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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:17:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The new tire construction has helped the car considerably. interesting take. have they stated so ? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:20:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  That’s awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
That’s awesome. Haha, awesome! I gotta say I wanted to hate Piastri for what appeared to be arrogance with the drama llama Alpine stuff. But his driving, calm and fair demeanor are really growing on me. The kid is hard to NOT like! |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:25:31 AM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:33:16 AM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:34:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha, awesome! I gotta say I wanted to hate Piastri for what appeared to be arrogance with the drama llama Alpine stuff. But his driving, calm and fair demeanor are really growing on me. The kid is hard to NOT like! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
That’s awesome. Haha, awesome! I gotta say I wanted to hate Piastri for what appeared to be arrogance with the drama llama Alpine stuff. But his driving, calm and fair demeanor are really growing on me. The kid is hard to NOT like! I feel the same about Lando. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 10:35:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel the same about Lando. me too. he is my favorite one on the grid |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:01:41 AM EST
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He nearly knocked max’s trophy over last race doing that. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 11:38:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Umm, no. Not even close. The Ferrari pace is slower than either Merc. And since we are honest today, I come back to this. I still maintain that leclerc could have undercut Hamilton and would have been ahead of him for a few laps without the botched pit stop, but you are 100% correct that leclerc would have been eaten alive by Hamilton within a few laps and had no chance to finish ahead of him with clean stops and no penalties. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:01:21 PM EST
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Oof
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:38:23 PM EST
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Lando breaking the trophy Max received for breaking a record McLaren held since 1988 is the most poetic thing ever.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:41:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know they are trying to increase visibility in poor conditions because of a few crashes, but wouldn't something like this keep the water on the track and keep the racing line from drying? No. It would stop the massive sling and rooster tails. The tire / tire treads themselves are still displacing about 20gal a water a second. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:43:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, this guy knows. I’m cheering for Hamilturd to have an extended fire suit test. 8654 Pretty shit take. We all have drivers we like and don't like. Wishing a driver would die because you don't like them is abhorrent. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:52:54 PM EST
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On the West Coast. Just finishing watching the race.
Snoozer .... All the action happened in Lap 1. Slowish start by the Hamilton on Pole. Drops to 4th by T2. Zhou terrible start off the line. Kamikaze's T1. Hit's a RBR2. RBR2 pinballs and hits an Alpine. Alpine 1 being hit slams into Alpine 2. Both cars out of race. By lap 15, Max checks out by +5 seconds. The AMG suffers overheating problems thorough and Hamilton has to back off. McLaren's play doe-si-doe. Piastri loses his first 2nd podium finish. By the end of the race, Max wins by +33 seconds. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 12:56:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think this could explain something ? https://i.servimg.com/u/f23/11/94/71/06/93597710.jpg https://i.servimg.com/u/f23/11/94/71/06/ba74fe10.jpg Exactly. McLaren pulled a Racing Point. It's now a Mclaren Bull |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:08:31 PM EST
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Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but given how long it’s taken Lewis to sign a new contract at Mercedes I’m almost hesitant to say that this picture (1 of 6 he just posted on instagram) is a hint at retirement?
“Hanging up his overalls” is an expression used to describe when a driver retires  Attached FileIm probably wrong but just a thought I had |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:15:28 PM EST
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Quote History“Hanging up his overalls” is an expression used to describe when a driver retires We can only hope. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:24:53 PM EST
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Listening to the Ferrari radio bits they play during the races, I get the impression that Carlos is taking more control of his race strategy than Charles is. When Ferrari tells Carlos something regarding strategy, he’ll say that’s not right, or he doesn’t agree, and the team usually goes along with him. With Charles, he seems more dependent on the team and usually does what they say without argument, or minimal pushback. At least, that’s the impressions I’ve been getting for a number of races now. Of course, they don’t play all of the radio. Also, after the races or qualifying, Charles seems to whine more than Carlos about the team.
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:32:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but given how long it’s taken Lewis to sign a new contract at Mercedes I’m almost hesitant to say that this picture (1 of 6 he just posted on instagram) is a hint at retirement? “Hanging up his overalls” is an expression used to describe when a driver retires https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/IMG_2920_png-2895653.JPG Im probably wrong but just a thought I had Filed under “for what it is worth”…
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:33:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but given how long it’s taken Lewis to sign a new contract at Mercedes I’m almost hesitant to say that this picture (1 of 6 he just posted on instagram) is a hint at retirement? “Hanging up his overalls” is an expression used to describe when a driver retires https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/IMG_2920_png-2895653.JPG Im probably wrong but just a thought I had Honestly, I don’t know what he’s waiting for on a contract. Promises from Merc that they’ll make the car better? I’m 100% sure they are trying as hard as they can to make the car better, and that push isn’t going to change whether he races or not. Money? I doubt that’s a problem. More wokeness support? My guess is that Merc has offered up all of the support that they are going to offer up. Pretty much suspect that Merc has offered him the best they are going to give, so holding out isn’t likely going to get him anything more. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 1:35:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listening to the Ferrari radio bits they play during the races, I get the impression that Carlos is taking more control of his race strategy than Charles is. When Ferrari tells Carlos something regarding strategy, he’ll say that’s not right, or he doesn’t agree, and the team usually goes along with him. With Charles, he seems more dependent on the team and usually does what they say without argument, or minimal pushback. At least, that’s the impressions I’ve been getting for a number of races now. Of course, they don’t play all of the radio. Also, after the races or qualifying, Charles seems to whine more than Carlos about the team. It’s all a microcosm of the absolute mess that is Ferrari. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:17:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the heck happened to Piastri? Same thing that happened to Norris, tires were going. Norris was just better to his tires.l and got a few more laps out of them before he started slowing |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:48:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty shit take. We all have drivers we like and don't like. Wishing a driver would die because you don't like them is abhorrent. About par for the course here anymore. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:52:20 PM EST
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Wasn't a thrill a minute race but I liked it.
