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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:08:49 AM EST
[#1]
I don't get it.
Instead of improving on a 1911 (difficult but possible) and a plastic fantastic, they appear to have taken some of the worst features of each and jammed them into one gun. They could have made a copy of the (unobtanium) DWX, in that size with the alloy frame and no retarded dingus on the trigger or goofy modular, cobbled together grip. I would have bought at least two. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:08:59 AM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: yep, I'd snap that up right away Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh not great looking. Should make smaller DA/SA style carry guns to compete with the Shield Plus and Glock 43x and Sig 365 and so forth. If they could do a Walther P99 DA/SA style gun, but Shield Plus size, that would be great. yep, I'd snap that up right away I want more DAO guns |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:15:43 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it's not. Guy who got the gun tried it. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:17:25 AM EST
[#4]
In terms of size, capacity and (presumed) weight, I’m not seeing any advantages this design has over the Shield Plus
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:19:24 AM EST
[#5]
Did anyone contact these guys about that name
ETA: went to drop the kids at the pool and was beat to the picture 
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:22:32 AM EST
[#6]
Sao? Eww
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:26:20 AM EST
[#7]
would like rail and 5 inch barrel
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:26:40 AM EST
[#8]
Just stoked to see a new carry-oriented SAO gun coming to market.
DAO striker fired is where the market has gone. (Hell, even including me most days). I'd like to see an alloy (or even polymer) new modern take on the 1903 Pocket Hammerless. SAO, striker fired, 9x19 with the new "stack-and-a-half" magazine hotness. Like the R51.... but actually functional. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:26:57 AM EST
[#9]
This might be just the thing to replace that Remington model 51 which I never got around to buying.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:33:23 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stoked to see a new carry-oriented SAO gun coming to market. DAO striker fired is where the market has gone. (Hell, even including me most days). I'd like to see an alloy (or even polymer) new modern take on the 1903 Pocket Hammerless. SAO, striker fired, 9x19 with the new "stack-and-a-half" magazine hotness. Like the R51.... but actually functional. I would spend stupid amounts of money for a modern 1903 in 9mm…as long as it looked like a 1903. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:35:55 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain. I've had many S&Ws and not had that issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Really wish they would fix that false reset that some of their semi autos seem to have. Explain. I've had many S&Ws and not had that issue. Do you have one of their M&P semi autos? |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:37:26 AM EST
[#12]
No optic, no care.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:37:44 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point in time, why are any companies bringing out new designs that don't incorporate a slide cut for an optic? Maybe most people who buy pistols don't even know what an RMR is? I figure that if a new line shows good sales with John Q, they will make a cut one for the few who do RMR. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:42:16 AM EST
[#14]
Where the fuck is the optics cut
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:51:07 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cause some folks don’t want or need an optic! Sales numbers will tell.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:At this point in time, why are any companies bringing out new designs that don't incorporate a slide cut for an optic? Cause some folks don’t want or need an optic! Sales numbers will tell. Standard sales gimmick now, sell a shitload without options, then offer options in subsequent releases. More sales, people who bought first, sell and buy latest version. That's why it's best to wait for the version you actually want. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 9:54:52 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Standard sales gimmick now, sell a shitload without options, then offer options in subsequent releases. More sales, people who bought first, sell and buy latest version. That's why it's best to wait for the version you actually want. Yep, kind of like when Glock released the 43X and 48 with a silver slide. Everyone wanted black of course, but bought the silver since that was all there was, until of course they released black later on. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:02:09 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stoked to see a new carry-oriented SAO gun coming to market. DAO striker fired is where the market has gone. (Hell, even including me most days). I'd like to see an alloy (or even polymer) new modern take on the 1903 Pocket Hammerless. SAO, striker fired, 9x19 with the new "stack-and-a-half" magazine hotness. Like the R51.... but actually functional. That's basically the Shield EZ. They hide the hammer under the slide. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:06:21 AM EST
[#18]
I kind of think it could be a new EZ9ish pistol. Looks like it has the wider slide wings in the back, being hammer fired it can be easier to cycle by hand. The double safeties are also a bonus for people who want a safer ( if you think 2 safeties is good ) gun. Also gets them away from the grip safety and non existent extra ez9 mags to a more common mag.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:07:19 AM EST
[#19]
Nope
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:10:05 AM EST
[#20]
Cost.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:14:35 AM EST
[#21]
I like it, except for the trigger safety.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:16:10 AM EST
[#22]
The hell’s up with that trigger??
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:18:52 AM EST
[#23]
Bonus points if it takes M&P 9 mags. Probably doesn’t though.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:19:17 AM EST
[#24]
Plastic hammer?
