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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:19:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: PSA 2024 poll is up LINK https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/IMG_7891-3103108.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/IMG_7890-3103109.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/IMG_7889-3103110.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/IMG_7886-3103114.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/IMG_7888-3103112.jpg Edit to add pics Im usually happy to see what PSA has cooking but all of those are pretty underwhelming. I agree I don’t think this is all inclusive though. It looks to be only a poll about 2024 development. Too many items are missing that we otherwise expect (psl, 556 Draco thing, etc) |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:22:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think this is all inclusive though. It looks to be only a poll about 2024 development. Too many items are missing that we otherwise expect (psl, 556 Draco thing, etc) You're right, I'm sure. And like another member said, there's probably a lot of cool stuff under PSA's other brands H&R, etc. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:22:22 AM EST
[#3]
 Smith & Wesson’s FIRST Lever Action - The Model 1854 44 MAG |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:22:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shockwave that can take short shells would be cool. https://www.mossberg.com/590s-shockwave-51601.html |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:24:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fun configurations, like what exactly? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think the shotgun and the bolt action are both potentially great moves. The Turkish shotguns are TRASH. They're poorly built and they don't work. I'd expect this PSA gun to undercut both Remington and Mossberg by a healthy margin while still being good, and I also expect them to have a bunch of fun configurations that neither of those companies do. And the Emerge bolt action looks a whole lot like a R700 in that pic. If it is, they're not going after the Ruger American and Savage Axis. They're going after the likes of Bergara. Fun configurations, like what exactly? This is a low effort response, but we'll know it when we see it? The fact that their poll photo has Magpul furniture and a factory MRDS cut is pretty interesting. PSA just thinks and operates differently than any of the other major manufacturers. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:25:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://danieldefense.com/daniel-h9.html Well, at least they added an optics cut. Wonder what magazine it's using. Quote HistoryQuoted: https://danieldefense.com/daniel-h9.html Well, at least they added an optics cut. Wonder what magazine it's using. A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:25:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems this flew a bit under the radar with the H9, but DD also announced a PCC: https://danieldefense.com/pcc Looks like it takes CZ Scorpion mags and has a fully ambi lower and CHF barrel. The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:29:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. Looks like cz scorpion mags |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:31:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://danieldefense.com/daniel-h9.html Well, at least they added an optics cut. Wonder what magazine it's using. A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:31:17 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:31:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? Realize you're poor.... |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:33:17 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://danieldefense.com/daniel-h9.html Well, at least they added an optics cut. Wonder what magazine it's using. A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? One for each appendage |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:42:22 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One for each appendage Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://danieldefense.com/daniel-h9.html Well, at least they added an optics cut. Wonder what magazine it's using. A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? One for each appendage 
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:49:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Quoted: Quoted: Seems this flew a bit under the radar with the H9, but DD also announced a PCC: https://danieldefense.com/pcc Looks like it takes CZ Scorpion mags and has a fully ambi lower and CHF barrel. The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:49:44 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:51:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Realize you're poor.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? Realize you're poor.... This. The Dagger/Glock/M2.0 is a great gun. I already have those niches covered. Not every gun has to be the same gun. Some can be different or fun. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:53:28 AM EST
[#17]
PSA added 308 jakl to their shot show poll 
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:58:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Quoted: Quoted: Seems this flew a bit under the radar with the H9, but DD also announced a PCC: https://danieldefense.com/pcc Looks like it takes CZ Scorpion mags and has a fully ambi lower and CHF barrel. The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:00:46 AM EST
[#19]
Any news on the staccato CS2/C3 whatever it is, longer CS gun?
