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Posted: 3/26/2021 2:56:55 PM EDT
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Taiwanese article about 3 Gorges Dam from last year
There is a video in the link that was produced by the Chinese themselves about the impact of a dam failure. They estimate that within 10 hours, most of Wuhan would be under 16 feet of water, and that it would “not easily subside”. And that’s the CCP public estimate. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 3:14:50 PM EDT
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I would hope that drowning hundreds of thousands of civilians (Chinese civilians are also victims of the CCP) would be a last gasp tactic.
China's aircraft look good on paper but in reality they are not so much, take out airbases near the coast and target aerial refueling tankers, air power becomes toothless. Mainland China is downwind of Taiwan, any nuke will have fallout coming back to land on them, rulers may not care but there would be repercussions. China also has other enemies that would love to see them draw down their forces to support a Taiwan invasion. Not saying they won't attack because it makes no sense but who knows, they are old and possibly in Joe Biden style decline. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 3:26:02 PM EDT
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China's military is a hot mess.
Yes, our Generals get their stars now by kissing politician rear end, but the CCP's Generals straight up purchase their stars through paid bribes. They don't encourage much in the way of free thinking and have a very poor NCO core. Their one child policy has created a bunch of spoiled only children man babies who pissed their pants in a slap fight with Indian army personnel not too long ago. Their jets can barely fly, Chinese jet engines are well known for being total piece of junk that will never stand up to a high operational tempo. Their Navy is clueless about carrier operations, they're learning as they go and learning poorly. For all the issues we can point out about our own military we are light years ahead of them at every level. China is a paper tiger, in a real fight we would force them into surrender in a matter of months at most. The average Chinese citizen is so self-serving they have almost zero sense of civic duty, which is why they do things like put harmful chemicals in baby formula they sell to their own people or cut corners building things that crumble in short order. They are a society with zero religion and instead of Gods to worship they've been worshipping corrupt CCP politicians who are not exactly good examples of civic duty. A little bit of discomfort and promises of a better lot in life and they'd be all too happy to wave a white flag. We'd crush China in a military engagement. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 3:29:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole point of taking over Taiwan is to preserve its infrastructure, manufacturing base, and educated populace for the ChiComs. Turning Taipei into a modern version of Hiroshima would not further that strategy. However, if the entire Yangtze valley was under several feet of water containing millions of corpses I don't think the ChiComs would care much about preserving Taiwan anymore. Not, its not. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:10:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not, its not. Right, lots of people don't understand the history behind why China has such a hard-on for Taiwan, and why it's such a nationalistic/ideological black eye for Taiwan to be existing as a successful prosperous independent nation outside of Chinese control. Of course the control over industry is a big prize too. And I'm sure the Chinese do factor in the possibility of ruining that economic crown jewel into their plans and decisions, hence why one of Taiwan's deterrent strategies is to be able to obliterate their own computer chip industry if China invades. (It's sort of like designing a bank vault with gasoline and thermite to incinerate all the cash inside if someone tries to break in.) But that's not the real reason China wants Taiwan. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:16:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Taiwanese article about 3 Gorges Dam from last year There is a video in the link that was produced by the Chinese themselves about the impact of a dam failure. They estimate that within 10 hours, most of Wuhan would be under 16 feet of water, and that it would “not easily subside”. And that’s the CCP public estimate.  IIRC the CCP have basically said, touch the dam, you get a nuclear response. They really don't need to be messing with taiwan, because I suspect the taiwanese view the CCP invading as an effective end of existence threat. I wouldn't put it past japan to whip up a nuclear warhead or 10 and hand it to taiwan if things get more imminent and tense. Blasting three gorges would be a humanity wide history altering event, regardless of the legit hate the CCP deserves. Dumb-ass gongfei need to stop being so precipitous and ignorant before they get screwed and the chinese people decide it's time to go destroy TPTB again. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:18:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right, lots of people don't understand the history behind why China has such a hard-on for Taiwan, and why it's such a nationalistic/ideological black eye for Taiwan to be existing as a successful prosperous independent nation outside of Chinese control. Of course the control over industry is a big prize too. And I'm sure the Chinese do factor in the possibility of ruining that economic crown jewel into their plans and decisions, hence why one of Taiwan's deterrent strategies is to be able to obliterate their own computer chip industry if China invades. (It's sort of like designing a bank vault with gasoline and thermite to incinerate all the cash inside if someone tries to break in.) But that's not the real reason China wants Taiwan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not, its not. Right, lots of people don't understand the history behind why China has such a hard-on for Taiwan, and why it's such a nationalistic/ideological black eye for Taiwan to be existing as a successful prosperous independent nation outside of Chinese control. Of course the control over industry is a big prize too. And I'm sure the Chinese do factor in the possibility of ruining that economic crown jewel into their plans and decisions, hence why one of Taiwan's deterrent strategies is to be able to obliterate their own computer chip industry if China invades. (It's sort of like designing a bank vault with gasoline and thermite to incinerate all the cash inside if someone tries to break in.) But that's not the real reason China wants Taiwan. Do you think it's just the CCP's childish butt-hurt over taiwan sitting there showing people you can be meaningfully chinese *without* being a commietard? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think it's just the CCP's childish butt-hurt over taiwan sitting there showing people you can be meaningfully chinese *without* being a commietard? Yup, that's not the whole story but it's definitely part of it. Taiwan demonstrates what the people of mainland China could have under a democratic system with a capitalist economy and freedom of speech. But it's also a cultural face-saving thing. The formation of modern Taiwan goes back to the Chinese civil war when the communists mostly defeated the nationalists and the nationalists retreated to Taiwan. The communists didn't bother pursuing them to finish them off at the time and they developed into a prosperous first world country while China went through all the things communist societies tend to go through. China considers Taiwan to be historically their territory and their people, hence why Taiwan's continued existence is such an insult to Chinese nationalism. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:50:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth.  if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 5:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They know that the USA does not have their back. LOL Everybody knows our nuclear umbrella covers USA and no place else. We are not going to fire even one nuke to protect any of our allies. In Far-East, Rep. of Korea, Japan and Taiwan all know this so they have their own plans to assemble few nukes within days and more within weeks and months. Everybody knows MAD policy works so they all have their own MAD policy towards China. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth. if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? From the article linked above " It is estimated that when the floodwaters arrive in Wuhan they will be 7 m in height. Although some urban areas of the city on high ground will be spared, other parts will be submerged under 5 m of floodwaters. Due to the narrow width of the Yangtze River channel in Wuhan, it is predicted the flood will be slow to leave the city, and pools of water that have formed will not easily subside." And that's just in Wuhan which is a major high tech manufacturing hub for China and it's got 10 Million people in it. The only thing that might save lives is the time it takes flood waters to reach the city. 15 feet of water rushing through your manufacturing facility will shut it down for months if not a year or more. On a scale like this I guarantee there are supply chain issues that will snowball and stretch out time to rebuild those factories to years. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:16:07 PM EDT
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China's military flew a pretty decent sized response.
 Four H-6K bombers, 10 J-16 multirole fighters, two J-10 fighters, two Y-8Q/KQ-200 ASW, one Y-8 recon, and a KJ-500 AWACS. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:22:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They know that the USA does not have their back. I fully expect that when the balloon goes up Kamala orders a few CBGs in and orders Taiwan flattened. I also expect that this event will involve some of the worst aiming and most failure prone equipment the US military has ever had. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:26:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes people think Taiwan does not have nucellar capabilities? As technologically developed as the are, they may not have the ability yet to miniaturize it to sit atop a missile but I'd bet money that they along with the intercontental abilities in missile development they are just as close to developing a deliverable nucellar package. At this point anything to counter China's expansionism is beneficial. A friend of mine wrote a near-future sci-fi short story where Chyna was busy with an invasion, and had pulled a rabbit out of their hat in the form of lasers good enough to kill F35s (the point of the story was what kills air power for good). On the flip side Taiwan had their own rabbit: shallow water nuclear mines. Ships don't like the ocean suddenly going boom around them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:28:49 PM EDT
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They should target that huge damn and really fuck shit up.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:29:29 PM EDT
[#16]
Are they getting the parts from China?
