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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23 View Quote True hero. If everyone rushed the shooter more people would have lived. |
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Multiple FBI agencies are currently at a residence home in Bowdoin, Maine, announcing 'FBI, open the door!' A possible manhunt for Robert Card might be nearing its end. There are reports of explosions emanating from the house. https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1717646026369056922 |
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Quoted: would make sense if it was a location they believed the suspect was not at. But they aren't knocking if they suspect he's inside View Quote down the road from the suspects home, neighbors said it's an abandoned home of th suspect brother. Heard "FBI, open the door" followed by a couple of explosions. Helicopters overhead, that aren't on flight radar. |
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Quoted: In the old days drinking it could kill. View Quote |
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Quoted: I kept a 12 ga under the bar when I was a bartender. Mossberg pump fit fine on top of the beer cooler. Easy to grab. View Quote ALE ain’t going to let that happen these days. Even hole in the wall small town bars get surprise visits from them. Eta I see Maine has BABLO but same thing. |
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Multiple FBI agencies are currently at a residence home in Bowdoin, Maine, announcing 'FBI, open the door!' A possible manhunt for Robert Card might be nearing its end. There are reports of explosions emanating from the house. https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1717646026369056922 View Quote |
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Quoted: According to the local media , "Army officials confirmed Thursday that Card has been in the Army Reserve since Dec. 2002. His current rank is Sgt. First Class and is a Petroleum Supply Specialist" View Quote Interestingly, the story on WABI's webpage has been scrubbed. The headline is still there, but it takes you to a different story than the one before which had named the hospital in West Point, NY where he was taken and the infantry unit he was with out there at the time. So far, the original story is still here at: https://buffalonews.com/news/nation-world/police-took-army-reservist-suspected-in-maine-killings-for-evaluation-after-erratic-behavior-in-july/article_f2850920-acbd-5f8a-96a3-19017ac420b6.html But in case it gets scrubbed, The Buffalo News story includes: "LEWISTON, Maine — A U.S. Army reservist suspected of killing at least 18 people in Maine had been taken by police for an evaluation after military officials became concerned that he was acting erratically in mid-July, a U.S. official told The Associated Press. The official said commanders in the Army Reserve's 3rd Battalion, 304th Infantry Regiment became concerned in mid-July that Robert Card was acting erratically while the unit was training at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in New York. The official said military commanders became concerned about Card's safety and asked for the police to be called. New York state police took Card to the Keller Army Community Hospital at West Point for evaluation, the official said." The story continues from there. |
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Quoted: Some places have restrictions on carrying if alcohol is served. My local bowling alley has an on-site bar. Did we get confirmation this was a “gun free” establishment? One would likely be told to leave if discovered unless it Carrie’s weight in ME. Here it does not so I carry my gun into places, in fact a local “entertainment” place that happens to have bowling has one of these signs. I just store it in my bag nearby, just not ideal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I carry right side at 3:00 and I've bowled with the gun in that normal position 3:00 many times. No I don't bowl seriously and regularly. Just once in awhile less and less over the years. But I have bowled plenty of times armed. If I bowl more, I wouldn't change my habits. If I print or someone sees it oh well. I try to conceal but I don't obsess over it. Being armed is more important then offending someone. If its illegal, then I totally get abstaining. Some places have restrictions on carrying if alcohol is served. My local bowling alley has an on-site bar. Did we get confirmation this was a “gun free” establishment? One would likely be told to leave if discovered unless it Carrie’s weight in ME. Here it does not so I carry my gun into places, in fact a local “entertainment” place that happens to have bowling has one of these signs. I just store it in my bag nearby, just not ideal. |
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Wonder what drugs they gave him after he went in for his mental health?
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Multiple FBI agencies are currently at a residence home in Bowdoin, Maine, announcing 'FBI, open the door!' A possible manhunt for Robert Card might be nearing its end. There are reports of explosions emanating from the house. https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1717646026369056922 View Quote Dude's accent is heavy..."Open the dough-ah" |
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One of his Facebook pictures has a logo on his shirt backwards. A Google search shows that the logo belongs to a Horseshoe league. I'm thinking it's a pretty fair bet he played in the corn hole league at the bowling alley.
