88/66, whatever it takes.

Yep



Works for me.  




BTW, Disney has self cancelled their own shitty sequels in one 46min Mandolorian episode.

Canceling after a show ends signals that said show is good but the rest of the offerings are not.

It’s a very specific message and the only language that both sides understand, leading to the answer of “make more like it and distribute across the year”.

Jango was a foundling but as an adult he did shady stuff. The final straw was providing genetic material to build a army for the Jedi.

Where do you see the canceling?

Luke saved girls. Girl didn’t just get the sword because she didn’t earn it.

I don’t care about the girl power thing but KK did and shoved it up the fans’ collective asses.

This episode undid some of that because the gifts weren’t just given like in the sequels.

Hence the absolute spate of new SW content coming in the next couple years. Same for Marvel.

Ah ok I get it now. I’m so focused on shitcanning the latest trilogy I thought that’s what you were talking about.

I watched last night in the middle of the night and woke the wife unit up yelling Mother fn Luke Skywalker!  Yes Fuck You KK.  I admit I was a bit teary seeing that it was him who answered the call.  I know CGI, but damn that was amazing seeing that green light saber ripping through the corridors and owning all that stood in the way.  The episode and the season were great. The Madolorian has saved the franchise and Jon Favreau should be given the keys to what over comes next.

Canceling in today’s vernacular is what us old folks called marginalizing.


There are already discussion popping up on the net that the sequels are not cannon and don’t count. From the stars and the current crop of Disney insiders.  

Disney sees the errors they made because of the success of Mandolorian. I think the light came on last Christmas when baby Yoda toys were in demand but Disney wasn’t prepared to sell them.

Did anyone else notice the scene with Grogu and Luke was the first time they've used the Force Theme music during the whole series?  I got chills.



The look on Moff Gideon's face when he realized a Jedi was coming was... fucking awesome.

Luke even had a line about it.

"Talent without training is shit"

I'm still a little giddy, I initially felt Moff was too rigid in his bearing but it worked.  And even the verbage they used, about Grogu'a blood bringing order was just a tiny tease about Grogu'a blood being the foundation for the sith cloning.  And Luke's dig at Rey, spot on.  

I wouldn't say the Clones were built for the Jedi, rather for the Republic and more specifically for Papatine so he could use the against the Jedi.

Let's just say it's complicated.

Yes, Almec said Jango wasn't a Mandalorian.  Doesn't make it true.  Sort of like when GD says Trump was re-elected.  Doesn't make it true.

Maybe on legislative papers it would read that way but it was a Jedi that went to the closets and it was Jedi that generaled the clone army.

From mandalores perspective jango aided the enemy.

ETA: the use against the Jedi was super secret squirrel.

In the end, it's kind of a pointless discussion.

The winner is whoever the author/writer decides it is. If a Mandalorian fires off his Whistling Birds and downs a Jedi/Sith or two, it's because the story needed it to happen. He's either the hero, or the villain. If, on the other hand, the Jedi/Sith held up their hand and stopped all the little missiles with telekinesis, or turned them back against the Mandalorian, it's because that's what the writer wanted to happen.

Trying to get consistency out of dozens (hundreds?) of authors over a 40+ year time span isn't really possible. Lucas tried...for a long time everything had to be approved by Lucasfilm, or even by him personally. Eventually that devolved into "don't fuck up what George has already written and you're fine."

For the most part, though, the media portrays the Jedi/Sith as literally superhuman (superalien?). They can accomplish anything and everything with the Force, if they have the will. If they fail, it's because they needed to for the plot or character development journey. The hero or villain can block incoming blaster bolts from a dozen stormtroopers or droids or whatever, but the secondary characters die.

A perfect example is falling. Jedi/Sith can throw themselves out of moving aircraft, fall hundreds or thousands of feet, and land safely in a superhero pose. But when you need one of them to die, you toss them off a building. Maybe after cutting off a limb, but still...the glaring inconsistencies are deeply embedded.

The same thing happens in the philosophy. The Jedi are supposed to be peacekeepers, non-violent, etc. etc. etc., but they never fail to use violence to solve a problem. They're control freaks, and the instant they feel control slipping away, a lightsaber comes out, and the bodies hit the floor. Or, sometimes, that's the go-to-first. Look at Ahsoka in this season of the Mandalorian.

Did she have to run through the forest and literally murder a dozen troopers before approaching the gate to give her demands? Couldn't she, basically being an invincible ninja, have crept into the main compound, cut down the two guard droids as she dropped in, reflected a blaster bolt into Michael Biehn's face, and beat down the woman, all before anyone could have realized what had happened? It's happened before, many times in the shows. Sneak in, maybe have to fight out. Instead, she goes all judge, jury, and executioner on a bunch of flunkies first. That also happens a lot. So much for the ideals of the Jedi. More glaring inconsistencies.

But, back on the point we were discussing, Ahsoka was able to fight Vader almost to a standstill. She would have lost in the end (because everyone has to lose to Vader except Luke in the end...plot), and was saved by Ezra. She would also have gone through the Dark Troopers like they were paper-mache. She could have probably held her own against Luke for quite a while.

