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Posted: 6/8/2019 8:43:58 PM EDT
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Don't care ( goes in shed looks at two Honda gen sets an fuel cell...Snickers).
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Posted: 6/8/2019 8:45:35 PM EDT
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So it's going to be a hot ass weekend and the northern CA people cannot run their AIRcondidtioners because the power will be out. Nice. really nice. They'd change their stupid forest "management" ways in a hurry. Prior to 1800s, some part of the US was always on fire, and CA wants things "back to nature", not realizing that continual fire IS nature. Pine trees are dependent on fire for spreading. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:01:42 PM EDT
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There's a lot more truth in that than in the OP's bullshit. But also the problem is so big that nobody knows how to pay for fixing it. https://www.vox.com/2018/9/1/17800358/california-mendocino-wildfire-dead-trees Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no need. PG&E quit doing preventative maintenance on power lines in the mid 1980's as a cost-cutting measure, so now blackouts are included in their terms of service contracts.  https://www.vox.com/2018/9/1/17800358/california-mendocino-wildfire-dead-trees The ugly side effect is you have more days of blackouts. And they don't really even fix the problem. They slap on a patch and it breaks again in a year. We had an hour-long blackout this afternoon. Not one of those planned blackouts like up in the Sierra foothills today, but a regular blackout from faulty power lines and transformers. A "regular blackout." Think about that for a minute. 
My subdivision is old and we have above-ground power lines. Since PG&E stopped performing maintenance, it's been a shitshow to live around here. We experience regular blackouts year-round now. They used to only occur after a major Winter storm when the lines blew down. But since PG&E stopped performing regular scheduled maintenance, the blackout now occur year-round. Nice cool Spring day, no wind, and a blackout.
Greedy cocksuckers. 
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:03:41 PM EDT
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It's the truth. I remember when they did it in 1985 or so. One year, you saw crews replacing poles, lines and transformers as part of a regular maintenance schedule, and the next year, they start showing up only when something breaks. The ugly side effect is you have more days of blackouts. And they don't really even fix the problem. They slap on a patch and it breaks again in a year. We had an hour-long blackout this afternoon. Not one of those planned blackouts like up in the Sierra foothills today, but a regular blackout from faulty power lines and transformers. A "regular blackout." Think about that for a minute.
My subdivision is old and we have above-ground power lines. Since PG&E stopped performing maintenance, it's been a shitshow to live around here. We experience regular blackouts year-round now. They used to only occur after a major Winter storm when the lines blew down. But since PG&E stopped performing regular scheduled maintenance, the blackout now occur year-round. Nice cool Spring day, no wind, and a blackout.
Greedy cocksuckers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's no need. PG&E quit doing preventative maintenance on power lines in the mid 1980's as a cost-cutting measure, so now blackouts are included in their terms of service contracts. https://www.vox.com/2018/9/1/17800358/california-mendocino-wildfire-dead-trees The ugly side effect is you have more days of blackouts. And they don't really even fix the problem. They slap on a patch and it breaks again in a year. We had an hour-long blackout this afternoon. Not one of those planned blackouts like up in the Sierra foothills today, but a regular blackout from faulty power lines and transformers. A "regular blackout." Think about that for a minute.
My subdivision is old and we have above-ground power lines. Since PG&E stopped performing maintenance, it's been a shitshow to live around here. We experience regular blackouts year-round now. They used to only occur after a major Winter storm when the lines blew down. But since PG&E stopped performing regular scheduled maintenance, the blackout now occur year-round. Nice cool Spring day, no wind, and a blackout.
Greedy cocksuckers. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:03:45 PM EDT
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what is interesting, is that I looked around some north bay tv stations for any human interest stories on people dealing with the power outage a while ago, and didn't see any....
I wonder if they will start doing stories on it, when the outage extends to a bigger population of people |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:09:12 PM EDT
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what is interesting, is that I looked around some north bay tv stations for any human interest stories on people dealing with the power outage a while ago, and didn't see any.... I wonder if they will start doing stories on it, when the outage extends to a bigger population of people They don’t care about the potential 26,000 in the foothills. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:11:55 PM EDT
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The power company was successfully sued for starting fires last year. They are responding to.that |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:12:43 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I just watched the Chernobyl series. That was a state run power plant too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what is going to happen when the people get fed up with the power outages and Gov Newsome announces that the State will seize and take over running of the power companies to fix it? This is because there's no competition possible. You have to buy electricity from whoever sells electricity where you live. There's no realistic way you can start "Fred's Electrical!" to compete. It's a monopoly sort of inevitably and irrevocably. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:14:35 PM EDT
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I'd bet Nancy Pelosi's
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:16:22 PM EDT
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If we shut down the roads, we can cut car accidents down to zero!  
