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Quoted: So they're nearly identical weight, with just a foot shorter and six inches narrower difference between a full and a mid size truck. Maybe I live in Bizarro world but that's pretty much the same thing. View Quote |
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Quoted: The regular cab short bed F150 is shorter than the modern Ranger. Of course, the F150 is also shorter than an extended cab early 90s Ranger. Step up to an 8 foot bed on the F150 (because the kind of guy who likes a regular cab is all about muh plywood) and the Rangers are shorter again. View Quote |
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I wouldn't want to drive a 2.3L Ranger with the A/C on. I bleed blue, and that motor is an absolute dog. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The problem isn't that no one wants a small truck anymore. The problem is no one wants to pay $30k+ for a small truck. The combination of .gov mandated safety and emissions regulations is the main culprit in the demise of the small truck market. ETA: In high school, I had a 1981 Datsun pickup. Four banger, carbureted, 5 speed. It got 30 to 35 mpg. Is there even a new truck made today that will get 35 mpg? View Quote |
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Average american can't fit in a small truck. Most trucks are purchased to supplement the owners ego. Small trucks dont help low self esteem. View Quote It didn't hold the road well, wake from oncoming traffic disturbed it a lot more than a 1/2 ton. The front seats had to be scooted up way too close to the front to allow passengers to be cramped and uncomfortable in the back seat. I felt like I was driving a truck made for midgets. Has nothing to do with a little dick and/or low self-esteem. |
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The problem isn't that no one wants a small truck anymore. The problem is no one wants to pay $30k+ for a small truck. The combination of .gov mandated safety and emissions regulations is the main culprit in the demise of the small truck market. ETA: In high school, I had a 1981 Datsun pickup. Four banger, carbureted, 5 speed. It got 30 to 35 mpg. Is there even a new truck made today that will get 35 mpg? View Quote |
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Damn. If that thing had A/C, it'd be tits. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The problem isn't that no one wants a small truck anymore. The problem is no one wants to pay $30k+ for a small truck. The combination of .gov mandated safety and emissions regulations is the main culprit in the demise of the small truck market. ETA: In high school, I had a 1981 Datsun pickup. Four banger, carbureted, 5 speed. It got 30 to 35 mpg. Is there even a new truck made today that will get 35 mpg? |
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Quoted: 73-87 Chevy half ton. 6.0 LQ4/LQ9 Perfect truck No nanny state bullshit. Real steel body. Traction, stability control and 87 air bags can be shoved right up the politicians ass that decided we needed those. View Quote |
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Ford fucked up by not offering the 2.7 V6 Ecoboost in the new Ranger.
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The Colorado/Canyon was introduced to the US market in 2004 and was redesigned in 2014. First gen: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/2010_Chevrolet_Colorado_--_NHTSA.jpg/1024px-2010_Chevrolet_Colorado_--_NHTSA.jpg Second gen: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Coloradojf1545.JPG/800px-Coloradojf1545.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: The Colorado has been on the market unchanged since 2014. There are almost 6 years worth of them rolling around. The new Ranger didn't start selling in volume until April 2019. First gen: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/2010_Chevrolet_Colorado_--_NHTSA.jpg/1024px-2010_Chevrolet_Colorado_--_NHTSA.jpg Second gen: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Coloradojf1545.JPG/800px-Coloradojf1545.JPG Second gen looks like someone spilled water all over the plans and the edges bled into some kind of smoothed-over design. Kharn |
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Vehicles keep getting larger and the parking spaces seem to be shrinking. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is no “small” truck sold in the US anymore. The dimensions of the current smaller trucks are pretty much what 1/2 tons were 20 years ago. Small trucks were popular when they had small prices. By the time the Tacoma was created, the price was already matching 1/2 tons. It was a hard sell, and so they became 1/2 tons. |
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I had a 90 Bronco II as a company vehicle and it was great for squeezing into right places.
