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Quoted: Their quality sucks on everything but they target markets to destroy competition. They don’t have to make a profit over there. They use slave labor. They can afford to lose money until the drive their competitors out of business. View Quote It's fucking mind boggling this has to be explained to members |
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Quoted: No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. We give China billions of dollars. Are you not fucking paying attention? We waste trillions on other countries. Did you even think about this before you typed it? I work with this shit every damned day. Uneven trade practices with China has ruined many important American industries. Targeted tariffs will help to correct things but it will take years to fix it. You guys pretending our trade with China is not a big problem are absolutely kidding yourselves. You think you can control the global market. How cute. You don’t even understand that there is a global market, and tariffs against China will absolutely take money out of China. You seem to be missing the fact that China has been waging war against us for decades. No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. No kidding. I am not advocating for across the board tariffs , merely tariffs against China. Every post you make shows you don’t understand what is happening and why. |
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Quoted: No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. We give China billions of dollars. Are you not fucking paying attention? We waste trillions on other countries. Did you even think about this before you typed it? I work with this shit every damned day. Uneven trade practices with China has ruined many important American industries. Targeted tariffs will help to correct things but it will take years to fix it. You guys pretending our trade with China is not a big problem are absolutely kidding yourselves. You think you can control the global market. How cute. You don’t even understand that there is a global market, and tariffs against China will absolutely take money out of China. You seem to be missing the fact that China has been waging war against us for decades. No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. Thats...the whole point. We want to make Chinese products no longer cheap and competitive on the US market, so businesses will switch supply chains to goods made in India/Mexico/Vietnam / literally anywhere other than China. Cost of labor is already cheaper in Mexico then China. And having a great big beautiful wall of Mexican manufacturing jobs will help slow illegal immigration plus boost the net productive capacity of North America and harden US supply lines in a WW3 scenario. |
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Quoted: We need to go full trade war on China. We need to force the supply chains out of China. DeSantis just lost 2028. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: All of the Statist, Big Gov, RINOS are pro china See Cocaine Mitch F THE CCP By extension, F GD'S SACRED COW HOLOSUN Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! |
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Quoted: Their quality sucks on everything but they target markets to destroy competition. They don’t have to make a profit over there. They use slave labor. They can afford to lose money until the drive their competitors out of business. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don’t worry, they can get jobs at Walmart so they can afford cheap slave labor manufactured Chinese shit. Or they could make shit more efficiently or something else. I compete with China daily and win. Their quality sucks on lots of stuff and that can be exploited to win without higher taxes. Their quality sucks on everything but they target markets to destroy competition. They don’t have to make a profit over there. They use slave labor. They can afford to lose money until the drive their competitors out of business. Millions of American businesses beat China every day. Millions more business sell China and USA at the same time. Even with China manipulating their currency the market still works. They force us to be more competitive on some things and they cannot compete on quality. We make choices every day and manipulation of those choices always has horrible unforseen consequences. Your manipulations are going to be just as destructive as the Chicoms. You just lack the humility to realize you are just as wrong as they are. |
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Good. Now those Chicoms will have more bottom line money to throw at procuring more residential and commercial real estate.