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:18:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:21:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Underground lines would be extraordinarily expensive. Especially in a place the size of California. There’s also the problem of people hitting them while doing excavations and what not. Also when they have a fault (and they do fault) it’s much more difficult to locate. PG&E is in a tough spot it seems. <————substation guy. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:27:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was expecting more  |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:31:21 PM EDT
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Was going to post something along these lines. Seems safer to me to have power flowing through power lines than thousands of people firing up generators to get them through the outage. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:32:57 PM EDT
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Technically, all base utility companies are at least quasi-state run entities. Electric, gas, and water, sometimes waste disposal. Many are just straight up state (Municipal, or county- small S state) entities. Almost, if not all, have limits on profits. They have to request a utilities board of some kind for rate changes. If they exceed their limits on profits because of some beneficent conditions, in any given period, they often have to return them in some fashion, such as rebates or rate reductions. They have to provide services to customers that actually lose money, in many cases. They are almost always by law prohibited from accumulating liquid cash reserves during the good times to cover unforeseen existential situations, like storms and earthquakes and fires. Many are required to provide a minimum dividend on stocks. They cannot just go bankrupt and cease operations because it isn't worth it. They can go bankrupt in a sort of legal ethereal sense, but they can't just stop. This is because there's no competition possible. You have to buy electricity from whoever sells electricity where you live. There's no realistic way you can start "Fred's Electrical!" to compete. It's a monopoly sort of inevitably and irrevocably. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what is going to happen when the people get fed up with the power outages and Gov Newsome announces that the State will seize and take over running of the power companies to fix it? This is because there's no competition possible. You have to buy electricity from whoever sells electricity where you live. There's no realistic way you can start "Fred's Electrical!" to compete. It's a monopoly sort of inevitably and irrevocably. The California PUC is owned by the power companies. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What good will they be when you can't pump the gas out of the gas tanks. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:36:05 PM EDT
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regarding the clearing of vegetation from around the power line corridors there are distances and heights around the power lines that pg&e are allowed to cut to. the problem is, there are many areas where 1 - communities around the power lines don't like pg&e from clear cutting the corridors because 'the trees provide beauty and enhance property values' 2 - the areas around some of the corridors have trees much higher than the cutting easement, so if they fall, they will pull down the power lines anyway 3 - there is more miles of corridors they have to maintain than what they can afford to fund, based on what charges they can pass on to customers by the utility rate commission and most importantly, the heavily forested areas around the power line corridors have lots of fuel loads that have not been cleared for years, due to tree cutting and lumbering restrictions. don't allow people to cut forested areas or clear the underbrush, means lots more to burn in a lot of areas, and as they die, you get a lot of dead timber that builds up and isn't cleared away. prescribed burns would decrease some of this fuel load, and clear away a lot of fuel, but there are air quality restrictions on how much and when you can burn, so much of the stuff never gets permitted to be burned. over the years, instead of fires that can be easily managed, you get fire that breaks out, becoming huge wildfires, because of how much fuel there is to burn. pg&e was ordered to do an extensive clearing and inspection of it's lines and corridors. at the beginning of the year, pg&e complained, citing this https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/pge-says-it-might-have-to-quintuple-rates-if-forced-to-clear-trees.html alsup in april ordered pg&e to cease issuing dividends, and direct all funds toward implementing this vegetation management plan. basically, alsup will end up driving pg&e into further forms of bankruptcy until it broken up and sold off |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:39:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the truth. I remember when they did it in 1985 or so. One year, you saw crews replacing poles, lines and transformers as part of a regular maintenance schedule, and the next year, they start showing up only when something breaks. The ugly side effect is you have more days of blackouts. And they don't really even fix the problem. They slap on a patch and it breaks again in a year. We had an hour-long blackout this afternoon. Not one of those planned blackouts like up in the Sierra foothills today, but a regular blackout from faulty power lines and transformers. A "regular blackout." Think about that for a minute.