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Maybe one day they'll combine the utility of a trailer with a vehicle. They can call it (i dunno just spitballin' here)... a truck. Huh, I might be onto something here. Only in a clown world would someone need to buy a trailer to haul stuff with a truck. But in the age of unusable bed height, yes... it's unfortunately needed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly I think the thing that most people miss about the minitruck era was the ability to access the bed without having to climb in it. For people who actually used their truck for hauling (general light homeowner stuff), a simple bed height and width where you can reach in and grab what you need is great to have. No, it won't tow your gooseneck trailer, nor be appropriate for deep swamp bogging, nor be able to haul rail road ties well, nor add inches to your dick... but for the average diy home improvement/garden guy an easily accessible bed is great to have. With my ever-increasing crummy knees, I don't want to climb and rappel like a damn 20 year old ninja to get a bag of compost. Ymmv of course. Only in a clown world would someone need to buy a trailer to haul stuff with a truck. But in the age of unusable bed height, yes... it's unfortunately needed. Now, granted, Germany is not as vehicle friendly as America is...the Autobahn notwithstanding. Driving my Edge in some of the smaller towns can be a little white-knuckling due to the narrowness of the streets and people parking on the side of the street. Some of the parking garages have such low ceilings that I could reach up through my sunroof and touch the ceiling (and that is factory ride height with factory 20" wheels), and the corners are tight enough to require a two or three point turn to get around unless you hit the angle perfectly. Jacked-up brodozers and factory crew cab F250s or Chevy 2500s would simply be undriveable here. |
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My last truck was a 2004 Dakota with the 4.7L V8 and a 5-speed. It was the last year before they screwed it up. Great truck and a ton of fun to drive. So many burnouts so little time. View Quote |
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I saw a regular cab short bed truck a few days ago. Looked like a toy. OTOH I parked my 09 GMC 2500 HD CC LB next to a new, lifted Ford Super Duty 2500.....what a monster. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/1818/78C6DA46-2182-46D9-B9A0-9D4411CDDDAC_jpe-1286384.JPG View Quote Admittedly, regular cabs suck about 1% of the time when needing secure storage or hauling more people, but 99% of the time a regular cab fills my needs. I realize for many other people those percentages are much different. |
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Just saw a commercial for the Ranger. It was advertised at $43-$45 thousand. FUCK THAT. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Yes the almighty NTHSA knows best and will force you to drive in a crappy looking huge bubble with zero visibility. Onward comrade to progress! View Quote Vehicle crash safety isn't even considered when I look at a vehicle, maybe because I spent my youth roaming unrestrained in 60's-80's vehicles or being taken to the baby sitter on the back of my dads motorcycle rather being locked into a 5 point harness surrounded by air bags 24/7. |
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The problem isn't that no one wants a small truck anymore. The problem is no one wants to pay $30k+ for a small truck. The combination of .gov mandated safety and emissions regulations is the main culprit in the demise of the small truck market. View Quote |
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I've never understood the appeal. It's less capable than a half ton and the price difference is marginal at best. Getting less for my money has never been appealing to me though.
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The 2020 Ranger is the size of an early 90s F150. They are not "small trucks". They are quite a bit larger than the third gen Ranger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Full sized F150 gets near 20mpg. Tell me why I'd want a smaller truck. View Quote |
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My 88 Comanche and 99 GMC Sonoma were both good vehicles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Nissan Frontier?
Also, when these trucks are costing 40k most people opt to go to full size for more of everything for the same price. More interior room, more power, larger bed etc |
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I guess if they wanted to the could just make a two door model with a bed, different gearing, suspension, etc. out of the many compact SUV's racing about. Be kind of cost effective too as the bulk of the vehicle R&D would stay intact but less in cost due to the reduced interior anemities.
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Evidently. GM/Chevy even killed the regular cab SWB for 2020. I should have bought it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/10D5A799-EF31-4EB8-92F7-C90B20C794CF_jpe-1286564.JPG View Quote I shit you not. |
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Maybe one day they'll combine the utility of a trailer with a vehicle. They can call it (i dunno just spitballin' here)... a truck. Huh, I might be onto something here. Only in a clown world would someone need to buy a trailer to haul stuff with a truck. But in the age of unusable bed height, yes... it's unfortunately needed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly I think the thing that most people miss about the minitruck era was the ability to access the bed without having to climb in it. For people who actually used their truck for hauling (general light homeowner stuff), a simple bed height and width where you can reach in and grab what you need is great to have. No, it won't tow your gooseneck trailer, nor be appropriate for deep swamp bogging, nor be able to haul rail road ties well, nor add inches to your dick... but for the average diy home improvement/garden guy an easily accessible bed is great to have. With my ever-increasing crummy knees, I don't want to climb and rappel like a damn 20 year old ninja to get a bag of compost. Ymmv of course. Only in a clown world would someone need to buy a trailer to haul stuff with a truck. But in the age of unusable bed height, yes... it's unfortunately needed. |
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Those were $45,000 in medium trim. I shit you not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Evidently. GM/Chevy even killed the regular cab SWB for 2020. I should have bought it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/10D5A799-EF31-4EB8-92F7-C90B20C794CF_jpe-1286564.JPG I shit you not. |
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I have an '11 GMC Canyon. Love that damn truck. Pulls my boat, dirt bikes, quads with no problems. Drives like a sportscar. Extended cab opens to put guns/gear/groceries super easy. I think it has 242HP with the 5 cylinder. New Colorados are definitely bigger. View Quote You need to drive better sports cars. You drive a nice truck though |
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There is no “small” truck sold in the US anymore. The dimensions of the current smaller trucks are pretty much what 1/2 tons were 20 years ago. Small trucks were popular when they had small prices. By the time the Tacoma was created, the price was already matching 1/2 tons. It was a hard sell, and so they became 1/2 tons. View Quote Also, there will never be legitimate small trucks again because of crash ratings. Y'all need to get that through your heads. That era is over. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/300897/download__1___2__jpeg-1286327.JPG I want one in the worst way... View Quote |
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There is no “small” truck sold in the US anymore. The dimensions of the current smaller trucks are pretty much what 1/2 tons were 20 years ago. Small trucks were popular when they had small prices. By the time the Tacoma was created, the price was already matching 1/2 tons. It was a hard sell, and so they became 1/2 tons. View Quote My 2018 Tacoma is every bit as big as my daughters 91 Chevy 1500. There is nothing small about it. |
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Wife really likes this truck. Haven't test driven it yet. I have a F150 regular cab with 8 foot bed. But she wants no part of driving a full size truck.