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:01:12 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:01:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA added 308 jakl to their shot show poll https://surveymonkey-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/survey/411378380/rte/5374fb57-88e6-4977-8331-78cee496f639.jpg That actually looks really good. Rear half looks like a SCAR, front half looks like a Sig SPEAR/ACR hybrid. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:01:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less Quote HistoryQuoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less This is a fun take. Any reliable PCC that has a LRBHO objectively has a major advantage over the MP5, but nobody wants to talk about that. Quoted: Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 This is not so great of a take. Controlling recoil makes the gun faster and more competitive in situations that matter and more fun and comfortable in situations that don't. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:05:16 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 The only people who think direct blowback is better have never shot an MP5. Its pretty disappointing that the majority of PCC's are little more than dolled up hipoints |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:07:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a fun take. Any reliable PCC that has a LRBHO objectively has a major advantage over the MP5, but nobody wants to talk about that. This is not so great of a take. Controlling recoil makes the gun faster and more competitive in situations that matter and more fun and comfortable in situations that don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less This is a fun take. Any reliable PCC that has a LRBHO objectively has a major advantage over the MP5, but nobody wants to talk about that. Quoted: Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 This is not so great of a take. Controlling recoil makes the gun faster and more competitive in situations that matter and more fun and comfortable in situations that don't. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:08:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a fun take. Any reliable PCC that has a LRBHO objectively has a major advantage over the MP5, but nobody wants to talk about that. This is not so great of a take. Controlling recoil makes the gun faster and more competitive in situations that matter and more fun and comfortable in situations that don't. An MP5 is much faster on the clock than any blowback. Having to work the charging handle is more than made up for in the substantially reduced recoil. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:09:39 AM EST
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Just make an mp5 with a lrbho and move on. I’m trying to hear about the latest AR rehash and gen3 glock clones people!!
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:10:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An MP5 is much faster on the clock than any blowback. Having to work the charging handle is more than made up for in the substantially reduced recoil. If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:10:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Quoted: Quoted: Seems this flew a bit under the radar with the H9, but DD also announced a PCC: https://danieldefense.com/pcc Looks like it takes CZ Scorpion mags and has a fully ambi lower and CHF barrel. The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:13:09 AM EST
[#29]
With all of the pre show announcements, SHOT is becoming black friday.
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:13:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An MP5 is much faster on the clock than any blowback. Having to work the charging handle is more than made up for in the substantially reduced recoil. If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:15:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An MP5 is much faster on the clock than any blowback. Having to work the charging handle is more than made up for in the substantially reduced recoil. If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. The best AR 9mm competition PCC (and one that's popular for top PCC shooters) is probably the JP5, which is roller-delayed. https://www.jprifles.com/1.2.18_JP-5.php |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:16:27 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If that were true, why aren't PCC divisions overrun with MP5s? I don't think I have ever seen a serious competitor use a MP5. Because for a very long time, your only mp5 options were collectors's HKs, or shitty clones that didn't run right. And just now are we starting to see more useful aftermarket parts, grip frames that use AR triggers and safeties, better optics mounts, etc. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:16:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That actually looks really good. Rear half looks like a SCAR, front half looks like an Sig SPEAR/ACR hybrid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA added 308 jakl to their shot show poll https://surveymonkey-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/survey/411378380/rte/5374fb57-88e6-4977-8331-78cee496f639.jpg That actually looks really good. Rear half looks like a SCAR, front half looks like an Sig SPEAR/ACR hybrid. Agreed |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:16:53 AM EST
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Seems like SHOT Show 2024 is going to be a big deal this year for the first time in a long time.