AggroCheco was fun to watch. I'm liking McLaren, Zak is fun, the drivers are racing hard and working like a team. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 2:56:44 PM EST
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Alpine are asking for a special dispensation because their power unit sucks.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-to-discuss-engine-equalisation-move/10498907/ |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:20:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but given how long it’s taken Lewis to sign a new contract at Mercedes I’m almost hesitant to say that this picture (1 of 6 he just posted on instagram) is a hint at retirement? “Hanging up his overalls” is an expression used to describe when a driver retires https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/334296/IMG_2920_png-2895653.JPG Im probably wrong but just a thought I had With the car's improvements the last 3/4 races after they FINALLY incorporated his input, and performance tracking in the right direction, I think he'll sign. They're simply trying to settle on a number to retain his services and at what term length. It has become evident the last 27 races that Russell is very good, he's just not Hamilton good. So letting him walk would be shooting themselves in the foot and not helping their cause. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:22:48 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Alpine are asking for a special dispensation because their power unit sucks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-to-discuss-engine-equalisation-move/10498907/ 4 years ago, Red Bull ask for and received the same thing from the FIA. In fact, they got the entire field's engine development frozen per their request. The they snuck in a new Honda PU and the FIA allowed it. Would love to see if there's parity for Alpine this time around. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:22:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listening to the Ferrari radio bits they play during the races, I get the impression that Carlos is taking more control of his race strategy than Charles is. When Ferrari tells Carlos something regarding strategy, he’ll say that’s not right, or he doesn’t agree, and the team usually goes along with him. With Charles, he seems more dependent on the team and usually does what they say without argument, or minimal pushback. At least, that’s the impressions I’ve been getting for a number of races now. Of course, they don’t play all of the radio. Also, after the races or qualifying, Charles seems to whine more than Carlos about the team. Today, at least, Charles asked the strategist about doing something that was not planned, and he was denied. Charles may complain more but he also gets screwed by the team 100% more than sainz, to be honest |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:24:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Listening to the Ferrari radio bits they play during the races, I get the impression that Carlos is taking more control of his race strategy than Charles is. When Ferrari tells Carlos something regarding strategy, he’ll say that’s not right, or he doesn’t agree, and the team usually goes along with him. With Charles, he seems more dependent on the team and usually does what they say without argument, or minimal pushback. At least, that’s the impressions I’ve been getting for a number of races now. Of course, they don’t play all of the radio. Also, after the races or qualifying, Charles seems to whine more than Carlos about the team. I think Carlos’ eyes were opened to bad strategy calls last year which almost cost him his victory. He’s more ready to push back on it now. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:27:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Carlos’ eyes were opened to bad strategy calls last year which almost cost him his victory. He’s more ready to push back on it now. Funny enough it was another horrible strategy call that gave him this victory |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:39:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alpine are asking for a special dispensation because their power unit sucks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-to-discuss-engine-equalisation-move/10498907/ Renault can just fuck off with that bullshit. Forcing the leading teams to turn their shit down, because their engines suck balls....might as well be fucking Indy car then. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:47:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Renault can just fuck off with that bullshit. Forcing the leading teams to turn their shit down, because their engines suck balls....might as well be fucking Indy car then. Then let the teams develop their power unit. The power unit freeze bs is just that bs. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:58:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Alpine are asking for a special dispensation because their power unit sucks. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-to-discuss-engine-equalisation-move/10498907/ This is the kind of crap that will kill or greatly reduce the allure of watching F1. If your {insert piece of equipment here} sucks then make something better within the existing rules. I don’t think it’s a sport secret the Renault engines don’t perform well so perhaps they should go talk to Honda or another engine builder. Damn rules will kill the sport. In my uninformed and plebe opinion. Carry on 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:44:04 PM EST
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Question for Seb:
Where does all the material from worn tires go? |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:44:31 PM EST
[#34]
YT video of the conversation about the broken trophy
 Lando Norris Reaction after BREAKING Max Verstappen’s Trophy! I get it was most likely an accident but still a dick way to handle it by Norris. (Perhaps I’m missing something in context). 