My subdivision is old and we have above-ground power lines. Since PG&E stopped performing maintenance, it's been a shitshow to live around here. We experience regular blackouts year-round now. They used to only occur after a major Winter storm when the lines blew down. But since PG&E stopped performing regular scheduled maintenance, the blackout now occur year-round. Nice cool Spring day, no wind, and a blackout.
Greedy cocksuckers. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've lived in the SF Bay Area for almost 40 years and I cannot recall a single instance where the California PUC denied PG&E their proposed rate increase. The California PUC is owned by the power companies. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:49:15 PM EDT
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Shut off SoCal's power, too. 
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:49:35 PM EDT
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And, I don't see a solution. People have to have electricity, and there's only one place to get it in any given location.
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:53:14 PM EDT
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Somehow they managed to provide power to california for decades. Either global warming is real, or this is the rolling blackouts part of transitioning to a 3rd world country They're just risk averse after the last shit show and blame. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2019 10:00:15 PM EDT
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All I know about PG&E is that I bought when they were around $8 and sold at $20. I saw that they were to big to fail and would be propped up.
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Posted: 6/8/2019 10:09:28 PM EDT
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All I know about PG&E is that I bought when they were around $8 and sold at $20. I saw that they were to big to fail and would be propped up. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 10:49:07 PM EDT
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PG&E is announcing that huge areas with lots of people will be without lights, electricity, and phone service?
It's so nice of them to give the bad hombres time to mobilize for raping/looting/pillaging during the outage. 
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:26:37 PM EDT
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I predict an increase in on-demand NG or propane gennys.
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:46:24 PM EDT
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I predict an increase in on-demand NG or propane gennys.
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:48:46 PM EDT
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I predict an increase in on-demand NG or propane gennys. 
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:51:04 PM EDT
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Whoa Tex. You're blaming the wrong guy, like a guy in a traffic jam getting mad at the car in front of him. See my earlier posts above. This isn't Walmart or Google. Its a pubic [sic] utility. They can't use rational free market schemes, by law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's the truth. I remember when they did it in 1985 or so. One year, you saw crews replacing poles, lines and transformers as part of a regular maintenance schedule, and the next year, they start showing up only when something breaks. The ugly side effect is you have more days of blackouts. And they don't really even fix the problem. They slap on a patch and it breaks again in a year. We had an hour-long blackout this afternoon. Not one of those planned blackouts like up in the Sierra foothills today, but a regular blackout from faulty power lines and transformers. A "regular blackout." Think about that for a minute.
My subdivision is old and we have above-ground power lines. Since PG&E stopped performing maintenance, it's been a shitshow to live around here. We experience regular blackouts year-round now. They used to only occur after a major Winter storm when the lines blew down. But since PG&E stopped performing regular scheduled maintenance, the blackout now occur year-round. Nice cool Spring day, no wind, and a blackout.
Greedy cocksuckers. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:51:49 PM EDT
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Maybe so, but doesn't refute my argument. PG&E is, like every other power company in this country, a bastard forced marriage of government and industry. It's a legal monopoly that opens the door wide to graft, incompetence, corruption and fuckery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've lived in the SF Bay Area for almost 40 years and I cannot recall a single instance where the California PUC denied PG&E their proposed rate increase. The California PUC is owned by the power companies. |
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't recall arguing with you about anything. 
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Posted: 6/8/2019 11:58:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:06:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regular scheduled maintenance is not allowed? How did they manage it for decades prior to the 1980's? Let's say every single member of the managerial staff of PG&E is an evil greedy bastard in it only for maximum money and we can just execute them and replace with beneficent state personnel. How you think that will go? It sure worked for Stalin with the Kulaks, hey? |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:11:01 AM EDT
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You can view the current PG&E outage areas here.
https://m.pge.com/#outages |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:11:10 AM EDT
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CA is the closest to a complete top down authority structure in the USA today. Arguably. That's exactly how you get Chernobyl's. The ignorant leading the masses of the blind into the ditches with no input from the ditch diggers.
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:13:54 AM EDT
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I bet the soup kitchens and hobo central will have power. Oh and of course the beautiful people of LA.