Won't hit em militarily. Won't hit em politically. Won't hit em economically. Fucking Rinos. |
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Quoted: It is in the best interest of this country to move away from China as a source of things. It is a strategic vulnerability. I don't much care how we do it, but it needs to be done. View Quote One way is to lower corporate taxes (which you and I pay in the price of goods and services). |
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Quoted: Thats...the whole point. We want to make Chinese products no longer cheap and competitive on the US market, so businesses will switch supply chains to goods made in India/Mexico/Vietnam / literally anywhere other than China. View Quote That's what TPP was supposed to do. Notice what country isn't mentioned. |
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Quoted: Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All of the Statist, Big Gov, RINOS are pro china See Cocaine Mitch F THE CCP By extension, F GD'S SACRED COW HOLOSUN Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! No. Just a chicom supporting rino apparently. |
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Quoted: People think they're conservative but they're not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Wait, so it's statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? To be fair, conservatives haven’t exactly been champions of free trade. Vis-à-vis, the big sucking sound of Mexico taking all our jobs because of NAFTA. Think Perot’s crystal ball failed him there. |
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Quoted: Thats...the whole point. We want to make Chinese products no longer cheap and competitive on the US market, so businesses will switch supply chains to goods made in India/Mexico/Vietnam / literally anywhere other than China. Cost of labor is already cheaper in Mexico then China. And having a great big beautiful wall of Mexican manufacturing jobs will help slow illegal immigration plus boost the net productive capacity of North America and harden US supply lines in a WW3 scenario. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. We give China billions of dollars. Are you not fucking paying attention? We waste trillions on other countries. Did you even think about this before you typed it? I work with this shit every damned day. Uneven trade practices with China has ruined many important American industries. Targeted tariffs will help to correct things but it will take years to fix it. You guys pretending our trade with China is not a big problem are absolutely kidding yourselves. You think you can control the global market. How cute. You don’t even understand that there is a global market, and tariffs against China will absolutely take money out of China. You seem to be missing the fact that China has been waging war against us for decades. No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. Thats...the whole point. We want to make Chinese products no longer cheap and competitive on the US market, so businesses will switch supply chains to goods made in India/Mexico/Vietnam / literally anywhere other than China. Cost of labor is already cheaper in Mexico then China. And having a great big beautiful wall of Mexican manufacturing jobs will help slow illegal immigration plus boost the net productive capacity of North America and harden US supply lines in a WW3 scenario. How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? |
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Quoted: Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All of the Statist, Big Gov, RINOS are pro china See Cocaine Mitch F THE CCP By extension, F GD'S SACRED COW HOLOSUN Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! Damn tax lowering commie basterds. What next, reduced regulations?? |
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Quoted: Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? View Quote I do not think there would be an argument under Austrian Economics for traditional tariffs. Certainly, the tax code could be revised not to incentivize off-shoring and business regulations could be loosened if we are going to make an argument for an even playing field |
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Quoted: Damn tax lowering commie basterds. What next, reduced regulations?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: All of the Statist, Big Gov, RINOS are pro china See Cocaine Mitch F THE CCP By extension, F GD'S SACRED COW HOLOSUN Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? Yeah! If you oppose Americans paying more money in tariffs to fund Big Government, YOU support Big Government! Damn tax lowering commie basterds. What next, reduced regulations?? I'd hate for business taxes to go away completely and cause a huge increase in revenue for American business to grow and get more efficient..... |
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Quoted: OK, no tariffs. Trade is just banned for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. View Quote I'm kinda on board. We should define some industries and products that should only be made here in the interest of national security. It's not something we could do overnight but damn we could at least try. |
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Quoted: Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? View Quote us manufacturing did not magically disappear for no reason at all there are reasons for declining us manufacturing levels there are reasons for increased chinese manufacturing levels they are not significantly related to tariffs they are related to the overall tax and regulatory structures in both countries comparatively |
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Quoted: How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? View Quote Why can't we do both? ...and the goal isn't to fund the government, it's to decouple from China. The ideal solution with the tariffs is no increased taxes going to the government. |
