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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:01:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on who shot first. If China does a pre-emptive strike then they're going to get some kind of retaliation in the form of dozens of Taiwanese missiles aimed at Three Gorges or possibly even US nuke missiles heading for the same place. But that messes up China's plan for annexing Taiwan and getting its hands on their high-tech industry, so that's not going to happen. If China retaliates for Taiwan hitting Three Gorges and turning the middle of their country into a floodplain then I don't see the US or anyone else nuking them back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really wonder if China actually has the balls to use nukes. They attacked Taiwan, and Taiwan is defending herself. China's the one who started the shit. So China lobs a nuke at Taiwan. What happens next? Depends on who shot first. If China does a pre-emptive strike then they're going to get some kind of retaliation in the form of dozens of Taiwanese missiles aimed at Three Gorges or possibly even US nuke missiles heading for the same place. But that messes up China's plan for annexing Taiwan and getting its hands on their high-tech industry, so that's not going to happen. If China retaliates for Taiwan hitting Three Gorges and turning the middle of their country into a floodplain then I don't see the US or anyone else nuking them back. There is a zero percent chance the US nukes China. No one in the US is dumb enough to trade hundreds of millions of American lives for Taiwan. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:05:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:07:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that damn bursts global supply chains are fubar for a long time. There is a shit ton of manufacturing downstream. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Three Gorges is considered Medium missile range from Taipei. The missiles would definitely reach. A salvo of numerous missiles targeting the dam would fuck China up in almost incomprehensible ways, unless they somehow managed to shoot everything down. Yep, this is a very shrewd, very credible deterrent strategy Taiwan. One that doesn't require nukes or even the destruction of the dam, just about 50 missiles aimed at the dam site. All it would take would be a single 1,000 kg warhead hit on the generator house or ship locks and the dam is out of commission. More than one hit on the dam itself would force them to start draining the lake before it busted. And I'm sure the Chinese know it. Three Gorges may be an engineering marvel but it's a massive strategic liability; the entire economy of China would collapse if the dam broke. And it just sits there, so the only recourse the Chinese have is to surround it with SAMs and ABMs and hope they are good enough to take out everything that comes their way. If that damn bursts global supply chains are fubar for a long time. There is a shit ton of manufacturing downstream. China should have never been allowed to become as powerful as its gotten with only a handful of business men and politicians profiting at the expense of their countrymen. Some temporary pain might keep this from happening again, at least for a few decades. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you think China will shrug off the likely deaths of millions of its citizens and flooding of one its most important industrial areas? Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:11:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Roughly 20 to 25 percent of China's population lives downstream from that dam. The flooding caused by a sudden dam break would be unprecedented in modern history. They're not going to bounce back from that very quickly. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: good |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:14:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Roughly 20 to 25 percent of China's population lives downstream from that dam. The flooding caused by a sudden dam break would be unprecedented in modern history. They're not going to bounce back from that very quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Roughly 20 to 25 percent of China's population lives downstream from that dam. The flooding caused by a sudden dam break would be unprecedented in modern history. They're not going to bounce back from that very quickly. You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you think China will shrug off the likely deaths of millions of its citizens and flooding of one its most important industrial areas? Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. Yes, in fact the government might welcome it. Communist governments have before. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:20:34 AM EDT
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Good for Taiwan.
