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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:09:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The founders did not envision the government lasting more than 50 or so years. They expected revolutions. 
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:10:16 AM EDT
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This issue has been discussed here previously. Explosives are not "arms".. 
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:22 AM EDT
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The founders did not envision the government lasting more than 50 or so years. They expected revolutions. And, again, the 2nd Amendment does not apply to explosives or weapons. The 2nd Amendment limits government. Period. Once they were in charge, they sang a different tune. Any national leader who expects and supports a revolution every fifty years is literally insane. That's no way to create a stable society. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:23 AM EDT
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And I will never stop pointing out the idiocy of those who argue because they can chew bubble gum, they have an inalienable right to own nukes. You are twisting the 2A to appeal to your fantasies not natural rights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I will never stop pointing out the idiocy of people who want our freedom and natural rights restricted. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:27 AM EDT
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racist much? Perhaps you are the racist for assuming that because someone is receiving government assistance, that coincides with them being a certain race? |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:27 AM EDT
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That is an argument for artillery I might buy if you have a Letter of Marquee for your ship from congress? Having explosives to make IEDs is a whole different argument and definitely unrelated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: People owned crew served weapons mounted on warships too Modern powder = burns rapidly Black Powder = Low order explosive. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:35 AM EDT
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Of course they should be.
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:11:40 AM EDT
[#8]
the right of the people to keep and bear small Arms, shall not be infringed
the right of a small number of individuals to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed the right of the people to keep and bear only commonly owned Arms, shall not be infringed the right of the people (except black people) to keep and bear Arms, as long as they're for good, constructive or self-defense purposes, shall not be infringed the right of the people to keep and bear only the arms they show an actual need for, shall not be infringed 
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:12:14 AM EDT
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The exact same argument can be made for an AR15. the is no acceptable reason for Jamal as you say to own an AR15. An acceptable reason is the unwritten threat of don't become a tyrannical government and we wont use these things against you, or another would be dont invade America and we wont use this stuff against you. Both of those are acceptable arguments. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:12:55 AM EDT
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black powder, used in muskets, is an ________ |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:13:08 AM EDT
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@MadMonkey you’re killing me here Quote HistoryQuoted:
the right of the people to keep and bear small Arms, shall not be infringed
the right of a small number of individuals to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed the right of the people to keep and bear only commonly owned Arms, shall not be infringed the right of the people (except black people) to keep and bear Arms, as long as they're for good, constructive or self-defense purposes, shall not be infringed the right of the people to keep and bear only the arms they show an actual need for, shall not be infringed 
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:14:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is your ignorant interpretation. Find a court that agrees with you. Explosives are not arms.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:14:18 AM EDT
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Tell us what Jamal in the section 8 apartment complex is likely to do with a breaching charge. Anything constructive? Good? Self-defensive? Probably NOT. Look, if the government wants to make these things available with the same restrictions as there are for dynamite, then go for it. Certainly not any acceptable reason for these things to be readily available to the general public. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"the right of the people to keep and bear only commonly owned Arms, shall not be infringed" Anything constructive? Good? Self-defensive? Probably NOT. Look, if the government wants to make these things available with the same restrictions as there are for dynamite, then go for it. Certainly not any acceptable reason for these things to be readily available to the general public. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:14:44 AM EDT
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Seriously- the 2nd Amendment. What do you think it's purpose is? |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:14:44 AM EDT
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No restrictions. No tax stamps. Don't like it, got hurt feelings boo hoo, go feel sad somewhere else. I'm surprised how many people pissed backward on this, there's a whole lot of brainwashed mothers out there. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:15:29 AM EDT
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If Jamal is a felon he shouldn't have access to any firearm. Same with Tom, Dick and Harry. I though Jamal was just some dude. Jamal the regular guy = can own an AR15 Jamal the felon = can not legally own an AR15 Not the same thing is it... |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:16:06 AM EDT
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Like I said, they may have talked a big game while they were Revolutionaries. Once they were in charge, they sang a different tune. Any national leader who expects and supports a revolution every fifty years is literally insane. That's no way to create a stable society. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The founders did not envision the government lasting more than 50 or so years. They expected revolutions. And, again, the 2nd Amendment does not apply to explosives or weapons. The 2nd Amendment limits government. Period. Once they were in charge, they sang a different tune. Any national leader who expects and supports a revolution every fifty years is literally insane. That's no way to create a stable society. I think it's time for you to dig deep, find your principles, and start donating to Moms Demand Action instead of the NRA. Nothing you've said defends the use of AR15s, standard capacity mags, or civilian firearms training. buy a shotgun |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like I said, they may have talked a big game while they were Revolutionaries. Once they were in charge, they sang a different tune. Any national leader who expects and supports a revolution every fifty years is literally insane. That's no way to create a stable society. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:17:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not many individuals. It was more like Mr Dillon owning the expensive stuff he shows in his videos today. It was more a case of a small town to have communal ownership of a single small artillery field piece. Your occasional wealthy guy could afford to buy and equip a ship, which was brought up earlier in the thread . Equipping those ships was nowhere near the level of a Mon O' War, either. It was nowhere near as common for private citizens to own warships or artillery as is being inferred here. I don't see where this argument has anything to do with justifying people owning breaching charges today Commonality has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:17:53 AM EDT
