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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:41:55 PM EST
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You don't need to spend 3k to get it, but the absolute biggest failing of Glock as a law enforcement gun is a lack of manual safety or a hammer that can be thumbed down on reholstering. Yes, I am about to get dog piled by the GD Striker Fired This is My Safety brigade, don't care. LE guns get drawn, pointed, and quickly and blindly reholstered FAR more than they get used to shoot people. LE guns also are often in hand during activities likely to lead to negligent discharges. They probably shouldn't be, but the reality is they are, and will be because people do dumb shit under stress despite training. I can think of 5-10 ND incidents from personal experience that would not have happened with a manual safety engaged. Don't even get me started on the Safariland Glock holsters cut for WMLs that let a sausage finger sized object into the trigger guard while holstered with all retention devices engaged. 2nd, no amount of money is going to get a 1911/2011 trigger out of a Glock. From the single action nature of the design to the non hinged bow trigger that travels in a straight line; there’s a reason that the 1911 rules the roost for triggers. And additional aspect of the manual safety that most don’t think about is that it provides more leverage to help with recoil mitigation |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:42:16 PM EST
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STIs are some sweet-ass guns but...
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:42:18 PM EST
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Seems like a legit use of taxpayer money. Maybe next time they shouldn't try and save so much and buy everyone Wilson SuperGrades. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:43:12 PM EST
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Cost per unit vs Glock? No way would I take what amounts to a super expensive race gun into a potential shoot out. I’ll stick with my Austrian Tupperware. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:44:25 PM EST
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I can see where someone with a certain amount of training, expertise, and continuous high-volume practice would perform notably better (tighter groups, maybe faster hits, etc) with a 2011 versus an off-the-rack striker pistol. That said, the population I'm describing is a pretty narrow band even within the subset of people who carry a gun for a living.
Maybe this group is composed of those individuals, I don't know. The only Marshal I know is on a "protective detail" and she can't shoot for shit, though I assume requirements are more stringent on the "SOG" side of things. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:45:25 PM EST
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They’re not the guns of STI past.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:45:54 PM EST
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I want to know how they kept the magazines from turning into salt shakers during reliability testing. I'm a 2011 fan, I own one and shot many. Mag reliability has always been the weakest area. You gotta keep them suckers clean. Should have bought Glocks. What's odd is that I used to run regular single stack Tripp Cobra mags in my 1911s and always had excellent results. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:45:55 PM EST
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:46:48 PM EST
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Disgusting waste of taxpayer money. But there's always more coming in so ... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:47:13 PM EST
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I shoot a 2011 competitively....no way I’d go with one for a duty weapon. Shootability-wise, they’re above and beyond a stock wonder9 but they’re finicky. Finicky mags, finicky with ammo. Great when they run but damn if they don’t choke on the regular.
I hope these guys thoroughly shoot the hell out of them before they take them in the field. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:50:40 PM EST
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I shoot a 2011 competitively....no way I’d go with one for a duty weapon. Shootability-wise, they’re above and beyond a stock wonder9 but they’re finicky. Finicky mags, finicky with ammo. Great when they run but damn if they don’t choke on the regular. I hope these guys thoroughly shoot the hell out of them before they take them in the field. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:51:22 PM EST
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Fraud waste and abuse
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:52:24 PM EST
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I own an STI 2011 and 1911. Shot the 2011 in competition for a couple of years. Nice shooting pistols.
No fucking way would I use a 2011 as a defensive pistol. Don't care how nice the trigger is, these guns have never been 100% reliable. Just a waste of tax payer money. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:52:38 PM EST
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Btw why are people mentioning Rangers and Texas? Is Texas DPS getting some of these too?
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:52:51 PM EST
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STI switched owners in 2018. The new owners poured a shitload of money and machinery into developing a duty-ready pistol. They also pared the line of pistols down to a Comp line and Duty line. Further, they had the magazines re-designed and switched the mag manufacture to a major magazine company. The new mags are nothing like the old mags that needed to be "tuned." They had Dawson of Dawson Precision come on as a consultant to train all of the gunsmiths who assemble the guns and improve processes. I am purchasing one, at the special guy price, and will carry it on duty after I get about 2k rounds and a lot of draws and manipulation practice with it. It will replace my Nighthawk Costa.