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:45:21 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for Seb: Where does all the material from worn tires go? He walks around the track and picks up the marbles. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:59:42 PM EST
[#36]
Anyone catch the documentary on Jackie Stewart that was on ESPN right after the race? Pretty interesting seeing the old cars and drivers Never knew he couldn’t read or write.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38048245 |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 8:11:45 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: YT video of the conversation about the broken trophy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsm1jdl5sUEI get it was most likely an accident but still a dick way to handle it by Norris. (Perhaps I’m missing something in context). I know they’re friends, but he is being a dick about it. He posted this on IG  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 8:18:12 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oof
Only $44??? Shit, I'll take two!!!! |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 8:27:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny enough it was another horrible strategy call that gave him this victory Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think Carlos’ eyes were opened to bad strategy calls last year which almost cost him his victory. He’s more ready to push back on it now. Funny enough it was another horrible strategy call that gave him this victory True, they really did screw Charles in that one and almost ended up costing Carlos as well. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 9:08:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know they're friends, but he is being a dick about it. He posted this on IG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380475/IMG_0608_jpeg-2896085.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: YT video of the conversation about the broken trophy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsm1jdl5sUEI get it was most likely an accident but still a dick way to handle it by Norris. (Perhaps I'm missing something in context). I know they're friends, but he is being a dick about it. He posted this on IG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380475/IMG_0608_jpeg-2896085.JPG Norris grew up with fuck you money and has earned his own fuck you money. I'm sure he'll pay for a replacement trophy but he's ribbing Max in the mean time. They're good friends. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:58:03 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone catch the documentary on Jackie Stewart that was on ESPN right after the race? Pretty interesting seeing the old cars and drivers Never knew he couldn’t read or write. https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38048245 Didn't catch it all and ail look for it again when espn can list their shit correctly, or through other means. I thought it was interesting and enlightening regarding him and his teammates from what I saw. 50 years on and I still think he is one of the greats. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 5:34:30 AM EST
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Have you seen how much Leclerc oversped in the pit lane according to the stewards report ?
0.7km/h for less than 1/10th of a second… I am surprised that they can even get such an accurate measurement. Strange that there is no margin of error tolerance for this when there is even one for jumping a start (Bottas in Austria for ex) Also makes no sense that this is worth 5sec penalty, and that ruining the race of 3 drivers (Zhou) is also worth the same penalty. In the sense that the rules should be changed to have a more severe penalty for ruining other people races |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 7:24:20 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen how much Leclerc oversped in the pit lane according to the stewards report ? 0.7km/h for less than 1/10th of a second… I am surprised that they can even get such an accurate measurement. Strange that there is no margin of error tolerance for this when there is even one for jumping a start (Bottas in Austria for ex) Also makes no sense that this is worth 5sec penalty, and that ruining the race of 3 drivers (Zhou) is also worth the same penalty. In the sense that the rules should be changed to have a more severe penalty for ruining other people races This I completly agree with, zhou got off way to easy |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 7:59:55 AM EST
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Zhou will at least get points against his license-correct?
Not suggesting that is enough punishment and there should be something more for ruining 3 drivers day. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 8:23:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Zhou will at least get points against his license-correct? Not suggesting that is enough punishment and there should be something more for ruining 3 drivers day. He received two points (4 total right now). |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 8:36:14 AM EST
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I wonder what this poor bastard is doing these days....
 Pretty incredible Max already has 44 wins. He could easily eclipse Vettel at 53 wins and become the 3rd most winning driver in F1 history by the end of the season. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 8:46:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder what this poor bastard is doing these days.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1zZbHKWcAAWFIv?format=jpg&name=small Pretty incredible Max already has 44 wins. He could easily eclipse Vettel at 53 wins and become the 3rd most winning driver in F1 history by the end of the season. He’s looking for a tattoo artist that can do really small fonts. ?? |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:41:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This I completly agree with, zhou got off way to easy Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you seen how much Leclerc oversped in the pit lane according to the stewards report ? 0.7km/h for less than 1/10th of a second… I am surprised that they can even get such an accurate measurement. Strange that there is no margin of error tolerance for this when there is even one for jumping a start (Bottas in Austria for ex) Also makes no sense that this is worth 5sec penalty, and that ruining the race of 3 drivers (Zhou) is also worth the same penalty. In the sense that the rules should be changed to have a more severe penalty for ruining other people races This I completly agree with, zhou got off way to easy Isn’t that the same that Bottas get a few years ago at the same track for taking out a bunch of the front rows? I think the problem is that the FIA only has one penalty for causing a collision, and it doesn’t make a difference if you take out one or three. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:43:31 PM EST
[#49]
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1uwleiWcAERamD?format=jpg&name=large Poor Max. At least he’ll get 8-10 more this year. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 1:44:40 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t that the same that Bottas get a few years ago at the same track for taking out a bunch of the front rows? I think the problem is that the FIA only has one penalty for causing a collision, and it doesn’t make a difference if you take out one or three. How’s that saying go? After the first one the rest are free. (Within the same incident i would at least hope) |
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