Yeah, that GSD is stressed as hell. Surprised any dog owners would read those cues any differently.

Has the Mal Pups neck been broken yet? Some people have no business owning dogs.
It's so cute.

When my female ACD was around 15 weeks, very small but none stop.

Similar happened but the adult male went for her, she went right back.

I lead him away into the hall as I passed the sofa the pup slipped from my partners hand, jumped or should I say launched herself onto the sofa then the back of the sofa and launched herself onto his back like some kind of mad cujo velociraptor hell hound mix.

She’s been king dick around here ever since.

Logan will not back down from any dog when out big or small   but one look from her and his ears are flat and he slinks off.

This.

And the GSD was expecting to be corrected after the fact, hence the submissive posture at the end.

Won't end well in that house.

There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

Half surprised that GSD is that we’ll mannered and submissive to his owner with what dipshits the owners are. He was clearly very uncomfortable.

GSDs are simply the best dog. Mals are their retarded hyperactive cousins

Holy shit, this thread...

Yep.

And the same goes for kids. If you let your kids push and push and push the line while your dog looks to you for help, and you don’t step in, you are the one at fault when your kids get bit.

Yep. If you are not the alpha, the alpha dog will take over that role. You do not want dogs like Mals and GSDs being the alphas.

It has epic potential...…….

This right here.

So much frantic hand wringing.

I have worked too many Mals over the years. For sure some are relaxed and groovy. Others will light you up when the doorbell rings or have some other personality quirk.

I want one so bad, but I will likely never end up owning one because I'm not stupid enough to think it'd be a good fit for my family or the dog.  They certainly are high energy dogs.  Think i'll stick with Labs

The mal was not flexing.

It was yelling,
Play, play, play, play, now, play, play now, MFer PLAY!

The GSD was a good dog, but did not want to play.  They were a little stressed, wanting to the owner to step and and tell pup to go away and leave him alone.

Not sure, age, temperament, timing, whatever.

This owner just seems to have expected them to play and was waiting for some cute dog play.  They did not seem to understand what was going on,  they did not want them to fight by any means.  They were just watching their cute little puppy.

A more astute owner would be expecting the GSD to play a little and growl or nip as needed to teach the pup some boundaries.  They would have corrected the pup and tried again latter, outside, when the GSD seemed like it wanted to play, etc.

The pup seems like a normal pup, the GSD seems to have a good temperament, the owner seems like they intend to provide a well cared for, well treated dog home.  They could be a little more tuned in, but that is going to come.

People that have been around a MWD, and had active dogs like typical pet/show line GSDs, Collies, Labs, Husky, etc., Or had active endurance based work animals,
Think they are ready for a mal. They think, hey, it will have a little more endurance than a GSD, be smart and easy to train, want to play a lot like a lab, run around a lot like a collie, go for runs with them like a husky, etc.  They may have had experience with dobermans, rotts, hybrids, hunting dogs, and think no problem.

But then the reality of living 24/7/365 with a true working line mal sets in.  A working line mal, DS, GSD type animal is a much different experience.

Maybe someday, a few decades from now, there will be a bunch of pet line mals like there are GSDs.  But that is not the case now.

Our available active, full of energy pet breeds are like daily driving a Mustang GT, Challenger RT, Or Camaro SS.
Not for everybody but if you are in to two door, RWD, V8s they can be fun and a nice daily driver.

Working line BM, DS, GSD are like getting the model of one of the above cars with forced induction, rear seat delete, radio delete, no AC, track tuned suspension, manual transmission, fiber glass hood and trunk, full traction control off, racing seat with five point harness and full roll cage model.  Yes, it is awesome and has incredible capabilities, but it can suck and get old fast as a daily driver.

I’ve come to the conclusion I’ll take a dog who reliably alerts me when something is up but is chill with family. I’ll handle the problems he alerts me to. I live in the country, so a dog barking is not an issue with neighbors.

Agree.  That GSD deserves better.  Good doggie.

Why?

Went to the second page looking for your reply as to why and didn't find it

cause they are often a giant destructive pain the ass?

They are great at what they are bred to be...they are not bred to be pets.

If the adult dog is well mannered and trained it is good that it did that to the pup. Old dog is under the owner and the puppy just found out he is the low dog under both.