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Oh now we are adding felon... I though Jamal was just some dude. Jamal the regular guy = can own an AR15 Jamal the felon = can not legally own an AR15 Not the same thing is it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Jamal is a felon he shouldn't have access to any firearm. Same with Tom, Dick and Harry. I though Jamal was just some dude. Jamal the regular guy = can own an AR15 Jamal the felon = can not legally own an AR15 Not the same thing is it... |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:17:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People owned crew served weapons mounted on warships too Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:18:25 AM EDT
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wow, we're a million miles apart I think it's time for you to dig deep, find your principles, and start donating to Moms Demand Action instead of the NRA. Nothing you've said defends the use of AR15s, standard capacity mags, or civilian firearms training. buy a shotgun |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:20:11 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "the right of the people (except black people) to keep and bear Arms, as long as they're for good, constructive or self-defense purposes, shall not be infringed" |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:21:08 AM EDT
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No they didn't own warships. They owned merchant ships armed with cannons to protect from pirates. They relied on speed to flee not to fight. Show where someone owned a Man-o-War much less without a Letter of Marquee authorized from Congress. I dare you. Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: People owned crew served weapons mounted on warships too Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. @Chisum Quoted:
Quoted: People owned crew served weapons mounted on warships too Modern powder = burns rapidly Black Powder = Low order explosive. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:22:11 AM EDT
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Then your expectations are unrealistic We can't lock bad guys up forever. The death penalty is a shrinking option for even the most heinous of crimes. Society is literally filled with people who shouldn't have access to "whatever the fuck they want". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Project much? Freedom is freedom. I want every citizen who isn't in prison to be able to own whatever the fuck they want. We can't lock bad guys up forever. The death penalty is a shrinking option for even the most heinous of crimes. Society is literally filled with people who shouldn't have access to "whatever the fuck they want". Not to mention, if people had "whatever the fuck they want"ed and were allowed to use it, those people would have more reason to be afraid. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:22:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:22:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until they are a component in an arty round.... |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:22:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No they didn't own warships. They owned merchant ships armed with cannons to protect from pirates. They relied on speed to flee not to fight. Show where someone owned a Man-o-War much less without a Letter of Marquee authorized from Congress. I dare you. Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. privately owned warships comprised the majority of the Continental fighting force at sea. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:23:21 AM EDT
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Then we need to put those people down. It should be 100% legal to use lethal means to defend your property, without question. This guy was breaking into your garage and you shot him in the face? Have a nice day sir, just make sure you hose off the concrete. Not to mention, if people had "whatever the fuck they want"ed and were allowed to use it, those people would have more reason to be afraid. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:24:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s that dirty N word again, “need.” What does the left think you “need”? Furthermore, speak for yourself, you know what you need. Don’t presume that it does or should extend to others. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:25:48 AM EDT
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You are all jumping around ans shooting each other in the feet.
What is so hard to understand about what the 2nd Amendment does? The Second Amendment does not protect any inanimate object that can be used as a weapon. The Second Amendment limits the government. It was written to prevent the government from implementing any law such as the NFA and the GCA of 1968. The government got away with writing those laws because people decided that guns are scary and the government will protect us. The government isn't going to protect you. The government is going to protect its best interests. Itself. Look at Epstein. Perfect example. He had a shit ton of incriminating information. And he killed himself in prison???? Come on man. If you don't think every free person of this nation should have access to whatever they want to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property then there is something wrong with you. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:26:03 AM EDT
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I need Claymores, RPGs, & a T-34. Not that I could afford it, but if I win the lottery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There’s that dirty N word again, “need.” What does the left think you “need”? Furthermore, speak for yourself, you know what you need. Don’t presume that it does or should extend to others. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:26:59 AM EDT
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No they didn't own warships. They owned merchant ships armed with cannons to protect from pirates. They relied on speed to flee not to fight. Show where someone owned a Man-o-War much less without a Letter of Marquee authorized from Congress. I dare you. Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: People owned crew served weapons mounted on warships too Battleships? In you most obscure dreams. 
