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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:44:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with the guy. Phase out property taxes on the primary residence of home owners 70+. Why 70? Why not when you start drawing SS? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:44:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because the property is worth 10x more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? It's unlikely it went up by a factor of 10 in the last few years, and even if it did I don't care government shouldn't be pricing people out of homes they already own. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't live in a mansion and our prop taxes are over 9k a year. You also have no state income tax, right? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:46:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol So, you're smarter and wiser than all of the Founding Fathers, combined? I seriously doubt it. Have you ever read the United States Constitution? Let me quote part of it: Article I, Section 2: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. Article I Section 7: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. Here's the 10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. This means that if States or the People wish to tax themselves, they can. Now, you may think taxes are theft, but the Founders would disagree with you, and I would submit you are nowise smarter than they were. You may also think taxes are too damned high, and I would be the first to agree. But I have proven that taxes are not theft. They are specifically provided for under the Constitution, the greatest document for self-government ever written. Slaughtering Jews in Nazi Germany was legal. It was not moral. Property taxes are legal, they are not moral. Legal and Moral are not always the same thing. The founding fathers whom you quote also declared war on kings and shot people when they believed their taxes were too high. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? Basically soft socialism. It's what the WWII generation would want. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't live in a mansion and our prop taxes are over 9k a year. 14.3K for my 2,827 sqft house. It’s fucking nuts. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:50:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Ohio the state gets none of it. Most goes to schools and a small portion goes to local government. It’s disgusting how much schools take and don’t appreciate it. I pay property tax and school tax. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The property assessment may be 10x higher. That doesn't mean it's worth 10x more. Even if the value is 10x more, how does that increase the state’s expenses enough to warrant the increase? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:00:03 PM EDT
[#9]
People don't think The Great Reset be like it are,
but it do. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:00:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 14.3K for my 2,827 sqft house. It’s fucking nuts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We don't live in a mansion and our prop taxes are over 9k a year. 14.3K for my 2,827 sqft house. It’s fucking nuts. How many acres? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In FL it’s basically capped at 3% per year. Same here. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:04:38 PM EDT
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One of the reasons I am still in FL. If you have lived here a long time, the 3% cap, homestead exemption, and portability can keep your taxes tolerable…. Well, at least keep them from getting out of control.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:10:12 PM EDT
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This is a sham of the highest order.
1. Print money to cause inflation. 2. Home prices soar. 3. Raise property taxes since home "values" are so much higher now. The fucking home values aren't higher, the buying power of the dollar has been drastically cut. All this fucking money they're beg/borrowing/printing to give to foreign countries and illegals here is causing all this inflation. It is intentional. They're trying to crash our economy. You'll own nothing and be happy. 
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:23:28 PM EDT
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Here is WA it used to be based on what you paid for your house than they (Dems ) changed to annual assessment and jacked everyone. I swear they seem to do a budget and arbitrarily value properties to get the money they want from property taxes.
On top of that they add taxes and fees on top of everything.....cable bill, phone bills sewer and water and on and on..... Here 2/3 goes to schools also + endless levies. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:46:54 PM EDT
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I assume he still owns some bootstraps? He’s voting hard enough?