This.  The owner should have stopped it, you can see the GSD getting stressed and looking uncomfortable.

I miss my GSD.

They are soo fucking smart.  Just looking at their eyes......you can tell what they are thinking.

We lost our girl a few months ago.  

Never had one, but my understanding is they're fairly high strung and can be quite destructive. I'd never want one as an indoor dog. I already lived through that with a JRT. I can't imagine an even larger version.

The dog keeps looking to the woman for some adult intervention, but it's like expecting a public school employee to protect you from a bully.

Mine was a great pet and family dog. It all depends on the bloodline, the dog, and the owner.

I had a Malinois flex on me once. Ended up with a few 'lil holes in my forearm. I was just walking by and didn't even know the dog was there.

I'm sure my "vibes" were off, or some hippie shit like that...

Amazing working dogs. Otherwise?...

Or sometimes dogs just need to establish the pecking order on their own.    Supervised by a human isn't a bad way to do that sometimes.

Typical Malinois owner ...

Scrappy: Ok, Boomer; Ok, Boomer; Ok, Boomer...

That's awesome, I have a field bred lab with an amazing amount of drive and an equally amazing "switch" he can go from frothing, adrenaline fueled shaking insanity to stuffed animal in very short order.  I've had other field labs that would literally eat a hole in the dry wall and consume carpet and pad because they didn't get enough work...

If you had a Mal that had that off switch that's very cool.  They require a knowledgeable owner willing to put in the time.

It's the dog owners job to shush the Mal. The doggie hierarchy can take care of itself when the owner isn't watching.

It’s disturbing how few people understand what’s going on in the video.

The pup is annoying the older dog. Just being a pup but annoying none the less.

The older dog repeatedly “asks” for human intervention. After waiting in vain for help the older dog finally takes action.

Afterwards you see the confused/insecure body language of the older dog.

It’s not that hard. Dogs are not people but they are social creatures with emotions and communication skills. Humans SHOULD be capable of at least minimally understanding them.

So what dog would you recommend if you wanted a dog to help watch over the home from burglars when you're not there or protect your children when you're not around as well?

Australian Shepherd.

I picked a Doberman. There are plenty of others out there too. Depends on the skill, energy level, and general living situation of the owner, really.

Yup, I miss my GSD's.

It will learn its place in the hierarchy (pack order) quickly.
Make sure it puts YOU at the very top.

Nephew in-law just had his Siberian Husky die from an abdominal tumor.

105 pound plus dog.

Gentle as could be with smaller dogs, children, and people.

Never barked at anyone.
Just stood their wagging his tail.

Low to medium drive GSD.

Wasn't my take on it at all.

false...a properly trained Mal is no different than any other dog besides the fact they're better at everything than every other dog. All I will ever have are Mal's, and yes they will live in my house.

Looked to me like a female GSD.  A male would not have let it go that long before being aggressive.

Seemed prety normal.
Puppy wanted to play.
GSD did not.

Pack order needs to become established.
As long as no real injury is produced let the dogs sort it out.

My puppy (only 11 months) and my older dog (12 years) still go through a cute 'play' fighting almost every morning.
Lots of growling, some snapping (that always misses), and a decent amount of noise.
They are playing.
After they are fed upstairs it generally stops for the day.
They will sleep in a pile.
Being smaller dogs they are now pretty close to the same size.

Puppy is showing signs of heat so she is not going to grow all that much more.

Meanwhile other people in GD are crowdfunding a dog psychotherapy session for the “stressed” GSD

LOL at these fur-baby owners ITT.

Dogs have their own pecking order.

Mals aren't bad dogs, don't get me wrong, really awesome actually but they aren't for....novice owners...I guess...

Love ours. Shes 13.
The gsd/rott is 1.5yrs old.
The pup pulls this yap lets play shit and the aussie is like fuck you land shark, when i was your age, i could out run a JRT on a 5 day coke binge, you young dogs dont know shit, yeah ywah, woof,woof is that all you can do.
Then the pup pulls an " ok boomer " moment and i got a 45lb fur missle chasing a 90lb land shark through the house, over the couch, ....

Yea, works great with two male alpha dogs.