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Posted: 12/6/2010 9:16:30 AM EDT
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Let's see. Adds about 5 more pounds to the rifle. Barrel doesn't get to cool at all during mag changes that would be normal with 20 and 30 round mags. Not a good idea. Wow, five pounds? You're saying that the magazine body weighs 4 pounds more than a standard 30-rounder's? I didn't see that, I agree it changes my opinion of the thing. I thought it would only be double the weight of a 30-round body, so maybe it'd add a pound total, when fully loaded. And you're right, barrel coolling during reloads is essential. I believe that's why the SEALs have transitioned to 5 round magazines. How much do you think 100 rounds of 5.56 weighs? i bet this setup weighs at least 15 pounds 
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Posted: 12/6/2010 9:27:04 AM EDT
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What about the 20 Beta-C Mags I have?
I guess I'll have to toss them. 
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Posted: 12/6/2010 9:44:09 AM EDT
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wee the Spectre lives LOL meh if they work well and are not completely retarded expensive Ill buy a couple EDIT yeah saw the price might buy a 60 if they can street price under $100 I doubt they will get that low. Maybe if you pick them up used. I've seen these beening talked about for some time. Glad someone is giving it a go. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 9:59:05 AM EDT
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1000 rounds bitches! 
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:05:34 AM EDT
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This thread just got uncomfortably ghey. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:14:33 AM EDT
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Running a train on gear pr0n... |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:16:57 AM EDT
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That is too much weight to add to the rifle. 30 rounds is enough; if you can't get the job done with thirty, you need to work on your marksmanship skills. 
Why the fuck anyone cares why one may want a higher capacity mag is beyond me. I guess we should go back to 10 rounders for handguns cause if you can't do it in 10 rounds, you need to work on your marksmanship. If you are a good law abiding citizen you should really only need 10, no err 5 rounds...wait... 1 round magazines for your weapons. Terrorists need high-cap mags to spray bullets everyone all over children! You're not a terrorist are you!? 
But seriously, the 60 rounder is a good idea if the price point were right. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:20:41 AM EDT
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Cool, but I never even use the 30rd mags I have. Still, I might get one for Armageddon.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:28:17 AM EDT
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I'm in for the 60 for sure!
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:33:17 AM EDT
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I really want the 60s but for $129
Until these drop to under $50, I'll stick with the 40-round Cproducts I got on sale for $10. When the pmag-40s come out I'll buy some of those for $20 This X1000 |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 10:37:05 AM EDT
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I'd like to see some reliability testing of these mags... that will be a major make or break point. A number of other attempts at larger-capacity magazines have failed due to reliability problems (like the older C-Mags). If these do work, though, it would be just the thing for several models of 5.56 LMG that can accept M16 mags.
Now I'm waiting to see someone make mag couplers for these.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 11:02:26 AM EDT
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PLUS 
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EQUALS TEH HOTTNESS 
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Posted: 12/6/2010 11:04:42 AM EDT
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THat's one sw33t banana clip, br0!
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Posted: 12/6/2010 11:06:47 AM EDT
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Who makes a Chest Rig for the 100 Rounders ah. 'Portable Ammo Fort'. Wise man. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 11:08:12 AM EDT
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This thing's for the new Colt IAR, isn't it?
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Posted: 12/6/2010 11:16:24 AM EDT
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no digital countdown timer? HAHA!! Now THAT needs to be done. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 12:38:10 PM EDT
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I think that most people in this thread are retarded and should retake reading comprehension. The article clearly states the mag was designed to be used initial contact in an ambush,where the first 30 seconds are the most critical, not to replace the standard 30 rounder in daily use. Maybe each guy will only carry 1 in the weapon to provide extra ammo during the initial contact. 4 seconds reloading in an ambush can be the difference between life and death. especially when the first 30 seconds are the most critical.
