There are levels of "climate controlled"  Most attached garages would be sufficient.  A detached garage would need a small heater to keep it above the limit which isn't hard or expensive and you likely already have it as there are many other things ... regular cars included that would be damaged by such temperatures.

Look, I'm fairly certain we live in pretty much the same climatological region of the country. Garages are not a foreign technology to us. We have to plug in our gassers during parts of the year if we want them to start reliably. Pulling the "my town is colder than your town" card only works on some people. There are very, very, very few people who can pull it on me.

Given that crude oil (and it's derivative, gasoline) is a COMMODITY, you may or may not be giving money to Middle Eastern countries.   The oil being purchased by the refinery today may have come from Venezuela.  Tomorrow, it might be Canada.  The next day, it might be Wyoming.

People in the market for a Tesla today probably have a heated garage.  But on a long term macro level, very few people do.

Gas cars are typically designed to function down to -40.  A Tesla literally can't function long term below 32F without a power source and can't even be exposed to -22F for 24 hrs without damage.  I don't know about you, but I've left my car at the airport for three weeks in the dead of winter and it fired right up when I got back.  

For now it"s still America buy what you like.

For now you still have a choice, but in the not-so-distant future the .gov is going to do their best to make the choice for you.  It's happened in Europe already.  They tax gasoline and gasoline powered vehicles into oblivion and give steep breaks and advantages to those who purchase electric.

For example, the EV apologists like to tout Norway and their 54% EV compliance last year as a win.  In reality, this is what incentives are given to EV drivers:

No purchase/import taxes (1990)
Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001)
No annual road tax (1996)
No charges on toll roads or ferries (1997)
Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018)
Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2019)
Free municipal parking (1999)
Parking fee for EVs was introduced locally with an upper limit of a maximum 50% of the full price (2018)
Access to bus lanes (2005)
New rules allow local authorities to limit the access to only include EVs that carry one or more passengers (2016)
50 % reduced company car tax (2000)
Company car tax reduction reduced to 40% (2018)
Exemption from 25% VAT on leasing (2015)
Fiscal compensation for the scrapping of fossil vans when converting to a zero-emission van (2018)
Allowing holders of driver license class B to drive electric vans class C1 (light lorries) up to 4250 kg (2019)

Meanwhile, the 46% that decide to purchase ICE vehicles face the equivalent of $6.50/gal gas and incredibly steep taxes on the purchase of the vehicles.  And, of course, none of the benefits above.

I don't quite get why a huge portion of this site turns socialist when the convo turns toward electric vehicles.  Maybe it's brainwashing, maybe it's geeking out over what they perceive as new tech, maybe it's a man-crush on Elon, or maybe it's just an incomplete understanding on a macro level of what is happening and what is coming.  And so many here seem to be completely complacent in this.  And we haven't even touched on the subsidies that have already been happening for years.  EV's do work well for some people, and I'm completely OK with them if they are brought into the market in capitalist way, but they aren't. I'm all for a fair fight.  But it isn't.  It's not even close and we've barely seen the beginning of it.  There is an executive order in California requiring that "by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles."  If you think your state is immune to something like this in the future, you are naïve.

I just think Tesla makes a couple of cool cars. Don't give a fuck about the environmental aspect of it. I don't hate the environment, but modern ICE cars in first world countries are fine.

And the electricity in my new city where I plan to charge the Tesla I'll be buying in a couple of years is nuclear, anyway.

You must be going to the poors airport.  Since there are literally no downsides to an EV for 90% of people it is you who are wrong.

Chuuk ain't a poors airport, but it's not particularly large. All of the airports are about the same there tho. Issue must have been before he moved.

Regardless, there's shit you have to consider with nascent technology. I had one of those Sony Location Free TVs when they came out. I like to be outside so it was a nice gift. But it performed badly, had to be concerned about ambient conditions and it was pretty small. There were also no other choices. Now everyone has something they can stream on, lots of weather impervious solutions and shits not much bigger.

Issues will get sorted out as the tech become widely utitilized. Advantages, but there's always going to be constraints. I'm down for the market deciding - what chaps many peoples ass, the markets being manipulated.

does your charge port open to the command open bunghole?
heard on the radio a couple weeks ago some models respond to that command.

Oh ok.  Thanks.

We don't get outrageously cold where I live but it is below freezing for months at a time in winter.

