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Posted: 7/7/2019 10:11:50 PM EST
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Finally saw a couple up close in the wild. They look good.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 10:26:03 PM EST
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I’ve never understood people’s infatuation with Jeeps, they drive like shit.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 10:35:05 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 10:39:00 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 10:47:42 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 11:03:26 PM EST
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In the past 10 days, I’ve driven almost 2000 miles in Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Didn’t see a single one.
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Posted: 7/7/2019 11:55:30 PM EST
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Posted: 7/7/2019 11:57:59 PM EST
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Posted: 7/8/2019 12:21:08 AM EST
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Posted: 7/8/2019 12:45:51 AM EST
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I'll just be poor with my old shitbox. $3500 from the FIL with 72K miles, 2003 model. Window sticker in glove compartment lol https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/161834/03Ranger__1__jpg-1008168.JPG Those two trucks are the reason I consider Consumer Reports to be a worthless bought and paid for rag not worth wiping one’s ass with. They gave the Ranger of both years poor reliability ratings which was total horseshit. Meanwhile Toyota gets five stars on first year models and issues like Tundras snapping camshafts and Tacoma’s bending in half due to frame rot are overlooked. |
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