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Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:37:39 PM EDT
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The smug mentality and “told ya so” attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
The "R" team sucks. They've been instrumental in passing every gun control law since 1934. Wake the fuck up, and stop playing "team" politics.
Team "R" gave you the NFA, GCA, AWB and NICS, and a lot more. Open your fucking eyes.
I knew this thread would out them.
Dispute what I said. Sell me on team "R" in the face of that.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:38:12 PM EDT
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
You are looking for a scapegoat.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:38:16 PM EDT
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The good news is that early primary voting shows a trend for very high enthusiasm for a Trump re-election.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:38:17 PM EDT
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It’s not a Trump thing. I have voted straight ticket across the board R since 2004 in my first legal voting outing.
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The smug mentality and “told ya so” attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
The "R" team sucks. They've been instrumental in passing every gun control law since 1934. Wake the fuck up, and stop playing "team" politics.
Team "R" gave you the NFA, GCA, AWB and NICS, and a lot more. Open your fucking eyes.
I knew this thread would out them.
You need to start thinking long-term instead of just trying to be holier-than-thou about Trump.

"Better than the incredibly sucky opposition" isn't a tenable and enduring political platform.  2016 is a fucking memory and Trump's a finger in the dike even with a second term.  Conservative society and the Republican party (or whatever's going to replace it) need to get better, and in a big hurry.
It’s not a Trump thing. I have voted straight ticket across the board R since 2004 in my first legal voting outing.
Crossout the year and you have me described perfectly
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:38:38 PM EDT
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Yah it had nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands of DIVERSE & INCLUSIVE people who “migrated” here

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Yah it had nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands of DIVERSE & INCLUSIVE people who “migrated” here

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Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:40:25 PM EDT
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mUh NeVaTruMpZ
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

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I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
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The Dems voted in higher numbers than the Republicans.
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I do, because a lot of NeverTrumpers either decided to stay home or voted D "to teach the Republicans a lesson."  Dumb bastards.  The lesson is:  If Donks get power, you get fucked.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:43:13 PM EDT
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What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
He is talking about why Virginia went so blue.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:43:36 PM EDT
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Well, you're very clearly making it a "Trump thing," so what's your point then?
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The never Trumpers are making it a Trump thing. The rest of us are looking at the long game and Trump is just one guy in a series to us. He’s the best guy today.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:44:11 PM EDT
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The smug mentality and “told ya so” attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
The "R" team sucks. They've been instrumental in passing every gun control law since 1934. Wake the fuck up, and stop playing "team" politics.
Team "R" gave you the NFA, GCA, AWB and NICS, and a lot more. Open your fucking eyes.
I knew this thread would out them.
But you can't refute their argument, can you?

If you think the GOP platform and electoral position are so weak a few dissident conservatives and centre-left shills can wave them off today, wait for mass immigration's effects to crystallize. Today's philosophical slapfights are no-holds-barred ethnic bloc lockstepping and faction oppression 15 years out.

Edit: moreover, the anti-underscore memes are heating up *despite* Trump's reelection likelihood doubling over the last year. Who's really trying to turn off fellow Republicans right now?
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:44:35 PM EDT
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Then what?  Populism historically performs incredibly poorly in the long run, and he's only got another four years, at best.
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What are your thoughts on Balkanization?

How much ammo do you have?