Fuck Cali. Let it burn. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:14:10 AM EDT
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I don't know about allowed, but I bet the rationale had much less to do with greed and capitalism than with follow the regs to the letter and make sure we can't be held liable. It's not like PG&E can just quit. you understand that? You also know that attributing all flails to greed perfectly conforms to a communist narrative? Let's say every single member of the managerial staff of PG&E is an evil greedy bastard in it only for maximum money and we can just execute them and replace with beneficent state personnel. How you think that will go? It sure worked for Stalin with the Kulaks, hey? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Regular scheduled maintenance is not allowed? How did they manage it for decades prior to the 1980's? Let's say every single member of the managerial staff of PG&E is an evil greedy bastard in it only for maximum money and we can just execute them and replace with beneficent state personnel. How you think that will go? It sure worked for Stalin with the Kulaks, hey? |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:21:34 AM EDT
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Sue for causing fires, we turn off your power in dry windy conditions. Pretty straightforward outcome. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:23:56 AM EDT
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My power company should
A) give me electricity B) not burn my state down. When did that become too much to ask for? Nobody else has to put up with this shit, do they? |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:24:38 AM EDT
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Somehow they managed to provide power to california for decades. Either global warming is real, or this is the rolling blackouts part of transitioning to a 3rd world country I suspect this is payback for not giving them immunity from the damage from fires started by their broken electrical lines. Last time we did this topic the GD thought power was going to be shut down to Los Angeles and San Francisco. 
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:27:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It impacted so few people down there, it won’t make news. Not when there is Trump to hate. They don’t care about the potential 26,000 in the foothills. 
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:31:30 AM EDT
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Yep. If I ran PG&E, I wouldn't turn the shit back on during fire season unless the government gave me an ironclad waiver of liability going forward. "You want to sue us for the fires, fine, no electricity for you!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sue for causing fires, we turn off your power in dry windy conditions. Pretty straightforward outcome. They have a huge monopoly, and a shit ton of gov. regulations. The PUC is a fucking joke as far as I can tell. With no competition, they either do what gov. says or do their own thing....which is what the Gov. says. It's really just a shit sandwich. The more bread you have the less shit you eat! |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:36:25 AM EDT
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My power company should A) give me electricity B) not burn my state down. When did that become too much to ask for? Nobody else has to put up with this shit, do they? Franklin Delano Roosevelt, if you want to get deep down. The TVA. Run power to all these bumpkins that will never ever pay in the long run. There's no way you can pay for running power lines way back to the south forty of bumfuck Egypt for a hillbilly trailer 37 miles from the neighbors that he can afford, so we decided to force it and you can only charge about the same as you charge dudes down the street from the plant. Then califotardation is active. This is the result. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 12:41:30 AM EDT
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Full Disclosure: I had a house 37 miles back from the south forty of East bumfuck. For 35 dollars they set like 87 poles and transformers and all that. My total electric receipts for the ten years I lived there were nowhere near enough to pay for that, but TVA. They had to.
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Posted: 6/9/2019 3:42:58 AM EDT
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Or lawyers smell blood in the water. I suspect this is payback for not giving them immunity from the damage from fires started by their broken electrical lines. Last time we did this topic the GD thought power was going to be shut down to Los Angeles and San Francisco. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somehow they managed to provide power to california for decades. Either global warming is real, or this is the rolling blackouts part of transitioning to a 3rd world country I suspect this is payback for not giving them immunity from the damage from fires started by their broken electrical lines. Last time we did this topic the GD thought power was going to be shut down to Los Angeles and San Francisco. |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 3:46:24 AM EDT
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I bet the soup kitchens and hobo central will have power. Oh and of course the beautiful people of LA. Fuck Cali. Let it burn. 
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Posted: 6/9/2019 4:08:25 AM EDT
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CA is the closest to a complete top down authority structure in the USA today. Arguably. That's exactly how you get Chernobyl's. The ignorant leading the masses of the blind into the ditches with no input from the ditch diggers. Didn't something just change where CA had to start forest management to prevent fires or lose fed funding? Did that go into effect, or did some CA judge say it wasn't fair? |
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Posted: 6/9/2019 4:36:53 AM EDT
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Breaking up PG&E sounds like a disaster for folks in the affected areas. Their rates would skyrocket afterwards.
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Posted: 6/9/2019 5:57:27 AM EDT
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Breaking up PG&E sounds like a disaster for folks in the affected areas. Their rates would skyrocket afterwards. And the International Banking Cartel's shell companies can buy up their land. Clintons win again. |
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