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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:05:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel like I'm back in high school reading this thread. If that were the case this thing would have a 5.0L engine option. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:05:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manual transmission ? 7 speed with a crawler gear |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:06:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Solid front axle are way over hyped. The IFS let it do 95% of what the wrangler can do and have a better ride, better off road at speed. 99% of the people who buy vehicles to go off roading don't do any significant rock crawling to the point they are limited by the IFS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nothing to cry about, there is lots too like about the bronco, ford did their homework. But no solid axle and no mechanical t case linkage are big let downs imo. People want and expect that rugged mechanical durability from Jeep. Solid front axle are way over hyped. The IFS let it do 95% of what the wrangler can do and have a better ride, better off road at speed. 99% of the people who buy vehicles to go off roading don't do any significant rock crawling to the point they are limited by the IFS. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:07:01 AM EDT
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My 98 TJ was a log ot fun,...but UNRELIABLE  My 88 Suzuki was reliable but dinky  I always wanted an original Toyota FJ  At a glace, I think the new Bronco looks wonderful. 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:11:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was wondering the same thing. Last I installed beadlocks you didn't have an option, no ring=not holding 1psi lol. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148098/A3BEBA25-AEEE-4556-B564-9CB30116204F-1503094.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tj owner. Not Crying, if it had solid axle I would consider a Wildtrak . Guarantee I will NOT see one where I wheel  .Guarantee I WILL see one when I take my girls to town for Ice Cream .  ETA : What the Hell are " Beadlock Capable Wheels " ? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/148098/A3BEBA25-AEEE-4556-B564-9CB30116204F-1503094.png Bead lock capable wheels are being used on Raptors and Jeeps as a way to skirt DOT issues. You can use them as beadlocks or standard mounted. Places like discount tire will not touch a beadlocker. I have them on my JLU.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:20:29 AM EDT
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What does the OP drive?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:23:55 AM EDT
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Ain't got nothing on the Rover owners crying room
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:25:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crying, hell. I drive a TJ, and am at least interested in a new Bronco. If it’s as Spartan as the pics make it look, I’ll probably get one. My exact thoughts as well and I love my TJ but have always been fond of the Bronco |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:25:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No front solid axles no care Omg! My solid front axle! IFS isn’t durable! It’s not tough enough! Can’t handle off road! ... yeah even tractors use ifs now. https://youtu.be/610l4tP7b1U King of the hammers trucks do. Baja trucks do. IFS is literally arfcom. Get both. The ability to off road decently and a good ride. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:29:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yep, gonna stick with my Rubicon. Wife likes these better than 4-runner TRD she’s been wanting. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im with him. Just another rig on ifs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No front solid axles no care Im with him. Just another rig on ifs. This vehicle was built not just for slow crawls but speed on more open terrain. You are not running fast on rough terrain with solid front axles. Death wobble would take you out. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:36:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's complete BS. The pending merger is with PSA (a French company not Chinese). Think Peugeot... Or you could back your fake news up with a real source. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FYI, Chicoms bought a controlling interest in Fiat, and so actually have a controlling interest in FCA. That's complete BS. The pending merger is with PSA (a French company not Chinese). Think Peugeot... Or you could back your fake news up with a real source. With Carlos Tavares at the helm (what he's done with PSA is damn near miraculous) - prolly the best thing for FCA since Marchionne. or GM's continued missteps - but at least this round they didn't hafta pony up $2Bil. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Omg! My solid front axle! IFS isn’t durable! It’s not tough enough! Can’t handle off road! ... yeah even tractors use ifs now. https://youtu.be/610l4tP7b1U King of the hammers trucks do. Baja trucks do. IFS is literally arfcom. Get both. The ability to off road decently and a good ride. KOH/Baja/large trucks/military/etc...are highly modified and/or one-off custom designs designed for the specific application. You can't fairly compare them to a mass-produced production vehicle marketed to soccer moms. My last 4 DD's have been 3/4-1 ton trucks with a SFA, and I won't have it any other way. The strength, simplicity, and the suspension options in the future appeal to me. Oh, and well...:  Attached File Attached File
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:37:14 AM EDT
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I've dove into the 4R world and I'm happy.
