Run pipelines from eastern areas that flood and dump it in lakes in the west.

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They based the predicted usage vs filling of that reservoir on record water flow years.  More or less we are going to have to force California to start using the ocean and capturing more rain water and all states using it are either going to have strict population growth caps soon and strict resident water usage caps or stop farming.

The city planners know this is fucked but they like that ever growing property tax money

We don’t need anymore government controlled or owned land. Fuck that noise. It just becomes areas that people aren’t allowed to use whenever the government sees fit. I’m tired of being told when I can go outside.

I am waiting for this event to either hit us hard or for people to wake up.  The American Farmland Trust said 31 million acres of farm/ranch land was lost to development between 1992 and 2012.
A study by Yale University estimates that currently we are losing about an acre a minute to urban sprawl/development.

Maybe we have enough land that this won't matter in our lifetime, I don't know but at some point its going to hit.

Hate the taste of it

Urban development uses less water than farms.  Growing less food could lead to some problems but not water problems.   It's probably the easiest way to solve our water problems is to stop farming in the southwest  and import more food from places that don't have this issue.    

What's funny is the libs blame global warming for the desert that's always existed but global warming will open up billions of acres of farmland elsewhere that will allow way more food growth and we won't need to fa in the desert to have winter crops.

Ill use this comment amongst many to point out the entire southwest from texas to washington is in a severe drought. Even up to montana. Its not just a desert problem. Hell, most of AZ is better off than cali.

Imo there needs to be a massive push toward desalination infrastucture on the scale it took to build the hoover dam. Shits gonna run out of water and it wont just be the deserts that are uninhabitable.

Wait until the All American Canal drys up.

After the 40 billion dollar govt study is done that is deemed racist.

Literally like flicking a match into a 100,000 acre forest fire and having someone say "you don't know how much worse you just made the conditions, that match could have burned something important"

What cause the dips/recoveries in the 1950s/1960s?

@ontime1969 No offense taken. My intent really was not to blame Arizona, I am just referencing how AZ gets much more water from Mead along with Kalifornia and it is significantly more than Nevada ever has. There are plenty of completely desolate arid areas of central AZ that irrigate farms. Not exactly sure why they do that there but it isnt my farm LOL. I am going to collect rain water in AZ so I do my part to not have to truck in water from a well.

Lake Mead is a National Recreation area managed by the park service, it's already controlled by the federal government as a public place.

Lack of water / water.

Kommiefornia is gonna get really thirsty

One big dip was Lake Powell filling, one dip was a drought.

The problem with drought is there are different scales. In the short term the impact is minor, a wet year can fix a couple dry years, a bad drought lasts a decade (like the one in the '50s) but there's evidence of worse droughts.

Tree ring data in the region points to a significant drought that caused the collapse of the Anasazi civilization, that drought is on the order of a century in duration.

In the water industry in Las Vegas we're stepping away from calling it a drought and planning around the term "aridification", meaning our plans are based on the potential that we're seeing near permanent conditions so we're seeking long term solutions.

What are your thoughts on CA, specifically redrawing rights and them supplementing with desalination plants?
I know they have built about 5, with one in Huntington Beach.

If the States would build more dams and store more water, there wouldn't be a water shortage.

But, nooooo!

Get those lazy, drunken Indians off their butts and doing the rain dance again!

, how dare you?

We were in Lake Tahoe on the Nevada side a few weeks ago that is where my wife is from. The water level is crazy low but Like you said it changes it was low like that in 1990 and 1991.  Then boom 5 good wet years and things were good again.  We are already looking at some good early monsoon formations this year so who knows.

Are you sure? Have you recently checked?

California is the 400lb gorilla on the Colorado, the compact was written with the expectation that they would be a super state so the largest share was granted to them to support their anticipated economy.  California will eventually need to invest in significantly more desal capacity, the recent proposal that was shot down was mostly done so because the water it would have generates is significantly more expensive than anything they have access to. For the time being that can has been kicked down the road. I think it costs about $50-$100/acre ft to deliver Colorado river water, the proposed Desal plant in Huntington beach was going to be like $1,200/ acre ft, so nobody really wants to see water bills go up 10x and that meant none of the water purveyors in the area wanted to have to get water from that plant it's currently too expensive. Some day the economics may change.

Redrawing rights is kind of touchy, someday we may come to that and hopefully Nevada  will get a slightly larger share than the pittance we currently have access to. Desal will likely play a more significant role, as well as direct potable reuse (which is the least popular solution) until that time the lower basin states will continue to make due, currently there is an agreement based on a handful of thresholds, NV and AZ give up access to a percentage (the first tier is 15%) Nevada was ahead of the curve on that one, since 2000 conservation efforts have reduced our consumptive use by a little more that that 15% so we hit that curtailment in stride, while California would panic and mandate no lawn watering at all we were able to pass that with no drama and business as "usual".

California is the slowest one to the game with respect to conservation but they're starting to take it seriously and if the next threshold based on Lake Mead elevation is reached they may have no choice because the river will be running onto conditions where there allocation won't be delivered.