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't need to be accurate, minute of anywhere across the South China Sea and geographically due north is fine for this application. No shit, just buy a few thousand surplus SCUDS, point them West, and fire away. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the article linked above " It is estimated that when the floodwaters arrive in Wuhan they will be 7 m in height. Although some urban areas of the city on high ground will be spared, other parts will be submerged under 5 m of floodwaters. Due to the narrow width of the Yangtze River channel in Wuhan, it is predicted the flood will be slow to leave the city, and pools of water that have formed will not easily subside." And that's just in Wuhan which is a major high tech manufacturing hub for China and it's got 10 Million people in it. The only thing that might save lives is the time it takes flood waters to reach the city. 15 feet of water rushing through your manufacturing facility will shut it down for months if not a year or more. On a scale like this I guarantee there are supply chain issues that will snowball and stretch out time to rebuild those factories to years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth. if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? From the article linked above " It is estimated that when the floodwaters arrive in Wuhan they will be 7 m in height. Although some urban areas of the city on high ground will be spared, other parts will be submerged under 5 m of floodwaters. Due to the narrow width of the Yangtze River channel in Wuhan, it is predicted the flood will be slow to leave the city, and pools of water that have formed will not easily subside." And that's just in Wuhan which is a major high tech manufacturing hub for China and it's got 10 Million people in it. The only thing that might save lives is the time it takes flood waters to reach the city. 15 feet of water rushing through your manufacturing facility will shut it down for months if not a year or more. On a scale like this I guarantee there are supply chain issues that will snowball and stretch out time to rebuild those factories to years. 10 million isnt even a drop in the bucket of China's population. Its basically that water that splashes up when a drop of water hits the rest. Meanwhile, China will be launching an invasion into Taiwan. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? What was the scale of the two atom bombs dropped on Japan in terms of land mass? If it saves one Taiwanese life or American life, it’s worth it. Japan taught us that terrorizing the civilian population is an efficient means of ending conflicts. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/japan-has-nuclear-bomb-basement-china-isnt-happy-n48976 Article says 6 months, other sources say less than a month. I've been told they could have nukes in less than a week. I'm willing to bet they have all the parts, plans, facilities, and man power chosen. It is Japan after all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Give Japan and South Korea 200 nukes each also. Also delivery capacity. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/japan-has-nuclear-bomb-basement-china-isnt-happy-n48976 Article says 6 months, other sources say less than a month. I've been told they could have nukes in less than a week. I'm willing to bet they have all the parts, plans, facilities, and man power chosen. It is Japan after all. ^ Add in, they probably assembled and taken apart said apparatus for practice. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China's military flew a pretty decent sized response. https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1616776833608-march26.jpeg?quality=60 Four H-6K bombers, 10 J-16 multirole fighters, two J-10 fighters, two Y-8Q/KQ-200 ASW, one Y-8 recon, and a KJ-500 AWACS. Just to be clear. This was the response from Chynah on the news that Taiwan was mass producing LRM’s? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could they design one to make it to DC? Just wondering. I really hate to admit this, but I LOL'd at the thought of millions of my countrymen vaporized at the hands of the CCP if only they were all Leftists. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:55:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese are probably going nuts. 1. Trump tariffs are costing them billions 2. Covid shrinks their exports 3. Food imports rising 4. Worldwide shipping container shortage shrinks exports 5. Suez ship blocks exports (for a couple of weeks?) 6. Taiwan builds missiles Good Lord, whatever gives them discomfort is alright with me. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:01:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good idea. They need to field enough accurate missiles with the range to reach the Chinese mainland as to make any attempt by China to conquer Taiwan not worth the cost. Honestly, now that we have pulled out of the INF Treaty, we need to develop something like a conventional Pershing II theater ballistic missile and bring back the GLCM to compliment it. If China starts acting uppity, then deploy shitloads of these road mobile systems into every country in the western Pacific within 1100-1500 miles of the Chinese coast. If China wants to live by the theater ballistic missile, then let the son of a bitches die by the theater ballistic missile. It is also much less expensive to build transporter erector launchers for TBM's and GLCM's than it is to build ships that can carry such weapons. It is also easier to hide them. Mother of GOD, did we just become best friends? I THINK SO!!!?? |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:03:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Something they should have been doing for years.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:03:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good, I hope they can put some Teller Ullam warheads (or at least inspired versions) on them. F CCP  Son, I like the way you think... I'll be watching you. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:11:45 PM EDT
