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Quoted: So the blue cities have massively reduced their carbon footprint, which is what they all proclaim to want to do, and they are very unhappy about that? Fucking communist hypocrites, figures, all that virtue signally to save the planet, goes out the window when the tax revenue goes down and the illegal immigrants shack up in all the shelters and contracted hotels. Fuckem. View Quote And this hits the nail squarely on the head. |
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When they get the unemployment rate up into the 15% range, remote work will greatly diminish
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Quoted: My entire team is 100% remote. CA, NV, NM, TX, TN, GA, NC, VA. We're all varying degrees of senior IT engineer. My manager expects that the team is responsive during business hours, meeting or exceeding the project demands as required, and he gets that. There is no "whining about being in the office". If it was a requirement, we'd all be fired. Thinking the best employees are the ones who sit in a cube all day is antiquated, old-school thinking in a modern workforce. At least in my field. View Quote Not only that but they can save a lot on actually not having an office. Except that these savings are never passed onto the employees. |
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IT worker here and 100% remote. My company has pushed RTO, but it has been loosely enforced. At least in the IT side.
From a physical standpoint, I can do 98% of what I need to do remotely. The other 2% is able to be handled by remote hands. So, for me, I plan to remain remote with no intention to RTO. It is simply not worth the cost in time and money. And my company has been bringing in offshore resources, further proving RTO is not about productivity, but more of a "follow the money" game. YMMV |
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Medicine is, for some specialties, going to more and more telemedicine.
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Quoted: Medicine is, for some specialties, going to more and more telemedicine. View Quote Yup. A radiologist neighbor works at home, I think for NightHawk Radiology. They employ doctors all over the world to provide 24x7 coverage. |
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Quoted: Once several layers of management started to realize they were not needed and loss leaders that truly had little purpose or value to a company with WFH employees that did their jobs, WFH was dead. Layered management would rather sink a company financially then lose their own job and not being able to physically ''boss'' people around, they lost meaning in their lives. I have spent the last couple of years watching MANAGEMENT, not the actual employees doing the work, destroy a very profitable part of the company where I work. If it has grown and profited for 2.5 decades or more, and then starts to lose money when the only difference is what management changed, then management is very likely to blame. And unlike management, I actually talked to the customers and knew what was pissing them off and it was 100% due to management related changes. I can retire any time I want to so IDGAF in some ways but US management is so focused on short term profits that they will completely destroy entire companies and sections to gain it. [And the theft and BS I was seeing from outside contractors doing much of the work and the very likely payoffs and blind eyes of management was staggering, I started documenting it and I got my work in that area cut almost immediately] View Quote QFT |
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In the past year, 2 people left the IT team I'm in and took remote jobs - one in IL and one in CA. Two replacements came from one state away and another from three states away. I'm over an hour away from the new building our department was moved to. I'm not going back into the office. The bigger IT department lost quite a few people during COVID. I doubt they're in any condition to make demands.
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I'm not worried at all. I can stare at a Zoom screen at home just as effectively in the office. My team spans all US time zones. If my company went retardedly RTO for some reason (they've gone the opposite and have hired fully remote positions), I'd just find another job easy enough. Life's too short to deal with boomer management.
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tl/dr warning, and ZFG if you were in the "slow readers group" past 3rd grade.