Main reason for doing so over a Rubicon JKU is the safety is better than the Wrangler. Front and rear live axles will mean Jeep is King for the future. That said the options Ford is releasing these with is awesome and should put pressure on others for new updates/models. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Im amazed they are going to offer factory 35's with 4.70 gears. Thats pretty amazing. word is Ford performance OEM lift to come to clear 37's, as if it was anticipated... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:39:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stronger simpler parts are way overhyped? No. How about when your trying to go over a rock stuff a tire into the fender on ifs, now your front diff Could be dragging the ground since you lose clearance as it articulated, no thanks. And if ifs was so good why didn't they use it on the Broncos rear axle too? It's ok if you don't like jeeps, it's really ok. But some of us do. And some of us actually use them. The bronco is nice, probably going to sell a lot of them too. But that last "5%" they leave in the table is quite a bit in my book. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nothing to cry about, there is lots too like about the bronco, ford did their homework. But no solid axle and no mechanical t case linkage are big let downs imo. People want and expect that rugged mechanical durability from Jeep. Solid front axle are way over hyped. The IFS let it do 95% of what the wrangler can do and have a better ride, better off road at speed. 99% of the people who buy vehicles to go off roading don't do any significant rock crawling to the point they are limited by the IFS. Stronger simpler parts are way overhyped? No. How about when your trying to go over a rock stuff a tire into the fender on ifs, now your front diff Could be dragging the ground since you lose clearance as it articulated, no thanks. And if ifs was so good why didn't they use it on the Broncos rear axle too? It's ok if you don't like jeeps, it's really ok. But some of us do. And some of us actually use them. The bronco is nice, probably going to sell a lot of them too. But that last "5%" they leave in the table is quite a bit in my book. Pretty fair. Even the G-Class has gone IFS now. But there may be a contender soon.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:43:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My bet on production model... They will neuter it, the off road suspension will be Lowered, made Highway swerve Super safe, there Will be a 19 speed auto that Karen doesn’t have to think about availability of manual Will be only on base engine(which will be a 3 cylinder 1.0 eco boost at 130 Hp/torque) or the top top tier which costs 50k, and has leather , satalite radio, onboard cray computer, and 19 rims, neither axel will be solid Or truly locking, (CAFE). Are you retarded? That WAS the production models in the release video. Ford gave the specs and options. It is official. This isn't some teaser "concept" vehicle anymore (like the 6.4L Hemi Wrangler that Jeep teased us with...that IS a concept vehicle)
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:45:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Make sure you make plenty of the first in girls sizes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Business opportunity: I’m going to market “Bronco Recovery Team” shirts to Wrangler owners and “Rubicon Recovery Team” shirts to Bronco owners. $$$PROFIT$$$ Make sure you make plenty of the first in girls sizes. So true. 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:48:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a jeep owner but still. That thing is a useless piece of shit Explain. Better approach angles then Wrangler. Lower crawl ratio. Front and rear lockers. Disconnecting sway bar. 35s from the factory. Removable doors and top. Available 2.7 with 400 ft lbs or 7 speed manual. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:49:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not just shitposting based on speculation. I really have experienced the constant flow of Ford recall letters. More than any other brand I've dealt with. I get the sense that they aren't really concerned with getting it right the first time. You've never owned a Ram have you? I had a 2016 Ram 3500 for 2 years. I think I received a few letters during that time...  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:53:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were the case this thing would have a 5.0L engine option. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I feel like I'm back in high school reading this thread. If that were the case this thing would have a 5.0L engine option.