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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:21:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll bet I know where you snagged it at https://heritagearmory.com/tula-7-62x39mm-33-case-half-pallet-35-per-round/?sku=22110-1 Holy dogshit Anyone got 18 grand to burn?  Shipping is extra, fuck that  I should prolly buy some more ammo tho seriously |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:25:04 AM EDT
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Honestly I respect him for being completely honest.
He could have very easily said “nope, we are out of stock” instead of being honest. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:27:50 AM EDT
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Seems like most of the whining is about tangential issues or mislabeling what is happening. A retailer forgoing selling a product to have it on hand for an upcoming promotion would be viewed as a good thing, but forgoing sales to wait out a market adjustment is a bad thing. The only difference being whether the action benefits the customer or the company. Selling at cost plus instead of a profit would benefit the customer too, but we rarely if ever accuse anyone of profiteering. We expect companies to sell at a profit, for such is our chosen economic system. Scummy moves are still scummy, but this is not cancelling backorders to force repurchase at a higher price. As for indicating, or releasing limited quantities for sale at a time, do we get mad when a brick and mortar store has a hundred widget in inventory but only puts ten on the shelf? The issue is not the practice, but how an otherwise reasonable practice is used.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 4:09:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Numerous people had orders canceled only to have it relisted. That's fuckery of top order. Edit: another thing that turned off many of us - Sam actually went to Russia to negotiate an exclusive line of 8m3 effect 7.62 ammo. Built to the exact spec of the Files' request. He brought it to market. It was repackaged Tula/common maker hollow point. I still have 500 rounds of it. He very well may have been bamboozled by the factories too. He claims he was. But that was the beginning of it all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was it in stock when you bought it? If so, who gives a flying fuck? Numerous people had orders canceled only to have it relisted. That's fuckery of top order. Edit: another thing that turned off many of us - Sam actually went to Russia to negotiate an exclusive line of 8m3 effect 7.62 ammo. Built to the exact spec of the Files' request. He brought it to market. It was repackaged Tula/common maker hollow point. I still have 500 rounds of it. He very well may have been bamboozled by the factories too. He claims he was. But that was the beginning of it all. Was it in stock when you bought it? If so, who gives a flying fuck. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 6:58:54 AM EDT
[#5]
Fuck a bunch of ammo drama.
Training has been hard to do for two years. I'll buy a boat and go fishing instead. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:02:52 AM EDT
[#6]
I have an unopened crate of Russian 7.62x54R. Should have bought more so I can retire.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:03:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this I am going to put this into simple terms: Price gouging IS capitalism. Markets don't adjust for your opinions on what things should cost. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:09:11 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why y’all hate capitalism?? Stacked that shit deep back in the salad days when you shoulda been too. This. I’m sleeping like a baby in my ammo fort. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:25:33 AM EDT
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LOL, this thread reminds me of all the people I personally know who I've been telling (like sgammo) for years to buy it cheap and stack it. Same entitled attitude...now with prices up they're all butt hurt because they can't go buy what they want, at the price they want, at the time they want. I used to try to help them out by selling some of my stash to them below the current market price (but above what I paid...I guess I'm also price gouger). Not any more. These people have demonstrated that they're helpless at best and potentially closet commies at worst.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:29:18 AM EDT
[#10]
I don't mind that he's doing it.
But currently a case of whatever there is usually $50-100 more expensive than most other online retailers so I shop elsewhere. Which sucks because I used to buy from SG religiously. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:30:22 AM EDT
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Sounds like the CIA needed ammo
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:47:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't mind that he's doing it. But currently a case of whatever there is usually $50-100 more expensive than most other online retailers so I shop elsewhere. Which sucks because I used to buy from SG religiously. His business, he can do what he wants I suppose. I used to buy religiously from him for years. I think he realized he was leaving a bit of money on the table with his lower prices. They don't ship to Maine anymore which sucks. State giving him problems so not his fault I guess. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a crock of shit, wants to cause prices to rise by creating a shortage IMO  What a crock of shit, you want to cause process to fall by creating a glut |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:52:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:54:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's gonna price gouge? Gouging doesn't exist, supply and demand is a real thing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:54:45 AM EDT
[#16]
Good thing have almost 50k primers
 I know that's small potatoes to some who shoot comps and have several 100k on hand. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:55:59 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He lost a lot of respect by manipulating his inventory numbers. 10 in stock...7...3...1... Then 10 in stock again. Yeah, that was weird that it did that... |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:57:38 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, that was weird that it did that... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He lost a lot of respect by manipulating his inventory numbers. 10 in stock...7...3...1... Then 10 in stock again. Yeah, that was weird that it did that... Keeps someone from ordering 20 cases. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:57:43 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's gonna price gouge? Free market Capitalism Running a business What would you do if 50% of your income might go away next week? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:58:00 AM EDT
[#20]
Did Wolf Gold ever start to show back up. I know it was Taiwanese ammo.and good stuff for blasting.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:58:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who says price gouge about any product at any time in any place is a faggot of the utmost proportions. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 7:58:36 AM EDT
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One round per gallon of gas..............