The real problem with STI's for duty is duty holster availability. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:53:37 PM EST
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Lol muh 2011 muh glass trigger Anyone who uses a gun for a job doesnt give a damn what gun they are using as long as it goes bang when it needs to and carries enough rounds. Admit it, they just said “ooo sti 2011 cool lets get em, glocks are tupperware guns huuu” Youre a fudd if you think its justified They are sick ass guns but what a monumental waste of $$$ A 2011 will never have the track record of the glock series, sig series, or any other off the shelf handgun. They picked them because they look cool Plus its US marshals so they probably only ever shoot them during training and the one time they have to pop a round every full moon on some aggressor |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:54:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. This just rendered your entire opinion irrelevant....you might want to do a bit of research first. besides, nothing like poking fun at some gmen |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:57:44 PM EST
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Arf panties will get twisted.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:58:37 PM EST
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STI switched owners in 2018. The new owners poured a shitload of money and machinery into developing a duty-ready pistol. They also pared the line of pistols down to a Comp line and Duty line. Further, they had the magazines re-designed and switched the mag manufacture to a major magazine company. The new mags are nothing like the old mags that needed to be "tuned." They had Dawson of Dawson Precision come on as a consultant to train all of the gunsmiths who assemble the guns and improve processes. I am purchasing one, at the special guy price, and will carry it on duty after I get about 2k rounds and a lot of draws and manipulation practice with it. It will replace my Nighthawk Costa. The real problem with STI's for duty is duty holster availability. It would be cool if they made a 2011 that took Glock mags. That would be a crossover episode that I would watch the shit out of 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 5:59:58 PM EST
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Btw why are people mentioning Rangers and Texas? Is Texas DPS getting some of these too? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:01:28 PM EST
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Well, that's fairly dumb. Seriously, what can a 1911/2011 do for them that a GLOCK can't for a fifth the price? The Tribal Marshals here in OK switched back to GLOCK from the 2011. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:06:23 PM EST
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Hope they can get the mags to work
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:07:43 PM EST
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You don't need to spend 3k to get it, but the absolute biggest failing of Glock as a law enforcement gun is a lack of manual safety or a hammer that can be thumbed down on reholstering. Yes, I am about to get dog piled by the GD Striker Fired This is My Safety brigade, don't care. LE guns get drawn, pointed, and quickly and blindly reholstered FAR more than they get used to shoot people. LE guns also are often in hand during activities likely to lead to negligent discharges. They probably shouldn't be, but the reality is they are, and will be because people do dumb shit under stress despite training. I can think of 5-10 ND incidents from personal experience that would not have happened with a manual safety engaged. Don't even get me started on the Safariland Glock holsters cut for WMLs that let a sausage finger sized object into the trigger guard while holstered with all retention devices engaged. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:10:08 PM EST
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Well, that's fairly dumb. Seriously, what can a 1911/2011 do for them that a GLOCK can't for a fifth the price? The Tribal Marshals here in OK switched back to GLOCK from the 2011. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:10:30 PM EST
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They want to use their duty fun for 3-gun??
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:10:44 PM EST
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I'm probably a lot rough on my STI's than the U.S. Marshals are. Only if dumped into sand or real loose dirt do I tear down the magazines and fully clean them. Yearly I replace the springs and check over the tubes. I shoot over 500 rounds a month out of each of my STI's. I field strip and clean them every 500-1,000 rounds depending on the ammo I'm shooting.
I would have no problem carrying an STI as a duty gun, only time most LEO shoot their duty gun is qualification. They should be able to field strip it and clean & lube the gun after any use. The new STI magazines are really well made, I picked up a bunch and everyone was perfect for size and fit. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:11:58 PM EST
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Just go with Wilson Combat 1911s, it's just taxpayer money. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:15:50 PM EST
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Boomer retards who piss away money, what's new?
Will be a M45A1 repeat. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:19:49 PM EST
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 ughh... but its still a 9mm though...Im disappointed in the de-evolution towards needlessly heavy, fussy, anemic chambered designs when equipment should never be more important than skill. But... in truth i just wish my work would issue me one with cases of ammo to blow through on their tab, and im pretty jealous about it. Also this... Quoted:
there’s a reason that the 1911 rules the roost for triggers. And additional aspect of the manual safety that most don’t think about is that it provides more leverage to help with recoil mitigation |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:19:52 PM EST
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That seems like a bold, and pricey, move...........
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:21:23 PM EST
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If they were running XDM's they wouldn't have any disire to switch, except for the unwarrented teasing.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:21:59 PM EST
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my opinion meant anything to begin with? besides, nothing like poking fun at some gmen Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lol. This just rendered your entire opinion irrelevant....you might want to do a bit of research first. besides, nothing like poking fun at some gmen  And on to the topic. SOG is a very small percentage of USMS. The bulk all carry Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:22:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) A better trigger 2) Smoother traveling slide during operation are two that immediately come to mind. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:25:28 PM EST
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2011 is not a 100yr old gun.
