Yep, the whole town would form a posse.

If he’s hearing voices in his head, why would his getting hearing aids even be relevant? How is a device outside of the head even able to affect a process inside the brain when there is no outside stimulus needed in that process?

I bet the LEO's will get a workout when deer season opens and gunshots start.

Probably just the timing. To a crazy person he’s not hearing voices in his head, he’s actually hearing them and it may correlate, at least to him, to when he got new hearing aids.

Just a correlation, doesn't mean a causation. Maybe it was really happening before but he could save face by blaming it on the hearing aids. Maybe like someone suggested earlier he really was a douche and people did talk behind his back because they knew he couldn't hear them before and the relative was just trying to calm him. No one really knows and no one has all the truthful info.

Also important to recognize that stress inoculation fades over time. We might not react now in the same way we remember reacting to a stimulus 10 years ago.

Im 1.5hrs away, and a few Dunks have no donuts today because the bakery in that town is closed.

If you’d watch some of the interviews, the bartender grabbed a knife and charged him before being shot and in the bowling alley a survivor told the story of two men making sure families were down and then charged him unarmed and were both killed.  

Yes, doesn’t look like any one was carrying, but it does sound like at both places people ran toward and were killed

Hope it doesn't become another Vegas-like enigma.

Timing maybe. Maybe the clarity he got from the hearing aids made the already existing internal dialogue louder and he couldn't ignore it anymore. Maybe got off his meds and it was a side effect. Could be a number of things

Press conference with actual info going on now:

This guy back on page 45 says the whole town was talking about him.  I'll admit the guy in the video doesn't seem completely credible, but I'm not going to ignore what he said just because he leads an alternative lifestyle.

The hearing aids aren't relevant other than they gave him something else to fixate upon.

Rudolph had help from his supporters by giving him food and water in the woods. Nobody is going to help this guy.

No

Hopefully he fucked up his suicide and is agonizingly fading away as we speak - with rats gnawing on his nuts.

The amount of “LES” information that’s pumped out by various JRIC’s across the country that reference violent threats by mentally disturbed people is astounding. They could say the sun will rise on 11 December 2027 and it would come true.

There’s no need for a conspiracy, it’s a large and well known problem and you don’t need to be a fortune teller to predict the behaviors we’re seeing.

Shhhhhhhh, Hot Pockets is on a roll...

Lots of businesses, public buildings and schools still locked down/closed in my area


If I could, I would be. What do you think will happen if armed citizens go out and join the feds and local LEO in the manhunt, in 2023?

Happens quite a bit. Decent white knighting attempt, though.

He shot up a town 15 or 20 miles from that guy.  Nobody in Lewiston gave a damn about this guy enough to talk about him.

One difference was back in the day the cops would have welcomed the help and now they would discourage it and possibly end up shooting people in the woods looking on their own.

Back then the cops were less equipped and staffed and there would have been a lot less of them and they would have needed the manpower. Today there is already hundreds of cops looking for him.

I haven't the will power to read through 69 pages. Did they get um yet?

The title and OP are updated.

Thats exactly what schizophrenia does. Look it up on youtube. Schizophrenics do vids to share their experiences when they're off their meds. They literally hear voices they think are coming from other people around them, telling then they suck, or they're worthless, an asshole, etc....

No argument with any of that here.

But back in the day, before the massive law enforcement RESPONSE we didn't have these shootings did we?

And the people looking for this guy right now are the same people who would arrest you if they had ever found you armed in that bowling alley in the first place.

I'll take "back in the day" anytime.

Just curious, has the Army said that he was retired or is that going off of the Facebook convo? If he put in his retirement packet and then went mental at a following drill the unit could hammer the hell out of him and kick him out instead of retiring him. I’d not like retiring is an instant thing. Took my packet almost a year to go through the process. If he got booted instead of retired it might explain the threats against the guard unit.

That was a solid press conference.

I don't think it really is. Like I said earlier when people with mental illness experience auditory hallucinations earplugs/muffs make them worse where as making ambient noise louder helps.

Motive, we're talking motive here.

For every 'out of the blue' crazy white guy violennt outburst I bet 'wimmin issues' are at the heart of it most of the time.

Or maybe he's been a loonie for a long time, but he has a son , the son would know more

Did anything ever come to light about the child porn stuff? Was that indeed him and was it a felony(I have no clue if all child porn stuff is a felony)?

There is just so much fucked up stuff in this case.

Ignore? Perhaps not but rest assured that the majority of alternate lifestyle folks have an anti-gun agenda and they make sure to never let a crisis go to waste.

They're also, for the most part raging liberals and lying to further their agenda is a common modus-operandi of the left.  Ends justify the means and all that jazz.

Is this guy lying? Who knows but I'd say that the odds are that he is.  I'd like to see who corroborates his story.