However bang for the buck, they really need to focus on Next Gen Naval Mines for mining the Taiwan straight / South China Sea.  This would both thwart an invasion by sea, but also really cripple Chinas ability to import and export goods in that area. They need to develop both MLRS rocket launched mines, air deployed mines, and have their 'coast guard' and 'fishing fleet' equipped with mines they can deploy as soon as the balloon goes up. They also need to get a shit ton of MANPADS to deploy to their forces for waging a sort of irregular hit and run attacks against any Chinese paratrooper and helicopter deployments into the island. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does long range include China? 750 miles would be real useful. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:23:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny enough, Japan has self ready nuke kits that can be quickly assembled, but lack missiles...  hmmmmQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now put nukes on them hmmmmJapan has a space program. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:23:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you think China will shrug off the likely deaths of millions of its citizens and flooding of one its most important industrial areas? Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. 400M people downstream. 100,000 producing acres of farmland. The dam provides 10% of the overall power used in China, or about 22,500MW. So probably 100M dead, 300M more displaced with no income, drinking water, or anything else. Disease would crop up. Over 8% of China's workforce is employed in manufacturing, so that would be roughly 32M manufacturing jobs that cease all output. These aren't just numbers, contrary to how the graybars here seem to regard them. It would be the single most catastrophic disaster in human history and everyone would feel it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:24:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Definitely. But the damage done by collapsing the dam would be comparable to the damage done by a nuke, maybe more. So even if a volley of long-range missiles isn't guaranteed to successfully hit the dam, the possibility that it would is enough to be a deterrent against a Chinese invasion. And that's fundamentally what this is about. Taiwan is deterring an invasion by putting China in a position where an invasion is to roll the dice with losing the dam. Hopefully all of those missiles pointed at the dam are a dead man switch so to speak for Taiwan in the event they are invaded. Using a nuke on Taiwan will deny China their prize of conquering the island intact or in any economically useful condition. A pyrrhic victory. Not to mention the political shitstorm it would create. Kind of hard to "save face" from such an act. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:32:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you think China will shrug off the likely deaths of millions of its citizens and flooding of one its most important industrial areas? Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. well........that is the nature of MAD? Mutually assured destruction? A strong deterint. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:50:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully not. They might even put up a good fight, but China would crush them just based on the numbers they could send. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hopefully they get to kill chicoms one day. Hopefully not. They might even put up a good fight, but China would crush them just based on the numbers they could send. If I were Taiwan I'd be sinking my defense budget into diesel electric subs, anti aircraft missiles and long range bunker busters that can hit that big fucking dam. Sink whatever the PLAN tries to fly or float over and drown the commies back on the mainland. They can definitely make the juice not worth the squeeze. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:50:55 AM EDT
[#16]
Use them
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:52:19 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:53:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would probably get you a nuke Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Three Gorges is considered Medium missile range from Taipei. The missiles would definitely reach. A salvo of numerous missiles targeting the dam would fuck China up in almost incomprehensible ways, unless they somehow managed to shoot everything down. That would probably get you a nuke Taiwan would be fucked either way. May as well make it a Pyrrhic victory for the chicoms. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Three Gorges is considered Medium missile range from Taipei. The missiles would definitely reach. A salvo of numerous missiles targeting the dam would fuck China up in almost incomprehensible ways, unless they somehow managed to shoot everything down. Yep, this is a very shrewd, very credible deterrent strategy Taiwan. One that doesn't require nukes or even the destruction of the dam, just about 50 missiles aimed at the dam site. All it would take would be a single 1,000 kg warhead hit on the generator house or ship locks and the dam is out of commission. More than one hit on the dam itself would force them to start draining the lake before it busted. And I'm sure the Chinese know it. Three Gorges may be an engineering marvel but it's a massive strategic liability; the entire economy of China would collapse if the dam broke. And it just sits there, so the only recourse the Chinese have is to surround it with SAMs and ABMs and hope they are good enough to take out everything that comes their way. Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Yes, China’s economy would collapse and the loss of life would be incredible. Not just from the flooding but the aftermath. The rest of the world would gear up and replace the Chinese manufacturing capacity. There would be shortages of many items but it would be the opposite of the Great Depression. Everyone would be working. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 12:59:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taiwan would be fucked either way. May as well make it a Pyrrhic victory for the chicoms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Three Gorges is considered Medium missile range from Taipei. The missiles would definitely reach. A salvo of numerous missiles targeting the dam would fuck China up in almost incomprehensible ways, unless they somehow managed to shoot everything down. That would probably get you a nuke Taiwan would be fucked either way. May as well make it a Pyrrhic victory for the chicoms. There would be a certain satisfaction in taking the MFrs with you, so to speak. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:00:58 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lol, y'all think China's economy is going to collapse because of a dam? So many small minded people here, trying to flex into geo-politics. You dont think for a second that China hasnt already calculated the cost? Oh and one other thing: If China's economy collapses, the entire modern world will enter an economic depression the likes of which will make the 1930s seem like a mild inconvenience Three Gorges is the largest manmade dam in the entire world, and the lake it holds back is bigger than Lake Powell. Its collapse would be an unprecedented disaster that would take decades to recover from. A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. No they wouldn’t. They would need incredible amounts of international help to prevent millions from starving. They put all their eggs in one basket. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:01:41 AM EDT
