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Posted: 4/25/2018 9:55:49 PM EDT
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The only reason that logic worked for MH17 is that MH17 wasn't supposed to explode...ever. A perfectly targeted and successful use of a TLAM will result in fragments that look like this. Frankly, I don't care that they got a few. I'd be surprised if they didn't. Most of them still did their job. That is why we use cruise missiles. Not everything is going to make it through contested air space. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:00:48 PM EDT
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There's zero reason that reasonably modern ADA systems wouldn't be able to shoot down 70s era cruise missiles
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:01:18 PM EDT
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This is like Iran's stealth plywood and cardboard jet, a sadly pathetic attempt at propaganda.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:04:06 PM EDT
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There's zero reason that reasonably modern ADA systems wouldn't be able to shoot down 70s era cruise missiles  .
If they would have shot down anything American it would have been paraded all over the news on the same and next day, you know like when it actually happens. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:05:03 PM EDT
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The point wasn't too prove we have stealth missiles they can't intercept. It was that we can wreck your shit even if you have intercept systems and really without even trying.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:05:06 PM EDT
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The only reason that logic worked for MH17 is that MH17 wasn't supposed to explode...ever. A perfectly targeted and successful use of a TLAM will result in fragments that look like this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably just fragments from the blast site. "But they just faked it" But yet people will believe the chemical attack from just a picture of a dirty child with a respirator on. A perfectly targeted and successful use of a TLAM will result in fragments that look like this. To test this, google Israeli rocket fragments found in Palestine. Even stuff way smaller than cruise missiles is in worse shape when it becomes fragments. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:07:26 PM EDT
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ROFLMAO Carlos87 thread. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:09:41 PM EDT
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Can we ban this guy yet? |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how people knew MH17 was shot down by anti aircraft missile from the wreckage? The shotgun like pattern the missile made on the side of the plane. It is the same with these pieces of wreckage. "But they just faked it" But yet people will believe the chemical attack from just a picture of a dirty child with a respirator on. Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how people knew MH17 was shot down by anti aircraft missile from the wreckage? The shotgun like pattern the missile made on the side of the plane. It is the same with these pieces of wreckage. "But they just faked it" But yet people will believe the chemical attack from just a picture of a dirty child with a respirator on. Quoted: The BUK system shot down MH17, it clearly showed the shotgun effect of the warhead. If anyone thinks none of their SAMS connected is dreaming and not capable of processing facts. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:11:44 PM EDT
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I smell bullshit
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:13:38 PM EDT
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This wins dumb post of the day. You honestly think our missiles haven't been updated multiple times? You probably think the F18 we fly around today is just like the original model .
If they would have shot down anything American it would have been paraded all over the news on the same and next day, you know like when it actually happens. Now, JASSM, Storm Shadow/SCALP do have some stealth features to them |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really, a cruise missile is going to level part of a building, but the engine will be sitting there in chunks with holes in the side. To test this, google Israeli rocket fragments found in Palestine. Even stuff way smaller than cruise missiles is in worse shape when it becomes fragments. https://syria360.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/syria-investigate-unlawful-us-strikes/ |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:17:20 PM EDT
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Bullshit. More Russian lies.
Meanwhile, Malaysia Air Flight 17 had real holes from a real Russian SAM in it, fired by Russians from Russian controlled territory, under the command of Russian officers, from Russia. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:22:18 PM EDT
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Some kids in a properly taught art class could recreate fragments of a tomahawk.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:25:57 PM EDT
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Why is this news ? Why is this a thing? Maybe they're afraid of losing SAM sales or something. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:33:23 PM EDT
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The missiles travel in formations, multiple missiles per target area.. 1 missile down not a care in the world.
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really, a cruise missile is going to level part of a building, but the engine will be sitting there in chunks with holes in the side. To test this, google Israeli rocket fragments found in Palestine. Even stuff way smaller than cruise missiles is in worse shape when it becomes fragments. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:41:18 PM EDT
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Some kids in a properly taught art class could recreate fragments of a tomahawk. Need a new idea? 
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:43:07 PM EDT
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When missiles explode they tend to scatter parts around. That appears to be what they've picked up and put on display. The first photo shows engine components. Given the location and construction of the engine, it's not at all surprising that identifiable engine assemblies would be recovered after a conventional Tomahawk explodes. None of those photos give any indication that they were shot down. Oh, they came down and exploded, but probably only as the mission plan indicated that they should. Expecting truth out of Russians is...optimistic. 
