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Dunno, my Milwaukee swz all is a beast. I don't expect much from most cordless tools. My porter cable 18v lithium has already shit itself.
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Their batteries are utter dogshit. A former employer had racks of them on chargers when I did fabrication for them. Put a battery on the charger at 2PM, let it charge overnight, pick it up at 8AM and start using it in a drill and that sucker would be dead 20 minutes later. Then I'd dig my half-discharged DeWalt out of my truck where it had been sitting for a week and go to town. View Quote Great. ![]() We do like the M12 form factor a lot for lighter work, though. |
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My m12 fuel impact has fallen 25' off a roof and hit asphalt and fell into 3' of water and was submerged for. 20 minutes before i could get to it. Still works great. It gets dropped onto concrete all the time.
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the m18 drill and driver set I bought has been the best drill and driver I've ever used.
If they went bad tomorrow, I would immediately replace them with the same stuff without hesitation. I might not abuse them like some do, but they have been pushed (and just keep asking for more) farther than any other cordless set I've had before could even deal with. The TQ on the drill is something to behold, especially in low. To say I am happy with them is an understatement. |
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I was under the impression the M12 stuff was more homeownerish.
My M18 stuff as been through hell, and they have fixed everything I've managed to break without a problem. |
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Did you take it back to your supplier yet?
I would bet they will fix it or replace it for you. |
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Like most things today they aren't built to last just to last long enough.
Why make something that lasts 10, 20 years when you need to sell the new models coming out. |
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I've had great luck with my M18 stuff and dropped them a few times to boot. Most of the electrical contractors I've seen all use the M18 stuff as well.
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP!
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Like most things today they aren't built to last just to last long enough. Why make something that lasts 10, 20 years when you need to sell the new models coming out. View Quote Not viable anyway with how fast tech is now advancing. I had a bunch of Dewalt 18v stuff I bought when I first started out, it held up just fine, but I didn't realize how outdated it all was until I got on a jobsite with another guy and his M18 stuff was just crushing me. We were tearing apart old steel tube stalls and he was getting nuts off twice as fast as I was with my impact. After I got paid for that job I upgraded everything to M18 with the new batteries. I anticipate something similar will happen in another 5-8 years, and I will once again have to liquidate and upgrade to maximize efficiency. |
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() View Quote Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. |
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Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. You need a better supplier then. I have the cell number of the guy I buy my stuff from. I sent him a message while he was off at a conference and asked him to to try out their cordless SDS Max drills for me. |
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I'm a homeowner/hobby farmer. I don't really have a supplier I did print the return label though and am just going to mail it in since they won't pick up the phone. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did you take it back to your supplier yet? I would bet they will fix it or replace it for you. I'm a homeowner/hobby farmer. I don't really have a supplier I did print the return label though and am just going to mail it in since they won't pick up the phone. There is an advantage to buying local sometimes. |
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Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() |
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I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. |
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The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. Start here. https://www.milwaukeetool.com/buy-now Once you find someone local that sells them you will have a direct line to a service center. My guy sends a shipment of stuff that needs repair in every Tuesday, last thing I had fixed was back in my hands the following Monday. |
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The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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. The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. Here's the other side of the coin-- I have two experiences with their CS. First was a Sawzall I bought at a pawn shop. It was a little sketchy on holding the blade, as it wouldn't always lock up when the quick connect ring was released. I called CS--got right through--and they were very helpful. He asked for some numbers on the tool and determined it was made in 2008, so it wasn't under warranty. He directed me to a local repair place and told me what to tell them. Turns out there is a lubrication point I wasn't aware of, which they sprayed with some lube, and it has worked fine since. I expected to buy a new blade holder--no charge for the lube job though. I got a helluva deal off Craigs List on a big mixing drill, but it had been treated poorly by someone prior. I ordered $130 worth of parts from the internet, including a new cord, as the ground prong had been pulled out. Turns out the new cord didn't have the little "flags" that plug into the switch on it, as more than one method of connecting has been used over the years. I called CS as I couldn't find them listed on the site I had bought the parts from. The very nice man (got right through this time too) told me how to fix it, saying a special crimper was needed, but said it is best to solder them on for someone like me. He offered the local place to do it if I didn't mind paying a few bucks (long out of warranty), but I told him I am skilled at soldering electrical connections. He said he would get them right out, THEN REFUSED MY CREDIT CARD INFO, EVEN WHEN I INSISTED ON PAYING. Maybe I'll go dig them out of the trash before the garbage man gets here . . . Edit: One thing that has worked many times for me when dealing with CS is to be very polite and "professional." I explain the problem, answer their questions, and asked what my best course of action would be. I avoid informing the CS rep he is the son of a whore, and I avoid telling him his company's products are junk. It's the whole idea of catching more flies with honey than vinegar. This attitude has served me well. I'm not saying the OP has done otherwise, but rather, I offer this as a general bit of good advice from an old guy--as that's all we're good for is dispensing hard-earned knowledge. ![]() |
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Quoted: The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. |
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Huh. I have a milwaukee cordless drill that I beat the shit out of and can't kill.