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We should give them nukes.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:04:49 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Roughly 20 to 25 percent of China's population lives downstream from that dam. The flooding caused by a sudden dam break would be unprecedented in modern history. They're not going to bounce back from that very quickly. You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. You are the one unfamiliar. China moves and recovers incredibly slowly. They have done the least with the most throughout history. They should have been world leaders many times over. The only thing propelling them to potentially being the worlds largest economy is the greed of western businessmen pushing manufacturing to China for cost savings. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:06:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There would be a certain satisfaction in taking the MFrs with you, so to speak. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Three Gorges is considered Medium missile range from Taipei. The missiles would definitely reach. A salvo of numerous missiles targeting the dam would fuck China up in almost incomprehensible ways, unless they somehow managed to shoot everything down. That would probably get you a nuke Taiwan would be fucked either way. May as well make it a Pyrrhic victory for the chicoms. There would be a certain satisfaction in taking the MFrs with you, so to speak. Precisely. If I'm the PM of Taiwan I know my life is forfeit as soon as the first landing craft hits my shores. At that point I have absolutely no reason not to launch and make a lot of good commies out of them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:51:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are the one unfamiliar. China moves and recovers incredibly slowly. They have done the least with the most throughout history. They should have been world leaders many times over. The only thing propelling them to potentially being the worlds largest economy is the greed of western businessmen pushing manufacturing to China for cost savings. He is talking out his ass yet again. I have been to china multiple times, from Dalian to Guangzhou, and most places in between. Spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month each trip. Modern china is is the epitome of half ass. Sure they can turn out good stuff if you stay on their ass, and keep a close watch to make sure they don't steal you blind. Motherfuckers lie about everything even when they don't have to. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:52:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He is talking out his ass yet again. I have been to china multiple times, from Dalian to Guangzhou, and most places in between. Spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month each trip. Modern china is is the epitome of half ass. Sure they can turn out good stuff if you stay on their ass, and keep a close watch to make sure they don't steal you blind. Motherfuckers lie about everything even when they don't have to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are the one unfamiliar. China moves and recovers incredibly slowly. They have done the least with the most throughout history. They should have been world leaders many times over. The only thing propelling them to potentially being the worlds largest economy is the greed of western businessmen pushing manufacturing to China for cost savings. He is talking out his ass yet again. I have been to china multiple times, from Dalian to Guangzhou, and most places in between. Spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month each trip. Modern china is is the epitome of half ass. Sure they can turn out good stuff if you stay on their ass, and keep a close watch to make sure they don't steal you blind. Motherfuckers lie about everything even when they don't have to. Chabuduo They have a word for it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:55:27 AM EDT
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China just accelerated their time table.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 1:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. How much does the CCP pay you per word? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 2:05:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How much does the CCP pay you per word? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. How much does the CCP pay you per word? Wumao! |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 3:35:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long range? Like... Three Gorges Dam long range? I’ll tell you what.....that would be a hell of a kick to the nuts to China if they succeeded in hitting it. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:20:52 AM EDT
[#31]
 How To Launch Nuclear Missile |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:46:58 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Strikes against this with the intention of destroying it, along with acquisition of Nuclear weapons by Taiwan have been explicitly put out by the PRC as casus belli for strategic nuclear strikes against the Island. Just putting it out there, that the tough guy talk everyone is talking about has implications. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Long range? Like... Three Gorges Dam long range? Strikes against this with the intention of destroying it, along with acquisition of Nuclear weapons by Taiwan have been explicitly put out by the PRC as casus belli for strategic nuclear strikes against the Island. Just putting it out there, that the tough guy talk everyone is talking about has implications. I’m sure Taiwan is aware that China will try to destroy them in that case...... and they in turn would be ready to do the same to them |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:08:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are the one unfamiliar. China moves and recovers incredibly slowly. They have done the least with the most throughout history. They should have been world leaders many times over. The only thing propelling them to potentially being the worlds largest economy is the greed of western businessmen pushing manufacturing to China for cost savings. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Roughly 20 to 25 percent of China's population lives downstream from that dam. The flooding caused by a sudden dam break would be unprecedented in modern history. They're not going to bounce back from that very quickly. You are clearly unfamiliar with China's history. That is exactly what they will do. The population loss would be the least of their concerns. You are the one unfamiliar. China moves and recovers incredibly slowly. They have done the least with the most throughout history. They should have been world leaders many times over. The only thing propelling them to potentially being the worlds largest economy is the greed of western businessmen pushing manufacturing to China for cost savings. Are you serious? 20 years ago China was mostly third world. And you dont think it wont become highly political to rebuild as soon as possible? Do you even geopolitics? They were throwing massive pool parties in Wuhan 8 months after being the epicenter for a pandemic. China has been growing at an incredibly rapid rate since the 90s. Oh and you all need to stop thinking of China as only the world's manufacturing hub. They have quickly become one of the biggest consumer bases in thr world. Within the next ten years, they will pass the United States. They dont just make rubber dog toys anymore. They buy Apple products and foreign clothes. In fact, this substantial growth has been a huge driving factor in these companies growth. For a place that claims to hate China, no one here seems to understand them at even a basic level. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:22:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh they sure do. The phrase I seem to recall was "ratchet-ready". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Give Japan and South Korea 200 nukes each also. Also delivery capacity. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/japan-has-nuclear-bomb-basement-china-isnt-happy-n48976 Article says 6 months, other sources say less than a month. I've been told they could have nukes in less than a week. I'm willing to bet they have all the parts, plans, facilities, and man power chosen. It is Japan after all. Oh they sure do. The phrase I seem to recall was "ratchet-ready". For the Japanese, both missile and warhead would be a high school senior class science project. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:31:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: good |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe they will come to our rescue? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:50:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole point of taking over Taiwan is to preserve its infrastructure, manufacturing base, and educated populace for the ChiComs. Turning Taipei into a modern version of Hiroshima would not further that strategy. However, if the entire Yangtze valley was under several feet of water containing millions of corpses I don't think the ChiComs would care much about preserving Taiwan anymore. The problem for Taiwan is that via Hong Kong and the Uyghurs they’ve caught a glimpse of what awaits them if they’re subjugated. At that point a person needs to make a choice as to whether it really matters if they die in a nuclear initiation or a prison camp. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:52:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Strikes against this with the intention of destroying it, along with acquisition of Nuclear weapons by Taiwan have been explicitly put out by the PRC as casus belli for strategic nuclear strikes against the Island. Just putting it out there, that the tough guy talk everyone is talking about has implications. China initiating a nuclear first strike would in all probability get them dog-piled by other nuclear powers. Their talk regarding such is hollow. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:52:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So China lobs a nuke at Taiwan. What happens next? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really wonder if China actually has the balls to use nukes. They attacked Taiwan, and Taiwan is defending herself. China's the one who started the shit. So China lobs a nuke at Taiwan. What happens next? First, China would need a good reason. If they manage to cook one up and nuke Taiwan, the rest of the world still goes apeshit. The scale of universal condemnation will be huge. think of the outrage and the size of the collation that the invasion of Kuwait made, but larger, instead of oil, it’s the loss of TSMC, (the worlds largest manufacturer of semi conductors, everyone from the world gets chips from them) oh And it was NUKED. That’s worse than the gassing of the Kurds. At minimum, it’s the start of a world wide embargo on China, hell, I bet even North Korea will try to distance themselves from Beijing, the fallout will be that bad. This would lead to a collapse of the Chinese’s export based economy, perhaps even topple their government, but odds are they will go to war before that happens, oh and they already lobbed one nuke, odds are we’d get to know how good our ICBM defenses are. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:56:23 AM EDT
[#40]
They know that the USA does not have their back.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:42:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First, China would need a good reason. If they manage to cook one up and nuke Taiwan, the rest of the world still goes apeshit. The scale of universal condemnation will be huge. think of the outrage and the size of the collation that the invasion of Kuwait made, but larger, instead of oil, it’s the loss of TSMC, (the worlds largest manufacturer of semi conductors, everyone from the world gets chips from them) oh And it was NUKED. That’s worse than the gassing of the Kurds. At minimum, it’s the start of a world wide embargo on China, hell, I bet even North Korea will try to distance themselves from Beijing, the fallout will be that bad. This would lead to a collapse of the Chinese’s export based economy, perhaps even topple their government, but odds are they will go to war before that happens, oh and they already lobbed one nuke, odds are we’d get to know how good our ICBM defenses are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really wonder if China actually has the balls to use nukes. They attacked Taiwan, and Taiwan is defending herself. China's the one who started the shit. So China lobs a nuke at Taiwan. What happens next? First, China would need a good reason. If they manage to cook one up and nuke Taiwan, the