I started a 100% WFH job 4 years ago, just 6 months before Covid hit. And I just accepted a new offer this past Friday on another 100% WFH job with a 30% bump in pay. Granted, that past 3 years of inflation makes that a bit of a pyrrhic victory, but ya gotta do what you gotta do. There may well be some short-term reversals in WFH over the various cities and a sympathetic fed.gov in a panic at their tax bases being gutted, and they play whatever cards they have, like those that cite news stories of tax breaks and incentives, especially existing ones being leveraged against employers to force RTO. Unfortunately, for any city that has a significant tax base dependence on white-collar knowledge work office space tenants and commuting, they're fucked. Long-term, it simply won't work. Even the most hardball Mafia-style protection racket steps possible by state & municipal governments, even with iron-clad tax breaks, TIF's, or anything else to hold over employers, it's only going to slow a fraction of the bleeding. And only temporarily. Follow the money, always. Ultimately, all businesses that can will follow WFH because it's far cheaper. Employees will accept lower pay, or at least less aggressive increases, because they don't need to commute, they might need only one car for their family, or they can even move somewhere with a lower cost of living, or apply for the job from the cheaper place in which they already live. A WFH company has no, or at least far less: rent, HVAC bill, coffee service, foam cups, napkins, cafeteria, doorman/security guard, janitors, toilet paper, soap, parking lot, winter snow plowing, grounds/landscaping, or electric bill... And companies that are currently "stuck" with a tax break/incentive agreement, big mortgage, a lease, or even an entire skyscraper they have 100% paid off... they WILL eventually leave when they can. And besides the handcuffs being far from all the employers, or even half, the municipal governments are really only stalling 5-10 years, tops. Meanwhile, all the employers with no handcuffs have already left, creating an unsustainable commercial office lease vacancy rate, and a discounted rent and real estate spiral no matter what happens. And the "Just turn it all into apartments!"-ideas? For who, exactly? And even if the renters existed, which they won't, because of WFH jobs having left the city, converting an office building to residential is an expensive shitshow. And almost always borderline unprofitable. And companies that staunchly fight for RTO, some will actually go tits-up. Employees that can will bail for WFH opportunities. Fewer new-hire candidates will apply for RTO jobs. They'll get lousier employees with lower quality work output, talent, & skills, when or where that matters. Some employers will bend over and take the tax hits, break leases snd pay penalties, or do whatever else to get WFH going before they circle the drain. And municipal & state governments cannot get taxes from a corpse in bankruptcy. And besides loss of property taxes, the municipalities & states will be losing on road, bridge, & tunnel tolls. Speeding, parking, & traffic tickets. Train & bus fares. Taxi shields/licenses. Hotdog vendor cart permits... it goes on and on. And to a large degree, the city will not physically shrink, even if WFH & generational decline pulls residents out of the city in addition to employers. There's the same streets, bridges, buildings, and miles of municipal infrastructure, even if there's less people using it & tax income to support it. If Police, EMS, Fire, & city DPW can't handle it, because of budget austerity, then even more flee the city, at least those that can. And those who can't, I'm sure everyone understands full well they will not behave better because of all this. Suddenly, we're looking at multiple "Detroits" with significant open greenspace & brown fields. The Democrats/Left, who were enjoying the slow progression of ever more urban density, gaining them de-facto state legislature and Congressional/Electoral College control over states, like how NYC dominates NYS, Chicago lords over Illinois, and L.A. & S.F. own California... They're going to absolutely lose their shit. Either at simply seeing their advantageous trend halted, or any of it actually reversed. Remember, it's not just the math of: "Blue Americans moving to Red counties and ruining them." at work here. The remaining Blue "productive class" moving outwards can and does up the population and Census apportionment of Red districts, that still will remain Red too. The Racial Social-Justice whining, eventually SCREAMING over all of this hasn't even begun to hit yet. What amounts to "White-Flight Part II" but now they don't even commute into downtown for their 9-5 job M-F anymore... we're going to see some crazy shit in the coming decade. We'll see more and more overt demands for suburbs & rural areas to simply "pay up" in various ways. And that's going to get interesting, especially if the demographic moves from WFH & generational decline throw more State legislatures & Congress Red through Census/redistricting, and they refuse to hand over extra money. Some nominally Blue/Lefty cities might do a 180° and stomp hard on "urban crime" desperately trying to woo economic activity back, leaving BLM & Soros-funded DA's with heads spinning, and in the dust. I mean, we all KNOW the Left is really good at the "cattle car stuff" when they get overly excited. Getting the big-city "School to Prison Pipeline" restarted, and working 3 shifts 24/7 is peanuts in comparison. And the debate over WFH productivity? Those who claim their employer's productivity stayed level, or even improved vs. those who show problems with WFH people not working, sleeping, binging Netflix, spanking the monkey, or not even being home, out shopping or whatever? And then the pro-WFH person counters how the RTO folks often get bupkis accomplished in the office, because they spend all day at the "smokers door," the Water Cooler, the bathroom w/smartphone, gabbing at their work-buddie's desk about sports, or off at a 1.75 hour offsite lunch... round and round that debate goes. That's all irrelevant in the long run. Employers will eventually figure this out. Culture, management techniques, metrics, deliverables, enforcement, whatever it is, they'll do it. Or, they'll fail, and eventually a competitor that figured it out will take over. And, there's going to be tons of solutions, some elegant & inspired, some will be brutal micromanagement technological monitoring nightmares. Which will all eventually work itself out as well. As the new techniques, styles, and tech, whatever the "secret sauce" is... it will still be a damn sight cheaper than renting a skyscraper. It will not be immediately, but for any business that can function as WFH... WFH will "win" eventually. |
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We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us.
Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. |
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Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. View Quote You seem a huge proponent, which is cool. Glad it works. Genuinely awesome, no sarcasm. But your state says KY. Who the fuck lives in KY when they can work remote from anywhere in the world. Spain, Greece, Italy, SE Asia, from the deck of a yacht in the med? I mean talk about real opportunity wasted. The world is your oyster. |
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True story. I do networking for 30 years.
The people who actually engineer shit, moving 10-50 gig files around daily have made a very compelling case that it’s much slower to do their work in office. It’s actually faster from their home because it’s all cloud with their 500-1000 meg links, and just 10 ms of added latency adds huge impact. Not a bandwidth problem, but the application they use ping pongs like a mother fucker We’re talking speed of light turns their workflow from 20 minutes per file to 3 hours. From latency only. Work from home is here to stay. |
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Quoted: You seem a huge proponent, which is cool. Glad it works. Genuinely awesome, no sarcasm. But your state says KY. Who the fuck lives in KY when they can work remote from anywhere in the world. Spain, Greece, Italy, SE Asia, from the deck of a yacht in the med? I mean talk about real opportunity wasted. The world is your oyster. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. You seem a huge proponent, which is cool. Glad it works. Genuinely awesome, no sarcasm. But your state says KY. Who the fuck lives in KY when they can work remote from anywhere in the world. Spain, Greece, Italy, SE Asia, from the deck of a yacht in the med? I mean talk about real opportunity wasted. The world is your oyster. Plenty of people. The son of a friend lives near Red River Gorge, KY where every day he can rock climb and work remote. He's a very recent graduate, already bought his own home, and saving tons of money. One problem with that though is there are far fewer, and sometimes zero, hospitals or emergency medical services, close to cheap remote areas. There's a reason they're cheap. |
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Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. View Quote That dynamic won’t last forever. Interest rates being high are going to put pressure on the labor market and RTO is a good way to avoid layoff headlines. |
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Quoted: Urban areas (democrats) are losing their tax revenues View Quote Yup, the Columbus, OH city government complained a lot about that. The Republican controlled state legislature passed a temporary law during Covid-19 to allow cities to collect income tax based on the employer location instead of the work location, e.g., employee home. We're back to the original law again, as far as I know. Why should income tax go to a city I don't even work in. |
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100% wfh here. Would never return to in office work, not for anything.