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I hope it won’t come to needing to use them, but there are worse ways of going out than the Death Blossom.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:14:48 PM EDT
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Japan can and will produce whatever is needed, Jeitai will come to the aid of allies and Taiwan is an important point.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:16:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:17:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is talking out his ass yet again. I have been to china multiple times, from Dalian to Guangzhou, and most places in between. Spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month each trip. Modern china is is the epitome of half ass. Sure they can turn out good stuff if you stay on their ass, and keep a close watch to make sure they don't steal you blind. Motherfuckers lie about everything even when they don't have to. I think I speak for a lot of GDers that I would VERY MUCH like to see what you have to say about the Chinese and your experience with them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. Lol, a half billion casualties, and the destruction of probably 60% of their manufacturing base would fuck them up bad. Not to mention the damage to their agricultural areas in that valley. The flooding they have had in recent months has caused more issues for them than covid has. Their food production has fallen off tremendously, and the supply chain issues from the flooding has been felt here as well. When that dam filled up, it affected the rotation of the earth. if the dam just poofed away you think 500 million people would die and it would take 50% of the manufacturing base with it? what do you guys smoke? its not like its going to flood an area thats 50% the size of the CONUS. do people really have no sense of scale? reality: a few million deaths, maybe up to 10 depending how bad the response is. close 3-5% max of china's manufacturing capacity. inconvenience travel and trade routes in the area for a few months or is this one of those intentional troll things like the fukishima radiation will poison all fresh water on the earth within a few months? The sober estimates I have seen are 100-250 million possible deaths, and the floodplane contains a huge part of CCPland's manufacturing, farming, and military core. Look @ the pic I posted up the thread. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:32:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I speak for a lot of GDers that I would VERY MUCH like to see what you have to say about the Chinese and your experience with them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He is talking out his ass yet again. I have been to china multiple times, from Dalian to Guangzhou, and most places in between. Spending anywhere from 2 weeks to a month each trip. Modern china is is the epitome of half ass. Sure they can turn out good stuff if you stay on their ass, and keep a close watch to make sure they don't steal you blind. Motherfuckers lie about everything even when they don't have to. I think I speak for a lot of GDers that I would VERY MUCH like to see what you have to say about the Chinese and your experience with them. Lying about everything is a natural outgrowth of being a no-trust society. You say nothing whenever you can, and if you have to talk, you deceive or lie to cover your butt. That's how the game works in places where you can't trust anyone, everything is a snitch, and power is exercised arbitrarily. What I read that touches on that topic from people in the USSR is quite similar. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:53:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they getting the parts from China? In actuality, this isn't far from the truth. They are very politically opposed but linked economically - especially regarding all high-tech manufacturing. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The communists didn't bother pursuing them to finish them off at the time They didn't have the capacity to pursue them. If they had, they would have. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:07:22 PM EDT
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I am sure blowing up the Three Gorge Dam and kill half a million civilians, would make Taiwan very popular and no one will ever demand anything like nuking Taiwan.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:24:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sure blowing up the Three Gorge Dam and kill half a million civilians, would make Taiwan very popular and no one will ever demand anything like nuking Taiwan. That's why it's a deterrent, if china wants to attack taiwan they'll win, but at what cost? It's no different than MAD with nukes. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:28:18 PM EDT
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Taiwan is the strategic pivot between the free countries of the American led Asia-Pacific and China.