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:00:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @grinningdag @craigan What do you guys do for a living? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? This. He's got a history of doing this @grinningdag @craigan What do you guys do for a living? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:09:06 AM EDT
[#24]
Thanks for the heritage link. Bought a few. Wish I could justify a container full
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He sent emails for years saying "buy this shit while it's cheap". |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:37:22 AM EDT
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Whenever the topic of ammo and gun prices come up. Half of arfcom suddenly becomes communists.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:40:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? This. He's got a history of doing this Yes he does. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:43:58 AM EDT
[#28]
lol at you idiots and
your gouging bullshit |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:48:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. This right here. [REd]But crickets in GD on this.[red] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He sent emails for years saying "buy this shit while it's cheap". Worse! There were threads complaining that he was "fear mongering" and trying to scare people into ordering. I buy from SGAmmo. Not everything, but I have found ammo that they were either cheapest on or close enough to it. Shop around. No one ever said that one guy had to be the cheapest on everything. Buy when it makes sense, dont when it doesnt. But complaining about it is silly. We have a shop here like that. Some of their prices are good, some of them a the best I can find. Most of them are too high for my taste. But I have no reason to complain about that. Buy what makes sense. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:00:46 AM EDT
[#30]
I'd be more pissed about companies that are running free shipping because a state might pass a mag ban. Virtue signaling profiteering to the max.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:00:54 AM EDT
[#31]
Sam hasn't been relevant for a while. When you charge $50 more a case than most places, you price yourself out of the market.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:01:41 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whenever the topic of ammo and gun prices come up. Half of arfcom suddenly becomes communists. It's not just ammo. Everybody wants to be a capitalist until it's time to do capitalist shit. I call the phenomenon Laissez-faire-weather economics. 
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:03:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worse! There were threads complaining that he was "fear mongering" and trying to scare people into ordering. I buy from SGAmmo. Not everything, but I have found ammo that they were either cheapest on or close enough to it. Shop around. No one ever said that one guy had to be the cheapest on everything. Buy when it makes sense, dont when it doesnt. But complaining about it is silly. We have a shop here like that. Some of their prices are good, some of them a the best I can find. Most of them are too high for my taste. But I have no reason to complain about that. Buy what makes sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He sent emails for years saying "buy this shit while it's cheap". Worse! There were threads complaining that he was "fear mongering" and trying to scare people into ordering. I buy from SGAmmo. Not everything, but I have found ammo that they were either cheapest on or close enough to it. Shop around. No one ever said that one guy had to be the cheapest on everything. Buy when it makes sense, dont when it doesnt. But complaining about it is silly. We have a shop here like that. Some of their prices are good, some of them a the best I can find. Most of them are too high for my taste. But I have no reason to complain about that. Buy what makes sense. Plz buy. Prices are low so I can only make money on volume. It won't be like this forever. GD: HA HA WOW ur trying to scare us lol no way u scammer Okay well I'm not sure I want to sell all this because I don't know what it goes for or when I can replenish it. GD: WOW STOP PRICE GOUGING WOW SELL TO ME AT 17cpr WOW YOU CROOK |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:03:58 AM EDT
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If you didn’t buy when he sent emails about the price going up. I think for over a year now. Keep you mouth shut. We had threads here complaining about it as fear mongering. Fools don’t understand basic supply and demand math. Last week he said you better buy it now while it’s cheap in his email.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:04:24 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He also has a history of telling you how good the ammo market is (at that time) and telling you it would not last forever. He also has a history of almost going out of business due to glut. Whatever his choice is, he's trying to stay competitive and make money. That's the point of any business. If the sanctions end tomorrow, and everything is flooded with bulk Russian ammo he'll have to sell at a loss. If prices go up to a million dollars a round, he'll have to figure that out. If the government deems selling it is illegal, he takes a 100% loss on inventory. That's risk, that's his decision that's business. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? Quoted: This. He's got a history of doing this He also has a history of telling you how good the ammo market is (at that time) and telling you it would not last forever. He also has a history of almost going out of business due to glut. Quoted: If he puts it up for sale now it'll just get bought up by flippers. I'd rather him make the money on it than some random dickhead. Whatever his choice is, he's trying to stay competitive and make money. That's the point of any business. If the sanctions end tomorrow, and everything is flooded with bulk Russian ammo he'll have to sell at a loss. If prices go up to a million dollars a round, he'll have to figure that out. If the government deems selling it is illegal, he takes a 100% loss on inventory. That's risk, that's his decision that's business. +1 You sell for a price high enough to buy more inventory. Why would he sell his remaining inventory if he doesn’t know what it will cost to replace? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:05:51 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? This. He's got a history of doing this Isn't his ammo??? He may sell it at whatever price he pleases and nobody should get their panties in a bunch. After all it's not like he cornered the baby formula market or a life saving medication. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:06:36 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Fuck a bunch of ammo drama. Training has been hard to do for two years. I'll buy a boat and go fishing instead. It's nothing to shoot a half case in a couple hours and as much as I want to hit the range a few times a month I realized I can probably take a few nice trips a year instead. It's like paying paying a gym $5-600 a month to work out I feel like these days. Quoted: This. I’m sleeping like a baby in my ammo fort. If it makes you happy to collect then do you but again I can definitely see most here don't shoot. His business his rules and I hope he has a team of guys looking at other ways to procure ammo because his strategy seems very short minded. Ammo is not going to stop being made and disappear. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:07:41 AM EDT
[#38]
I'm going to buy ammo from him and then throw it in the trash
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:08:32 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sam hasn't been relevant for a while. When you charge $50 more a case than most places, you price yourself out of the market. I concur, used to buy from him exclusively, several cases a month. His prices now, while not terrible, are pretty much higher across the board. Lately I can get 5.56 at most local stores as cheap or cheaper than anywhere on line, and that's not even taking shipping into consideration. Oh well, no good thing lasts forever.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:11:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Business 101: You sell your goods based on what replenishment will cost not based on what you paid for it. He has no idea if or when or how much cost he can restock his Russian sourced ammo if the POTATUS decides to ban Russian ammo. +1 Exactly. Right now guns and mags are relatively cheap. Buy those. When ammo prices drop, buy that. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:21:32 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 Exactly. Right now guns and mags are relatively cheap. Buy those. When ammo prices drop, buy that. Yeah capitalism works more than 1 way. Be smart on how you spend your money. If there is a void in the cheap ammo market then there is a potential to make a lot of cash for someone. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:24:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plz buy. Prices are low so I can only make money on volume. It won't be like this forever. GD: HA HA WOW ur trying to scare us lol no way u scammer Okay well I'm not sure I want to sell all this because I don't know what it goes for or when I can replenish it. GD: WOW STOP PRICE GOUGING WOW SELL TO ME AT 17cpr WOW YOU CROOK I have been on or around this forum for twenty years. This is exactly what GD is when it comes to prices on just about anything. For being "conservatives" - this place has really turned into Reddit gun.deals. Totally out of touch with how a market works. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:24:48 AM EDT
[#43]
How dare that guy do what he wants with his own stuff.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:26:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. He's got a history of doing this Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's gonna price gouge? This. He's got a history of doing this |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:26:54 AM EDT
[#45]
Why wouldn't he hold it if it's going up in value. He's not compelled to sell his goods at current prices if he doesn't want to. Farmers do this with grain all the time and no one gives them hell for it.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:28:31 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sam hasn't been relevant for a while. When you charge $50 more a case than most places, you price yourself out of the market. It appears he hasn't priced himself out of the market. He routinely has inventory, and for me, having ammo at a small premium beats having no ammo priced where my feelz say it should be priced. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:28:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% my point. And what many people don't seem to grasp is that if this is a stunt - that was a conscious decision to make likely knowing what the result would be. Or maybe people thought Russia was going to crank out insane amounts of ammo while the Form 6s were still good and now it seems likely that the tens of millions of rounds that would have made it in won’t make it in. And maybe a lot of people thought Ukraine would be able to step up their game and take over for Russia, but Ukraine would have to exist for that to happen and that seems increasingly unlikely. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:29:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was it in stock when you bought it? If so, who gives a flying fuck? Only dishonest business don’t give you live inventory of their back storage rooms (sarcasim) |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:30:49 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Numerous people had orders canceled only to have it relisted. That's fuckery of top order. Edit: another thing that turned off many of us - Sam actually went to Russia to negotiate an exclusive line of 8m3 effect 7.62 ammo. Built to the exact spec of the Files' request. He brought it to market. It was repackaged Tula/common maker hollow point. I still have 500 rounds of it. He very well may have been bamboozled by the factories too. He claims he was. But that was the beginning of it all. I don’t think Sam canceled a single order that was placed. If you have evidence you should provide it or correct your post. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 9:31:16 AM EDT
[#50]
He's always saying the sky is falling, maybe it is.
If you didn't stack it deep when it was around two hundred a case, or cheaper, you get what you deserve. |
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