I get so much value from my time at home. If I had a kid I would probably be coaching them on how to ensure they can secure a wfh job so they could invest all the spare time in their personal passions/home care. Sometimes I hunt in my back woods while I'm working from home, and the company is happier than ever with what I produce. |
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Quoted: Plenty of people. The son of a friend lives near Red River Gorge, KY where every day he can rock climb and work remote. He's a very recent graduate, already bought his own home, and saving tons of money. One problem with that though is there are far fewer, and sometimes zero, hospitals or emergency medical services, close to cheap remote areas. There's a reason they're cheap. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. You seem a huge proponent, which is cool. Glad it works. Genuinely awesome, no sarcasm. But your state says KY. Who the fuck lives in KY when they can work remote from anywhere in the world. Spain, Greece, Italy, SE Asia, from the deck of a yacht in the med? I mean talk about real opportunity wasted. The world is your oyster. Plenty of people. The son of a friend lives near Red River Gorge, KY where every day he can rock climb and work remote. He's a very recent graduate, already bought his own home, and saving tons of money. One problem with that though is there are far fewer, and sometimes zero, hospitals or emergency medical services, close to cheap remote areas. There's a reason they're cheap. Nothing against KY, I’d ask the same question about any state. I should have been more clear. Later in life, making good money, when a person could afford to travel. But even a young person could do it. He could be rock climbing in a different country every month if that sport is his passion. |
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Quoted: My entire team is 100% remote. CA, NV, NM, TX, TN, GA, NC, VA. We're all varying degrees of senior IT engineer. My manager expects that the team is responsive during business hours, meeting or exceeding the project demands as required, and he gets that. There is no "whining about being in the office". If it was a requirement, we'd all be fired. Thinking the best employees are the ones who sit in a cube all day is antiquated, old-school thinking in a modern workforce. At least in my field. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: If you live close to work you can easily be in the office everyday. This is where living close to work has an advantage over living far away. Of course, if you want to change jobs and still stay close to work you may have to move. Our youngest has an advantage over coworkers by her walking into the office everyday, while other employees are there only 2 or 3 days a week. All other things being equal who does the boss think more highly of? The people that whine about being in the office or the person that is there everyday? My entire team is 100% remote. CA, NV, NM, TX, TN, GA, NC, VA. We're all varying degrees of senior IT engineer. My manager expects that the team is responsive during business hours, meeting or exceeding the project demands as required, and he gets that. There is no "whining about being in the office". If it was a requirement, we'd all be fired. Thinking the best employees are the ones who sit in a cube all day is antiquated, old-school thinking in a modern workforce. At least in my field. This. Get up early and burn gas screaming at other drivers to go in and…work on things remotely. ![]() |
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Quoted: That dynamic won’t last forever. Interest rates being high are going to put pressure on the labor market and RTO is a good way to avoid layoff headlines. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. That dynamic won’t last forever. Interest rates being high are going to put pressure on the labor market and RTO is a good way to avoid layoff headlines. ![]() Good luck attracting the best of the best! Interest rates, lol. “We’ll just fire all our top performers” |
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Quoted: tl/dr warning, and ZFG if you were in the "slow readers group" past 3rd grade. I started a 100% WFH job 4 years ago, just 6 months before Covid hit. And I just accepted a new offer this past Friday on another 100% WFH job with a 30% bump in pay. Granted, that past 3 years of inflation makes that a bit of a pyrrhic victory, but ya gotta do what you gotta do. There may well be some short-term reversals in WFH over the various cities and a sympathetic fed.gov in a panic at their tax bases being gutted, and they play whatever cards they have, like those that cite news stories of tax breaks and incentives, especially existing ones being leveraged against employers to force RTO. Unfortunately, for any city that has a significant tax base dependence on white-collar knowledge work office space tenants and commuting, they're fucked. Long-term, it simply won't work. Even the most hardball Mafia-style protection racket steps possible by state & municipal governments, even with iron-clad tax breaks, TIF's, or anything else to hold over employers, it's only going to slow a fraction of the bleeding. And only temporarily. Follow the money, always. Ultimately, all businesses that can will follow WFH because it's far cheaper. Employees will accept lower pay, or at least less aggressive increases, because they don't need to commute, they might need only one car for their family, or they can even move somewhere with a lower cost of living, or apply for the job from the cheaper place in which they already live. A WFH company has no, or at least far less: rent, HVAC bill, coffee service, foam cups, napkins, cafeteria, doorman/security guard, janitors, toilet paper, soap, parking lot, winter snow plowing, grounds/landscaping, or electric bill... And companies that are currently "stuck" with a tax break/incentive agreement, big mortgage, a lease, or even an entire skyscraper they have 100% paid off... they WILL eventually leave when they can. And besides the handcuffs being far from all the employers, or even half, the municipal governments are really only stalling 5-10 years, tops. Meanwhile, all the employers with no handcuffs have already left, creating an unsustainable commercial office lease vacancy rate, and a discounted rent and real estate spiral no matter what happens. And the "Just turn it all into apartments!"