You're aware, of course, that privateers and merchants with Letters of Marque (not Marquee lol) made up the VAST majority of our Revolutionary War fleet and captured thousands of enemy ships.. right? |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:27:28 AM EDT
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Then we need to put those people down. It should be 100% legal to use lethal means to defend your property, without question. This guy was breaking into your garage and you shot him in the face? Have a nice day sir, just make sure you hose off the concrete. Not to mention, if people had "whatever the fuck they want"ed and were allowed to use it, those people would have more reason to be afraid. An armed society is a polite society. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:27:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Second Amendment, as written, does not apply to AR-15s, AK-47s, bolt action, semi automatic, full automatic, lever action, break action, pistols, knives, bats, or any weapon for that matter. The Second Amendment, as written, limits government. Period. The technology of the weapon does not matter. The limits on the government remain the same. Our Forefathers had just finished fighting a war for our freedom against a tyrannical government. They wanted to ensure that we the people would never be put in a bad position again. The statement "The Right of the People to Keep And Bear Arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Has one meaning ONLY. All gun laws are infringements. Taxation is theft. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:30:07 AM EDT
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All armaments are considered arms under the 2A. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:31:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ol’ George was a damned criminal then. It's a very short list. I'm sure. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still waiting for a response on this one... @Chisum Except that black powder used to shoot musket balls is an explosive. Modern powder = burns rapidly Black Powder = Low order explosive. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:33:40 AM EDT
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George Washington owned one. privately owned warships comprised the majority of the Continental fighting force at sea. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:34:45 AM EDT
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"All the terrible implements of the soldier" Kharn |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:35:41 AM EDT
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ROFL. He was a general and the highest ranking one at that. He was authorized by Congress. Be honest and get real. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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George Washington owned one. privately owned warships comprised the majority of the Continental fighting force at sea. Generals can own private property The Congressional authorization had to do with shooting shit legal like, not owning it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:39:25 AM EDT
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A double barrel shotgun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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wow, we're a million miles apart I think it's time for you to dig deep, find your principles, and start donating to Moms Demand Action instead of the NRA. Nothing you've said defends the use of AR15s, standard capacity mags, or civilian firearms training. buy a shotgun no one needs two barrels. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:42:51 AM EDT
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You don't need explosive breaching charges to hunt deer. If you do, you're not a very good hunter.
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:43:17 AM EDT
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Y'all are arguing about the wrong things.
What we should be discussing is how We The People are going to bring this out of control government to heel. But you all just keep shooting each other in the feet..... Nobody needs this.... Nobody needs that.... Nobody needs a government sticking its nose into our everyday lives. But, sadly, here we are. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:43:34 AM EDT
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Don't be a monster, no one needs two barrels.
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:44:11 AM EDT
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You don't need explosive breaching charges to hunt deer. If you do, you're not a very good hunter. Meat so tender.... mmmmmmmmmmmm |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:46:40 AM EDT
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Wow...with friends like these, who needs enemies!
Government agents just love the POWER that comes with them joining the Dark Side of the ruling class. As soon as they get a taste of what it’s like to have “authority” over others, they wallow in it, thrive on it, and demand that the power should only belong to them. How quickly they forget that the government is there to SERVE THE PEOPLE. Not the other way around. Now is when they come out and call my beliefs “cute” and “naive”. And then they will hide behind the courts to justify their small piece of the dictatorship. They always have a problem answering the question of “WHY was the second amendment written and included in the Bill of Rights”. (Itself a misnomer, as it should be called the “Bill of Government Limitation”, this would end some of the apparent confusion) For the record, I believe that any citizen should be able to own whatever they please, but if misused the punishment should fit the crime...quickly, and with few appeals. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:46:42 AM EDT
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You're aware, of course, that privateers and merchants with Letters of Marque (not Marquee lol) made up the VAST majority of our Revolutionary War fleet and captured thousands of enemy ships.. right? |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:47:06 AM EDT
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This is the correct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All armaments are considered arms under the 2A. |
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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:48:10 AM EDT
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One is none. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't be a monster, no one needs two barrels. I think civilians should only be allowed a machine that makes a really loud shotgun racking sound for self defense. To be reasonable, you can have two. |
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