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Posted: 6/9/2022 10:56:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Browns probably took their cue from the league, who's only effort to investigate was talk to some of the women in such a way to make them feel uncomfortable, so the Browns thought they were good.  Was there any protection on all those picks in case Watson was suspended? |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:15:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was there any protection on all those picks in case Watson was suspended? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Browns probably took their cue from the league, who's only effort to investigate was talk to some of the women in such a way to make them feel uncomfortable, so the Browns thought they were good. Was there any protection on all those picks in case Watson was suspended? |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:20:00 AM EST
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The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once.
Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. If you go on Browns message boards, scroll through Twitter or just talk to some women, a lot of people are making the case that Watson, the former Houston Texans quarterback, should never throw an N.F.L. pass again. A suspension for a set number of games this coming season, their thinking goes, is not enough. Nor is a season, or even two, off. If America's most popular sports league is to honor its pledge to stand behind women and victims of abuse, Watson needs to be barred. Watson "should not be playing in the league at all," says Brenda Tracy, a prominent victims' rights advocate who travels the country counseling college and professional athletes to stand against harassment and abuse. "It's ridiculous. I don't understand the lengths these leagues will go to protect these men. He needs to go." the Browns, a once-proud team now so desperate for a championship that it has lost any dignity, gave him a better deal than those of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson: $230 million, every penny reportedly guaranteed. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:31:30 AM EST
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The 2022 Canadian Football League regular season kicks off tonight with the Montreal Alouettes at the Calgary Stampeders. 6 PM PST on ESPN+, or your other favorite streaming options.
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:36:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once. Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. What Hunt did wasn’t even a big deal IMO. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with those two. He was forcing an underage drunk girl out of a party. He was trying to do the right thing, and she started wailing on him. He shoved her harder than he needed to, but I get it. His only mistake was lying about it, but I get why he felt the need to in this environment. If they could do it over again the Chiefs don’t cut him for it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:39:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colt's LB Darius Leonard underwent back surgery yesterday for an issue that popped up in camp. Still dealing with a nagging ankle injury from last season. Bad news.
They said it's a "minor surgery". I dont think there is such thing as a minor back surgery? On McAfee he said it's a nerve issue in the back that has been inhibiting the function of Leonard's ankle. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:45:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What Hunt did wasn’t even a big deal IMO. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with those two. He was forcing an underage drunk girl out of a party. He was trying to do the right thing, and she started wailing on him. He shoved her harder than he needed to, but I get it. His only mistake was lying about it, but I get why he felt the need to in this environment. If they could do it over again the Chiefs don’t cut him for it. He also kicked her while she on the ground.... |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:46:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He also kicked her while she on the ground.... Post the video. I don’t remember seeing that edit: Link to video longer one here https://www.tmz.com/watch/0-exjrtvg5/ Eh, a bit worse than I remembered. That was hardly a kick though. But I still stand by what I said. He went further than he needed to but she was being belligerent. This is no way comparable to Rice, Watson, Brown, etc. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:47:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On McAfee he said it's a nerve issue in the back that has been inhibiting the function of Leonard's ankle. I don’t get the timing at all in that case. Why wait until June? |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 11:48:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He also kicked her while she on the ground.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What Hunt did wasn’t even a big deal IMO. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with those two. He was forcing an underage drunk girl out of a party. He was trying to do the right thing, and she started wailing on him. He shoved her harder than he needed to, but I get it. His only mistake was lying about it, but I get why he felt the need to in this environment. If they could do it over again the Chiefs don’t cut him for it. He also kicked her while she on the ground.... Yup. He was an idiot but I still consider his offense less egregious than many others. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 12:08:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once. Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. Quote HistoryQuoted: The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once. Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. If you go on Browns message boards, scroll through Twitter or just talk to some women, a lot of people are making the case that Watson, the former Houston Texans quarterback, should never throw an N.F.L. pass again. A suspension for a set number of games this coming season, their thinking goes, is not enough. Nor is a season, or even two, off. If America's most popular sports league is to honor its pledge to stand behind women and victims of abuse, Watson needs to be barred. Watson "should not be playing in the league at all," says Brenda Tracy, a prominent victims' rights advocate who travels the country counseling college and professional athletes to stand against harassment and abuse. "It's ridiculous. I don't understand the lengths these leagues will go to protect these men. He needs to go." the Browns, a once-proud team now so desperate for a championship that it has lost any dignity, gave him a better deal than those of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson: $230 million, every penny reportedly guaranteed. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. “… should never throw an N.F.L. pass again.”  |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 12:09:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post the video. I don’t remember seeing that edit: Link to video longer one here https://www.tmz.com/watch/0-exjrtvg5/ Eh, a bit worse than I remembered. That was hardly a kick though. But I still stand by what I said. He went further than he needed to but she was being belligerent. This is no way comparable to Rice, Watson, Brown, etc. It's a bad look for the brand to have your players pushing women to the ground and kicking them. If it wasn't on camera it likely would have been nothing (the Rice case was pretty much nothing until the video came out). |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 12:12:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Post the video. I don’t remember seeing that edit: Link to video longer one here https://www.tmz.com/watch/0-exjrtvg5/ Eh, a bit worse than I remembered. That was hardly a kick though. But I still stand by what I said. He went further than he needed to but she was being belligerent. This is no way comparable to Rice, Watson, Brown, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He also kicked her while she on the ground.... Post the video. I don’t remember seeing that edit: Link to video longer one here https://www.tmz.com/watch/0-exjrtvg5/ Eh, a bit worse than I remembered. That was hardly a kick though. But I still stand by what I said. He went further than he needed to but she was being belligerent. This is no way comparable to Rice, Watson, Brown, etc.  |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 12:15:44 PM EST
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The Hunt situation cost him some money and forced him to a new team, but it didn't end his career (not even close to it). He WAS immediately placed on the Commissioner's Exempt list and was suspended for 8 games without ever being charged with a crime.
Watson has not only not lost any money, he got a raise, and fully guaranteed contract, and moved to a new team (which he wanted before the story began). He also got to sit on the bench, as his own decision, and be paid to watch football for a full year, and has not faced a single game suspension to this point. Hasn't even smelled the Exempt list yet (15 months later). |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 1:32:36 PM EST
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Ian Rapoport, via Pat McAfee, "The league is investigating these new claims and talking to Deshaun Watson about it as well." The same way they investigated the previous claims?... So... Nothing?
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Posted: 6/9/2022 1:42:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ian Rapoport, via Pat McAfee, "The league is investigating these new claims and talking to Deshaun Watson about it as well." The same way they investigated the previous claims?... So... Nothing? I follow them about 0.87% as much as some of y'all do so I might be totally wrong, but anyone else get the impression Schefter seems to be a mouthpiece for the owners, players, and agents while Rapoport seems to be a mouthpiece for the league? |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 1:44:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I follow them about 0.87% as much as some of y'all do so I might be totally wrong, but anyone else get the impression Schefter seems to be a mouthpiece for the owners, players, and agents while Rapoport seems to be a mouthpiece for the league? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ian Rapoport, via Pat McAfee, "The league is investigating these new claims and talking to Deshaun Watson about it as well." The same way they investigated the previous claims?... So... Nothing? I follow them about 0.87% as much as some of y'all do so I might be totally wrong, but anyone else get the impression Schefter seems to be a mouthpiece for the owners, players, and agents while Rapoport seems to be a mouthpiece for the league? Rapoport is contract by the NFL Network. That answer your question?
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Posted: 6/9/2022 1:54:15 PM EST
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Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good.