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Quoted: I'm not sure of Maine law but it used to be in NH you could not carry in a place that served alcohol. I was thinking that may be part of the reason he hit those places. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I was thinking that may be part of the reason he hit those places. Gun free zones shouldn't exist |
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Quoted: You got that right. He was left defenseless when he needed it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23 Balls of steel… he tried his best. May he rest in peace. You got that right. He was left defenseless when he needed it. Sounds like carrying wasn't illegal so it was everyone's own choice to be disarmed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 View Quote Nope, not a way if you're an advanced bowler.....Any gun concealed on your waistband would be seen by other bowlers pretty easily. A Miami rig with overshirt maybe but that would be cumbersome as fuck bowling, I'm guessing your idea of bowling is breaking a 100? Go watch some videos of pros and even advanced league bowlers, not sure where you'd have the gun on you where other bowlers wouldn't see it. Best option would be a BUG in some baggy pants or keeping it in your bag nearby. Don't tell me your have a shower or shitter gun? View Quote Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. |
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Quoted: bullshit, this would be a no nock obviously View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not verified:
Barricaded suspect. Has nothing to do with a warrant's wording. It would have everything to do with not having a half dozen LEOs received gunfire storming into there. |
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Quoted: Sounds like carrying wasn't illegal so it was everyone's own choice to be disarmed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23 Balls of steel… he tried his best. May he rest in peace. You got that right. He was left defenseless when he needed it. Sounds like carrying wasn't illegal so it was everyone's own choice to be disarmed. Carrying at the bowling alley would be legal, carrying at the bar would not. |
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Looks like a counter is needed for #ItsTheGuns that's trending.
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Reporter near the house (which is his Dad's apparently):
https://www.newsnationnow.com/news-nation-live/ ETA: they moved on to some douchebag politician. |
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Quoted: I have tried a pair of CCW Breakways. They have some design problmes that need to be addressed . They don't look right for use. They moved the gun forward in the pants so it is more to the inside of the thigh. No problem with comfort and use; but the weight of the psitol will pull the front of the pants at the closure down from under your belt. It look stupid. I have a seamstress working on a solution and if it works I will share with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah maybe but that stuff looks horrible. Point is that’s impossible to stay strapped at all times. The one dude who ran down the lane into ‘the pit’ to get away was thinking. Again, this is a time for all of us to reflect on what we’re doing and not doing. RIP for the Victims…. I have tried a pair of CCW Breakways. They have some design problmes that need to be addressed . They don't look right for use. They moved the gun forward in the pants so it is more to the inside of the thigh. No problem with comfort and use; but the weight of the psitol will pull the front of the pants at the closure down from under your belt. It look stupid. I have a seamstress working on a solution and if it works I will share with them. Tagged for interest. PM me if it works out! |
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Quoted: Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 Nope, not a way if you're an advanced bowler.....Any gun concealed on your waistband would be seen by other bowlers pretty easily. A Miami rig with overshirt maybe but that would be cumbersome as fuck bowling, I'm guessing your idea of bowling is breaking a 100? Go watch some videos of pros and even advanced league bowlers, not sure where you'd have the gun on you where other bowlers wouldn't see it. Best option would be a BUG in some baggy pants or keeping it in your bag nearby. Don't tell me your have a shower or shitter gun? Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. |
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I guess they suspect he's in some outbuilding on that farm at Meadow Rd.
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Quoted: Carrying at the bowling alley would be legal, carrying at the bar would not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23 Balls of steel… he tried his best. May he rest in peace. You got that right. He was left defenseless when he needed it. Sounds like carrying wasn't illegal so it was everyone's own choice to be disarmed. Carrying at the bowling alley would be legal, carrying at the bar would not. I don't think I have ever been to a bowling alley that did not serve alcohol. Depending on how the ME statute is written it may be illegal to carry in any place that even serves it. I know in FL I can carry in a restaurant that has a bar in it, I just can't go to the bar itself. Even if they will bring drinks to your table it is legal to be there, just not at the bar itself. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was thinking that may be part of the reason he hit those places. Gun free zones shouldn't exist Those who erect them should be liable for the defense of those who come onto their premises. You go out of your way to disarm people, you should be held responsible for what happens because you disarmed them. |
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Quoted: When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 Nope, not a way if you're an advanced bowler.....Any gun concealed on your waistband would be seen by other bowlers pretty easily. A Miami rig with overshirt maybe but that would be cumbersome as fuck bowling, I'm guessing your idea of bowling is breaking a 100? Go watch some videos of pros and even advanced league bowlers, not sure where you'd have the gun on you where other bowlers wouldn't see it. Best option would be a BUG in some baggy pants or keeping it in your bag nearby. Don't tell me your have a shower or shitter gun? Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. Always looking for options I’ll check them out |