As far as the price, it seems clear that since civilians stateside dont really have to worry about getting ambushed by a bunch of hajis, they are not the target market. This mag seems to have been developed to fill a small niche, but yet unfilled need in the mil. Hate all you like, its not designed for the suburban commando. It has potential for 3 gun ETA: everyone knows the m4 is not a suppressive fire weapon. but when you get ambushed, you have to use what you have. Read the books on SOG by john plaster, he talked about how when they would make contact and get ambushed, they would dump mags on full autp as fast as they could slap them in. He talks about guns getting so hot the slings melted off. No, its not what they were meant for, but it was to throw the enemy off balance, the mad minute, everyone shooting as much lead downrange as possible, so the enemy would think they had engaged a bigger force and they would pause, giving the smaller recon team a window of time to run like hell away from contact. seriously folks, do a bit more research |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 12:51:29 PM EDT
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This thing's for the new Colt H&K IAR, isn't it? |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 12:53:11 PM EDT
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If they work and will come in Flat Dark Earth, I'll take a couple.
I see a lot of these being grabbed up for novelty too....but if this is the mag that Jim Sullivan, who designed the AR15 with Gene Stoner.......has been working om for several years, then it is going to work for those who want it. I think the 60 rounder would be nice for a break contact schenario and the 100 rounder for vehicle mount or the M231 style weapon......even though those guns are all probably out of the system now. Only hope is that Surefire will get enought out during initial production before any idiot in the new congress tries and bans them. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:03:57 PM EDT
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I think that most people in this thread are retarded and should retake reading comprehension. The article clearly states the mag was designed to be used initial contact in an ambush,where the first 30 seconds are the most critical, not to replace the standard 30 rounder in daily use. Maybe each guy will only carry 1 in the weapon to provide extra ammo during the initial contact. 4 seconds reloading in an ambush can be the difference between life and death. especially when the first 30 seconds are the most critical. As far as the price, it seems clear that since civilians stateside dont really have to worry about getting ambushed by a bunch of hajis, they are not the target market. This mag seems to have been developed to fill a small niche, but yet unfilled need in the mil. Hate all you like, its not designed for the suburban commando. It has potential for 3 gun ETA: everyone knows the m4 is not a suppressive fire weapon. but when you get ambushed, you have to use what you have. Read the books on SOG by john plaster, he talked about how when they would make contact and get ambushed, they would dump mags on full autp as fast as they could slap them in. He talks about guns getting so hot the slings melted off. No, its not what they were meant for, but it was to throw the enemy off balance, the mad minute, everyone shooting as much lead downrange as possible, so the enemy would think they had engaged a bigger force and they would pause, giving the smaller recon team a window of time to run like hell away from contact. seriously folks, do a bit more research I will bet that the Urban Commandos buy more than the actual commandos do. There was an attempt back in the bad old 1990's by an inventor who has designed what was alleged to be a reliable 50 round mag for the AR, it went nowhere because he could not get the funds to build it because of the "niche" market that existed without civilian purchasing. (So went the story, at least. I will take it at face value because there were similar stories in the firearms mags about MG development and advancements Post 1986, stagnant was the term frequently used.) The only thing driving this right now and the Mag Pul attempt at a similar magazine is the IAR. While they may talk about it as a use and ditch mag in an ambush situation, without the IAR or significant civilian sales I doubt this goes very far. If it does, then this will always be a high dollar item with limited deployment. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:18:12 PM EDT
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I think it will be a winner. I know more than a few people who will have to buy a few of the 100 and 60 just to have and a few more people who will buy them to re-sell after a new magazine ban.
And if Magpul releases their version, even more sales since people trust Magpul more. What would be the loaded weights of the 60 & 100 again? |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:19:02 PM EDT
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sadly anything over 31 rounds here is illegal IIRC
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:19:53 PM EDT
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That is too much weight to add to the rifle. 30 rounds is enough; if you can't get the job done with thirty, you need to work on your marksmanship skills. This and I have to wonder about the reliability. It looks good on paper but how does it really work. It looks like a failure waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:26:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: sadly anything over 31 rounds here is illegal IIRC Not true. You can own it, you can't put it in a rifle because that's manufacturing a MG in Ohio. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:48:06 PM EDT
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Wish they would develop those kind of mags for RPK-74. Well I know it ain't a mag. But these 77 round 5.45mm AK-74 drums just came out recently. http://www.copesdistributing.net/product_info.php?products_id=2993 |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:50:24 PM EDT
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Is this their solution for that new magazine-fed rifle they're trying to field to augment the SAW?