-ideas? For who, exactly? And even if the renters existed, which they won't, because of WFH jobs having left the city, converting an office building to residential is an expensive shitshow. And almost always borderline unprofitable. And companies that staunchly fight for RTO, some will actually go tits-up. Employees that can will bail for WFH opportunities. Fewer new-hire candidates will apply for RTO jobs. They'll get lousier employees with lower quality work output, talent, & skills, when or where that matters. Some employers will bend over and take the tax hits, break leases snd pay penalties, or do whatever else to get WFH going before they circle the drain. And municipal & state governments cannot get taxes from a corpse in bankruptcy. And besides loss of property taxes, the municipalities & states will be losing on road, bridge, & tunnel tolls. Speeding, parking, & traffic tickets. Train & bus fares. Taxi shields/licenses. Hotdog vendor cart permits... it goes on and on. And to a large degree, the city will not physically shrink, even if WFH & generational decline pulls residents out of the city in addition to employers. There's the same streets, bridges, buildings, and miles of municipal infrastructure, even if there's less people using it & tax income to support it. If Police, EMS, Fire, & city DPW can't handle it, because of budget austerity, then even more flee the city, at least those that can. And those who can't, I'm sure everyone understands full well they will not behave better because of all this. Suddenly, we're looking at multiple "Detroits" with significant open greenspace & brown fields. The Democrats/Left, who were enjoying the slow progression of ever more urban density, gaining them de-facto state legislature and Congressional/Electoral College control over states, like how NYC dominates NYS, Chicago lords over Illinois, and L.A. & S.F. own California... They're going to absolutely lose their shit. Either at simply seeing their advantageous trend halted, or any of it actually reversed. Remember, it's not just the math of: "Blue Americans moving to Red counties and ruining them." at work here. The remaining Blue "productive class" moving outwards can and does up the population and Census apportionment of Red districts, that still will remain Red too. The Racial Social-Justice whining, eventually SCREAMING over all of this hasn't even begun to hit yet. What amounts to "White-Flight Part II" but now they don't even commute into downtown for their 9-5 job M-F anymore... we're going to see some crazy shit in the coming decade. We'll see more and more overt demands for suburbs & rural areas to simply "pay up" in various ways. And that's going to get interesting, especially if the demographic moves from WFH & generational decline throw more State legislatures & Congress Red through Census/redistricting, and they refuse to hand over extra money. Some nominally Blue/Lefty cities might do a 180° and stomp hard on "urban crime" desperately trying to woo economic activity back, leaving BLM & Soros-funded DA's with heads spinning, and in the dust. I mean, we all KNOW the Left is really good at the "cattle car stuff" when they get overly excited. Getting the big-city "School to Prison Pipeline" restarted, and working 3 shifts 24/7 is peanuts in comparison. And the debate over WFH productivity? Those who claim their employer's productivity stayed level, or even improved vs. those who show problems with WFH people not working, sleeping, binging Netflix, spanking the monkey, or not even being home, out shopping or whatever? And then the pro-WFH person counters how the RTO folks often get bupkis accomplished in the office, because they spend all day at the "smokers door," the Water Cooler, the bathroom w/smartphone, gabbing at their work-buddie's desk about sports, or off at a 1.75 hour offsite lunch... round and round that debate goes. That's all irrelevant in the long run. Employers will eventually figure this out. Culture, management techniques, metrics, deliverables, enforcement, whatever it is, they'll do it. Or, they'll fail, and eventually a competitor that figured it out will take over. And, there's going to be tons of solutions, some elegant & inspired, some will be brutal micromanagement technological monitoring nightmares. Which will all eventually work itself out as well. As the new techniques, styles, and tech, whatever the "secret sauce" is... it will still be a damn sight cheaper than renting a skyscraper. It will not be immediately, but for any business that can function as WFH... WFH will "win" eventually. View Quote Seems a sound assessment. |
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Tech/IT is never fully going back. Most places prob will stay 100% if they can. Why go back when productivity goes up along with quality of life for employees?
