Ah okay, I didn't know about the molded in parts, etc.  That said, I really wouldn't be surprised if the free market has someone making them for M&P, Sig, and a few other mag types if the rifle takes off like it looks like it will.

Hell, I'm onboard for one, especially if they make a backpacker stock for it or an integrally suppressed upper ala the 10/22 TD.  Although if TacSol makes a SBX barrel for it, I'm sold as well. Just need to get $$$.

You can dream all you want, but AFAIK, no 7.62x33mm semi-auto has ever used simple mass-delayed blowback.  All the guns I can think of use gas-unlocking or short-recoil.  I'd have to check on the Cristobal.

Get a mechtech and slap it on your G20.  185 grain bullets at 1750 FPS.  Runs like a champ, you can also
run 40 through it.

I have hope this bolt will be able to handle 10 mm and 45.   Wouldnt it be nice to be able to fire 9mm, 10mm ,357 sig, 40 and 45 by changing the barrel and bolt.  Similar to the m3 greasegun. Would make for a nice package in 45 with glock mags

The heck with that. I've got grease gun mags for the .45 AR lower I haven't finished.

Now I want one in .45ACP too...

http://www.gwacsarmory.com/cav-15-mkii-ar15-stripped-lower-blemmish-ar-15-black/

Takes GreaseGun mags.

Watching the MAC video on it. Neat little carbine.

If they do an M&P mag insert I'd probably be all over it.

not a fan of polymer lowers.

Well, you can wait until Ruger and/or the aftermarket smiles on you, or you can ask yourself what would Stoner do?



The famous abuse video:



Shooting of the lower through the magwell & buffertube shortly after the 12 minute mark.

@SinstralRifleman

there is no upper or lower on this

Talking about a AR lower that takes grease gun magazines, not the ruger carbine.

necro

its released

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html

What does your post mean? It’s been released for a while now.

@mdram doesnt pay attention very well.

I've already got a few hundred through mine

So I got to handle a PC Carbine tonight at my LGS. It was already reserved for GunBroker.

Anyway though I was pretty impressed with it. I will say though that the peep sight on the barrel is something I'm not in total favor of. I'll still buy one though.

From what I can see of it this thing will sell and will sell well. Even if Ruger doesn't create a big aftermarket for it I suspect the industry will create one for it.

Didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this was answered etc.  But, what does this offer that a PCC AR won't?  My club lost their outdoor range a few years back, so I really only have regular access to indoor ranges.  That makes a PCC an attractive option.

You'll find the answer in the beginning of this thread, or in the other 2 threads that are linked early on.

Couple of things.  It will probably be cheaper if Ruger's MSRP vs actual price differences hold up.  At a minimum I expect it to be price competitive.  It has an interchangeable mag well that you fit with adapters for different pistol mags.  From the factory it ships with adapters for SR9 and Glock mags.  I think you can probably assume with near 100% certainty that aftermarket mag wells will be produced in quantity for other pistol mags.  If so, it will offer pistol mag compatibility with most handguns instead of just Glocks, which would give it a big advantage over the AR in the PCC market.  Downside to this: most pistol mags are more expensive than Colt SMG mags made by ASC and CProducts Defense (I've had good results from both; prefer ASC).  Glock mags are the exception if you're willing to use Magpuls instead of Glock OEM.

It seems certain that it will accept conversion kits readily to change calibers.  Ruger has not said that directly, but they did say that it will have an interchangeable bolt head.  They didn't say why it would have an interchangeable bolt head, but it's not hard to figure out: mag well adapter + bolt head + barrel = caliber conversion kit.  It won't surrender anything to the AR in terms of swapping calibers.  I'm hoping that the mag well will be big enough to accept double stack 45 ACP mags.  If it does, then it is superior to the AR in terms of caliber conversions; you can do 45 ACP in a standard AR lower with mag well adapter, but it forces you to use single stack mags.  Using double stack mags in an AR45 requires a dedicated lower which will never be anything other than a 45 ACP.  If someone ends up making mag adapters that can, for example, accept Glock 21 mags, double stack 1911 mags, CZ97B mags, Sig P220 mags, or M&P45 mags, you easily get into having a PCC that can convert from 9mm to 45 without having to get a new gun entirely.

It is also a takedown design, so carrying it as a backpack gun it will be more compact than any non-SBR AR.  For those that do want to SBR, it will be as easy as it is with an AR: engrave receiver, apply for and receive tax stamp, swap in short barrel.  Done.

It will be easier to acquire in some ban states since it doesn't have an evil pistol grip or a shoulder thing that goes up.

It will likely have all the durable, solid construction Ruger is well known for.

It will have all the usual advantages of a PCC.  Cheap centerfire ammo that, while not nearly as effective as a rifle cartridge, is still a credible cartridge for serious usage in the self defense and survival roles.

One downside I can think of is the sights.  The rear sight is on the barrel leaving a short sight radius, however, I understand exactly why they did it and this is a common issue with takedown designs.  Sometimes if you have iron sights and rear sight is receiver mounted while the front sight is barrel mounted, you're not guranteed to reliably return to zero after dismounting and remounting your takedown barrel.  So they kind of had to.

Another downside is the sling mounting.  Traditionally stocked rifles usually do not accomodate side attachment of slings, and this is no exception.  Side attachment is a far better attachment method especially with rifles that have detachable mags protruding out the bottom (I happen to think it's better, period, regardless of magazine, but definitely needed for protruding box mags).  Less of an issue with floor plated hunting rifles or flush fit fixed mag rifles like the M1 Garand.  There is a bit of rail section at the front of the handguard, I suppose you could put a 90 degree offset rail there and use a rail mount swivel attached to the offset for the front.  For the rear, maybe you could use one of those saddle/wrap around type adapters like are used on A1 and A2 stocks and shotguns.  Otherwise you could drill the polymer stock for a sling stud or QD cup.  Would take some work but should be doable.

