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Posted: 2/22/2022 11:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He also has a history of telling you how good the ammo market is (at that time) and telling you it would not last forever. He also has a history of almost going out of business due to glut. Whatever his choice is, he's trying to stay competitive and make money. That's the point of any business. If the sanctions end tomorrow, and everything is flooded with bulk Russian ammo he'll have to sell at a loss. If prices go up to a million dollars a round, he'll have to figure that out. If the government deems selling it is illegal, he takes a 100% loss on inventory. That's risk, that's his decision that's business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? Quoted: This. He's got a history of doing this He also has a history of telling you how good the ammo market is (at that time) and telling you it would not last forever. He also has a history of almost going out of business due to glut. Quoted: If he puts it up for sale now it'll just get bought up by flippers. I'd rather him make the money on it than some random dickhead. Whatever his choice is, he's trying to stay competitive and make money. That's the point of any business. If the sanctions end tomorrow, and everything is flooded with bulk Russian ammo he'll have to sell at a loss. If prices go up to a million dollars a round, he'll have to figure that out. If the government deems selling it is illegal, he takes a 100% loss on inventory. That's risk, that's his decision that's business. Yep, cannot make a retail business work without enough product to retail. Sucks to see a price jump but if those lines are 15% of his income stream and his costs everywhere are also going up then he has to make calls to stay in business or even when to close shop for good. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:00:02 AM EDT
[#2]
I have nothing against SGAmmo.
I bought a lot on the past but do t anymore because I’ve found the same ammo cheaper elsewhere. No opinion of same or anyone else that I dont buy from. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:01:28 AM EDT
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I fail to see the issue when we have Serbian, Bosnian, and now Bulgarian ammo coming in.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:01:48 AM EDT
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I stopped buying from sgammo over shit like this a long time ago. He can play the market, good luck to him.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:02:26 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How can he? No such thing as price gouging. This. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:03:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How can he? No such thing as price gouging. This. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:05:39 AM EDT
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I never used him because prices were cheaper but I wouldn’t be mad. It was already done anyway so He should stacked it deep
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:07:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: He sent emails for years saying "buy this shit while it's cheap". Quoted: I can appreciate his stance. Quoted: How can he? No such thing as price gouging. Ammo price thread brings commies and their "price gouging!!!1!"  Attached FileNow you get to be ammo poor. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:08:30 AM EDT
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Basically he’s stupid for not preparing himself and stacking when it was available
I shoot, he sells, and some collect so either way we’ll never have enough |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:08:37 AM EDT
[#10]
I was done buying 7.62x39 when it passed $200 a case. Adding sales tax made it worse. I bought two lifetime supplies of that ammo because I bought it cheap and stacked it deep like I was supposed to.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:10:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was done buying 7.62x39 when it passed $200 a case. Adding sales tax made it worse. I bought two lifetime supplies of that ammo because I bought it cheap and stacked it deep like I was supposed to. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/trump-bagofdicks-4.jpg Right we don’t have to buy it But some of you lifetime supply guys can’t possibly shoot much |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:14:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SG can sell guns and parts too. Which have margins that are razor thin |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:15:09 AM EDT
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looks like his site is down too
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:15:56 AM EDT
[#14]
I love that GD feels entitled to be sold goods at a low margin at all times by a retailer.
I remember when SG was nearly out of business because Trump depressed the market and you entitled socialists thought that ammo would last forever at those prices. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:18:43 AM EDT
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If someone at the gun show is selling the same ammo at the same price as SGammo are they price gouging?
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:20:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone at the gun show is selling the same ammo at the same price as SGammo are they price gouging? You obviously don’t read the gunshow threads |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:24:41 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You obviously don’t read the gunshow threads Like the one just today with the $400 bottle of powder? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:29:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like the one just today with the $400 bottle of powder? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You obviously don’t read the gunshow threads Like the one just today with the $400 bottle of powder? I didn't know there were 20# jugs of powder. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:32:16 AM EDT
[#19]
I can't wait until some of you guys are exposed to commodities.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:39:22 AM EDT
[#20]
my money my rules. i bought what i needed from another seller. plus i reload.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:48:26 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone at the gun show is selling the same ammo at the same price as SGammo are they price gouging? Selling? Maybe. Displaying it? Not a big deal. If you go to more fun shows you would understand. Last one here I saw $95/lb for titegroup. It was $25.99/lb with 8lbs in stock about 10 minutes down the road. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:56:58 AM EDT
[#22]
pays to be a smart shopper. they need our money more then i need thier ammo
Quote HistoryQuoted: Selling? Maybe. Displaying it? Not a big deal. If you go to more fun shows you would understand. Last one here I saw $95/lb for titegroup. It was $25.99/lb with 8lbs in stock about 10 minutes down the road. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 12:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Selling? Maybe. Displaying it? Not a big deal. If you go to more fun shows you would understand. Last one here I saw $95/lb for titegroup. It was $25.99/lb with 8lbs in stock about 10 minutes down the road. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If someone at the gun show is selling the same ammo at the same price as SGammo are they price gouging? Selling? Maybe. Displaying it? Not a big deal. If you go to more fun shows you would understand. Last one here I saw $95/lb for titegroup. It was $25.99/lb with 8lbs in stock about 10 minutes down the road. What I'm asking is a specific question in regards to gouging, as it pertains to SGammo. Same ammo, same prices. Who is gouging? Is anyone gouging? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:19:31 AM EDT
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You are quite right.