I'd hate to have to heat my garage just to charge my car....that would be a large net energy drain on the benefit of having an EV.

just have an insulated/heated garage, don't live in a domicile which requires street parking or which doesn't have a garage (ie don't live in a starter home either)

simple as

I love how the primary arguments from both sides boil down to:

Doomers: today’s electric cars really suck today! See how many switch after purchase? 1 out of five! 20%! Their batteries freeze in cold weather too, just don’t point out the ones in our ice vehicles freeze too, oh and the electric grid won’t handle it those new cars during the day, charge times, charge times, range, charge times!

Zoomers: today’s electric cars aren’t that great, but 80% of users you quoted didn’t swap back to ice.
Furthermore electrics are getting better all the time, including range & charging times. they will eventually be better in almost every way, especially price. and you can charge at home with some additional costs for a 240 outlet and most people will be charging at home overnight, so the strain on the electric grid won’t be bad unless you’re on a fucked up blue state’s mismanaged grid. The writing is on the wall, eventually you will be buying and enjoying a superior product. you have no chance to survive, make your time, ha ha ha.

IMO there are a number of macro-level trends simultaneously working against EV adoption. Some more recent than others.

Holy shit lololol.

20% in California of all places. One of the most EV friendly places on Earth.

Recycling lithium ion batteries should be 100%.  5%?  Damn!
That’s not protecting the environment…that’s poisoning it.

environment? I thought this was all about graft

Europe...like California....is not the model for the USA.

ICE cars use lead acid batteries.  Electric cars use lithium ion batteries.  There is a big difference.  Lithium ion has a lot of advantages over lead, but cold weather performance is certainly not one of them.  Nor is recycle-ability, which was already covered by the OP.

Regular cars are not damaged by such temperatures.  Lithium ion power tools?  Yep.

Compromise comrade.  Change your lifestyle for the greater good.

Sounds like you like the Horse And Buggy^TM duh.
Why don't you simply adopt this technology that's expensive and involves lifestyle tradeoffs because MAYBE 5 years ago 1year ago right now 5-25 years from now we will simply have an energy density breakthrough!
After all, a company that wants your investor dollars said They're Working On It^TM

CNBC said it will be good one day, therefore it's perfected right now.
There's no tradeoffs, you're just an idiot for not finding it compelling vs current options.
Horse And Buggy^TM.
Now buy the go-kart, bigot!

You can use a device like that.

You can’t branch off the receptacle itself and create a second receptacle, which is what it sounded like he was asking about.

So put another way, 20% of CA EV buyers are too fucking stupid to know they need a power hookup before they buy the car?  Not surprised.

EV threads. Where suddenly GD cares very deeply about recycling. Sheesh.

Yeah, it's not like that.  We just moved but our last home had an uninsulated and unheated garage.  Never had a problem with the Tesla in the winter even below zero F.

You are missing the point.  The batteries use relatively rare and expensive metals like nickel, cobalt, and manganese.  There is a finite amount of these and for large scale use, they must be recaptured.  On the flip side, they really do poison the the environment if disposed of improperly and the mining and smelting operations are big polluters.  

Extracting the metals via recycling is difficult, but IMO the situation can probably be overcome.  However is very unlikely to resolve itself, meaning the .gov is going to need to drive it by stepping in with yet more regulations and cost to the consumer.

Then why this stuff people are telling me you can't expect easy charging in below freezing temps.

I am going have to research this one.

Because you and they are diametrically opposed it seems.

So 80% kept their electric cars.

The battery can't charge below 32F.  They can't.  In order to overcome this hurdle, some cars have heating elements in the battery pack to keep the battery temp above freezing.  The cheaper ones like the model 3 shunt current to the drive motors.  Think holding down the brake pedal and stepping on the gas in drive to put some load on the motor.  The current draw naturally heats the battery.

The problem with this is it requires significant energy.  Think carrying around a 1200lb brick that needs to be kept above a certain temp at all times to function...ideally 100-120F for peak efficiency.  If plugged in, it draws that energy from the outlet.  If it is not plugged in, where do you think that energy comes from?  That's right....the battery.  See the issue?  The amount of energy is not insignificant. The batteries are a very large thermal mass and it can draw as much as 10kW to bring the battery pack temp back up if it falls below limits.

ETA:  Now on a larger scale, picture a big employee parking or airport parking lot at -20F in a society with all electric vehicles.  A bunch of 1000-1500 lb bricks that must be kept heated in order to function.  Now picture an entire northern city. Much efficiency.  Many convenient.  Much green.