If I did not already have an AR9 I'd be all over this.  I might be anyway just for the ability to convert calibers if aftermarket manufacturers get some mag adapters out there for it.  One of these SBR'd and suppressed would be sweet, and if I was smart about it, I'd use a 45 ACP suppressor with QD mount so I could switch from suppressed 9mm SBR to suppressed 45 ACP SBR.

If I were to get one I'd plan on setting it up as a survival rifle: SBR as a 9mm, keep spare barrels in 40, 45 ACP, and 10mm, suppressor, barrel mounted mini red dot (Aimpoint Micro or Trijicon MRO), spare mag adapters for most common semi auto handguns in common calibers (I'd want to be able to use any mags and ammo I scrounged in a SHTF / survival scenario...mag adapters for Glock in 9mm/40 and 45, M&P9/40, M&P45, Sig P226, Sig P220, etc), decent two point sling.

Cristobal used a lever delayed blowback.

@ Jamesp81

I will measure the mag well when I get home and post here. Measure a double stack 45 mag, and we'll see.....

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Please make a 45 ACP model.

Cheers.  That's a very unusual and interesting design, from the designer to the country that produced it.

Out of curiosity, does anyone who has gotten their hands on one of these also have a 10/22 takedown model?  I was looking at my Ruger TD bag and it looks like you might be able to fit the 10/22 and this rifle in at the same time.

I dont have my 22 bag anymore, but i seriously doubt both will fit at the same time.  I'll see  if a friend still has is bag and try.

On my 10-22 takedown bag one side of the open bag has 2 narrow sleeves - the 10-22 and PC carbine barrel assy. will fit, one to each sleeve.

On the other side of the bag is a single wider sleeve - the PC carbine receiver and stock will fit inside but there is not enough space to also fit the 10-22 receiver and stock.

If the 10-22 receiver and stock is simply loosely placed in the bag alongside the PC carbine receiver and stock in its sleeve the bag can be securely zipped closed.

I saw some wrong information in this thread, idk if it was corrected. The carbine can take both SR9 and Security 9 mags. And for the member than was concerned in another thread about SR9/ Security 9 mag compatibility, the Security 9 mags work in the SR9 but not visa versa, but the difference can be fixed with a small hole, identical to the P07/P10c mag incompatibility.

Thanks for the response.  It would have been really nice if they could each fit in the sleeves on the opposite sides of the bag, but that still sounds pretty good to be able to carry both in one bag.  I'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to fashion a system of keeping the loose packed 10/22 down.

Anyone else get one of these yet?  Your impressions?

I did find the takedown lever mechanism on the barrel was barely finger tight, rattling easily

Just picked one up today. Taking it to the range later. Will give my impressions afterwards.

Could one of the guys that has one see if a Glock 26 magazine is long enough to lock in, and post pics if it works?

will it take a 10/22 trigger pack without modification?

I was reading on another forum from a guy who tried it with one of the high-end aftermarket triggers and it worked, but activating the safety (or deactivating it, can't recall) dropped the hammer. That's a bit of a flaw. Might have been a weird case, though.

Wait, what?

Went to an indoor range today.

The Ruger carbine is awesome. I ran 200 rounds through it with no malfunctions of any kind. The ammo consisted of Winchester 124gr NATO and some 115gr target ammo.

The recoil is almost non-existent, especially with the 115gr rounds.

Even though I have a hard time seeing iron sights, I was shooting mostly one jagged hole at 25 yards offhand.

I will put an optic on it as soon as I decide what I want.

Ruger hit a home run with this gun IMO.

@CFletch

ETS G26 10 round mag. drops free.

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Magpul makes a rail for the 22 takedown that stays on the barrel. Since the mechanism it replaces is the same, I'm going to see if it fits the 9mm.

You are awesome. Thank you.

Wouldn't OD of the barrel make a difference?

Of course, but right there at the base of the barrel, how much difference is it?  I'll measure tonight and we'll all find out.

I hope Magpul is working on stocks for this thing. The one they make for the 10/22 takedown looks great.

The only thing putting me off is the traditional stock.  I like traditional stocks on rifles with full length barrels and long LOP stocks (my hunting rifle is configured this way, like it really well).  But for a short LOP weapon with a short barrel, I really need a pistol grip, and a fairly vertical one at that.  A standard 10/22 stock is torture for me after a short time for this reason.

Maybe AGP Arms will make a version of their 10/22 folding stock for these.

If I didn't already have an AR9 I'd be interested.  If it turns out you can convert to 9mm, 40, 45, 10mm, etc, it's going to be hard for me to not SBR one.

The bolt looks like a seriously solid chunk of steel.  I suspect it will handle it just fine.

I thought it replaced the barrel block. I doubt it will fit, but I still hope it does. It would be the perfect place for a small red dot.

No kidding!

Intergal supressed barrel next?   Apply for stamp on just barrel . Sweet surpressed 45 acp

I actually like the traditional profile. I want a wood one

I'd day it's a safe bet

I'm definitely on the camp of having an integral barrel too... Two stamp guns are a pain in the ass.

The bolt face is removable for some reason.  I can't imagine why.  

The existence of the new 10/22 integrally suppressed barrel is what makes me excited about this gun, and what keeps me from buying one of the CZ guns.  Ruger would be foolish not to make one for the PCC.