Gouging isn't the proper term for what I feel is going on here. I feel this is a marketing stunt. Russian ammo is coming to a close one way or another. Tomorrow or at max in another 1.5 years. We've known that since last summer. Other European countries are entering the market and the US market may begin producing as well. Norinco ammo cans still circulate today, as do 7N6. This will be around for a while yet, too - but the ammo sellers were given notice over 6 months ago. It's the method I dislike. I don't like how Rare Breed has 250 new triggers in stock every other day, but you have to have the super secret speakeasy email invite to them. I don't like how K-Var "finds" SGL 21s in their warehouse a few times a year (Or used to, that shtick may have finally ended). People complained when Ben from Classic Arms touted the "last of the last" for surplus imports over and over again and misrepresented the condition of those weapons. It's become too common a tactic in this market. Lee's Mags did it, and people eventually got sick of it to the point where he's almost unknown now. I mentioned earlier that there is an artificial inventory ticker on SG that still is used today. I don't like that either. This is akin to crying wolf. The difference is we know when it is coming, which makes this seem all the more nonsensical. We have had time to buy, dealers have had opportunity to consider their future and adjust as necessary. This announcement rings hollow. Especially when families are hurting to pay for other things right this second. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:20:04 AM EDT
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I stacked pretty deep on 7.62x39 to feed a Romy RPK with drum mags and a binary trigger
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Business 101: You sell your goods based on what replenishment will cost not based on what you paid for it. He has no idea if or when or how much cost he can restock his Russian sourced ammo if the POTATUS decides to ban Russian ammo. This. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:29:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? This. He's got a history of doing this Which sucks because they used to be my go to place for ammo. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:30:49 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are quite right. Gouging isn't the proper term for what I feel is going on here. I feel this is a marketing stunt. Russian ammo is coming to a close one way or another. Tomorrow or at max in another 1.5 years. We've known that since last summer. Other European countries are entering the market and the US market may begin producing as well. Norinco ammo cans still circulate today, as do 7N6. This will be around for a while yet, too - but the ammo sellers were given notice over 6 months ago. It's the method I dislike. I don't like how Rare Breed has 250 new triggers in stock every other day, but you have to have the super secret speakeasy email invite to them. I don't like how K-Var "finds" SGL 21s in their warehouse a few times a year (Or used to, that shtick may have finally ended). People complained when Ben from Classic Arms touted the "last of the last" for surplus imports over and over again and misrepresented the condition of those weapons. It's become too common a tactic in this market. Lee's Mags did it, and people eventually got sick of it to the point where he's almost unknown now. I mentioned earlier that there is an artificial inventory ticker on SG that still is used today. I don't like that either. This is akin to crying wolf. The difference is we know when it is coming, which makes this seem all the more nonsensical. We have had time to buy, dealers have had opportunity to consider their future and adjust as necessary. This announcement rings hollow. The thing that concerns me is such a marketing stunt and fake shortage won't just increase the price of Russian ammo, it will increase the price of all ammo. It leads to overall panic buying, perceived scarcity where it isn't appropriate, and hoarding. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:33:40 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The thing that concerns me is such a marketing stunt and fake shortage won't just increase the price of Russian ammo, it will increase the price of all ammo. It leads to overall panic buying, perceived scarcity where it isn't appropriate, and hoarding. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. 100% my point. And what many people don't seem to grasp is that if this is a stunt - that was a conscious decision to make likely knowing what the result would be. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:35:27 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's gonna price gouge? First off, only liberal Socialists use the phrase "price gouge" Second off, Sam has been email blasting every week for the past several YEARS that if you're going to want Russian ammo then you need to buy it ASAP. And when it finally happens it is suddenly a big shock to everyone with double digit IQs |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:39:28 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He lost a lot of respect by manipulating his inventory numbers. 10 in stock...7...3...1... Then 10 in stock again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone who says price gouge about any product at any time in any place is a faggot of the utmost proportions. He lost a lot of respect by manipulating his inventory numbers. 10 in stock...7...3...1... Then 10 in stock again. Was it in stock when you bought it? If so, who gives a flying fuck? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:40:34 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys remember this stuff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/451403/SmartSelect_20220222-205647_Gmail-2289656.jpg Yeah. The manufacturer used hard primers, and standard hammer springs and firing pins had trouble with it. Once it was discovered, I am pretty sure he made it right with those who wanted an exchange. I just put in an enhanced firing pin and shot it. Still have some. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:41:49 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it in stock when you bought it? If so, who gives a flying fuck? Numerous people had orders canceled only to have it relisted. That's fuckery of top order. Edit: another thing that turned off many of us - Sam actually went to Russia to negotiate an exclusive line of 8m3 effect 7.62 ammo. Built to the exact spec of the Files' request. He brought it to market. It was repackaged Tula/common maker hollow point. I still have 500 rounds of it. He very well may have been bamboozled by the factories too. He claims he was. But that was the beginning of it all. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:51:25 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont have an AK so it can be $100 a round if he wants. Its his ammo and his business. Im just calling it what it is.  ALL ammo will go up. Everyone who uses steel cased 5.56 will now be buying brass cased, adding to the buyers of a shrinking pool of ammo for sale. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:56:52 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this its is shit to sell. if you dont like it, invest millions of your own money in ammo and warehouse space. fire insurance and sprinkler systems. businesses are NOT obligated to sell you their stuff at yesterdays prices. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:58:48 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: its is shit to sell. if you dont like it, invest millions of your own money in ammo and warehouse space. fire insurance and sprinkler systems. businesses are NOT obligated to sell you their stuff at yesterdays prices. Please find every post I've made in the thread before commenting on the first one you found. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:07:01 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right we don’t have to buy it But some of you lifetime supply guys can’t possibly shoot much My shooting habits are radically different than when it was 89.00/1000
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:08:39 AM EDT
[#38]
I recently bought .30-30 from his other site and overpaid as well.
That said, overpaying him was like having a prostate exam completed with an index finger - overpaying at my local store's price per round would be more in line with using a shovel handle to accomplish that same prostate exam. $170 for 100 rounds, or $300... |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:22:22 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But some of you lifetime supply guys can’t possibly shoot much Agreed. I'm shooting upwards of 4k a year if I only attend the USPSA and Action Rifle matches at my local club. That's not including: Target shooting Training courses or drills Teaching people to shoot Testing/verifying zero Hell, last weekend I shot half my remaining supply of birdshot in a single outing (250 rounds) over the course of about 6-7 hours. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:29:42 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's an elastic good with multiple vendors, substitute suppliers, you don't need it to survive, and there's no monopoly on it. He cannot price gouge, as it's a myth absent the above conditions. He can adjust market price to the new demand curve, since his supply is now highly volatile. even without those conditions it wouldn't be "gouging". There's no such thing. The market will correct for imbalances if the gov would just gtfo of pricing goods. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:30:29 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Found on an AK forum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269116/Screenshot_20220222-213919_2_png-2289632.JPG |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:35:10 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Scumbag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found on an AK forum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269116/Screenshot_20220222-213919_2_png-2289632.JPG I hope some element completely beyond your control never wrecks your livelihood. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:35:53 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Found on an AK forum. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269116/Screenshot_20220222-213919_2_png-2289632.JPG Why does this look like a bad photoshop job? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:37:07 AM EDT
[#44]
I reload the 7.62x39 and have for a couple of decades, even when it wasn’t cheaper to do so, so I’m not too concerned.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:45:53 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I fail to see the issue when we have Serbian, Bosnian, and now Bulgarian ammo coming in. Russia is a big piece and it will hit the supply chain. It could likely drive prices up even if not the massive level some say. I mean it isn't going to be cheaper with less competition. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:50:24 AM EDT
[#46]
Surprised we have so many commies posting here.
It's called capitalism, not price gouging. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:02:38 AM EDT
[#47]
Sounds like we have some more Karen's in GD than I thought. Here's a interesting facts bruh. Don't like it! Don't buy it!! End of story. I've bought from him and had no issue
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:08:27 AM EDT
[#48]
Seems a fair amount of posters here don't understand the laws of supply and demand. This too shall pass.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:15:16 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. The manufacturer used hard primers, and standard hammer springs and firing pins had trouble with it. Once it was discovered, I am pretty sure he made it right with those who wanted an exchange. I just put in an enhanced firing pin and shot it. Still have some. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You guys remember this stuff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/451403/SmartSelect_20220222-205647_Gmail-2289656.jpg Yeah. The manufacturer used hard primers, and standard hammer springs and firing pins had trouble with it. Once it was discovered, I am pretty sure he made it right with those who wanted an exchange. I just put in an enhanced firing pin and shot it. Still have some. SGAmmo took it all back and issued refunds. Then sold it as is with the disclaimer about the hard primers. My Yugo M85 and Mossberg MVP shoot it just fine, ARs need an enhanced firing pin, other rifles wont shoot it due to a lack of firing pin protrusion. Wishing I had bought more 25 x1000 Rounds Loose - 223 Rem FMJ Steel Case Russian Ammo - HARD PRIMER - SOLD AS-IS - Read Description - $3,997.50 ($159.90 each) SKU: HP-223-1000rd-loose |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:17:57 AM EDT
[#50]
Their business, their rules.
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