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:53:25 PM EDT
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The 60 rounder looks alright but ill pass on the 100 That hundred rounder looks like a giant curved erection on the bottom of the AR. We see what we look for. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:56:03 PM EDT
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Is this their solution for that new magazine-fed rifle they're trying to field to augment the SAW? I would say it is definitely barking up that tree. But I'd also wager it has been in development for awhile. The weapon you are thinking of is the H&K M27 IAR. USMC plans to initially buy 4,100. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 1:59:32 PM EDT
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I like the 60 rounder but doing the math does not work for me:
Surefire 60 rounder = 60 rounds = $130.00 GI 30 rnd mags (x13) = 390 rounds = $130.00 Ill stick with the GI mags, If they could drop the price down to say $30 I would be interested. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:04:00 PM EDT
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I'd be more enthused if Magpul releases one in polymer.
I womder how well these will load using stripper clips? I have to imagine a spoon will fit them, no? |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:09:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm waiting for the 800 round ocho-stack. http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/3954/sfhcm100m4.jpg I need a new keyboard now, thanks!!!  LOL and Coke do not go together...
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:12:30 PM EDT
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I'd rather have 10 Pmags.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:13:17 PM EDT
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The question is will these work with 5.45 x 39??
 I could totally go for some mag dumps with 5.45 in my AR upper.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:14:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Am I the only one here content with 20 round mags?????  I like them just fine. If 30's weren't so damn cheap it would be all I use. The Tactical Ninja crowd will buy these things like a fat girl going after chocolate. For every one that makes it into combat 5,000 will end up stuffed into some fat guy's closet. Surefire is counting on it. Better to defend their cubicle don'cha know. The break room is murder at lunchtime. Damn, more Coke on the keyboard! Stop it! |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:18:11 PM EDT
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That is too much weight to add to the rifle. 30 rounds is enough; if you can't get the job done with thirty, you need to work on your marksmanship skills. Don't know much about near ambush or break contact procedures, do you? To me this seems like a natural fit for the IAR concept and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they developed the mags with that system in mind. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Of course they did. There are a few mag makers trying to push their product to help the IAR and the 30rnd mag issue. I doubt the USMC will go with anything except the USGI 30rnder....since it's the only official mag out there and has a Program of Record. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:28:15 PM EDT
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Meh!
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Posted: 12/6/2010 2:36:22 PM EDT
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Looks cool to me.
Quads stacks rock. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:03:01 PM EDT
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I'd probably ruin one by cutting it down to 30-40 rds.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:14:31 PM EDT
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Cool idea, shitty price, IMO.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:14:59 PM EDT
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I've been running with coupled 30rd mags for several years now. This is like Christmas for me. It will be nice to finally have a balanced 60rd load on my weapon. Sign me up for a dozen 60's and a couple 100rd mags, please. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:22:32 PM EDT
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If they work, and at the right price point these would be great. I see the name Surefire which would suggest they will work but that name also suggests that the price point will be profoundly fucked.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:24:19 PM EDT
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I would figure they came from MW2 and BO players who wanted extended mags.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:26:36 PM EDT
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Hubba Hubba.
That is like looking at a huge pair of bare tits with half dollar nipples! |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:32:04 PM EDT
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not necessary
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Posted: 12/6/2010 3:33:12 PM EDT
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300 rounds. Thirty seconds. Hope you've got some well-insulated gloves for the support hand! and an extra gas tube and a gunsmith in your range bag. |
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Posted: 12/6/2010 4:20:37 PM EDT
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What the hell is up with all you whiners talking about them being banned? The AWB was over 6 years ago. We've had mags and drums capable of carrying more than 30rds for fucking decades. Please pull your heads out of their rectal helmets.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 4:23:48 PM EDT
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Maybe a 60 for the range, but Ill get a beta c if I want 100.
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Posted: 12/6/2010 4:23:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: wee the Spectre lives LOL meh if they work well and are not completely retarded expensive Ill buy a couple yeah saw the price might buy a 60 if they can street price under $100 Just about what I was thinking. Do you think they "Borrowed" the patent for it? As it is, how does it stack against the C-Mag? The C-Mag gets you lower to the ground, although you wouldn't want to drop it on anything harder than your foot. |
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Posted: 12/7/2010 3:32:59 AM EDT
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Maybe a 60 for the range, but Ill get a beta c if I want 100. Dont drop it. |
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Posted: 12/7/2010 3:59:49 AM EDT
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The 60 rounder looks alright but ill pass on the 100 That hundred rounder looks like a giant curved erection on the bottom of the AR. Well you just sold TRG on a couple......
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