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Quoted: It was a bit of a shock after over twenty years in the business to be told we are NOT shooting to stop the threat, we are shooting to kill. I understand and have even advocated for a more "infantry" mindset dealing with active shooters, but I never expected to be told by an LEO trainer at an official class that it is now state policy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my latest active shooter training we were actually taught to do anchor shots. We were told it is now state policy, put out by our Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, that any son of a bitch that tries to kill kids in a school in Florida is not going to survive the attempt. The thinking is we will be by ourselves until law enforcement arrives so we have to make sure the attacker is dead in case there is a second attacker we have to go deal with. I had same training It was a bit of a shock after over twenty years in the business to be told we are NOT shooting to stop the threat, we are shooting to kill. I understand and have even advocated for a more "infantry" mindset dealing with active shooters, but I never expected to be told by an LEO trainer at an official class that it is now state policy. Yeah I would think under the right circumstances a DA would throw you under the bus for “shooting to kill.” I totally get the concept and agree a POS shooter should be killed, but Chauvin was taught the neck hold in LEO training and that didn’t stop the DA from saying his training killed Floyd. |
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Quoted: Those who erect them should be liable for the defense of those who come onto their premises. You go out of your way to disarm people, you should be held responsible for what happens because you disarmed them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was thinking that may be part of the reason he hit those places. Gun free zones shouldn't exist Those who erect them should be liable for the defense of those who come onto their premises. You go out of your way to disarm people, you should be held responsible for what happens because you disarmed them. “That’s why we have signs” and “that’s the police’s job” are the usual cop outs. |
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Quoted: Stephen King weighs in 'The shootings occurred less than 50 miles from where I live. I went to high school in Lisbon. It's the rapid-fire killing machines, people. This is madness in the name of freedom. Stop electing apologists for murder.' View Quote You have to be living in some alternate universe to be able to look at events like these and continue to say 'it's the gun's fault'. It's just such a violation of base logic that it's hard to even grasp. I don't see any pulling out of this nosedive. |
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Quoted: Always looking for options I’ll check them out View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 Nope, not a way if you're an advanced bowler.....Any gun concealed on your waistband would be seen by other bowlers pretty easily. A Miami rig with overshirt maybe but that would be cumbersome as fuck bowling, I'm guessing your idea of bowling is breaking a 100? Go watch some videos of pros and even advanced league bowlers, not sure where you'd have the gun on you where other bowlers wouldn't see it. Best option would be a BUG in some baggy pants or keeping it in your bag nearby. Don't tell me your have a shower or shitter gun? Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. Always looking for options I’ll check them out If you wear it under a button-down shirt and opt for a subcompact pistol, they work extremely well imo. |
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Quoted: You have to be living in some alternate universe to be able to look at events like these and continue to say 'it's the gun's fault'. It's just such a violation of base logic that it's hard to even grasp. I don't see any pulling out of this nosedive. View Quote The joke is on you for expecting them to be logical. They know what they're doing and laugh when people try to make sense of it. It's an agenda pure and simple. The same people who want to disarm you have personal security or are simply useful idiots. |
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Quoted: I don't think I have ever been to a bowling alley that did not serve alcohol. Depending on how the ME statute is written it may be illegal to carry in any place that even serves it. I know in FL I can carry in a restaurant that has a bar in it, I just can't go to the bar itself. Even if they will bring drinks to your table it is legal to be there, just not at the bar itself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23 Balls of steel… he tried his best. May he rest in peace. You got that right. He was left defenseless when he needed it. Sounds like carrying wasn't illegal so it was everyone's own choice to be disarmed. Carrying at the bowling alley would be legal, carrying at the bar would not. I don't think I have ever been to a bowling alley that did not serve alcohol. Depending on how the ME statute is written it may be illegal to carry in any place that even serves it. I know in FL I can carry in a restaurant that has a bar in it, I just can't go to the bar itself. Even if they will bring drinks to your table it is legal to be there, just not at the bar itself. That's how it is here too |
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Quoted: When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I know I’m the exception not the rule but it’s not hard to carry while doing things like that. A quality holster and belt with some thought at wardrobe selection it’s fairly easy to not be seen carrying while also not looking like Gecko45 Nope, not a way if you're an advanced bowler.....Any gun concealed on your waistband would be seen by other bowlers pretty easily. A Miami rig with overshirt maybe but that would be cumbersome as fuck bowling, I'm guessing your idea of bowling is breaking a 100? Go watch some videos of pros and even advanced league bowlers, not sure where you'd have the gun on you where other bowlers wouldn't see it. Best option would be a BUG in some baggy pants or keeping it in your bag nearby. Don't tell me your have a shower or shitter gun? Sorry the belt and holster part was for your comment about carrying in general and more often. Bowling maybe one of the exception to carrying on the waistband maybe it can’t work in that instance. Im no professional bowler and will never claim to be, people I see in my area typically wear casual attire from what I’ve seen. A pocket gun in a pocket holster would look like a wallet. You said yourself you could maybe put it in your bag sometimes on body doesn’t work. I typically wouldn’t say off body’s good but in that particular situation there’s people who you know very well with your bag when you aren’t. I think based on movement requirements a shoulder holster would be a poor choice. No I don’t have a shower/toilet gun but I’ve carried in lots of so called non-permissive environments and I do carry at home so even doing those things there’s likely one close. I’ve seen far to many bad things happen to be left defenseless if I can help it. It absolutely takes work to do and it takes more than one option to do it with. Don’t take that as me saying anyone should break the law to do it. When belt carry and pocket carry are out, a 5.11 holster shirt is the answer. I've bowled plenty of times while carrying a PM9 in a pocket holster in the right front pocket... |
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