Even those who are back in the office essentially work remote at the office bc most are remote and teams/screenshare etc is only method of comms. |
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I'm 100% remote and I will retire before I ever go back to that usual in-office bullshit.
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Quoted: I'm not worried at all. I can stare at a Zoom screen at home just as effectively in the office. My team spans all US time zones. If my company went retardedly RTO for some reason (they've gone the opposite and have hired fully remote positions), I'd just find another job easy enough. Life's too short to deal with boomer management. View Quote |
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Quoted: Absolutely no person that's been full remote at our company has been anything close to reasonably productive. As far as my anecdotal experience is concerned, it's a good way for the folks that would normally be fucking off on their phone or taking 8 bathroom breaks to not even have to try to hide it anymore. Remote work is a race to the bottom and may as well be company funded UBI. View Quote Not true. There are jobs where your productivity can be tracked very easily. Triage as an RN. You're either ready for a call, talking, charting after the call, or some "not ready" code such as break, meal, training, etc.... You either hit your required metrics or you don't, and the only thing different by being remote is that you're not in a loud call center with distractions. |
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Quoted: ![]() Good luck attracting the best of the best! Interest rates, lol. “We’ll just fire all our top performers” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We’re not coming back to the office. The highly skilled people just aren’t. And you can’t make us. Go ahead and fire us. We’ll go work for your competition that doesn’t do that. For more money. That dynamic won’t last forever. Interest rates being high are going to put pressure on the labor market and RTO is a good way to avoid layoff headlines. ![]() Good luck attracting the best of the best! Interest rates, lol. “We’ll just fire all our top performers” When companies start blowing up because they can’t roll their debt over, the labor market will shift. |
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Companies will find people that will come in and they will find people that want to work from home.
Just hired a guy that starts November 20th that was work from home. He has to come in every day now. Lost an HR guy to work from home. Everyone will be fine |
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Quoted: Not true. There are jobs where your productivity can be tracked very easily. Triage as an RN. You're either ready for a call, talking, charting after the call, or some "not ready" code such as break, meal, training, etc.... You either hit your required metrics or you don't, and the only thing different by being remote is that you're not in a loud call center with distractions. View Quote Yes, hands-on jobs - RN or ER doctor seeing patients, mechanic, construction worker, etc. - will never be remote. They still benefit from those of us who do WFH because we're not on the roads clogging up their commutes every day. |
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Quoted: Yes, hands-on jobs - RN or ER doctor seeing patients, mechanic, construction worker, etc. - will never be remote. They still benefit from those of us who do WFH because we're not on the roads clogging up their commutes every day. View Quote Driving to the hospital during COVID was glorious. Now, the walk to my office holding my coffee cup is more glorious. ![]() |
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I have been work from home long before covid (2009). My focus is BizDev. So I travel doing demos, sales calls or training. I cover the entire us. I have 4 people under me. 3 are remote and regionally based, while one is office based. They all perform the same and meet expectations. The only difference I see is m Flagpole employee will be co-opted by management to assist with tasks or other teams that are based in the office.
I think covid forced WFH into sectors that have been traditionally based WFO and some discovered that it’s better for the company and some didn’t. I think it will be here for a long time but not in all the industries or capacity we saw it during covid. |
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We need the millennials to get into C suite positions en masse before this is settled. Generally speaking, it’s the younger managers who understand that hybrid isn’t a question about number of days in office on Teams calls; it’s the mix of in person meetings when that’s helpful, and WFH the rest of the time.