Is this a decent price? 2020 Colorado |
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This. Also, there will never be legitimate small trucks again because of crash ratings. Y'all need to get that through your heads. That era is over. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is no “small” truck sold in the US anymore. The dimensions of the current smaller trucks are pretty much what 1/2 tons were 20 years ago. Small trucks were popular when they had small prices. By the time the Tacoma was created, the price was already matching 1/2 tons. It was a hard sell, and so they became 1/2 tons. Also, there will never be legitimate small trucks again because of crash ratings. Y'all need to get that through your heads. That era is over. |
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Some people spend most of their driving time getting in accidents it seems by the huge concern over crash testing and safety that always comes up in these discussions. People are much more concerned these days about that stuff which is fine I suppose. Vehicle crash safety isn't even considered when I look at a vehicle, maybe because I spent my youth roaming unrestrained in 60's-80's vehicles or being taken to the baby sitter on the back of my dads motorcycle rather being locked into a 5 point harness surrounded by air bags 24/7. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Yes the almighty NTHSA knows best and will force you to drive in a crappy looking huge bubble with zero visibility. Onward comrade to progress! Vehicle crash safety isn't even considered when I look at a vehicle, maybe because I spent my youth roaming unrestrained in 60's-80's vehicles or being taken to the baby sitter on the back of my dads motorcycle rather being locked into a 5 point harness surrounded by air bags 24/7. If everyone is so concerned about purchasing vehicles with the highest crash ratings, we would all be driving Volvo’s or Mercedes. |
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I am an old fuck, and I too find this fixation on crash ratings amusing. If everyone is so concerned about purchasing vehicles with the highest crash ratings, we would all be driving Volvo’s or Mercedes. View Quote The same logic works with any other risk assessment, such as wether or not to carry a self defense firearm vs never leaving the basement. |
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@Bassgasm and anybody else who was talking about truck sizes.
A couple guys at my old job had mid 90's Chevy full size trucks. A couple more had 2010ish Chevy full size trucks. One guy had a 2nd gen Colorado. I had my 1st gen Canyon. Parking my Canyon next to the newer Colorado the newer Colorado was clearly the bigger vehicle, but overall they were close. Parking my Canyon next to the newer Chevy full sized trucks the FS trucks were clearly the bigger vehicle, and it wasn't even close. Parking my Canyon next to the older FS trucks the FS trucks were clearly the bigger vehicle, but it was close. When the newer Colorado parked next to the older FS trucks that is exactly when it becane very very hard to tell which truck was bigger. Guys can spit out googled dimensions all they want but when you see them next to each other it's very hard to quantify the size difference, and that's coming from somebody who dealt with measuring shit all day long. There was also a guy with a 64 Chevy truck but nobody parked next to him... |
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Vehicle crash safety isn't even considered when I look at a vehicle, maybe because... View Quote |
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Ditto this exactly. My 2018 Tacoma is every bit as big as my daughters 91 Chevy 1500. There is nothing small about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is no “small” truck sold in the US anymore. The dimensions of the current smaller trucks are pretty much what 1/2 tons were 20 years ago. Small trucks were popular when they had small prices. By the time the Tacoma was created, the price was already matching 1/2 tons. It was a hard sell, and so they became 1/2 tons. My 2018 Tacoma is every bit as big as my daughters 91 Chevy 1500. There is nothing small about it. |
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