They probably found those three blocks away embedded in Assad's favorite whore's house and thought they were some secret weapon. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:44:03 PM EDT
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What is Palestine? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Really, a cruise missile is going to level part of a building, but the engine will be sitting there in chunks with holes in the side. To test this, google Israeli rocket fragments found in Palestine. Even stuff way smaller than cruise missiles is in worse shape when it becomes fragments. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:49:33 PM EDT
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Oooh, good catch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Really, a cruise missile is going to level part of a building, but the engine will be sitting there in chunks with holes in the side. To test this, google Israeli rocket fragments found in Palestine. Even stuff way smaller than cruise missiles is in worse shape when it becomes fragments. 
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Posted: 4/25/2018 10:58:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:16:25 PM EDT
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the holes and marks show they were downed by anti-aircraft missiles This is what happens when millennials who's only expertise is taking cock in the ass decides to comment on military topics. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look up what previous Tomahawk fragments of expended ordnance looks like. This is what happens when millennials who's only expertise is taking cock in the ass decides to comment on military topics. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:24:44 PM EDT
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During the Vietnam war, the guerillas got pretty good at improvising explosive devices and they used a lot of UXO and also plenty of shrapnel from bombs and missiles that did explode.
It's not like the metal parts of a bomb or missile turn into vapor when it explodes. If you were hunting for scrap and are ultra patient and never missed a fragment, you'd be able to eventually recover basically 100 percent of the metallic mass from any given exploded bomb, missile, or shell. It's all there...and there..and there...and over there. |
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Posted: 4/25/2018 11:35:45 PM EDT
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Los Angeles class fast-attack submarine with Tomahawk launch tubes open.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 1:12:08 AM EDT
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Yes, you cannot even agree if it's exploded tomahawk fragments, or fake and not even from a tomahawk at all, or both at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Look up what previous Tomahawk fragments of expended ordnance looks like. This is what happens when millennials who's only expertise is taking cock in the ass decides to comment on military topics. Russians are dumb as fuck, cant even be bothered to look up open source info on components for their propaganda pictures. However, none of what was shown survives detonations. Even if it actually did show something actually fucking in a tomahawk. Wrong components that dont even survive anyways. Try harder. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:20:01 AM EDT
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@guns762 Need a new idea? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some kids in a properly taught art class could recreate fragments of a tomahawk. Need a new idea? Need to add that the list for next year
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:47:23 AM EDT
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I don’t think there’s a question of whether or not *some* missiles were shot down.
The real question is whether or not we achieved our objectives. If we hit all our intended targets or if the presence of the Russian SAMs prevented us from get the all the targets we wanted. In essence, did the presence of Russian SAMs diminish our capability to exert our ability to project force effectively? As of now, I don’t believe that to be the case.... |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:50:35 AM EDT
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https://www.rt.com/news/425120-russia-shows-downed-missiles-syria/ http://abcnews.go.com/International/photos/fragments-us-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-captured-syrian-forces-54716248 tl;dr - pictures of fragments of missiles which were downed by Syrian aerospace defense services. the holes and marks show they were downed by anti-aircraft missiles (anti air missiles function similar to a shotgun when they reach the target) some sea and air launched missiles failed due to technical difficulties not anti-aircraft fire, and were transported to Russia for further study Edit: added pro-hillary news source for the people complaining about RT. So you’re saying the MH-17 was shot down by a Russian Buk missile? |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:55:20 AM EDT
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I don’t think there’s a question of whether or not *some* missiles were shot down. The real question is whether or not we achieved our objectives. If we hit all our intended targets or if the presence of the Russian SAMs prevented us from get the all the targets we wanted. In essence, did the presence of Russian SAMs diminish our capability to exert our ability to project force effectively? As of now, I don’t believe that to be the case.... |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:55:20 AM EDT
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Can we ban this guy yet? |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how people knew MH17 was shot down by anti aircraft missile from the wreckage? The shotgun like pattern the missile made on the side of the plane. It is the same with these pieces of wreckage. "But they just faked it" But yet people will believe the chemical attack from just a picture of a dirty child with a respirator on. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 7:58:35 AM EDT
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Tomahawks have a notable failure rate and are ancient. The Ruskies will exaggerate as much as possible, but I wouldn't be suprised if a few failed and a few were tagged by air defenses. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:10:15 AM EDT
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The Russians think somebody cares. Maybe they're afraid of losing SAM sales or something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is this news ? Why is this a thing? Maybe they're afraid of losing SAM sales or something. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:11:36 AM EDT
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Russians NEVER lie or exaggerate, it's simply not in their character...  |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:30:41 AM EDT
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Did the targets go boom? If so, successful mission. Overwhelming air defenses with multiple missiles seems like a legitimate tactic, to me.