Din was about two steps and two seconds from being cut in two. He's alive because that's what the plot said. Had he been one of the faceless Mandalorian cohort that trained him (and that he was no better than), she would have cut down several in the space of that scene.

And that's the problem with arguing who would beat who in any genre of media. Bruce Lee vs Chuck Norris. Superman vs Batman. Din vs Ahsoka. Who does the plot say wins? Can you really make a compelling argument of any kind as to who, in our warped imaginations would win any given confrontation between fictional super-beings (Bruce and Chuck included)? Our favorite will win, because that's what our imagination wants to happen, and we'll always come up with some convoluted reason why.

The worse part about TCW is we knew who Palatine was. But there was no way around that.

Yeah that was my take as well.   And TCW proved that one can be a "dark side Force user" and not be an actual "Sith" - Ventriss was a good example.    Dooku fired her as an apprentice, but he failed to kill her.  So she was still running around doing Sith-like stuff with the dark side.... but she was no longer "in the club".

Same thing with Ahsoka on the light side.   No longer a "Jedi".

The Force is available to every living thing. The Jedi tried to monopolize it.

I love the show but,  NERDS

That's not really the "canon" interpretation. The Rule of Two literally means there are two, a Master and an Apprentice, and no more.

Rule of Two

But that only applies to the actual Sith, or the ones that call themselves that, anyway. There could be a thousand fallen Jedi, dark-side Force users, etc. running around, but only two "Sith." Dooku broke that rule when he took Ventress as his apprentice. The only reason it matters is because the strategy worked...the single Sith Lord worked his way up to the position of Emperor, and had an apprentice tagging along (Maul/Dooku/Vader). He brought balance to the Force by destroying the Jedi Order, so the numbers of light and dark side Force users suddenly became a lot more...equal.

But if the Sith HADN'T succeeded, the Rule of Two would have been essentially meaningless. Anyone who wanted to could have called themselves "Sith." I'd expect that at some point in the previous few thousand years, some fringe Force sensitive came across a Sith holocron and started styling themselves as "Sith," and taking an apprentice, at the same time the official "Sith" were somewhere else in the galaxy. Maybe several times.

It's just a title, and a self-taken one at that. Palpatine would have been equally as evil and effective without it.

This just popped up in my newsfeed.

Boba Fatt series is separate from Season 3.

Good news, looks like.

Good.

Good, though it does seem strange that they’re going to release both in 12/21.

I guess I missed that, what are you referring to?

"....strong with the force, but talent without training is nothing

Ahsoka wasn't a Jedi, she left the order.

"talent without training is useless"

The show is called "THE Mandalorian" not "Mandalorians". With the addition of Bo'Katan and
her crew and Boba Fett it could have easily went that way. Din needs his own show and
he should not to be overshadowed by more notable Mandos.

They might tie in together sequentially, like when Stargate Atlantis and SG1 were airing back to back.

He’s one to talk.
He had what? A couple of weeks training before he proclaimed himself a Jedi Knight?

Good point, that would be interesting.

True, but after all the Jedi were wiped out, you could argue she is more of a Jedi than Luke. She certainly had more training.

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Who is the more powerful Jedi, Mandalorian Ahsoka or Mandalorian Luke?

Depends on who's writing a particular episode.

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At that point in the timeline, I think Ahsoka would wipe the floor with Luke.

Based on what was shown?

Luke, by far.  Luke wasted like 20 some dark troopers without breaking a sweat. Ashoka needed Dins help to take out half a dozen low level thugs and had trouble beating a middle aged socker mom that was ruling her own little space HOA.

She is the only force user to do what she did to get the white kyber crystals.

I can accept that....

Fucking love it.

Ahsoka was trying to get information, not clear out a petty criminal den. That means the leader can't escape or die. Ahsoka ended her duel with the lady pretty quick once she decided to get serious and was very efficient with the guards in the forest.
They're probably pretty close at this point.

I’m still trying to get back into TCW so I can’t really comment on Ahsokas abilities beyond what I’ve seen so far.

Luke fought like his father. The hallway scene against the Dark Troopers IMHO was a direct play on Vader’s ass kicking scene from Rogue One. Like he’s been training with dads Force ghost since RotJ. So IDK.

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Paul Bateman’s screen name?

Finally got to watch the finale. Holy shit this is totally redeeming the frnachise. I'm in my 40's so grew up with it from the beginning so The Mandalorian has been a breath of fresh air from the KK assfuckery I've had to endure with the last trilogy.

p.s. i'm not crying YOUR'E CRYING.

Don’t know, but that’s outstanding news.

Typical Arfcom fashion.

On Friday I watched the last episode and re watched again this afternoon.

They hit it out of the park!

This season has been excellent but this one episode was ten times better than the last three movies.

Redemption for the franchise that has been a disaster except for the first three movies and Rebels.

I bought the subscription to Commie Disney+ so that my granddaughter could watch it when she visited us.  It is worth the subscription for the Mandalorian.

Hell fucking yeah.