I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 1:57:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once. Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. Quote HistoryQuoted: The NY Times is back at it again today. Article is mostly about how the NFL should treat Watson. Talks about past players like Rice, Hunt and Antonio. Brings up the lack of punishment in the Redskins harassment cases. Calls on the NFL to send a message and do the right thing for once. Deshaun Watson's Case Tests the N.F.L.'s Resolve, and Its Values Given the volume and seriousness of the allegations against the Cleveland Browns quarterback, our columnist wonders if an N.F.L. suspension is enough of a punishment. If you go on Browns message boards, scroll through Twitter or just talk to some women, a lot of people are making the case that Watson, the former Houston Texans quarterback, should never throw an N.F.L. pass again. A suspension for a set number of games this coming season, their thinking goes, is not enough. Nor is a season, or even two, off. If America's most popular sports league is to honor its pledge to stand behind women and victims of abuse, Watson needs to be barred. Watson "should not be playing in the league at all," says Brenda Tracy, a prominent victims' rights advocate who travels the country counseling college and professional athletes to stand against harassment and abuse. "It's ridiculous. I don't understand the lengths these leagues will go to protect these men. He needs to go." the Browns, a once-proud team now so desperate for a championship that it has lost any dignity, gave him a better deal than those of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson: $230 million, every penny reportedly guaranteed. I think this is only the beginning. There's a lot of pushing and build up now, months before the season starts, just wait until Watson actually takes the field. If he does, there's gonna be a blow up of articles. Ya know... I think Watson is probably a creep, and in comparison to other players (AB, Zeke, etc.) his lack of suspension is inconsistent with how they handled those situations. I can understand why people are upset about that inconsistency, but I really don't understand the full on cancel culture level some people want. If you can't convict the dude criminally, why should he be booted completely? In a just world, the women he did this to would get a posse of male friends together to give Watson all the non-consensual touching he can handle. Even Steven. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:03:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. There've been several QBs who made the HoF without a single Super Bowl win. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:05:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. You mean besides this? 
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:06:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. By that logic Eli should make it in over Rodgers? I don’t buy that. I’m not an Erin fan but he is objectively among the best to ever sling it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:07:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. While I do think Rodgers is somewhat overrated, I do think he's a HOF QB. He's kinda like a one ring version of Peyton Manning. Great in the regular season and not great in the postseason. The past two seasons are pretty much Rodgers' career in a nutshell. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:12:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:15:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean besides this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Screenshot_20220609-140446_Chrome-2412640.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it. You mean besides this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Screenshot_20220609-140446_Chrome-2412640.jpg The flip side of Rodgers' fantastic passer rating is him having an 0-87 record when he is trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter against a team with a winning record. A QB being cautious is usually a good thing, but when you're trailing late you can't afford to be super cautious if you want to win. Rodgers turns 39 this season and he still hasn't seemed to grasp that. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:15:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? Career yardage. Career touchdowns. Career interception/touchdown ratio. Career passer rating numbers. Career playoff appearances. Career pro bowl nominations. Career all pro selections. Career MVP selections. Super Bowl Champion. Super Bowl MVP. Single season passer rating record holder. Single season interception percentage record holder. Career interception percentage record holder. Career interception/touchdown ratio record holder. Most consecutive passes without an interception record holder. Most seasons with 35+, 40+ and 45+ touchdown passes record holder (tied). Most seasons with a passer rating over 100.0 record holder. Quickest quarterback to 30,000 passing yards (by attempts). Fewest games to both 300 and 400 passing touchdowns record holder. Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100 and 110 record holder. I don't like Rodgers much, but he has a body of work that ensures he is absolutely a Hall of Fame selection, beyond many current and projected Hall of Famers. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:18:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what makes Rodgers a hof quarterback? He has played his career in the weakest division in football, pretty much 5-6 guaranteed wins per year, and his playoff record isn't all that good. I guess if one superbowl win is qualification enough, then so be it.  From wiki: He was named Associated Press Athlete of the Year in 2011,[4] and was voted league MVP by the Associated Press for the 2011, 2014, 2020 and 2021 NFL seasons. Rodgers is the fifth player to win NFL MVP in consecutive seasons, joining Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Joe Montana and Jim Brown. Rodgers has led the NFL six times in touchdown-to-interception ratio (2011, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2020, 2021);[5] six times in lowest passing interception percentage (2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021);[6] four times in passer rating (2011, 2012, 2020, 2021);[7] and four times in touchdown passing percentage (2011, 2012, 2020, 2021);  three times in total touchdowns (2011, 2016, 2020); twice in touchdown passes (2016, 2020)[9] and once in yards per attempt (2011) and completion percentage (2020).[10]Rodgers is second on the NFL's all-time regular-season career passer rating list, with a regular-season career passer rating of over 100 (the first to ever have a career rating over 100) while also having had the highest passer rating, the best touchdown-to-interception ratio and the lowest passing interception percentage in NFL history throughout the entire 2010s decade. In the postseason, he is second in touchdown passes, fourth in passing yards, and sixth in all-time passer rating. In the regular season, he has the best touchdown-to-interception ratio in NFL history at 4.83,[11] holds the league's lowest career interception percentage at 1.3 percent[12] and the highest single-season passer rating record of 122.5.[13] Rodgers is considered by many sportscasters and players to be one of the greatest and most talented quarterbacks of all time.[14][15][16][17] Rodgers is also a four-time winner of the Best NFL Player ESPY Award. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:19:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean besides this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219476/Screenshot_20220609-140446_Chrome-2412640.jpg The mvp this year who went one and done in the playoffs. Hell, Joe Burrow was sacked 300 times last season, and was one sack away from winning the sb. I think he proved his value taking the Bengals to the big show after coming back from injury. But that is just a long suffering Bengals fan's opinion. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:21:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Career win record. Career yardage. Career touchdowns. Career interception/touchdown ratio. Career passer rating numbers. Career playoff appearances. Career pro bowl nominations. Career all pro selections. Career MVP selections. Super Bowl Champion. Super Bowl MVP. Single season passer rating record holder. Single season interception percentage record holder. Career interception percentage record holder. Career interception/touchdown ratio record holder. Most consecutive passes without an interception record holder. Most seasons with 35+, 40+ and 45+ touchdown passes record holder (tied). Most seasons with a passer rating over 100.0 record holder. Quickest quarterback to 30,000 passing yards (by attempts). Fewest games to both 300 and 400 passing touchdowns record holder. Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100 and 110 record holder. I don't like Rodgers much, but he has a body of work that ensures he is absolutely a Hall of Fame selection, beyond many current and projected Hall of Famers. When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:22:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The flip side of Rodgers' fantastic passer rating is him having an 0-87 record when he is trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter against a team with a winning record. A QB being cautious is usually a good thing, but when you're trailing late you can't afford to be super cautious if you want to win. Rodgers turns 39 this season and he still hasn't seemed to grasp that. Quote HistoryQuoted: The flip side of Rodgers' fantastic passer rating is him having an 0-87 record when he is trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter against a team with a winning record. A QB being cautious is usually a good thing, but when you're trailing late you can't afford to be super cautious if you want to win. Rodgers turns 39 this season and he still hasn't seemed to grasp that. https://www.thedekkerpost.com/blog/debunking-this-one-crazy-stat-about-aaron-rodgers So, here is how QBs since 2008 (when Rodgers entered the league) rank in terms of EPA/Play when they have a less than 40% win probability in the 4th/OT and need to come back (Min. 500 plays): Aaron Rodgers 0.240 Russell Wilson 0.236 Drew Brees 0.196 Tony Romo 0.192 Tom Brady 0.144 |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:22:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only if the Browns/the League can prove that the Texans were hiding something additional beyond what is already known to the Browns. The specific contract they gave Watson also specifies that all of the 2022 and 2023 moneys are protected (guaranteed) even from suspension, unless something new occurs (new accusations may qualify for voiding the contract). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Browns probably took their cue from the league, who's only effort to investigate was talk to some of the women in such a way to make them feel uncomfortable, so the Browns thought they were good. Was there any protection on all those picks in case Watson was suspended? The stakes are pretty high, there are a high profile player, two franchises, and the league itself all with conflicting interests facing big potential losses, and there are no easy outs. It seems almost obvious that, when the grand jury decided not to send Watson to criminal trial, most of the parties involved decided the coast was clear. That's looking like a huge mistake for perhaps everyone except Watson himself. Because the trade and contract were allowed to happen, Watson has more leverage and security than he ever should have. If Goodell had the power people thinks he has, and if I were in his shoes, I would declare that Watson is banned from the league, his contract is cancelled due to a clause that likely exists in it, and the draft picks that were traded are forfeited as neither team should benefit from them. In reality land, the 2022 NFL season is coming in hot, and nothing will be settled by then because the court system moves at the pace it does. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:25:24 PM EST
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Brady was asked today about the reports of him joining the Dolphins, in any capacity (owner, exec, player). His response, summarized, was he has spoken with a lot of people and a lot of teams over the last 3-4 years about opportunities as a player and other opportunities outside of being a player, but that what was important now is where he is at now (on the Bucs) and what he can do for them this year. Then about a minute of fluff about how much he likes playing for the Bucs and the people there and unfinished business, etc.
Spent more than enough years in New England to know how to answer those questions. Tampa Tom is fun Tom, but the media be crazy if they think they are going to catch him slipping on a question like that. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:25:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stakes are pretty high, there are a high profile player, two franchises, and the league itself all with conflicting interests facing big potential losses, and there are no easy outs. It seems almost obvious that, when the grand jury decided not to send Watson to criminal trial, most of the parties involved decided the coast was clear. That's looking like a huge mistake for perhaps everyone except Watson himself. Because the trade and contract were allowed to happen, Watson has more leverage and security than he ever should have. If Goodell had the power people thinks he has, and if I were in his shoes, I would declare that Watson is banned from the league, his contract is cancelled due to a clause that likely exists in it, and the draft picks that were traded are forfeited as neither team should benefit from them. In reality land, the 2022 NFL season is coming in hot, and nothing will be settled by then because the court system moves at the pace it does. Well I tried. I was hoping for a full page of football talk instead of another post about the stupid fuckstick. 
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:26:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:27:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The flip side of Rodgers' fantastic passer rating is him having an 0-87 record when he is trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th quarter against a team with a winning record. A QB being cautious is usually a good thing, but when you're trailing late you can't afford to be super cautious if you want to win. Rodgers turns 39 this season and he still hasn't seemed to grasp that. https://www.thedekkerpost.com/blog/debunking-this-one-crazy-stat-about-aaron-rodgers So, here is how QBs since 2008 (when Rodgers entered the league) rank in terms of EPA/Play when they have a less than 40% win probability in the 4th/OT and need to come back (Min. 500 plays): Aaron Rodgers 0.240 Russell Wilson 0.236 Drew Brees 0.196 Tony Romo 0.192 Tom Brady 0.144 0-42. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:27:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brady was asked today about the reports of him joining the Dolphins, in any capacity (owner, exec, player). His response, summarized, was he has spoken with a lot of people and a lot of teams over the last 3-4 years about opportunities as a player and other opportunities outside of being a player, but that what was important now is where he is at now (on the Bucs) and what he can do for them this year. Then about a minute of fluff about how much he likes playing for the Bucs and the people there and unfinished business, etc. Spent more than enough years in New England to know how to answer those questions. Tampa Tom is fun Tom, but the media be crazy if they think they are going to catch him slipping on a question like that. Yeah, he was pretty robotic with the pats, but has loosened up with the bucs. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:30:07 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The stakes are pretty high, there are a high profile player, two franchises, and the league itself all with conflicting interests facing big potential losses, and there are no easy outs. It seems almost obvious that, when the grand jury decided not to send Watson to criminal trial, most of the parties involved decided the coast was clear. That's looking like a huge mistake for perhaps everyone except Watson himself. Because the trade and contract were allowed to happen, Watson has more leverage and security than he ever should have. If Goodell had the power people thinks he has, and if I were in his shoes, I would declare that Watson is banned from the league, his contract is cancelled due to a clause that likely exists in it, and the draft picks that were traded are forfeited as neither team should benefit from them. In reality land, the 2022 NFL season is coming in hot, and nothing will be settled by then because the court system moves at the pace it does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Browns probably took their cue from the league, who's only effort to investigate was talk to some of the women in such a way to make them feel uncomfortable, so the Browns thought they were good. Was there any protection on all those picks in case Watson was suspended? The stakes are pretty high, there are a high profile player, two franchises, and the league itself all with conflicting interests facing big potential losses, and there are no easy outs. It seems almost obvious that, when the grand jury decided not to send Watson to criminal trial, most of the parties involved decided the coast was clear. That's looking like a huge mistake for perhaps everyone except Watson himself. Because the trade and contract were allowed to happen, Watson has more leverage and security than he ever should have. If Goodell had the power people thinks he has, and if I were in his shoes, I would declare that Watson is banned from the league, his contract is cancelled due to a clause that likely exists in it, and the draft picks that were traded are forfeited as neither team should benefit from them. In reality land, the 2022 NFL season is coming in hot, and nothing will be settled by then because the court system moves at the pace it does. Watson hasn't played in a full year, and they still gave him a raise and guarantee and unloaded all those picks. Like I said, even without the accusations, that would be considered insane in any off-season. And it isn't like the Browns were the only team trying to convince Watson to join them. Lot of crazy ass desperate teams, wanting to win now no matter what it takes. Draft picks. Cash. Dignity. They are all available for trade. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:33:55 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true, but the players can only play the teams they face on the schedule. Nothing they can do about that. No shortage of players in the Hall of Fame right now who made their careers feasting on shitty opponents. Agreed. If you look at the playoffs where it is one and done, and his 4th quarter come from behind record, it is a different story. He seems to be well liked, and does enough Joe Willy antics for the popularity aspect, and that helps a lot. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:34:47 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Career win record. Career yardage. Career touchdowns. Career interception/touchdown ratio. Career passer rating numbers. Career playoff appearances. Career pro bowl nominations. Career all pro selections. Career MVP selections. Super Bowl Champion. Super Bowl MVP. Single season passer rating record holder. Single season interception percentage record holder. Career interception percentage record holder. Career interception/touchdown ratio record holder. Most consecutive passes without an interception record holder. Most seasons with 35+, 40+ and 45+ touchdown passes record holder (tied). Most seasons with a passer rating over 100.0 record holder. Quickest quarterback to 30,000 passing yards (by attempts). Fewest games to both 300 and 400 passing touchdowns record holder. Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100 and 110 record holder. I don't like Rodgers much, but he has a body of work that ensures he is absolutely a Hall of Fame selection, beyond many current and projected Hall of Famers. When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. Now do Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, or any other recent QB considered to be a HoF guy... |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:38:01 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Career win record. Career yardage. Career touchdowns. Career interception/touchdown ratio. Career passer rating numbers. Career playoff appearances. Career pro bowl nominations. Career all pro selections. Career MVP selections. Super Bowl Champion. Super Bowl MVP. Single season passer rating record holder. Single season interception percentage record holder. Career interception percentage record holder. Career interception/touchdown ratio record holder. Most consecutive passes without an interception record holder. Most seasons with 35+, 40+ and 45+ touchdown passes record holder (tied). Most seasons with a passer rating over 100.0 record holder. Quickest quarterback to 30,000 passing yards (by attempts). Fewest games to both 300 and 400 passing touchdowns record holder. Most consecutive games with a passer rating over 100 and 110 record holder. I don't like Rodgers much, but he has a body of work that ensures he is absolutely a Hall of Fame selection, beyond many current and projected Hall of Famers. When you get to play against the 3 shittiest teams in the nfc twice a year, you will get great qb numbers. I can only imagine how gaudy his numbers would be if he played in a dome like Drew and Peyton. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:41:54 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. If you look at the playoffs where it is one and done, and his 4th quarter come from behind record, it is a different story. He seems to be well liked, and does enough Joe Willy antics for the popularity aspect, and that helps a lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is true, but the players can only play the teams they face on the schedule. Nothing they can do about that. No shortage of players in the Hall of Fame right now who made their careers feasting on shitty opponents. Agreed. If you look at the playoffs where it is one and done, and his 4th quarter come from behind record, it is a different story. He seems to be well liked, and does enough Joe Willy antics for the popularity aspect, and that helps a lot. Dan was a unquestionable first ballot Hall of Fame selection. Rodgers will be the same when he is done. Edit: Just furthering my "modern day Dan Marino" comment. Marino was 8-10 in the post season. If you remove Rodgers 1 Super Bowl season, he drops to 7-10 in the post season. Marino had three 1 and dones and six 1-1 post seasons. Rodgers has had four 1 and dones and five 1-1 post seasons. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:42:54 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now do Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, or any other recent QB considered to be a HoF guy... Ben usually had at least one playoff contender in the division. Sometimes two. He took some wildcard teams to the SB. This year, Rodgers lost a home game as the #1 seed, and wins mvp. Brady's playoff record kicks Rodger's ass. Brees, no real argument there. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:54:35 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rodgers is basically the modern day Dan Marino. A freak talent/athlete, with amazing regular season numbers, but a questionable post season record. At least he managed to get his 1 ring, which was more than Dan. Dan was a unquestionable first ballot Hall of Fame selection. Rodgers will be the same when he is done. Edit: Just furthering my "modern day Dan Marino" comment. Marino was 8-10 in the post season. If you remove Rodgers 1 Super Bowl season, he drops to 7-10 in the post season. Marino had three 1 and dones and six 1-1 post seasons. Rodgers has had four 1 and dones and five 1-1 post seasons. Can you imagine his number if DB's back then got flagged like they do today? 
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Posted: 6/9/2022 2:58:00 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ben usually had at least one playoff contender in the division. Sometimes two. He took some wildcard teams to the SB. This year, Rodgers lost a home game as the #1 seed, and wins mvp. Brady's playoff record kicks Rodger's ass. Brees, no real argument there. In his 20 year career he had a top 10 defense 4 times. In those 20 years he led a top 10 offense 15 times. There's a reason why Drew Brees was crushing the total yards and touchdown records while having a much lower win percentage when compared to players like Tom, Peyton, Aaron, etc. Brees had to work harder than all the others, which again, is just a poor roll of the dice. You can't change who you play with, you do what you can with what you got. You kinda feel good for Matt Stafford for the same reason. Dude has killed himself trying to carry the Lions, so you feel a little good that he won something. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:02:01 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rodgers is basically the modern day Dan Marino. A freak talent/athlete, with amazing regular season numbers, but a questionable post season record. At least he managed to get his 1 ring, which was more than Dan. Dan was a unquestionable first ballot Hall of Fame selection. Rodgers will be the same when he is done. Edit: Just furthering my "modern day Dan Marino" comment. Marino was 8-10 in the post season. If you remove Rodgers 1 Super Bowl season, he drops to 7-10 in the post season. Marino had three 1 and dones and six 1-1 post seasons. Rodgers has had four 1 and dones and five 1-1 post seasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is true, but the players can only play the teams they face on the schedule. Nothing they can do about that. No shortage of players in the Hall of Fame right now who made their careers feasting on shitty opponents. Agreed. If you look at the playoffs where it is one and done, and his 4th quarter come from behind record, it is a different story. He seems to be well liked, and does enough Joe Willy antics for the popularity aspect, and that helps a lot. Dan was a unquestionable first ballot Hall of Fame selection. Rodgers will be the same when he is done. Edit: Just furthering my "modern day Dan Marino" comment. Marino was 8-10 in the post season. If you remove Rodgers 1 Super Bowl season, he drops to 7-10 in the post season. Marino had three 1 and dones and six 1-1 post seasons. Rodgers has had four 1 and dones and five 1-1 post seasons. Maybe, but Rodgers doesn't have that one defining moment, season, meaningful stat etc. where even to a non-fan it's obvious it is extremely unlikely anyone will EVER top it. Marino does. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:02:13 PM EST
[#46]
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:06:03 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think there has been a player that has been asked to do more than Brees. In his 20 year career he had a top 10 defense 4 times. In those 20 years he led a top 10 offense 15 times. There's a reason why Drew Brees was crushing the total yards and touchdown records while having a much lower win percentage when compared to players like Tom, Peyton, Aaron, etc. Brees had to work harder than all the others, which again, is just a poor roll of the dice. You can't change who you play with, you do what you can with what you got. You kinda feel good for Matt Stafford for the same reason. Dude has killed himself trying to carry the Lions, so you feel a little good that he won something. You should watch some Fran Tarkenton video, if there is any out there. I agree, nice to see Stafford show what he is capable of. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:07:40 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I don't think there's a been a team in the past dozen or so seasons to have more impressive stats and do fuck all with it than the Chargers (though the Cowboys probably aren't far behind ).To have the #1 offense AND the #1 defense AND NOT MAKE THE POSTSEASON is beyond incredible. |
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:11:31 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe, but Rodgers doesn't have that one defining moment, season, meaningful stat etc. where even to a non-fan it's obvious it is extremely unlikely anyone will EVER top it. Marino does. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is true, but the players can only play the teams they face on the schedule. Nothing they can do about that. No shortage of players in the Hall of Fame right now who made their careers feasting on shitty opponents. Agreed. If you look at the playoffs where it is one and done, and his 4th quarter come from behind record, it is a different story. He seems to be well liked, and does enough Joe Willy antics for the popularity aspect, and that helps a lot. Dan was a unquestionable first ballot Hall of Fame selection. Rodgers will be the same when he is done. Edit: Just furthering my "modern day Dan Marino" comment. Marino was 8-10 in the post season. If you remove Rodgers 1 Super Bowl season, he drops to 7-10 in the post season. Marino had three 1 and dones and six 1-1 post seasons. Rodgers has had four 1 and dones and five 1-1 post seasons. Maybe, but Rodgers doesn't have that one defining moment, season, meaningful stat etc. where even to a non-fan it's obvious it is extremely unlikely anyone will EVER top it. Marino does. Rodgers has the general body of work, along with a ring. Even if he doesn't have a single season or moment that will be remembered forever, the ring counts as his cherry in this discussion. It is the equivalent to Marino's 84 season. And just to dig deeper, to see how Rodgers' MVP seasons stood out:
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Posted: 6/9/2022 3:21:30 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think there's a been a team in the past dozen or so seasons to have more impressive stats and do fuck all with it than the Chargers (thought the Cowboys probably aren't far behind ).To have the #1 offense AND the #1 defense AND NOT MAKE THE POSTSEASON is beyond incredible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
I don't think there's a been a team in the past dozen or so seasons to have more impressive stats and do fuck all with it than the Chargers (thought the Cowboys probably aren't far behind ).To have the #1 offense AND the #1 defense AND NOT MAKE THE POSTSEASON is beyond incredible. That team was 1st in offense, 7th on defense, went 14-2, best record in all of football. Lose to the Patriots at home in their first playoff game. While they were up by 8 in the 4th quarter. That was the first of 4 consecutive years winning their division, with a top 5 offense and top 15 defense the entire time, and they never even made it to the Super Bowl. Haven't won the division since (12 consecutive years). Fucking Chargers man. |
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