Taiwan acts as a stopper in the bottle, preventing the broader Chinese Navy from easily debouching out of seas near the Asian mainland. Even if there were not the history of the civil war and the embarrassing demonstration of the capabilities of a free people versus Communist subjects, Chiba would still demand possession of Taiwan in their shriller voices. The Communist trouble, then, is that Taiwan can only be conquered either by invitation or by seaborne invasion. In letting their mask slip and showing their hostility too soon, while they were too weak, the CCP has thrown away the possibility of invitation, and is now only left with seaborne invasion. The more certain everyone is that a Chinese fleet will only be destroyed in an attempt to cross the Straits and make a landing, the more war is averted. As certainty decreases, war becomes closer to reality. USINDOPACOM publicly states six years to war. Heavy presence of allied advanced offensive missile systems and the political willpower to use them offer a potential return to deterrence. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lying about everything is a natural outgrowth of being a no-trust society. You say nothing whenever you can, and if you have to talk, you deceive or lie to cover your butt. That's how the game works in places where you can't trust anyone, everything is a snitch, and power is exercised arbitrarily. What I read that touches on that topic from people in the USSR is quite similar. A couple of the older ADVChina videos on piracy and overall lack of honesty are really good. It’s simply expected to cheat,connive and do the absolute bare minimum because that’s how everyone else operates. There was a test on trustworthiness a university did in a bunch of countries and it turned out that pretty much 3/4 of Chinese cheated,the only people more dishonest were Turks. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sure blowing up the Three Gorge Dam and kill half a million civilians, would make Taiwan very popular and no one will ever demand anything like nuking Taiwan. Taiwan would probably do this to prevent massive casualties among its own citizens. Taiwan may be one of the few nations that actually wouldn’t be demonized for it, though some countries would still bitch. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, that's not the whole story but it's definitely part of it. Taiwan demonstrates what the people of mainland China could have under a democratic system with a capitalist economy and freedom of speech. But it's also a cultural face-saving thing. The formation of modern Taiwan goes back to the Chinese civil war when the communists mostly defeated the nationalists and the nationalists retreated to Taiwan. The communists didn't bother pursuing them to finish them off at the time and they developed into a prosperous first world country while China went through all the things communist societies tend to go through. China considers Taiwan to be historically their territory and their people, hence why Taiwan's continued existence is such an insult to Chinese nationalism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you think it's just the CCP's childish butt-hurt over taiwan sitting there showing people you can be meaningfully chinese *without* being a commietard? Yup, that's not the whole story but it's definitely part of it. Taiwan demonstrates what the people of mainland China could have under a democratic system with a capitalist economy and freedom of speech. But it's also a cultural face-saving thing. The formation of modern Taiwan goes back to the Chinese civil war when the communists mostly defeated the nationalists and the nationalists retreated to Taiwan. The communists didn't bother pursuing them to finish them off at the time and they developed into a prosperous first world country while China went through all the things communist societies tend to go through. China considers Taiwan to be historically their territory and their people, hence why Taiwan's continued existence is such an insult to Chinese nationalism. The commies claim Taiwan to be theirs, but it was never theirs in the first place. Look that shit up. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And knowing the Japanese, it will have some cool name like "Flaming Godzilla". |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 10:46:03 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you serious? 20 years ago China was mostly third world. And you dont think it wont become highly political to rebuild as soon as possible? Do you even geopolitics? They were throwing massive pool parties in Wuhan 8 months after being the epicenter for a pandemic. China has been growing at an incredibly rapid rate since the 90s. Oh and you all need to stop thinking of China as only the world's manufacturing hub. They have quickly become one of the biggest consumer bases in thr world. Within the next ten years, they will pass the United States. They dont just make rubber dog toys anymore. They buy Apple products and foreign clothes. In fact, this substantial growth has been a huge driving factor in these companies growth. For a place that claims to hate China, no one here seems to understand them at even a basic level. I only know what I see as a consumer. But Chinese attempts a English language brand names are a joke. As are their marketing strategies. Look