(im not trained in any way on this, i just read a lot)

So I've kind of lumped crime into 2 groups, social and anti social(great book about it "scaling force") but social is in some way based on social standing (he dissed me, made me look bad, jumped into gang, she made me look bad so i raped her) IE there is a social gain of some sort perceived or actual from the actions. Polar bear hunting isnt done solo or without a camera, flash loot mobs are group activities and people know each other(plus they get free whatever);   A LA Blood gangbanger is going to go to San Antonio and shoot up the Crips there to get respect on the corner of Florance and Normandy in east LA; he will go to some local street and target local targets would it accomplish the mission of "kill Crips" yes, would it get social status increase, no; plus you coudlnt brag about it ) and antisocial (i wanted those sneakers so i stabbed him to make him sit still and took them, I wanted the bag of money so i shot the bank guard.. ect). A path from A to B, though warped is comprehensible; heck even Mansen had a path from A to B, he wanted race war so he tried to start is with a gruesome murder spree via cult; had he planted some of those pick combs and a black panther beret at the scene he might have gotten more traction, IIRC he did some graffiti in blood that was pro black panthers.  In this case the path isnt really there, but he apparently perceives a path. News is reporting that his family is saying he "heard" people at those two places talking bad about him through his new hearing aids.


So a "normal" person would be having some serious guilt at this point, and thus suicide is "the only way out" etc. I don't think he accidentally in a fit of rage shot up 2 different miles apart venues.  Based on this guy being literally a formerly committed nut case, im going to say that he doesn't 100% understand that he gunned down innocent people. So i'm betting against suicide.

I think that he somehow has decided he is in a weird "They Live" world (sunglasses for him alone) and he alone has seen the "others" and "done right" . So a E&E/hit and run thing might very well be on the table as an option for him as he see things. We don't know what his objectives are, with a street corner drug beef there is a combination of social status and economic gain that results in shootings; there are somewhat defined objectives for those shootings. Right wrong, whatever there is a "reason" , in this case the reason appears to be completely perceivable by him alone. So based on that i cant imagine that we will have an easy time defining it.

I mean look at the basics of the movie "They Live" from the average person view (no glasses, don't know about aliens), 2 random nut jobs killed cops, shot up bank, stormed a TV station and shot it up killing dozens , , then were shot...  doesnt make sense to outsiders, but to the "insiders who hear the voices" it made complete sense. I'm thinking this will be a long drawn out saga.  

That was the wrong guy.

Double post

Yeah bet that is postponed or canceled there this year if they dont find him by then.

It seems like this guy went off the rails over a pretty short period of time decently late in life. I’m really surprised there wasn’t events that occurred outside the past year that would lend a clue to his mental deterioration. I mean there’s no way he’s a E-7 in a fueler unit and hasn’t had to deal with mind numbing stupidity. How he hasn’t snapped before now is surprising I guess. I’m no SME though.

They don’t think like that because mass shootings are very rare.

Most “civvies” aren’t fighting a war, so yeah….

Yeah.  Manhunt day.  That would work great.

“alternative lifestyle”

The guy coincidentally knows the parties, says all the correct talking point buzzwords, and talks like no Mainer I have met before.

This, and looking for a psychotic 40yr old man armed with a rifle is not exactly something elderly people should be out doing.

Different guy entirely

Several news sources are reporting that he used a 308 rifle, so technically it wasn't an AR-15.  Not that it matters...  

They better get the word out right away then, it opens for residents tomorrow

All those people during the attack and none of them were carrying, if there is any lesson to be learned by the sheep it is to always carry.  If you love your family you should do your duty and protect them with a gun, not hopelessly run into a gunfight screaming with your empty hands only to get mowed down, damn it people will never learn from this though.  Sorry but real life is not some Mayberry fantasy land, there are bad people out there and they will kill you and everyone you love without hesitating.

If there are signs posted against carry and they don't provide multiple layers of armed security then they don't give a damn about my life so they don't get my money.

The manhunt day was a joke. I've seen the PA hunters buck fever. Terrible shots.

As I sit on this mill, I watch the door for movement. I'm always waiting. Complacency and stupidity kill. Head on a swivel. Even as I type. Not everyone's like that tho. I never turned mine off and became "comfortable".

Like was said before...trying to disarm us, to teach kids that guns are bad, to not be prepared, it makes the masses soft. They should have classes on self defense in high school, not how the effing SQUARE DANCE or whatever they pick. We need to harden up. Utopia is dangerous.

@haveblue83 shut up. Two men ran towards the guy and died at the bowling alley and the manager is Schmengees grabbed a knife and tried to stop him.

My mom's illness didn't really manifest until her late thirties.  Well past where typical schizophrenia is supposed to happen.  I'm convinced the trauma of my dad's suicide helped to kick it into full-blown madness.  Did the guy suffer anything traumatic in the last few years?

Life in America, or anywhere else, has never been perfectly safe. Life is risk. Period.
You just need to maintain perspective. American children are, in all likelihood, safer in bowling alleys than they are at home.

We are still deep in fog of war stuff, don't believe the stories you hear, especially the ones that you like.

Why have all these elite swat units and tac'd up gear chicks walking around in mraps? Ounce of prevention vs pound of cure might be more prudent, meaning let all men of morals like we should have, be armed.