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I have both, M18 batteries have rubber bumpers to protect from falls. Ive dropped my M12 stuff a bit, never have broken it. May have just hit it at the right angle, shit happens sometimes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. Mine was the m12 extended capacity battery, and it also had rubber all around it |
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On a related topic, did you guys see they finally released the 9.0 high demand battery.
One of those could run my radio for a week. |
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Damn OP, you abused the fuck out of a fine tool and you blame the manufacturer? OK, here's a bet for you. Contact Milwaukee on line customer service and tell them the honest truth. they might replace it under warranty. Its worth a shot.
I was using my M12 Hackzall with a 4.0 battery out in the heat on a 100 degree day. It shut down on me. After 3 or 4 minutes it worked again. So I proceeded to bear down on the car I was cutting in half to get hauled off. Scrap guy was using my corded Milwaukee on the other side of the car. Battery started smoking and melting. I popped it out and tossed it about 10 yards away. It was replaced under warranty. I'll admit, I'm a Milwaukee M12 fanboy. The collection: Hackzall right angle drill 3/8 impact 3/8 ratchet 2 LED stick lights 1/4 impact 1/2 hammer drill Oscillating Multi tool Blutooth speaker USB charge port adapter circular saw |
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My M18 Fuel stuff works well. The Sawzall will eat up a battery but it usually takes something like limbing a tree to do it. That thing is a beast.
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Never owned a cordless milwauke, but the corded ones aren't too shabby.
Now dewalt cordless, I have had hammer drills ran over and then reassembled them with duct tape and wire and they just kept screwing |
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The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The garbage man is going to hate me, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() Pawn those and buy DeWalt, at least they pick up the damn phone when you need them. I have a friend who has been brand-loyal to Dewalt for many years. He came to help me hang some top cabinets in our kitchen and he used my Milwaukee M18 (not FUEL) drill and driver. It was his first time handling a Milwaukee product. Afterward he asked why I had never told him Milwaukee stuff is so much better than Dewalt. I smiled and said, "Everyone knows that!" Now I know of two that didn't know it. ![]() The bad thing is I really liked this set and was planning on buying some M18 tools soon. I realize shit happens to all tool brands but their customer service so far has been less than exciting, and that says alot too. I will say that the M18 series of tools are much more robust, and the batteries are better suited for drops. It's really unfortunate that customer service isn't really helping out at all. |
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thanks, I was thinking I needed some pre-approval or something to send it back and get shipping covered. Doing this now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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why don't you send it in for warranty instead of crying on the internet about how you was careless and dropped it and it broke. nevertheless, they will cover it under warranty AND pay shipping both ways! Yes you do have to take time and enter some info on their website and print off some stuff but you can do it, I have faith in you thanks, I was thinking I needed some pre-approval or something to send it back and get shipping covered. Doing this now. They used to have Milwaukee tool centers where you could just drop off your warrantied tools and pick them up a couple days later fixed or replaced...had a Sawzall replaced a few years back that way. |
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Got a flashlight and cordless impact thats going on 21 years old and both function perfectly with original battery's to boot.
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I'm switching out all of my DeWalts to Milwaukee as needed. The batteries on my Dewalt 18V are horrendous. I get more life out of my 12v Milwaukee impact than I do out of my 18v Dewalt impact and the battery is over 2X as big.
I worked at a mine where guys were given tool allowances every year. The break down on power/air tools was roughly: 75% Snap on 20% Milwaukee 3% Makita 2% Dewalt/Ryobi/Ridid/etc |
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Does the M18 have a good variable speed (read that: fairly linear) mechanism. or does it go immediately from 0-300RPM and then up? The POS DCD940 DeWalt 18v I bought a few years ago to replace my old DW998 18v is supposed to be variable speed, but there's no range in the low end, and it has the crappiest chuck I've ever used.