If it runs reliably and they can hit accurately with it, I don't care...aside from it being economically irresponsible. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:25:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) A better trigger 2) Smoother traveling slide during operation are two that immediately come to mind. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:25:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryJesus fucking Christ. Gotta have that Gucci gun to go with your super elite group I guess. What the fuck do Marshals need a SOG group for? They gonna Eldest Son some crack dealers guns or something or is there some god tier shitbags that require this super fed group? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:26:51 PM EST
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Seriously, what can a 1911/2011 do for them that a GLOCK can't for a fifth the price? I wonder if they will let the users private purchase them when (not if) it happens? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:28:04 PM EST
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If they were running XDM's they wouldn't have any disire to switch, except for the unwarrented teasing. Im adequately shocked at your judgment of mentioning an xdm here in this division of firearms Please continue |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:29:28 PM EST
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Quoted: Lol. Fair point. G Men do deserve some ribbing And on to the topic. SOG is a very small percentage of USMS. The bulk all carry Glocks. Quoted: Don't see a lot of world class competitive shooters running glock 19s for a reason. Someone like a swat team can afford to wring out the extra performance and have the support to keep them running. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:30:03 PM EST
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Even as a happy xdm owner Im adequately shocked at your judgment of mentioning an xdm here in this division of firearms Please continue Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they were running XDM's they wouldn't have any disire to switch, except for the unwarrented teasing. Im adequately shocked at your judgment of mentioning an xdm here in this division of firearms Please continue |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:33:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. From what I understand mag issues is what stopped other groups from adopting the 2011 platform. My factory 20rd STI mags have never hiccuped. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:34:23 PM EST
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Well, that's fairly dumb. Seriously, what can a 1911/2011 do for them that a GLOCK can't for a fifth the price? 
Seriously...I cannot shoot a Glock that well. I'm way better with a 1911 or a Hi Power. I've had Glocks in the past and just bought a Gen4 19 mid July. I have close to 1,000 rnds through it. I still cannot shoot it that well although I am getting better. I think part of the deal is that I shoot an all steel gun better. The extra weight seems to work for me, that and a long sight radius. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:34:30 PM EST
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To bad Raylan Givens already retired.
He was quite the shot with a Glock, imagine if he was issued the 2011... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:36:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus fucking Christ. Gotta have that Gucci gun to go with your super elite group I guess. What the fuck do Marshals need a SOG group for? They gonna Eldest Son some crack dealers guns or something or is there some god tier shitbags that require this super fed group? Not saying that they need sti's but they are not desk jockeys either. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:38:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see people who fuck with their springs and followers having issues, trying to make a 20rd mag hold 23. My factory 20rd STI mags have never hiccuped. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:44:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never understood the xdm hate... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:44:55 PM EST
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Obvious that they have a very low level of testing. Neither sti or svi in all their years have been able to produce quality magazines and followers that guarantee slide lock back on an empty mag. This is why top tier military units never gave them the time of day.
The 2011 platform is just a gamer boy toy...... |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:48:15 PM EST
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STI switched owners in 2018. The new owners poured a shitload of money and machinery into developing a duty-ready pistol. They also pared the line of pistols down to a Comp line and Duty line. Further, they had the magazines re-designed and switched the mag manufacture to a major magazine company. The new mags are nothing like the old mags that needed to be "tuned." They had Dawson of Dawson Precision come on as a consultant to train all of the gunsmiths who assemble the guns and improve processes. I am purchasing one, at the special guy price, and will carry it on duty after I get about 2k rounds and a lot of draws and manipulation practice with it. It will replace my Nighthawk Costa. The real problem with STI's for duty is duty holster availability. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:51:51 PM EST
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Even as a happy xdm owner Im adequately shocked at your judgment of mentioning an xdm here in this division of firearms Please continue Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they were running XDM's they wouldn't have any disire to switch, except for the unwarrented teasing. Im adequately shocked at your judgment of mentioning an xdm here in this division of firearms Please continue |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:53:36 PM EST
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STI’s are great guns. I have shot the same one in competition for 15 years. Probably close to 100k rounds. And my pistol is just as tight and smooth as the day I bought it. And I could sell it tomorrow for more than I paid for it.
Can’t see a Glock or just about any common pistol being worth a shit if they were to survive 100k rounds. That being said...they are heavy. I tried to carry a 5” STI Tactical in .45 for a duty gun a few years ago. As I get older, weight savings matter over coolness on the duty belt. |
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