I'm guessing a lot of manufacturers were sitting on new products and not releasing them due to manufacturing supply chain issues that were still in effect after COVID. So, we're going to see a lot of new stuff coming out. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:19:04 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA added 308 jakl to their shot show poll https://surveymonkey-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/survey/411378380/rte/5374fb57-88e6-4977-8331-78cee496f639.jpg |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:19:38 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA added 308 jakl to their shot show poll https://surveymonkey-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/survey/411378380/rte/5374fb57-88e6-4977-8331-78cee496f639.jpg Yo I vibe with this. Might need to get one. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:19:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honest question, what did you think they'd be working on? Those are exactly what I figured they were working on, outside of the thumper thing. An update to when they plan on reintroducing or integrating the DPMS G2 into their own lineup. Which is puzzling since they used to make something similar with the PX-10. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:20:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, there are tons of blowback 9mms and the market is saturated. The only thing making a new 9mm PCC worth looking at is some sort of delayed/locked action that reduces felt recoil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A 9mm Jakl will be superior to any MP5 and likely weigh less /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Quoted: Quoted: Seems this flew a bit under the radar with the H9, but DD also announced a PCC: https://danieldefense.com/pcc Looks like it takes CZ Scorpion mags and has a fully ambi lower and CHF barrel. The two most important details on PCCs: 1) What mags does it take? 2) What recoil system does it use? DD only answers one of those questions there. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 Neutered 9mm subguns that weigh as much as a 6933 are kinda dumb. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:20:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll disagree with both of you and say bc MP5 ergos suck ass. Which is why I fall back to my original statement above in which the Bog A3 is the best PCC on the market today. Ergos, felt recoil, suppressor capability, and if you swap the lower to accept scorpion mags, it's a wrap. The only thing wrong with the ergos of the mp5 is the safety. Easy fix. No it's not an ar15, but not everything needs to be. My experience with the a3 stribog wasn't bad, but imho it wasn't up to the standard set by the Mp5 60 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:21:00 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An update to when they plan on reintroducing or integrating the DPMS G2 into their own lineup. Which is puzzling since they used to make something similar with the PX-10. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:21:24 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Realize you're poor.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What am I going to do with five PSA Daggers? Realize you're poor.... More ammo for training, or one for each kid.  Kharn |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:21:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neutered 9mm subguns that weigh as much as a 6933 are kinda dumb. Neutered sub guns that have more recoil than a 6933 are really dumb 
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:26:12 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only people who think direct blowback is better have never shot an MP5. Its pretty disappointing that the majority of PCC's are little more than dolled up hipoints Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's difficult to imagine PSA investing in an inferior neutered subgun. Hopefully it's a blowback for simplicity and reliability. It's not like 9mm recoils like an HK53 The only people who think direct blowback is better have never shot an MP5. Its pretty disappointing that the majority of PCC's are little more than dolled up hipoints I thought MP5's were kool until my first SPENEX. There is nothing about their recoil or accuracy that justifies not having a LRBH. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:26:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 15 round striker fired 9mm? And it only costs as much as five PSA Daggers? Looks like they bought out Hudson and modded out the H9.....they even kept the model name. Hudson had proprietary mags if I remember correctly. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:30:20 AM EST
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PSA overview of all the poll options.
 Shot Show 2024 Products **VOTE YOUR FAVORITE** ETA: Bolt action where you choose all the parts and it's DIY is the sort of thing that I can get behind. That's the sort of niche I was talking about. Wish they'd offer 16" barrels, though. ETA2: The X5.7 sounds even cooler now. Definitely want one. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:39:22 AM EST
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:44:12 AM EST
[#47]
PSA is kicking ass this year IMO
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:49:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought MP5's were kool until my first SPENEX. There is nothing about their recoil or accuracy that justifies not having a LRBH. While we're at it, there's nothing at all about the mp5 that justifies it over a .300blk sbr. However it's still the top of the heap for PCC's. It's simply a better mouse trap. You can argue about other marginal improvements that came out 60 years later, and when you're done you can go hang out with the SCAR 16 guys who made the same arguments against the ar15 |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:52:04 AM EST
[#49]
That's a pretty cool approach PSA is taking with the polled priority list. Some neat concepts in that video. Good on them.
SS24 so far is turning out to be pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:59:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any news on the staccato CS2/C3 whatever it is, longer CS gun? @JK-919 I saw on Reddit this morning basically a CS with island front sight. A bunch of people were mad it wasn't ported, and a bunch more argued it was silly to do on a pistol that will wear optics anyway.... So I'm also hoping for a bigger CS, mostly so I can get the smaller one this year but with more/higher capacity mags for travel. |
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