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Quoted: I tried this argument 5 years ago. They don't care. Here's the meme I made 5 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/0gsjj4J.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? I tried this argument 5 years ago. They don't care. Here's the meme I made 5 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/0gsjj4J.jpg I taxed that meme, along with your (I believe) other gif from The Patriot. In the name of equality and all. |
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Quoted: This ends with idiots like you starving millions of people to death from shear stupidity. View Quote Are you taking advice from Paul Krugman? Holy economic fallacy, Batman. |
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Quoted: You could afford a $500 mixer if tariffs kept good middle class jobs over here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'll try to explain this in small words for small minds. My wife needs a new mixer. Let's say an American mixer is $500 and a Chinese mixer is $100. I simply cannot afford a $500 mixer. If you place a 100% tariff on the Chinese mixer I will still not be able to afford the American mixer. I'll have to pay the government an extra $100 to buy the Chinese mixer for $200. The economy took a hit because I might have spent that $100 on American products and services but instead I lost that money to taxes to be wasted. Now raise the price of the Chinese mixer to $500. $400 goes to taxes and $100 to China........but it doesn't, because I cannot afford $500. The money has less value than it did and I cannot afford either. Now all the Americans who would have made a profit off the Chinese mixer make nothing and they buy less from any source including America. I buy sonething else or buy used. Every fucking body loses..... LOFL |
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Quoted: us manufacturing did not magically disappear for no reason at all there are reasons for declining us manufacturing levels there are reasons for increased chinese manufacturing levels they are not significantly related to tariffs they are related to the overall tax and regulatory structures in both countries comparatively View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Wait, so it’s statist and big gov for the government to not tax trade??? us manufacturing did not magically disappear for no reason at all there are reasons for declining us manufacturing levels there are reasons for increased chinese manufacturing levels they are not significantly related to tariffs they are related to the overall tax and regulatory structures in both countries comparatively So the answer is less domestic taxes and regulations. Not increasing tax burdens across the board (on consumers). Taxes are a destruction of wealth regardless under what name the go by. I’d also challenge your assertion that US manufacturing disappeared or is in decline. We just manufacture different things, like airplanes as opposed to socks. |
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FA Hayek called it the "pretense of knowledge ". If i do A then B is the result.
The "pretense of knowledge" is the belief that the millions of consequences can be understood and managed. China's unfair practices will end themselves someday. Until then they are driving us to be more efficient and more awesome than we would achieve without the competition. |
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It really doesn't matter what RonDa says about tariffs. He is just there to be a spoiler.
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Quoted: So the answer is less domestic taxes and regulations. Not increasing tax burdens across the board (on consumers). Taxes are a destruction of wealth regardless under what name the go by. I’d also challenge your assertion that US manufacturing disappeared or is in decline. We just manufacture different things, like airplanes as opposed to socks. View Quote Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. |
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Quoted: Condescending prick much? That really helps your argument. The data indicates you don't know what you're talking about. Are you taking advice from Paul Krugman? Holy economic fallacy, Batman. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This ends with idiots like you starving millions of people to death from shear stupidity. Are you taking advice from Paul Krugman? Holy economic fallacy, Batman. Probably getting his advice from this communist fuck right here: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/thomas-sowell-on-trumps-trade-war-and-trumps-view-on-trade-surpluses/ |
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Quoted: Condescending prick much? That really helps your argument. The data indicates you don't know what you're talking about. Are you taking advice from Paul Krugman? Holy economic fallacy, Batman. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This ends with idiots like you starving millions of people to death from shear stupidity. Are you taking advice from Paul Krugman? Holy economic fallacy, Batman. How many people feed their families selling chinese goods and American goods with chinese components? 100 million? More? Now eliminate their jobs in a short span of a decade or so. How much American stuff will they buy? |
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Quoted: Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So the answer is less domestic taxes and regulations. Not increasing tax burdens across the board (on consumers). Taxes are a destruction of wealth regardless under what name the go by. I’d also challenge your assertion that US manufacturing disappeared or is in decline. We just manufacture different things, like airplanes as opposed to socks. Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. Enough for what? Domestic wealth generation? |
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Quoted: FA Hayek called it the "pretense of knowledge ". If i do A then B is the result. The "pretense of knowledge" is the belief that the millions of consequences can be understood and managed. China's unfair practices will end themselves someday. Until then they are driving us to be more efficient and more awesome than we would achieve without the competition. View Quote |