Also, how many were really shot down? Who knows, but I surely don't believe the Russians or the Syrians. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:36:19 AM EDT
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Yes I'm sure they probably downed a few and some probably malfunctioned and crashed but if you launch 6 at a building and only 3 make it then the job still gets done. We launched over 100 missiles so that was probably done on purpose to overwhelm the Syrian air defenses as you don't need 100 missiles to destroy 6 buildings. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:40:34 AM EDT
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Did you forget the 'an' on purpose or by accident, comrade? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You know how people knew MH17 was shot down by anti aircraft missile from the wreckage? The shotgun like pattern the missile made on the side of the plane. It is the same with these pieces of wreckage. "But they just faked it" But yet people will believe the chemical attack from just a picture of a dirty child with a respirator on. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:40:48 AM EDT
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The SAMs that were fired after the missiles all struck shot them down. Russian technology is like Superman,they fly so fast they go back in time.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 8:55:57 AM EDT
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If you people don't think the Russians cannot shoot down a tomahawk missile.. You have some serious tunnel vision and underestimation issues.
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:03:17 AM EDT
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If you people don't think the Russians cannot shoot down a tomahawk missile.. You have some serious tunnel vision and underestimation issues. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:29:20 AM EDT
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Is the average Russian stupid enough to believe this garbage? I mean, some low IQ Americans get suckered in but MOST Russians?
Must be all the HIV, vodka, and krokadil coursing thru their veins. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:39:25 AM EDT
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If you people don't think the Russians cannot shoot down a tomahawk missile.. You have some serious tunnel vision and underestimation issues. I also know that all of the sites America wanted destroyed were demolished, because I have seen the satellite photos (they are publicly available). I don't think Russia is anything to worry about. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 9:45:49 AM EDT
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While the Russians are exaggerating, our Cruise missiles are a bit long in the tooth. We could do much more to reduce the radar cross section, and the fact that they are subsonic makes them easier to shoot down. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:06:08 AM EDT
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The Russians never lit up their radars because they were afraid of getting their shit pushed in. Russians are bitches, they prefer to assasinate women or have drunks and criminals in civilian clothes do their fighting. Syrians running 40 year old Russian SAM systems tried to engage.
I would be skeptical about a 100% hit rate. DoD said it but I think they had trouble believing it themselves. What really makes me think they're right is this weak-ass retard-level propaganda here. If they'd shot down a missile or one had malfed into a church or hospital or whatever there'd have been literal buses taking journalists to the site the next day. Not this stupid shit. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:27:27 AM EDT
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I know nothing about rockets, fuel, and explosions. But I'm very familiar with Russian propaganda. I heard it all through the 60s, 70s, and 80s, during the cold war. The Russians seldom said anything, but when they did it was usually a lie.
I'm confident our guys know what they hit, what they missed, and anything else that can be improved on in future attacks. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:31:48 AM EDT
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So we destroy all the targets, just completely wreck their shit, and the Russians are like hey we shot down a missile lol just ignore the smoking craters that used to be chemical weapons facilities.
Wow they sure showed us 
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:53:08 AM EDT
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It's not surprising at all that some would be intercepted by AD. But the condition of the targets tells the real story - we can break all your shit even with our old stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tomahawks have a notable failure rate and are ancient. The Ruskies will exaggerate as much as possible, but I wouldn't be suprised if a few failed and a few were tagged by air defenses. |
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Posted: 4/26/2018 10:55:24 AM EDT
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If you people don't think the Russians cannot shoot down a tomahawk missile.. You have some serious tunnel vision and underestimation issues. If this underestimation were true, then the complaining when Turkey and Iran have bought the S300 missile systems makes no sense. |
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