That's where my mid to long range thoughts are.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:44:36 PM EDT
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They'll be sure to flock to this thread as a gaggle of tards to tell us how virtuous they are about the 2A by voting for socialists.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around being told to vote for the party that has been long destroying the 2A, as a way to save the 2A.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:45:10 PM EDT
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Never Trumper RINOs are a worse enemy than Leftists.
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Bad logic, this is always the fallback. "We'll kill the libs n' take back da gubmint" well we all know that's bullshit everyone has way too much to lose. VOTE
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Ha! I didn't say "kill", I said it wouldn't be nice. There are a lot of mean legal things that can be done. It isn't just the "libs" that have created the reality we now live in, and the only election I've ever sat out was one where the guy I supported was uncontested. I knew we were boned this time around before I even made it inside the polling place as I watched a woman screech about how she was all for baby killing, and I live in a county that still has a right wing majority. Once the people in power have imported and bought enough votes to ensure they always win, your "just vote bro!" logic becomes meaningless.
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He is talking about why Virginia went so blue.
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
He is talking about why Virginia went so blue.
Yes, and apparently it went democrat because of the incompetence of the republicans. This is a reason to vote for republicans?
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:48:36 PM EDT
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Who's next in the series?  I'm genuinely curious, since the predecessors were Romney, McCain, and the Bush family, which put the Republican party pretty squarely in the position it's in today.  You know, the one where your Republican governor had the smallest margin of victory it's seen in decades, despite a historic turnout.
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Well, you're very clearly making it a "Trump thing," so what's your point then?
The never Trumpers are making it a Trump thing. The rest of us are looking at the long game and Trump is just one guy in a series to us. He’s the best guy today.
Who's next in the series?  I'm genuinely curious, since the predecessors were Romney, McCain, and the Bush family, which put the Republican party pretty squarely in the position it's in today.  You know, the one where your Republican governor had the smallest margin of victory it's seen in decades, despite a historic turnout.
Honestly probably one of the Trump kids at this point.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:48:39 PM EDT
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I would argue that republicans willing to give away constitutional rights are worse than leftists.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:48:56 PM EDT
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Democratic zeal might just pay off far more than the Republicans' history of conditioning the population for further and further acceptance.  Maybe force SCOTUS to draw a real line in the sand.  And more likely in our favor when people are legit pissed off and taking to the streets with guns.  Bottom line, this bullshit won't end until then.  Relying on politicians in perpetuity is fool's gold.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:49:24 PM EDT
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Yes, and apparently it went democrat because of the incompetence of the republicans. This is a reason to vote for republicans?
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
He is talking about why Virginia went so blue.
Yes, and apparently it went democrat because of the incompetence of the republicans. This is a reason to vote for republicans?
You just proved my point.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:50:31 PM EDT
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
The "R" team sucks. They've been instrumental in passing every gun control law since 1934. Wake the fuck up, and stop playing "team" politics.
Team "R" gave you the NFA, GCA, AWB and NICS, and a lot more. Open your fucking eyes.
I knew this thread would out them.
And yet he isn't wrong.  The Donks are worse, but the Republicans don't have clean hands.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:50:33 PM EDT
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I would argue that republicans willing to give away constitutional rights are worse than leftists.
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Never Trumper RINOs are a worse enemy than Leftists.
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Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:50:55 PM EDT
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Same with KY, as we lost our governor but the AG beat the democratic governor by 200k votes. A clear message from folks who were nevertrumpers (though more likely all the teachers Bevin pissed off trying to save the pension system from collapse)
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:51:26 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around being told to vote for the party that has been long destroying the 2A, as a way to save the 2A.
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They'll be sure to flock to this thread as a gaggle of tards to tell us how virtuous they are about the 2A by voting for socialists.

Wrap your head around that one, wtf.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around being told to vote for the party that has been long destroying the 2A, as a way to save the 2A.
Don't fix my sucking chest wound right now, doctor.  I want you to cure my cancer first.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:51:39 PM EDT
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Yes, and apparently it went democrat because of the incompetence of the republicans. This is a reason to vote for republicans?
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
What are you saying here? That the incompetence of the GOP is a reason to vote for them? That makes sense to you?
He is talking about why Virginia went so blue.
Yes, and apparently it went democrat because of the incompetence of the republicans. This is a reason to vote for republicans?
I can’t speak for him but I didn’t see it as him making that argument.
I don’t always agree with Miami but I have a ton of respect for him because of the effort that he has put in.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:51:56 PM EDT
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You are looking for a scapegoat.
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
You are looking for a scapegoat.
He's also not wrong.  Those were also contributing factors.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:51:59 PM EDT
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And yet he isn't wrong.  The Donks are worse, but the Republicans don't have clean hands.
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
The "R" team sucks. They've been instrumental in passing every gun control law since 1934. Wake the fuck up, and stop playing "team" politics.
Team "R" gave you the NFA, GCA, AWB and NICS, and a lot more. Open your fucking eyes.
I knew this thread would out them.
And yet he isn't wrong.  The Donks are worse, but the Republicans don't have clean hands.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. This is way worse than I thought.
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Never Trumper RINOs are a worse enemy than Leftists.
I would argue that republicans willing to give away constitutional rights are worse than leftists.
How the hell could you disagree with that?
You still haven’t given me your plan for getting rid of the law that your last governor signed.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:53:17 PM EDT
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Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 because Gary Johnson in addition to the Never Trumpers.

Running as libertarian he took almost 4.5 million votes that would have more than likely gone to Trump.

2020 is shaping up to be a dismal election year for the Socialist/Dems. If the Bern gets the nod it will turn off "moderate" dems. If the Bern doesn't get the nod all the Bernie bros will stay home on election night.

Trump will win 2020 in a crushing and historic landslide. Republicans will take back the house. Purple states will be Red once again.
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Don't fix my sucking chest wound right now, doctor.  I want you to cure my cancer first.
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They'll be sure to flock to this thread as a gaggle of tards to tell us how virtuous they are about the 2A by voting for socialists.

Wrap your head around that one, wtf.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around being told to vote for the party that has been long destroying the 2A, as a way to save the 2A.
Don't fix my sucking chest wound right now, doctor.  I want you to cure my cancer first.
And shoot me a few more times while you do it
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:54:27 PM EDT
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I think that's the most honest response I've seen.