Also, ICE cars double plus ungood.

War is peace, peace is war.

Typical communist shitbirds writing articles they always have.

Also, GD purse swinging. Although there is some good discussion in this thread and it hasn't devolved completely yet. I give it to page 13.

Have you seen anyone that owns an EV saying you can't charge them in cold weather?

There is several people in these threads that own EVs and have no problems, a lot of them in the north. Then we have the people that flock to these threads about EVs and try to out do each other for reasons that almost no one could possibly use an EV. EV threads on Garage Journal is the same. I may have missed it, but in all the EV treads on here and Garage Journal, I haven't seen anyone that actually owns an EV that didn't love it and are glad they got it.

I own an EV in Detroit, which I’m sure you know can get cold.

I drove it almost all winter except for the day when we got a foot of snow. I used my 4x4 duramax that day.

I charge it daily at work and I never left without a full charge, no matter how cold.

I guess I am more part of the second group. 1 in 5 doesn’t seem that bad.

I can see households with 2 vehicles having one being electric, but I don’t see them taking over ICE vehicles anytime soon.

Too many people without a place to charge them, most people around me park on the street, or even if they have a garage they park in their driveways.

Having one or two chargers at Walmart isn’t going to cut it when 50% of cars are electric and need somewhere to charge.

Are chargers just going to be in every parking spot? Parking lots and the sides of streets?

Copper has just reached all time high prices, I wonder if that will factor in to overall costs of electric cars and upgrading the entire grid for increased demand and the need for chargers everywhere.

I wouldn’t mind an electric car, but let the market determine what’s most cost efficient. Keep government subsidies and tax cuts out of it. If electric is more economical then let the market pick winners and losers.

I'm just not a koolaid guzzling dickrider
I'm a cynical bastard
according to the naive predictions of the 50s, we should all be flitting about in flying cars and have nuclear reactors galore - but that didn't pan out

iT wIlL iMpRoVe - yes, but the improvements likely will stop after awhile (whenever that might be) for any number of reasons, shit plateaus (eg Moore's Law held true...until it didn't)

If I was a suburbanite homeowner who could afford one, I wouldn't rule out an EV - but I'm not, so it's ICE econboxes for me

well, the mainstream narrative about EVs is the environmentally driven, soooo

scalability is often a mofo

meanwhile in clown world, that's never going to be the case

This is an astute observation. I have fallen for this myself and didn't even realize it. Its exhausting keeping a mental score on whose winning and whose losing instead of just doing what you want. Subnet, you made me think and perhaps changed my thinking.  
@Subnet

You are correct and we should all think about our bias and why we have it

Same as most bias, fear of change and comfort in the familiar and well known.

Yep. One of the reasons I've not hung out here as much the last couple months. I'm sick of binary argument thinking people.

I mentioned this in the Porsche thread... but just another data point of "electric cars work fine on road trips if you put about 30 seconds of forethought in to it".

Drove from Arlington to my parents farm in WV.

Left the house fully-charged, stopped in Staunton, VA (half way point) at the Walmart there. Plugged in at 46% battery. Walked to Dunkin Donuts to grab a cup of coffee and an avocado toast (true story )... was at 96% ~20 mins later when we got back to the car.

Hopped back on the road and drove the rest of the way and plugged in my dad's workshop.

...

On the way home Monday, I did the same in reverse.

So basically, a ~600 mi round trip and spent LESS time standing around doing nothing than if I had been using an ICE car.

There is a more subtle underlying argument that most gloss over with recycling.  Lithium by all accounts is going to be in short supply if whole fleet electrification is the goal and being able to recycle those batteries vs refine and build new plays into that.    I'm not against EV's, more my push back is the rush to jam them down the public's throat by .gov with little regard to the position that places the US from an infrastructure and national security standpoint.  

IMHO, remove the mandates kill the tax credits including carbon credit system and let's see how this plays out.

That's a pretty long post to just say that Tesla's charge perfectly fine in freezing weather.

No one was asking if the battery by itself freezes below 32F. Tesla accounted for this, and designed to car to work just fine. It's a non-issue.

That's just for simple minded people. It's nothing new. The lower levels of the population have always been easily led through manipulation. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

Don't equate yourself with that level of People.

Were you using a 220v at your dads? Just curious if you just threw a breaker/circuit on there to charge your car real quick, he had it already setup, or you were just using a 120v charger?

Not being a dick with those questions just genuinely curious because I like the car :).