That’s the advice they’ve been doling out for two decades, right? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:55:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if the value is 10x more, how does that increase the state's expenses enough to warrant the increase? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't live in a mansion and our prop taxes are over 9k a year. Same. And the "relief" last year was a total joke. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 1:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at the bright side. Our tax dollars have never been used more efficiently than they are now. The roads are perfect, the crime is nonexistent, the education system is unparalleled. As long as we agree to give them more taxes, our lives can only improve. Win win! They’ll even change the temperature of the entire planet! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:01:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As someone who fought the local school bond tax hike..I feel this man’s issues. Good for you. This story reminds me of a previous story from a few years ago. Anyone remember it please correct me if I get it wrong. APparently there was this retired lady living in Austin who was bitching in the news about not being able to stay on her house of 30 years because she was retired, on a fixed income, and the taxes had gotten so high she couldn't to afford her own, paid for home. I had sympathy for her initially but then as you read the article she went on and on about being a "good citizen " of Austin who supported her town by voting for every milliage, every new park, every new (fill in the cause here) and then was upset that she was being taxed out of her own home. The incredible lack of insight this woman had--she could not connect all of her voting for gimmies to the increase in her property tax. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:02:10 PM EDT
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Property tax should be switched to a tax on property during sales or transfers. The concept was explored by Thomas Paine as Agrarian Justice, and later by Henry George in what became known as Georgism. Those men envisioned the tax as the single source of income for the government, and it providing subsidies to the public, but regardless of that it's more just to be able to have a property owner pay a one time tax on it and then own it outright than being subject to a continuing tax.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:05:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: A senior from Montana has delivered a viral speech about the sorry state of property taxes in the Treasure State. "I'm on Social Security, I'm 68-years-old and working just to pay my taxes," says Kurt, in a clip shared on TikTok by Ryan Busse, who is running to be the next governor of Montana. Kurt claims that over the last couple of years, his annual property taxes have soared from $895 to almost $8,000 an increase of around 790% which he says is like paying almost "$700 a month rent to the state to live in our own house." The state has an Elderly Homeowner/Renter Tax Credit, and the maximum credit is $1,150. "There needs to be a moratorium on what we have to pay," he says, adding that he's had to continue working into what should be his retirement golden years to cover his mounting property costs. "I'm stubborn enough [that] I don't want to dig into my bank account to pay them." Kurt is one of thousands of Montana homeowners suffering sticker shock over recent property tax hikes. He says: "We just can't take this anymore. This was a great place and it still is, but the people that made it great can't afford to live here anymore." https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wDneLFHlVowOoW0POBC7HQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTQyNztjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/moneywise_327/ae5d1ddd54646912bb9937ab1e0f8996 moar |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elect me dictator and I would make it a capital crime to have property taxes. Anyone who votes for, signs into law, or enforces such a thing shall be guilty of it. From governors down to the sheriffs office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A senior from Montana has delivered a viral speech about the sorry state of property taxes in the Treasure State. "I'm on Social Security, I'm 68-years-old and working just to pay my taxes," says Kurt, in a clip shared on TikTok by Ryan Busse, who is running to be the next governor of Montana. Kurt claims that over the last couple of years, his annual property taxes have soared from $895 to almost $8,000 an increase of around 790% which he says is like paying almost "$700 a month rent to the state to live in our own house." The state has an Elderly Homeowner/Renter Tax Credit, and the maximum credit is $1,150. "There needs to be a moratorium on what we have to pay," he says, adding that he's had to continue working into what should be his retirement golden years to cover his mounting property costs. "I'm stubborn enough [that] I don't want to dig into my bank account to pay them." Kurt is one of thousands of Montana homeowners suffering sticker shock over recent property tax hikes. He says: "We just can't take this anymore. This was a great place and it still is, but the people that made it great can't afford to live here anymore." https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wDneLFHlVowOoW0POBC7HQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTQyNztjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/moneywise_327/ae5d1ddd54646912bb9937ab1e0f8996 moar Looks like he's not aqainst high property taxes, it looks like he just wants someone else to pay them. I'd be curious to see how he voted the last 30 years. Did he vote against spending or did he vote for spending, not realizing that increased spending has to come form somewhere? Assuming of course by "we" he is referring to retirees. The state has an Elderly Homeowner/Renter Tax Credit, and the maximum credit is $1,150. “There needs to be a moratorium on what we have to pay,” he says, adding that he’s had to continue working into what should be his retirement golden years to cover his mounting property costs. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:08:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I pay property tax and school tax. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In Ohio the state gets none of it. Most goes to schools and a small portion goes to local government. It’s disgusting how much schools take and don’t appreciate it. I pay property tax and school tax. Yeah, our district has an income tax on top of the school property tax. It is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:10:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...and that is how they intend to take your land and give it to others gotta have that "Iconic" architecture at the elementary school that will stop an F5 tornado gotta have those new automatic disconnects on all the fire trucks down at the local rural volly There are some here who’ll say “too bad” “freee markettttt.” |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:17:48 PM EDT
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Dont' forget personal property tax states. Pay sales tax for buying the car, pay licensing and registration, plus property tax, gas taxes.