at ads for cheap binoculars on Amazon. One of the "uses" they advertise is "beauty", compete with pictures of bikini-clad girls on the beach. The obvious implication is that they are attempting to market to creepers. Maybe in their culture it's perfectly acceptable to spy on girls on the beach with binoculars. But they apparently don't realize it's taboo over here. That's just one example of how little they understand us, to go along with any assumptions we might make about them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:00:33 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A couple of the older ADVChina videos on piracy and overall lack of honesty are really good. It’s simply expected to cheat,connive and do the absolute bare minimum because that’s how everyone else operates. There was a test on trustworthiness a university did in a bunch of countries and it turned out that pretty much 3/4 of Chinese cheated,the only people more dishonest were Turks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lying about everything is a natural outgrowth of being a no-trust society. You say nothing whenever you can, and if you have to talk, you deceive or lie to cover your butt. That's how the game works in places where you can't trust anyone, everything is a snitch, and power is exercised arbitrarily. What I read that touches on that topic from people in the USSR is quite similar. A couple of the older ADVChina videos on piracy and overall lack of honesty are really good. It’s simply expected to cheat,connive and do the absolute bare minimum because that’s how everyone else operates. There was a test on trustworthiness a university did in a bunch of countries and it turned out that pretty much 3/4 of Chinese cheated,the only people more dishonest were Turks. @outofbattery https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-no-trust-society/ Same topic, except from the eastern european experience. Another: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-end-of-a-trusting-society/ When I was in Budapest earlier this year, hanging out with reader Anna, she told me that one of the greatest challenges of post-communist life in Hungary is that communism all but destroyed the ability of people to trust each other. You never knew who might be an informant — and one little mistake could cost you everything. Cultivating suspicion of everybody was a survival strategy, and not something easily unlearned. Today, flying back from New York, I ran into someone in the Charlotte airport, a Christian pastor I’d met at an event last year. We spent about an hour talking about the rancor and distrust in our country. He’s involved in reconciliation ministry, which is to say, bringing people together across boundaries of distrust, and teaching them how to talk to each other. I mentioned to him that I’d have conversations over the past few months with friends who broadly share my worldview and demographic characteristics (white, conservative, Christian, middle-aged), and I was surprised by how many of them say that they have deliberately chosen to socialize only with people like themselves. It’s not at all because they don’t want to talk to anybody who disagrees. It’s because they are afraid. Afraid of what? They’re afraid that if they say something that offends a liberal, there will be hell to pay. Whether it was something genuinely offensive that they said thoughtlessly, and are willing to apologize for, or whether it was something harmless that nevertheless caused offense to the liberal, they are afraid that they will be condemned as a hater. I'll grant you GD snarks at this; but when it's your job and you have kids, the equation is pretty miserable. I'm just beginning to wrap my head around what the necessary consequences are of a low or no trust society, but they are vast and monstrous. It's apparently so bad in CCP land that you can literally kidnap a kid on a crowded public street in broad daylight in front of everyone and people refuse to get involved - it might be dangerous. Whole video is on the topic but the most pertinent parts start around 5 min:  Mainland China''s worst Societal Problem! This is where the woke-left is pushing us. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:20:17 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. They import most of their energy, and industrial goods. Iron ore is their their largest import after oil and computer chips. They couldn't pull shit out of Afghanistan if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of Africa if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of the ME if we left. You're an idiot if you think they just have enough steel laying around rebuild even 10% of China. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:37:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They import most of their energy, and industrial goods. Iron ore is their their largest import after oil and computer chips. They couldn't pull shit out of Afghanistan if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of Africa if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of the ME if we left. You're an idiot if you think they just have enough steel laying around rebuild even 10% of China. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A few years, maybe. Decades? Naw. They'd have unlimited resources and manpower to rebuild. They import most of their energy, and industrial goods. Iron ore is their their largest import after oil and computer chips. They couldn't pull shit out of Afghanistan if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of Africa if we left, they couldn't pull shit out of the ME if we left. You're an idiot if you think they just have enough steel laying around rebuild even 10% of China. Plus they have to deal with the geographical problems of china. It's not like the place is easy to move around. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 12:21:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @outofbattery https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-no-trust-society/ Same topic, except from the eastern european experience. Another: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-end-of-a-trusting-society/ When I was in Budapest earlier this year, hanging out with reader Anna, she told me that one of the greatest challenges of post-communist life in Hungary is that communism all but destroyed the ability of people to trust each other. You never knew who might be an informant — and one little mistake could cost you everything. Cultivating suspicion of everybody was a survival strategy, and not something easily unlearned. Today, flying back from New York, I ran into someone in the Charlotte airport, a Christian pastor I’d met at an event last year. We spent about an hour talking about the rancor and distrust in our country. He’s involved in reconciliation ministry, which is to say, bringing people together across boundaries of distrust, and teaching them how to talk to each other. I mentioned to him that I’d have conversations over the past few months with friends who broadly share my worldview and demographic characteristics (white, conservative, Christian, middle-aged), and I was surprised by how many of them say that they have deliberately chosen to socialize only with people like themselves. It’s not at all because they don’t want to talk to anybody who disagrees. It’s because they are afraid. Afraid of what? They’re afraid that if they say something that offends a liberal, there will be hell to pay. Whether it was something genuinely offensive that they said thoughtlessly, and are willing to apologize for, or whether it was something harmless that nevertheless caused offense to the liberal, they are afraid that they will be condemned as a hater. I'll grant you GD snarks at this; but when it's your job and you have kids, the equation is pretty miserable. I'm just beginning to wrap my head around what the necessary consequences are of a low or no trust society, but they are vast and monstrous. It's apparently so bad in CCP land that you can literally kidnap a kid on a crowded public street in broad daylight in front of everyone and people refuse to get involved - it might be dangerous. Whole video is on the topic but the most pertinent parts start around 5 min:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz42BrlkBD8This is where the woke-left is pushing us. One of the reasons we were able to recover so well,relatively speaking,is having trust in government and fellow citizens. This is rather exceptional but it has allowed for many things such as trusting that austerity measures were correct,that e-governance is a good idea and so forth,I will certainly include maintaining an armed militia as part of that. Culturally there is a massive,massive difference between us and ethnic Russian citizens in this regard. I think the main difference is that while of course there were true believer Communist traitors,for the most part it was a case of being occupied by outsiders so a rather different scenario compared to Hungary,Romania,Bulgaria,Poland or especially East Germany meaning no local version of the Stasi or Securitate. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 12:25:26 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus they have to deal with the geographical problems of china. It's not like the place is easy to move around. And let's not forget that they are deep in late stage Communism. The flashing neon sign of that being those empty cities. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 12:36:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: already done. expect a dustup before next summer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Be a shame if India were to hook them up with some nukes expect a dustup before next summer. Dust up to what extent? How bad? |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 12:43:27 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 million isnt even a drop in the bucket of China's population. Its basically that water that splashes up when a drop of water hits the rest. Meanwhile, China will be launching an invasion into Taiwan. That is just one city, champ. If the dam were to be blown, a half billion people would be casualties of one form or another. It would fuck up half their manufacturing base, and about the same amount of their agricultural base. The flooding over the last few months has fucked up their agricultural production. The bullshit you spew is pretty ignorant, but has been kind of entertaining. Pool parties, lol. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 12:46:13 AM EDT
[#50]
So what is the US position if China invades Taiwan? Not our problem?
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