Arizona is starting to step up with conservation also and looking at many of the plays in the Las Vegas Playbook.

Las Vegas so far has removed considerable turf through a turf removal program where a portion of the water from water bill is spent on conservation efforts, like a rebate for turf removal, we had a rebate for pool covers that reduce evaporation by 90% but that may have ended due to limited participation. We're now addressing "non-functional turf" the grass in medians and corporate landscaping that is 100% ornamental, We're working on efforts to improve water efficiency in the number two consumptive use which is commercial air conditioning. I think it passed where no Colorado river water will be allowed to be used for irrigation on any new golf courses, so if builders want to make another one they'll have to buy groundwater rights which are basically locked at the current amount for the basin.

Las Vegas has also managed to stretch the water budget by employing a watering schedule that changes with the seasons, one day a week during the winter, three days a week spring and fall, and 6 days a week in the summer, no water on Sundays, that measure coupled with awareness has been huge on the conservation front, with the current situation we're also stepping up efforts to curtail water waste with mechanisms in place to alert people if their irrigation equipment is broken or spraying on the street, first few instances are purely notifications, any kind of fine comes later.

Las Vegas gets about 10% of their water from groundwater and a network of municipal wells that supply is based on perennial yield of basin which is set at the amount for natural recharge. Las Vegas also has about a year's worth of water stored in the ground, and  two or three years worth of water stored in the ground in Arizona. The water banked in Las Vegas can be accessed through municipal wells that have the capacity to withdraw two or three times the current amount so we could supply 20 to 25% of Vegas's needs from wells alone, and if we decide to draw on the Arizona banked water then Arizona takes that water from the ground where it was banked and we take our portion from Lake Mead.

Las Vegas also recently finished an intake and low lake level pump station that allows Vegas access to the Colorado even if the lake reaches "Dead Pool" or the 850ft elevation where no water can get out through the dam. At that elevation the storage alone is equal to 10 years of Las Vegas's supply and Arizona and California's intakes are all downstream of the dam.  

Las Vegas has also entered an agreement to partially fund a direct potable reuse plant in southern California (doesn't require blessing from the coastal coalition) the capacity we subsidized in that plant is done in exchange for a portion of California's Colorado river allocation Looks like 25-30,000 acre ft

If ti ever gets close to dead pool on Lake Mead, i'm sure at that point there will be a lot of push for re-allocation but until that time Las Vegas is on the mutherfucker to make sure needs are met.

If your job gives you a pay cut, opening more savings accounts won't magically create you more money.

Exactly.  Those two periods were a bit worse than today.

The dam producers power right? How much longer before it can't?

COC 7 - AJE

   I wonder how many have been removed for the fish that are missed now.

I think Dead pool is at the 850 ft elevation, the dam is already at reduced power production because the head is less than full.

There will be no more water going through the dam once the  lake level reaches 895’ which is dead pool. Power output is already reduced by about 30% at the current level. Hoover dam can generate power down to about 925’ (only about 25% power at that point).

Lake Mead is currently at 1046’ so 121’ to go, right now we are loosing 0.10 - 0.25 feet per day.

Las Vegas will be able to draw water all the way to 875’ due to the “third straw intake”, it will be an epic catastrophe at that point.

It’s not looking good.

At this rate there will be a mass water refuge migration the likes of which this country has never seen.

  Been raining off and on all morning here in n.nevada.

Have they tried raising the price of water?   And not CA stupid cheap fines for using more than your allotment.

Or is the legislature going to create a "price gouging" law against that?

Which will cost more in California, a gallon of gas or a gallon of water?

Illegals need to fix their own damn shit hole countries.

Global warming is a hoax.

What does the bolded part mean?

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The Lake Mead B-29

The brine issue raised by leftists to stall desalination plants is stupid. The solution to the pollution is dilution. The Pacific Ocean is vast and salinity beyond a very small area around the discharge pipes will not change one bit.

And vote for the Godless democratic socialist.

Just what it says…

There will be millions of people that will have to relocate due to lack of water. Presumably they will go where water is available.

It will start with people having family or friends in non drought areas and packing up the family truckster much like our ancestors loaded up the wagons during the dust bowl.

The smart ones will get out before the rush (mass migration).

^^^THIS^^^




We already do.  There just isn't enough rain/snow to fill them faster than it's used up.  With the cost of desalination and the evaporation rate out west,  it doesn't make sense to store desalination water in reservoirs.

Exactly

History has countless examples and it seems to come down to these two bullet points:

-Don't build cities in deserts.

-When the desert comes for your city, move.

That seems to work pretty well.

Yeah it actually rained at my place in N AZ two days ago! Later this week, it looks like a good chance for more!

I hope you piss in the river every chance you get.  

You had a few extra periods in there.   FIFY.  

Actually construct new infrastructure.  Many areas have been skating on infrastructure built in the 70's based on plans probably going back to the 50's and 60's.

Creating more reservoirs to collect more rainfall and snow melt is one angle, a few modern nuclear power plants and desalination facilities are the other.  CA wont do it, and thats why I am invested in SoCal water companies.  Eventually their continued ignorance will help fund my retirement.

Panama??