rest of the world still goes apeshit. The scale of universal condemnation will be huge. think of the outrage and the size of the collation that the invasion of Kuwait made, but larger, instead of oil, it’s the loss of TSMC, (the worlds largest manufacturer of semi conductors, everyone from the world gets chips from them) oh And it was NUKED. That’s worse than the gassing of the Kurds. At minimum, it’s the start of a world wide embargo on China, hell, I bet even North Korea will try to distance themselves from Beijing, the fallout will be that bad. This would lead to a collapse of the Chinese’s export based economy, perhaps even topple their government, but odds are they will go to war before that happens, oh and they already lobbed one nuke, odds are we’d get to know how good our ICBM defenses are. I doubt the world would blink an eye. China is not being boycotted over COVID, China is not being confronted over their attempts to take over the Pacific, China was not Boycotted over Tibet, China is not being actively confronted over it's allowing the Norks to act like belligerent spoiled teenagers with a loaded shotgun. Besides, calling out the ChiComs is probably considered racist and an economically unsound idea. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:52:38 AM EDT
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 Attached FileOne thing to note is that China has something like 60,000 dams and other water control projects. You don't even need to blow up the big one that will be covered in all sorts of defenses should something break out. You can just take out the upstream stuff and let it it do a cascade failure. Also something like 70% of China's industrial capacity sits below 3 gorges. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:05:26 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt the world would blink an eye. China is not being boycotted over COVID, China is not being confronted over their attempts to take over the Pacific, China was not Boycotted over Tibet, China is not being actively confronted over it's allowing the Norks to act like belligerent spoiled teenagers with a loaded shotgun. Besides, calling out the ChiComs is probably considered racist and an economically unsound idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really wonder if China actually has the balls to use nukes. They attacked Taiwan, and Taiwan is defending herself. China's the one who started the shit. So China lobs a nuke at Taiwan. What happens next? First, China would need a good reason. If they manage to cook one up and nuke Taiwan, the rest of the world still goes apeshit. The scale of universal condemnation will be huge. think of the outrage and the size of the collation that the invasion of Kuwait made, but larger, instead of oil, it’s the loss of TSMC, (the worlds largest manufacturer of semi conductors, everyone from the world gets chips from them) oh And it was NUKED. That’s worse than the gassing of the Kurds. At minimum, it’s the start of a world wide embargo on China, hell, I bet even North Korea will try to distance themselves from Beijing, the fallout will be that bad. This would lead to a collapse of the Chinese’s export based economy, perhaps even topple their government, but odds are they will go to war before that happens, oh and they already lobbed one nuke, odds are we’d get to know how good our ICBM defenses are. I doubt the world would blink an eye. China is not being boycotted over COVID, China is not being confronted over their attempts to take over the Pacific, China was not Boycotted over Tibet, China is not being actively confronted over it's allowing the Norks to act like belligerent spoiled teenagers with a loaded shotgun. Besides, calling out the ChiComs is probably considered racist and an economically unsound idea. On top of this the few companies that did call out china were immediately boycotted by China (Nike and H&M). China intends to replace foreign manufacturers with domestic any non-Chinese company that is relying on china to grow it's bottom line is naive. Don't get me wrong a 3 gorges hit would cause serious issues but the rest of the world would recover, China would still be mucking out city streets 6 months later. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:11:00 AM EDT
[#44]
What makes people think Taiwan does not have nucellar capabilities? As technologically developed as the are, they may not have the ability yet to miniaturize it to sit atop a missile but I'd bet money that they along with the intercontental abilities in missile development they are just as close to developing a deliverable nucellar package. At this point anything to counter China's expansionism is beneficial.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:29:43 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/japan-has-nuclear-bomb-basement-china-isnt-happy-n48976 Article says 6 months, other sources say less than a month. I've been told they could have nukes in less than a week. I'm willing to bet they have all the parts, plans, facilities, and man power chosen. It is Japan after all. My understanding is that in an emergency Japan can have useable nuclear weapons in about two weeks. They have had that capability for close to 40 years. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:32:09 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a zero percent chance the US nukes China. No one in the US is dumb enough to trade hundreds of millions of American lives for Taiwan. They're kinda willing to do just that over a chunk of aluminum |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:32:45 AM EDT
[#47]
I keep saying... we need Pershing 4 yesterday.
Then make it so so you can’t throw a rock in Poland, Romania, Czechia, Taiwan, Japan, or South Korea without hitting one. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:45:25 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does long range include China? Lol I really hope so |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:47:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes people think Taiwan does not have nucellar capabilities? As technologically developed as the are, they may not have the ability yet to miniaturize it to sit atop a missile but I'd bet money that they along with the intercontental abilities in missile development they are just as close to developing a deliverable nucellar package. At this point anything to counter China's expansionism is beneficial. They have nuclear power and high tech industry so they have material and knowledge to do so. They are also on very good terms with Japan, who may let them borrow one of their warhead kits or at least give them technical assistance on how to make their own domestic copies. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:53:21 AM EDT
[#50]
I hope multiple batteries will have the 3GD as their primary target.
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