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:54:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 98 TJ was a log ot fun,...but UNRELIABLE https://i.imgur.com/tT2APEB.jpg My 88 Suzuki was reliable but dinky https://i.imgur.com/nt4ysdl.jpg I always wanted an original Toyota FJ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/1980_Toyota_Land_Cruiser_%28FJ40%29_hardtop_%2826042130985%29.jpg/640px-1980_Toyota_Land_Cruiser_%28FJ40%29_hardtop_%2826042130985%29.jpg At a glace, I think the new Bronco looks wonderful. https://the-drive-3.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F07%2Fbig-bronco-hero-new.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=d6e19666f58c7f33f9ed11dba6539aa8 My 02 TJ never had an issue, owned it for 14 years - 160,000 miles or so before I sold it. Always, always lusted after a Toyota FJ though. Passed on pretty decent deal on one when I still owned my TJ- still kick myself, damn! |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:54:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty fair. Even the G-Class has gone IFS now. But there may be a contender soon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/7E7C677A-54E9-48F9-A012-5BA07924F4B7_jpe-1503237.JPG That’s the new defender thing right? Looks pretty good to me. Stout rugged vehicle for everything but extreme stuff. I really hope it makes it to the USA and is affordable. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 8:57:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty fair. Even the G-Class has gone IFS now. But there may be a contender soon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/7E7C677A-54E9-48F9-A012-5BA07924F4B7_jpe-1503237.JPG details @alacrity |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:04:28 AM EDT
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I'd probably be out less cash in the long run to just SAS the 4R
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:04:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Title says it all, a place for you angry face grill, jeep waving, fiat owners to cry about the new bronco shitting on your beloved mall crawler. Aaaaaaaand go! I don't care for Ford and I don't care for jeep But quite frankly Op, Ford is not going to put a over 700 horsepower v8 In such a thing But it looks like Jeep will @proheromk1 |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:04:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh those Broncos will take a shit alright. About 40 feet from the dealership. So further than a Jeep? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:06:37 AM EDT
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Ford made a better wrangler. It's better than a wrangler in nearly every aspect except (and it's a big one), IFS.
Your move, Jeep. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:14:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain. Better approach angles then Wrangler. Lower crawl ratio. Front and rear lockers. Disconnecting sway bar. 35s from the factory. Removable doors and top. Available 2.7 with 400 ft lbs or 7 speed manual. Better approach? The bronco has the better break over angle but it also has a slightly shorter wheelbase. And the rubicon only has 33” tires.  Better crawl ratio? Only with the manual trans in the bronco, the jeeps auto gets a better crawl ratio than the bronco auto. Disconnecting sway bar? Welcome to 2007 |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:14:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does it have vinyl seats and floors I can wash out with a garden hose? Yes. And marine seats with water resistant dash |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:20:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Manual transmission ? not with an engine thats worth a shit. and everyone is bitching about IFS, lol. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:20:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, Ford Fanboys are excited about a redesigned IH Scout. It looks nothing like a 66 Bronco, but like the 66 Bronco it has shitty IFS that never could compete with Jeep. At least the original Scout had a front solid axle. Broncos had solid axles until 1980 when they moved to the TTB. The old Broncos are quite capable and I have seen some really awesome ones. I don't think you know what you are talking about. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:24:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not me. I'm happy with what I got. Especially for what I paid. https://i.ibb.co/p2PhCS3/20200409-135022.jpg Looks like a nice Jeep. But I don't get it. You can put a tire up on a rock? The rest of that trail looks like my wifes Mazda CX5 can ride on it. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've never owned a Ram have you? I had a 2016 Ram 3500 for 2 years. I think I received a few letters during that time... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174533/recall_JPG-1503242.JPG Nissan Titan looks pretty solid there. They get a bad rap here, but it's a solid truck. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: KOH/Baja/large trucks/military/etc...are highly modified and/or one-off custom designs designed for the specific application. You can't fairly compare them to a mass-produced production vehicle marketed to soccer moms. My last 4 DD's have been 3/4-1 ton trucks with a SFA, and I won't have it any other way. The strength, simplicity, and the suspension options in the future appeal to me. Oh, and well...: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174533/Flex_jpg-1503230.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174533/Flex1_jpg-1503231.JPG https://www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2016/04/001-1916-Model-T.jpg?fit=around%7C875:492 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Omg! My solid front axle! IFS isn’t durable! It’s not tough enough! Can’t handle off road! ... yeah even tractors use ifs now. https://youtu.be/610l4tP7b1U King of the hammers trucks do. Baja trucks do. IFS is literally arfcom. Get both. The ability to off road decently and a good ride. KOH/Baja/large trucks/military/etc...are highly modified and/or one-off custom designs designed for the specific application. You can't fairly compare them to a mass-produced production vehicle marketed to soccer moms. My last 4 DD's have been 3/4-1 ton trucks with a SFA, and I won't have it any other way. The strength, simplicity, and the suspension options in the future appeal to me. Oh, and well...: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174533/Flex_jpg-1503230.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/174533/Flex1_jpg-1503231.JPG https://www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2016/04/001-1916-Model-T.jpg?fit=around%7C875:492 Wow, so practical. Bet its so fun to drive above 35mph. IFS can be purpose built too- but usually do more fun things than “flex”. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:25:17 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote History@orjeepguy I actually did the same. Trading my 4runner in I think and keeping my Tacoma. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:25:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think this will eat jeeps lunch honestly. Competition is good and this thing will certainly drive jeep prices down. Assuming covid/unrest doesn’t completely unravel the country I expect to see a ton of these on the road by the end of 2021. Didn’t they say that about the FJ Cruiser? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:25:39 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: REAL Jeep owner checking in. Why are the Mall Crawlers crying this time? It looks like it could be a nice little Susie Soccer Mom mobile. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/476019/IMG_20200404_075642_jpg-1502925.JPG 1982 CJ 7 getting a diesel stuck in it https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/476019/IMG_20200707_141020_jpg-1502927.JPG 1951 M38 that I just brought back from central Iowa And, just to snub the f*ck out of them, my Avatar was BUILT by Kaiser Jeep in Feb of 1970 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/476019/IMG_20190902_102630_jpg-1502933.JPG LOL, are any of your Jeeps road-worthy? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:27:53 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like it, factory 35s with front and rear lockers available on any package is awesome. Jeep might have to make lockers available on anything other than the rubicon. Jeep teasing the 426 hemi on a Jeep was a nice touch, that might be enough for me to buy one. That would be bad ass for sure. Maybe 70k bud would be awesome. I do like turbos at altitude though. Much less power loss, but at the expense of always running premium. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:29:55 AM EDT
[#40]
LOL at all the henpecking here. IMO Ford woulda died a little while back if not for the F150. I'm glad they got something going. Ima driving FCA vehicles from here on out. The beauty of America is choices, so this is good. Not hating, don't plan to ever buy Ford again, but I'm happy for them on this.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:30:45 AM EDT
[#41]
For the 99% of the people that buy these IFS is more than adequate. Ford built it with disconnectable sway bars. I'm sure the aftermarket will respond with more options later.