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:19:31 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cost. Not released. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:20:14 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda like it….. This. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:20:57 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a writer/media demo gun,.....I assume has to follow standard FFL background checks to receive the gun for testing. Spitballing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I've seen some social media of reviews teasing this pistol. Showing a box but blurring its content. Some guy on Reddit posted this pic and info. Said he was just a normal gun shop employee. Wonder if it was sent to the shop by mistake. Either way, might be some NDAs being broken. There is zero info on the pistol out so far. Or a writer/media demo gun,.....I assume has to follow standard FFL background checks to receive the gun for testing. Spitballing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:23:07 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just stoked to see a new carry-oriented SAO gun coming to market. DAO striker fired is where the market has gone. (Hell, even including me most days). I'd like to see an alloy (or even polymer) new modern take on the 1903 Pocket Hammerless. SAO, striker fired, 9x19 with the new "stack-and-a-half" magazine hotness. Like the R51.... but actually functional. Just wish they were actually DAO like the p250 or at least were smooth like kahrs |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:26:45 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wish they were actually DAO like the p250 or at least were smooth like kahrs Kahr does make a damn magical DAO trigger. You ever shoot SIGs DAK trigger? It's pretty nice. Not my cup of tee for an auto, but it is a nice trigger. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:28:45 AM EST
[#30]
Needs moar optics cut and less trigger dinguses.
Otherwise looks good. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:29:30 AM EST
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:30:22 AM EST
[#32]
Hmmm.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:33:43 AM EST
[#33]
Wonder if this is S&W’s foray into a chassis based trigger system? Was the SN on the frame or in a window (not a great tell, since M&Ps are viewable in a window)
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:34:47 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that an alloy frame, with changeable backstraps ? Condition one compact 9? If under $600 its on.. Under $600? …I’d be very surprised |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:36:22 AM EST
[#35]
meh, i don't like it
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:38:20 AM EST
[#36]
Sao with a trigger penis?
 Redundant safeties make me sad. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:40:06 AM EST
[#37]
The size of this thing looks to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the original Shield or maybe a G48.
I also think S&W expects this to be a niche product for enthusiasts, not a world beating carry gun that will dominate the market. And with the way so many guns are basically all the same, it's good to see someone try something different. I'll withhold judgement until I get one in my hands. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:40:37 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder if this is S&W’s foray into a chassis based trigger system? Was the SN on the frame or in a window (not a great tell, since M&Ps are viewable in a window) I'd be shocked if they did that with a SAO FCG. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:42:16 AM EST
[#39]
Looks nice other than that trigger.
I wouldn’t get one unless it were a steel frame too (either nitrided or stainless). I’m just not that interested in aluminum frame guns. Never have been. Both polymer and steel are more resilient and wear better. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:46:54 AM EST
[#40]
Looks like an M and P that's sao hammer instead of striker. There's a market for that?
Sig sold some 220s that were sao, I have one, but I don't think there was a big demand. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:48:08 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But why? The odd in-between of a Shield and M&P. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Info And images are leaking. 9mm. 10 and 12 rd mags. SAO. Ambi. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222048/7ACB8527-6698-4EC1-91D9-B2D49ED2EB4B_jpe-2221704.JPG But why? The odd in-between of a Shield and M&P. yeah, I don't get it. I'm an ardent M&P guy but nobody asked for THIS. It looks.... unnecessary. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:48:39 AM EST
[#42]
I have the strangest boner right now
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:49:32 AM EST
[#43]
Looks like a mini USP...
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:49:36 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like an M and P that's sao hammer instead of striker. There's a market for that? Many people here, including me, wanted them to return to the sa/da market. It seems like they compromised, and created something that nobody wanted. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:49:47 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be shocked if they did that with a SAO FCG. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder if this is S&W’s foray into a chassis based trigger system? Was the SN on the frame or in a window (not a great tell, since M&Ps are viewable in a window) I'd be shocked if they did that with a SAO FCG. Yeah, agree. It was a thought that popped into my head on the 3rd or 4th ogling of the image.  It just reminds me of the aluminum grip module for the P320. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:49:50 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sao with a trigger penis? Redundant safeties make me sad. You walk up to the 1911 section of the gun store and just point and laugh, don't you? |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:51:26 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point in time, why are any companies bringing out new designs that don't incorporate a slide cut for an optic? Because the vast majority of pistols sold will never have an optic and cutting the slide increases cost that a lot of buyers don’t want. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:53:42 AM EST
[#48]
Yes.
Shame that Glock is beaten to this by Smith. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:56:26 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cause some folks don’t want or need an optic! Sales numbers will tell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:At this point in time, why are any companies bringing out new designs that don't incorporate a slide cut for an optic? Cause some folks don’t want or need an optic! Sales numbers will tell. @ceetee I’m with ya. No reason not to have a factory cut/plate. It’s got to be fairly cheap for the cut to be made in the manufacturing process. I’m also wondering when more manufacturers will follow the Laugo Alien/Taurus TX comp barrel mounted red dot configurations. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 10:56:38 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point in time, why are any companies bringing out new designs that don't incorporate a slide cut for an optic? Especially if that new design is SAO |
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