We have a 2016 Highlander and a 2016 Camry. I paid $509 for the privilege of owning the Highlander and $286 for the Camry. It has been this rate for the last several years, because you know, car values went up, so you owe us more. Almost $800 annually for owning my cars! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a sham of the highest order. 1. Print money to cause inflation. 2. Home prices soar. 3. Raise property taxes since home "values" are so much higher now. The fucking home values aren't higher, the buying power of the dollar has been drastically cut. All this fucking money they're beg/borrowing/printing to give to foreign countries and illegals here is causing all this inflation. It is intentional. They're trying to crash our economy. You'll own nothing and be happy. But isn’t a free and prosperous Ukraine worth it? What kind of American are you anyway? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:23:29 PM EDT
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Well, at retirement we can live our boog dreams, by moving to the urban wastelands where the locusts have feasted on all there is to take. Pitch a tent, throw a tarp, fight the local bumlords, tooth and nail, hand to
hand, get staph and die. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:28:43 PM EDT
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In my former county in Georgia the Republicans ran a school bond on the ballot 3 times until it won by a couple of hundred votes. Government loves taxes.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubly so when they tax you on an asset you have already paid for or are in the process of paying for with your after-tax income. Bingo. Everything paid with after tax income should be tax free, fucking thieves. Manage your budgets, we have to. $12K to the local king for my 10000sqft lot with dwelling. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:41:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Our home is like $275k and our property taxes are like $2200 a half
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:46:00 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait until some California transplant tells him how they levied property tax on senior citizens back home. Lol Prop 13 is one thing that California did right. If it ever goes away, people will lose everything |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 3:02:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why have the property taxes gone up that much? People moving in from other states to get away from high taxes.  And just look what they have done to the locals. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:13:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taxation is theft. That means government employees and retirees are thieves. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:24:20 PM EDT
[#34]
Something doesn't add up with this dude and this story.
Anyone who appears in a Tiki Tok ad for Busse is a liberal. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:27:43 PM EDT
[#35]
Serious question because if I had the stomach for dealing with people and politics, I would totally do this.
Why don't people run on a 'I want to make your property taxes as close to $0 as possible' campaign? Other than people with 7 kids now actually having to pay for all of their fuck trophies' school costs and the overly bloated local city gov workers, who the fuck wouldn't be for this? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:31:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I spoke with a Veterans Affairs rep. about that. She said it's nearly impossible to get that exemption, unless you're a 100% disabled, non-ambulatory vet. So, if you're drawing 100%, but you're not completely broken, poor, and destitute, you're not getting the exemption. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you even 100% disabled vet homestead property tax exemption bro? I spoke with a Veterans Affairs rep. about that. She said it's nearly impossible to get that exemption, unless you're a 100% disabled, non-ambulatory vet. So, if you're drawing 100%, but you're not completely broken, poor, and destitute, you're not getting the exemption. Incorrect. I currently work with 4, able bodied scam artists who are collecting 100% disability from the VA and they're not paying property taxes. On top of that, they're working a physically demanding (at times) job with no issues. The VA 100% Disability scam is a joke. I fully understand and agree with giving servicemen compensation for their injuries in there's long term disability and they're unable to work. But these dudes are claiming all kinds of minor ailments to get to 100%. Sea Bee, Marines, Navy and an Army Admin at a hospital. Someone needs to explain to me how sleep apnea, "chronic tennis elbow," and ingrown toenails qualify for any disability. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:31:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why 70? Why not when you start drawing SS? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree with the guy. Phase out property taxes on the primary residence of home owners 70+. Why 70? Why not when you start drawing SS? Why phase out based on age at all? Statistically, older people are wealthier than younger people. If the argument is how long they paid, then maybe stop after they paid for 20 years on the same property. So it wouldn't matter if they're 40 and bought the house at 20 when they got married, or 75 and bought the house at 55 when they moved there to retire. Paying 20 years is paying 20 years regardless of age, sex, religion, skin color, etc. If the argument is old people don't have kids in local schools, then we should only charge parents school taxes and tax based on the number of children in public school. Charge the resident not the property owner. So it wouldn't matter if they own a house, rent a house, or rent an apartment. Old people who have grandkids "living with them" because they're in a better school district than mom and dad should pay their fair share. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:34:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taxation is theft. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:43:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As someone who fought the local school bond tax hike..I feel this man’s issues. Last Tuesday we had our primary, and ther were 2 bond issues. One to continue a property tax for fire, one for EMS. I voted against both, but both won by a 4 to 1 margin. WTF? Here they use the Bullshit lie It won't raise your taxes. They retire one bond and replace it with another. The suckers lap it up and elections are held in off times so the general public barely pays attention. Mostly school district employees voting. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:44:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect. I currently work with 4, able bodied scam artists who are collecting 100% disability from the VA and they're not paying property taxes. On top of that, they're working a physically demanding (at times) job with no issues. The VA 100% Disability scam is a joke. I fully understand and agree with giving servicemen compensation for their injuries in there's long term disability and they're unable to work. But these dudes are claiming all kinds of minor ailments to get to 100%. Sea Bee, Marines, Navy and an Army Admin at a hospital. Someone needs to explain to me how sleep apnea, "chronic tennis elbow," and ingrown toenails qualify for any disability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you even 100% disabled vet homestead property tax exemption bro? I spoke with a Veterans Affairs rep. about that. She said it's nearly impossible to get that exemption, unless you're a 100% disabled, non-ambulatory vet. So, if you're drawing 100%, but you're not completely broken, poor, and destitute, you're not getting the exemption. Incorrect. I currently work with 4, able bodied scam artists who are collecting 100% disability from the VA and they're not paying property taxes. On top of that, they're working a physically demanding (at times) job with no issues. The VA 100% Disability scam is a joke. I fully understand and agree with giving servicemen compensation for their injuries in there's long term disability and they're unable to work. But these dudes are claiming all kinds of minor ailments to get to 100%. Sea Bee, Marines, Navy and an Army Admin at a hospital. Someone needs to explain to me how sleep apnea, "chronic tennis elbow," and ingrown toenails qualify for any disability. Each state has different rules when it come to paying property taxes and getting the VA disability exemption, from what she has told me is that in MT it's very strict. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:45:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Our prop 2 1/2 has held property taxes down for decades. Naturally, the politicos have been dying to kill it from day one. Mine are at $4800/year which for this state known for its taxes isn't too bad. On most of the real estate estimates, it's valued at $625,000 +/- on 18,500 sq feet which locally is somewhat large.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:50:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why phase out based on age at all? Statistically, older people are wealthier than younger people. If the argument is how long they paid, then maybe stop after they paid for 20 years on the same property. So it wouldn't matter if they're 40 and bought the house at 20 when they got married, or 75 and bought the house at 55 when they moved there to retire. Paying 20 years is paying 20 years regardless of age, sex, religion, skin color, etc. If the argument is old people don't have kids in local schools, then we should only charge parents school taxes and tax based on the number of children in public school. Charge the resident not the property owner. So it wouldn't matter if they own a house, rent a house, or rent an apartment. Old people who have grandkids "living with them" because they're in a better school district than mom and dad should pay their fair share. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree with the guy. Phase out property taxes on the primary residence of home owners 70+. Why 70? Why not when you start drawing SS? Why phase out based on age at all? Statistically, older people are wealthier than younger people. If the argument is how long they paid, then maybe stop after they paid for 20 years on the same property. So it wouldn't matter if they're 40 and bought the house at 20 when they got married, or 75 and bought the house at 55 when they moved there to retire. Paying 20 years is paying 20 years regardless of age, sex, religion, skin color, etc. If the argument is old people don't have kids in local schools, then we should only charge parents school taxes and tax based on the number of children in public school. Charge the resident not the property owner. So it wouldn't matter if they own a house, rent a house, or rent an apartment. Old people who have grandkids "living with them" because they're in a better school district than mom and dad should pay their fair share. I like your 20 year plan. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:50:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Slaughtering Jews in Nazi Germany was legal. It was not moral. Property taxes are legal, they are not moral. Legal and Moral are not always the same thing. The founding fathers whom you quote also declared war on kings and shot people when they believed their taxes were too high. Oh FFS. You're comparing the Holocaust with taxes, which are EXPLICITLY APPROVED in the greatest founding document ever written? You're comparing the American Founders with Nazis? Get outta here with that foolishness. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:53:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh FFS. You're comparing the Holocaust with taxes, which are EXPLICITLY APPROVED in the greatest founding document ever written? You're comparing the American Founders with Nazis? Get outta here with that foolishness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Slaughtering Jews in Nazi Germany was legal. It was not moral. Property taxes are legal, they are not moral. Legal and Moral are not always the same thing. The founding fathers whom you quote also declared war on kings and shot people when they believed their taxes were too high. Oh FFS. You're comparing the Holocaust with taxes, which are EXPLICITLY APPROVED in the greatest founding document ever written? You're comparing the American Founders with Nazis? Get outta here with that foolishness. He didn’t compare the founding fathers to Nazis, he simply pointed out the salient fact that legal and moral are not the same thing. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 5:56:24 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He didn’t compare the founding fathers to Nazis, he simply pointed out the salient fact that legal and moral are not the same thing. ETA: The Founders were a religious and moral people. I trust their judgement on any moral issue more than I trust your judgment, or his. Could I be any clearer about that? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:00:43 PM EDT
[#46]
I hate taxes. All of them.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You midwesterners really get screwed on property taxes. What on earth does OH do with all that money? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this another case of Montana just sat on low rates forever or no? I'm in SW Ohio and I pay $11k for 0.4 acres. You midwesterners really get screwed on property taxes. What on earth does OH do with all that money? Schools. $6k for .5 acres here. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you've lived & worked in a state and paid taxes for X number of years, let's say over 10 years, your property taxes should cease if you're 65 or older. Gov't plans to tax you into homelessness to make room for the tax revenue producer. If you aren't a producer, they prefer that you either leave or die. That's an actual fact, they see you as a financial liability otherwise. County has a $3.5Billion with a a B school budget. Plus we pay personal property taxes on cars, trucks and boats. 6% sales tax as well. Depending on how big a piece of land/improvements, while $8k sucks, could be worse. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:03:05 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hate taxes. All of them. Me too. I hate the fact that I can't eat whatever I want, whenever I want, and how much I want without paying a price for my gluttony. But, I'm an adult and I recognize that reality doesn't revolve around my wants. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 6:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA: The Founders were a religious and moral people. I trust their judgement on any moral issue more than I trust your judgment, or his. Could I be any clearer about that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He didn’t compare the founding fathers to Nazis, he simply pointed out the salient fact that legal and moral are not the same thing. ETA: The Founders were a religious and moral people. I trust their judgement on any moral issue more than I trust your judgment, or his. Could I be any clearer about that? Except that does not change the salient fact that the truth that legal and moral are not the same thing The founders did not do an income tax. They did not do a property tax. |
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