I'm impressed Ford is offering 35s from the factory. That's got to hurt gas mileage. Hopefully 35 inch tires will get more affordable now. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:33:28 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: details @alacrity Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pretty fair. Even the G-Class has gone IFS now. But there may be a contender soon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/7E7C677A-54E9-48F9-A012-5BA07924F4B7_jpe-1503237.JPG details @alacrity EF4LIfe hit it - Ineos Grenadier. 2nd richest guy in UK pissed Defender gets canceled, tries to buy It. Rebuffed harshly (JLR destroys tooling) he rage builds a car company. So it gets tagged new Defender - but it's more Graz than Solihull. But yea, spiritually, it's the successor. BMW motives, solid ag/commercial axles from Carraro, good management and eng teams, overall top effort - and it may still suck. I'm hopeful, but scratch efforts are fraught with peril. Rage gets shit done tho.  Attached Filehttps://www.ar15.com/forums/general/New-BMW-Landrover-anyone-/5-2344301/ |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:33:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:34:06 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty simple; bead locks are not road legal. Ford sells you a wheel what comes woth a removable faux BL ring that you can replace with a real bead lock. AEV makes similar wheels for jeeps etc now I've heard that too but no one has ever been able to produce any backup showing an actual law so I'm not sure. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:35:44 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For the 99% of the people that buy these IFS is more than adequate. Ford built it with disconnectable sway bars. I'm sure the aftermarket will respond with more options later. I'm impressed Ford is offering 35s from the factory. That's got to hurt gas mileage. Hopefully 35 inch tires will get more affordable now. 35s are cheap when you have 15” rims 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:36:25 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh those Broncos will take a shit alright. About 40 feet from the dealership. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:37:32 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2006 was the last year for Jeep.  At last, all things Bronco!!! You wrote 1986 wrong. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:37:33 AM EDT
[#48]
I like Jeeps and Ram trucks, not quite a fanboy but close.
I'm thrilled at the new Bronco, its a sign and momentum towards production of fun, interesting, and capable vehicles. Anything to fight back against the trend towards boring econoboxes. I like the Bronco's styling a lot, and also like the drivetrain options. Jeep desperately needs to start slapping turbos on their smaller vehicles that won't fit a V8. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:38:41 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stronger simpler parts are way overhyped? No. How about when your trying to go over a rock stuff a tire into the fender on ifs, now your front diff Could be dragging the ground since you lose clearance as it articulated, no thanks. And if ifs was so good why didn’t they use it on the Broncos rear axle too? It’s ok if you don’t like jeeps, it’s really ok. But some of us do. And some of us actually use them. The bronco is nice, probably going to sell a lot of them too. But that last “5%” they leave in the table is quite a bit in my book. IFS has better ground clearance to start with. Also look at RZRs. Independent at all 4 corners and more capable than almost anything on the trail. That's said, I would have taken the solid front if it was an option on the bronco. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 9:38:53 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: EF4LIfe hit it - Ineos Grenadier. 2nd richest guy in UK pissed Defender gets canceled, tries to buy It. Rebuffed harshly (JLR destroys tooling) he rage builds a car company. So it gets tagged new Defender - but it's more Graz than Solihull. But yea, spiritually, it's the successor. BMW motives, solid ag/commercial axles from Carraro, good management and eng teams, overall top effort - and it may still suck. I'm hopeful, but scratch efforts are fraught with peril. Rage gets shit done tho. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/D6ECECF1-0FFF-46DF-85BE-03D6812B1A5A_jpe-1503272.JPG https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/New-BMW-Landrover-anyone-/5-2344301/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty fair. Even the G-Class has gone IFS now. But there may be a contender soon. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/7E7C677A-54E9-48F9-A012-5BA07924F4B7_jpe-1503237.JPG details @alacrity EF4LIfe hit it - Ineos Grenadier. 2nd richest guy in UK pissed Defender gets canceled, tries to buy It. Rebuffed harshly (JLR destroys tooling) he rage builds a car company. So it gets tagged new Defender - but it's more Graz than Solihull. But yea, spiritually, it's the successor. BMW motives, solid ag/commercial axles from Carraro, good management and eng teams, overall top effort - and it may still suck. I'm hopeful, but scratch efforts are fraught with peril. Rage gets shit done tho. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/D6ECECF1-0FFF-46DF-85BE-03D6812B1A5A_jpe-1503272.JPG https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/New-BMW-Landrover-anyone-/5-2344301/ I was hoping it would have to do with comments like this.... With the "more affordable landcruiser" rumors abound just about the only thing that may get me to sell the 4runner earlier than planned is if Toyota can deliver something like a modern FZJ80 but under $50K. |
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