I'd really prefer it not come to that and I don't think it has to, but I think that's the preferred outcome for a lot of people.
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Me too, but big gov't statists (in both parties) won't leave well enough alone, and the least violent method of peaceful cohabitation at this point is Balkanization.

I have personally drawn the line at VA type legislation on both a state and federal level. Pass whatever laws that make you feel safe and I'll live my life shooting and owning whatever I like with abandon, just like I always have.

Try to enforce some arbitrary and unconstitutional law imposed from afar, and I get to introduce folks to gunfights.  IDGAF, not my first.
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You've already found yours.
Link Posted: 2/14/2020 11:56:35 PM EDT
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if my 2A vote is all that important, perhaps Trump will throw me some sort of bone to ensure that I turn out.
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How the hell could you disagree with that?
You still haven’t given me your plan for getting rid of the law that your last governor signed.
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Never Trumper RINOs are a worse enemy than Leftists.
I would argue that republicans willing to give away constitutional rights are worse than leftists.
How the hell could you disagree with that?
You still haven’t given me your plan for getting rid of the law that your last governor signed.
It’s impossible to get rid of laws once they are signed into law. You should know that at this point. That’s why we replaced Scott with Desantis.
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They'll be sure to flock to this thread as a gaggle of tards to tell us how virtuous they are about the 2A by voting for socialists.

Wrap your head around that one, wtf.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around being told to vote for the party that has been long destroying the 2A, as a way to save the 2A.
Don't fix my sucking chest wound right now, doctor.  I want you to cure my cancer first.
And shoot me a few more times while you do it
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The smug mentality and "told ya so" attitude of never Trumpers caused the low GOP voter turnout that has put Virginia in its current state.

GET OUT AND VOTE R OR FACE THE SAME IN YOUR STATE
I guess massive Gerrymandering by the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Or a lackluster State GOP that didn't contest a number of seats.
 ^ Facts my district in Suffolk went from a 25+ year highly respected councilman to a  dem win overnight with the gerrymandering.   Nothing my wife and I can do but we still drag our asses to the polls in Every election not just presidential ones.  He won our district barely and its mostly conservative farmland.  The redistricting after the 2020 Census will all but seal our fate, permanently.
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Ok. So what caused Florida and how do you plan to fix it?

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Republican controlled legislature in the FLA and we're still headed down the drain.
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This is mind numbing. In the hour or so since I started the tread we’ve got about a dozen never Trumpers posting. Here you go folks.
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It's impossible to get rid of laws once they are signed into law. You should know that at this point. That's why we replaced Scott with Desantis.
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Well it shouldn't be when your team is in charge, should it? That's what people here are getting at when they say the R's have fucked us just as hard. I'm not going to say "don't vote for them" because that would be counter intuitive, but when they're in power, we need to take them to task and not give them a free pass to continue to bend us over the table. I guarantee you trump would reverse course on the bump stock ban if his supporters heckled the shit out of him at every rally, instead of just lapping up whatever verbal cum he spews from his mouth, but we'll never do that because he's "our guy!"
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It’s impossible to get rid of laws once they are signed into law. You should know that at this point. That’s why we replaced Scott with Desantis.
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How the hell could you disagree with that?
You still haven’t given me your plan for getting rid of the law that your last governor signed.
It’s impossible to get rid of laws once they are signed into law. You should know that at this point. That’s why we replaced Scott with Desantis.
Enjoy your confiscation.
You didn’t get rid of Scott you rewarded him with a senate seat and in the process told republicans everywhere that gun control now wins them elections, even in the gunshine state.
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This is mind numbing. In the hour or so since I started the tread we’ve got about a dozen never Trumpers posting. Here you go folks.
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The only way they feel safe to voice their opinion is when they have numbers.  Much like antifa, they're pathetic when they dont have numbers on their side.  Pretty sure they got some sort of "gais help me out here" IM strategy
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Enjoy your confiscation.
You didn’t get rid of Scott you rewarded him with a senate seat and in the process told republicans everywhere that gun control now wins them elections, even in the gunshine state.
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Never Trumper RINOs are a worse enemy than Leftists.
I would argue that republicans willing to give away constitutional rights are worse than leftists.
How the hell could you disagree with that?
You still haven’t given me your plan for getting rid of the law that your last governor signed.
It’s impossible to get rid of laws once they are signed into law. You should know that at this point. That’s why we replaced Scott with Desantis.
Enjoy your confiscation.
You didn’t get rid of Scott you rewarded him with a senate seat and in the process told republicans everywhere that gun control now wins them elections, even in the gunshine state.
You also just proved my point
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