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Quoted: Most companies have realized that they no longer need to keep expanding their expenses for office workers. They have, effectively, shifted those costs to the employees. And, they do NOT want those costs back. Some companies have gone to a "hotelling" setup in much smaller office space so that when on-site meetings need to take place, they can but the era of companies buying huge amounts of office space for all of their people is over, regardless of what the downtown real estate hawkers are saying. Companies have found yet another way to increase profits and bonuses to executives buy cutting expenses. View Quote Yep the downside of working from home is that you actually need a home plus all the equipment and a good internet connection and a computer. and you get to pay for all that. WFH should pay at least as much as office work |
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In the last few years, my company had sold our headquarters campus and moved into something much smaller and leased. It is still mostly empty.
Field offices have been getting downsized and consolidated. You only need enough to host a customer once in a while. Companies see geographic diversity as a way to achieve societal diversity goals without additional expense. Office space is expensive to operate. Who wants to deal with maintenance, air quality, and furniture lifecycling. Companies that insist on being in person will have higher expenses than companies that don’t. Not everything can be WFH. But it will become more the norm in IT with everything moving to cloud services and lights out datacenters. |
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In 2021 I was told to get my team back on the office at least 3 days a week. I neglected to mention it to them.
That being said I did return myself 3-4 days a week mostly to keep tabs on the leadership team's moves and the ability to print large drawings on the plotter. |
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Of the people my wife manages over half don’t even live in the area and one actually lives in Europe. They’re never coming back into the office. Some of the top brass actually sold their homes in the city and relocated to their vacation/ future retirement homes during the pandemic. Company provides contacts agreeing to permanent work from home if your manager likes you and you say you want to move / new hires who don’t live in the area.
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Employers who do not require their non-supervisory top talent mentor junior employees on a daily basis will fall behind.
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Quoted: Employers who do not require their non-supervisory top talent mentor junior employees on a daily basis will fall behind. Kharn View Quote KT's (Knowledge Transfers), team coding sessions, mentoring, etc. all can be done remotely. I would know, I've done them. I've worked with co-workers in Arizona on projects before on camera, using screen shares. My (now former) client in Switzerland, the same. I've met with their engineers off-site in France and Germany. I've held meetings in Thailand with people in Maryland, Texas, and myriad other places. The idea that mentoring would stop because we're not all huddled in an office is positively, demonstrably ludicrous. |
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Quoted: Zoom itself required that employees within 50 miles RTO at least twice a week. I see a lot of companies adopting a hybrid 2-4 days in the office, the rest at home. I do believe that might last longer, but 100% WFH opportunities seem to be dwindling fast among the larger employees and industries I watch (financial, insurance, F100 corporate HQs, etc). View Quote My friend who moved to a more rural area during covid is looking to move back closer to an Urban center. Lost his one remote job and when he started looking the writing is on the wall as to companies wanting in person at least part time. People in these thread who think you are going to have some virtual WFH strike, that isn't how this is going to work. Companies will go back to hiring local candidates first. Those employees will have in their employment agreement that they are in the office part time. It'll be a slow gradual thing. |
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Quoted: My friend who moved to a more rural area during covid is looking to move back closer to an Urban center. Lost his one remote job and when he started looking the writing is on the wall as to companies wanting in person at least part time. People in these thread who think you are going to have some virtual WFH strike, that isn't how this is going to work. Companies will go back to hiring local candidates first. Those employees will have in their employment agreement that they are in the office part time. It'll be a slow gradual thing. View Quote Are you basing that off of your one friend? |
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Just some perspective... This is an off-the-cuff, quick glance at remote jobs JUST on the Indeed platform. I have no criteria as I'm not signed in. Note, this is a snapshot as of right now. Jobs are constantly expiring, jobs are constantly being added. They run the gamut - customer service, engineering, platform-specific roles (ServiceNow et al), and others. Full-time, part-time, contract, etc. Again, this is just what is shown on there as of a check TODAY with no filtering.
104,307 jobs. Not to mention companies who don't use Indeed, but will use other platforms. There are companies who will only use sites like Weworkremotely and such for strictly remote employees. 104,307 jobs is pretty telling. These include fully-remote and hybrid. ![]() Here is a snapshot with only fully-remote jobs available. 102,188 jobs. ![]() |
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