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Quoted: How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They just pass the cost to is so wtf good does it do lol It changes consumer behavior and brings manufacturing back to the US. Which means more jobs and more domestic wealth creation with less of our local wealth being transferred overseas. That is patently ridiculous. The tariffs do nothing to make the cost of US goods cheap enough to compete with Chinese goods. They just make the consumer spend a bit more on Chinese stuff which simply takes that money out of the economy so there is less money available to buy America goods. The money stays in the US economy, rather than going to China. We give China billions of dollars. Are you not fucking paying attention? We waste trillions on other countries. Did you even think about this before you typed it? I work with this shit every damned day. Uneven trade practices with China has ruined many important American industries. Targeted tariffs will help to correct things but it will take years to fix it. You guys pretending our trade with China is not a big problem are absolutely kidding yourselves. You think you can control the global market. How cute. You don’t even understand that there is a global market, and tariffs against China will absolutely take money out of China. You seem to be missing the fact that China has been waging war against us for decades. No. Tariffs are paid by the consumer. All business taxes are paid by the consumer. Fuck. Thats...the whole point. We want to make Chinese products no longer cheap and competitive on the US market, so businesses will switch supply chains to goods made in India/Mexico/Vietnam / literally anywhere other than China. Cost of labor is already cheaper in Mexico then China. And having a great big beautiful wall of Mexican manufacturing jobs will help slow illegal immigration plus boost the net productive capacity of North America and harden US supply lines in a WW3 scenario. How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? Bingo. Part of that is lowering the corporate income tax rate. People who support higher corporate income taxes (like FJB) and people who support tariffs are 2 sides of the same coin. |
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Quoted: Hayek died before he could see the west slide into third world shithole status, while the actual third world raped it of middle class jobs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: FA Hayek called it the "pretense of knowledge ". If i do A then B is the result. The "pretense of knowledge" is the belief that the millions of consequences can be understood and managed. China's unfair practices will end themselves someday. Until then they are driving us to be more efficient and more awesome than we would achieve without the competition. We destroyed our own middle class. Not China. They voted for it. Hayek was totally correct on the pretense of knowledge and lack of humility in our supposed saviours. |
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Quoted: Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So the answer is less domestic taxes and regulations. Not increasing tax burdens across the board (on consumers). Taxes are a destruction of wealth regardless under what name the go by. I’d also challenge your assertion that US manufacturing disappeared or is in decline. We just manufacture different things, like airplanes as opposed to socks. Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. Zero taxes on business would do wonders. Not just for big business but even the local folks. |
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Quoted: Enough for what? Domestic wealth generation? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the answer is less domestic taxes and regulations. Not increasing tax burdens across the board (on consumers). Taxes are a destruction of wealth regardless under what name the go by. I’d also challenge your assertion that US manufacturing disappeared or is in decline. We just manufacture different things, like airplanes as opposed to socks. Unless you are going to call for negative tax rates, that's not going to be enough. Enough for what? Domestic wealth generation? Enough to move manufacturing out of China. |
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Read it twice and couldn’t find where Desantis was quoted as saying he is against tariffs on Chinese Goods. Was there a part missing?
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Quoted: This is where I'm at. If it isn't tariffs, what is it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It is in the best interest of this country to move away from China as a source of things. It is a strategic vulnerability. I don't much care how we do it, but it needs to be done. This is where I'm at. If it isn't tariffs, what is it? Make doing business here less expensive and easier. We can beat China right now with all their dirty tricks and slave labor. Head to head. No extra taxes required. |
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Quoted: We have had 5 local shops that specialize in smaller injection mold dies shut in the last 5 months. I've talked to 2 of the owners and they sad they can no long compete with dies coming from China. View Quote |
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Quoted: We destroyed our own middle class. Not China. They voted for it. Hayek was totally correct on the pretense of knowledge and lack of humility in our supposed saviours. View Quote |
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Quoted: I tried this argument 5 years ago. They don't care. Here's the meme I made 5 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/0gsjj4J.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How about we make it easier and less expensive to make shit here? Isn't that better than funding bigger government? I tried this argument 5 years ago. They don't care. Here's the meme I made 5 years ago: https://i.imgur.com/0gsjj4J.jpg Attached File |
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More than anything a small, and yearly increasing tariff on Chinese good would help America.
3% to start, 1.5% increase every year, until made in China is a hard to find label. Decrease income taxes by the same amount every year. Of course the swamp creatures hate it. |
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