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I've got a mess of Milwaukee corded tools and I love every one of them.
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Snap on or craftsman. Thank you. View Quote You've got to be kidding me. I've got well over 20k worth of Snap-On tools, but he's talking about cordless. Snap-On doesn't make their own impact or cordless anything, so buying from them is just buying from someone else with a premium for having the name attached. Now Craftsman on the other hand, Craftsman? Are you kidding me? No, just no. |
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I think the m18 stuff is built and designed more for professionals.
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My M18 fuel driver has been incredible for the last 4 years. The tools themselves were good, I am just upset with their durability All tools like that have a hole for a lanyard and I run a little 550 thru all my tools just to cover my bases when working. |
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I had a Milwaukee pistol drill I ABUSED for years. Finally shit the bed
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My M18 fuel driver has been incredible for the last 4 years. The tools themselves were good, I am just upset with their durability You are being a little too quick to piss on them. Hit any plastic casing in the right way and it will fall apart. Take it back and ask HD or Lowes to replace the battery for you and drive on. |
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My last NiCad Milwaukee battery died a year ago, 12 years of service life was fine for me, now I am into Makita drill driver and grinder and a large kit of 20v DeWalts. Love all of them
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I LOVE Harbor Freight, but one thing I have never bought there are cordless tools. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You should know better than to abandon Harbor Freight tools for that cheap shit..... ![]() ![]() I LOVE Harbor Freight, but one thing I have never bought there are cordless tools. ![]() +1000 to that |
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The garbage man is going to hate me send me a Christmas card, as I just threw my M18 drill and driver into the trash, along with my two Sawzalls, Thunderbolt rotary hammer, and two 1/2" Hole Hawgs. Oh, and my Hole Hawg mixing drill, and my 60* angle drill. Quite a load, but they are junk, so now I will use my pocket knife to cut stuff and make holes. Can't go wrong by keeping it simple! Thanks, OP! ![]() View Quote ![]() |
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You've got to be kidding me. I've got well over 20k worth of Snap-On tools, but he's talking about cordless. Snap-On doesn't make their own impact or cordless anything, so buying from them is just buying from someone else with a premium for having the name attached. Now Craftsman on the other hand, Craftsman? Are you kidding me? No, just no. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Snap on or craftsman. Thank you. You've got to be kidding me. I've got well over 20k worth of Snap-On tools, but he's talking about cordless. Snap-On doesn't make their own impact or cordless anything, so buying from them is just buying from someone else with a premium for having the name attached. Now Craftsman on the other hand, Craftsman? Are you kidding me? No, just no. I was referring to the tools in general not the cordless drill/saw stuff I didn't realize that was what he was talking about when I posted it. That's what I get for replying to the thread title only without reading the rest . ![]() ![]() |
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Dropped my m18 fuel from ten feet onto concrete when building shelves, and it survived two or three falls
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I'm switching out all of my DeWalts to Milwaukee as needed. The batteries on my Dewalt 18V are horrendous. I get more life out of my 12v Milwaukee impact than I do out of my 18v Dewalt impact and the battery is over 2X as big. I worked at a mine where guys were given tool allowances every year. The break down on power/air tools was roughly: 75% Snap on 20% Milwaukee 3% Makita 2% Dewalt/Ryobi/Ridid/etc View Quote Depends on the area and what distributors there are usually. In texas it was 80% milwaukee and 20% dewalt. Here its the opposite. I'm a milwaukee man but most of it's about the same new. I bought nearly every tool dewalt makes when I stocked up last time because all of my guys use dewalt so we have a boneyard i can rob parts from. The 18v dewalt is pretty bad, some of my guys have them. I've got all 20v and the new flexvolt tools that are 120/60/20v and i've been very happy with them. EDIT - Are you comparing 12 volt lithium ion to 18v nicad? If so that's ridiculous. That's like comparing a carb to fuel injection. It's not even the same thing. Dewalt only made a nicad 18v as far as i know. The newer milwaukee 12 is all lithium ion. For reference, back when everything was nicad, we used to leave a pickup idling with the a/c on high all day so we could charge drill batteries for the jobsite. We have a 20 charger bank made out of plywood that sat in the back seat. Now with lithium ion, 5 chargers will do it, no a/c. |
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