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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:38:43 AM EDT
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Read what I've written again. You seem to be struggling. No, I'm good. I'm not the one buying into the AQ propaganda, here. Yeah...they complain about Gitmo. Same way they complain about our support of Israel and any number of other bullshit complaints they've got. We have an administration which has pandered to their primitive ass even to the point of fucking over allies and telling Israel to go fuck itself and yet they still keep finding reasons to kill people and blow shit up. It's almost as if they're violent nutters who insist on absolute power or something. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:39:22 AM EDT
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What I'm saying is that they should have been disposed of after interrogation. They no longer have any value to the US, and have become a liability. ...because liquidating the Gitmo prisoners wholesale wouldn't have pissed anybody off, right? 
Obama's team deliberately shifted tactics from trying to capture bad guys to pump them for intel to blowing them to kingdom come. End result? Terrorists using drone strikes as a propaganda tool, too. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:40:30 AM EDT
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............... What I'm saying is that they should have been disposed of after interrogation. They no longer have any value to the US, and have become a liability. First off I am not military and although I agree that just killing them might have been the best answer, I can't say I am right in any way shape or form. Now, since we didn't kill them, what would you do with them? I wouldn't hand them back to the Middle East region. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:40:37 AM EDT
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That's going to be "Staff Sergeant" Deserter soon. 
http://weaselzippers.us/188003-army-to-promote-suspected-deserter-bowe-bergdahl-to-staff-sergeant/ http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Screen-shot-2014-06-02-at-9.08.27-AM-550x324.png Fucking horseshit! |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:40:56 AM EDT
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No, I'm good. I'm not the one buying into the AQ propaganda, here. Yeah...they complain about Gitmo. Same way they complain about our support of Israel and any number of other bullshit complaints they've got. We have an administration which has pandered to their primitive ass even to the point of fucking over allies and telling Israel to go fuck itself and yet they still keep finding reasons to kill people and blow shit up. It's almost as if they're violent nutters who insist on absolute power or something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read what I've written again. You seem to be struggling. No, I'm good. I'm not the one buying into the AQ propaganda, here. Yeah...they complain about Gitmo. Same way they complain about our support of Israel and any number of other bullshit complaints they've got. We have an administration which has pandered to their primitive ass even to the point of fucking over allies and telling Israel to go fuck itself and yet they still keep finding reasons to kill people and blow shit up. It's almost as if they're violent nutters who insist on absolute power or something. So because the radicals hate you, you're willing to help them recruit new radicals for no good reason? That's some brilliant logic. 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:41:45 AM EDT
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Fucking horseshit! It's been decided at the highest levels that this guy is going to be a hero, apparently. BOHICA. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:44:09 AM EDT
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...because liquidating the Gitmo prisoners wholesale wouldn't have pissed anybody off, right?
Obama's team deliberately shifted tactics from trying to capture bad guys to pump them for intel to blowing them to kingdom come. End result? Terrorists using drone strikes as a propaganda tool, too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What I'm saying is that they should have been disposed of after interrogation. They no longer have any value to the US, and have become a liability. ...because liquidating the Gitmo prisoners wholesale wouldn't have pissed anybody off, right?
Obama's team deliberately shifted tactics from trying to capture bad guys to pump them for intel to blowing them to kingdom come. End result? Terrorists using drone strikes as a propaganda tool, too. I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're really this daft.
What is it that you don't understand about interrogating them in secret, and then dumping their bodies at sea? What did you gain from going public with Gitmo? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:44:55 AM EDT
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It's been decided at the highest levels that this guy is going to be a hero, apparently. BOHICA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking horseshit! It's been decided at the highest levels that this guy is going to be a hero, apparently. BOHICA. I would love to see the pushback from the military guys about that. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:44:57 AM EDT
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So because the radicals hate you, you're willing to help them recruit new radicals for no good reason? They didn't seem to be hurting for recruits to start with, sport. They were a terrorist network with international reach and ambitions long before there was a Gitmo...and they succeeded in a number of attacks against the United States and our interests, including the worst foreign attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. All that shit led to the creation of Gitmo...not the other way around. Gitmo was a response to those assholes, and your idea that somehow they'd be less offended if we greased every motherfucker we have imprisoned is complete nonsense. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:45:13 AM EDT
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First off I am not military and although I agree that just killing them might have been the best answer, I can't say I am right in any way shape or form. Now, since we didn't kill them, what would you do with them? I wouldn't hand them back to the Middle East region. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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............... What I'm saying is that they should have been disposed of after interrogation. They no longer have any value to the US, and have become a liability. First off I am not military and although I agree that just killing them might have been the best answer, I can't say I am right in any way shape or form. Now, since we didn't kill them, what would you do with them? I wouldn't hand them back to the Middle East region. Put them on trial, or do like Pinochet did and drop them in the Atlantic. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:45:57 AM EDT
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're really this daft.
What is it that you don't understand about interrogating them in secret, and then dumping their bodies at sea? What did you gain from going public with Gitmo? You want to talk "daft", let's talk about how fucking "daft" it is to think you can interrogate these guys in secret and dump their bodies in the fucking ocean without it ever going public.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:46:22 AM EDT
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They didn't seem to be hurting for recruits to start with, sport. They were a terrorist network with international reach and ambitions long before there was a Gitmo...and they succeeded in a number of attacks against the United States and our interests, including the worst foreign attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. All that shit led to the creation of Gitmo...not the other way around. Gitmo was a response to those assholes, and you're idea that somehow they'd be less offended if we greased every motherfucker we have imprisoned is complete nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So because the radicals hate you, you're willing to help them recruit new radicals for no good reason? They didn't seem to be hurting for recruits to start with, sport. They were a terrorist network with international reach and ambitions long before there was a Gitmo...and they succeeded in a number of attacks against the United States and our interests, including the worst foreign attack on our soil since Pearl Harbor. All that shit led to the creation of Gitmo...not the other way around. Gitmo was a response to those assholes, and you're idea that somehow they'd be less offended if we greased every motherfucker we have imprisoned is complete nonsense. The only nonsense is coming from you. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:46:53 AM EDT
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...... Put them on trial, or do like Pinochet did and drop them in the Atlantic. We probably might have but our radical Islam loving president wanted a civilian trial rather than a military trial. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:47:43 AM EDT
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You want to talk "daft", let's talk about how fucking "daft" it is to think you can interrogate these guys in secret and dump their bodies in the fucking ocean without it ever going public. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or if you're really this daft.
What is it that you don't understand about interrogating them in secret, and then dumping their bodies at sea? What did you gain from going public with Gitmo? You want to talk "daft", let's talk about how fucking "daft" it is to think you can interrogate these guys in secret and dump their bodies in the fucking ocean without it ever going public. If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Instead you got a perpetual liability. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:48:57 AM EDT
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The only nonsense is coming from you. Right. Gitmo is a propaganda victory for the other side, but your super duper plan of capturing the guys, interrogating them hard in secret, capping them in the back of the head and dumping their bodies would be sooooooo much better because nobody would ever find out about that. We couldn't even waterboard a couple of the motherfuckers without it making the New York Times but somehow we have the capacity to just execute hundreds of them without it going public. I don't think you have the slightest clue how shit works in America. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:51:13 AM EDT
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Right. Gitmo is a propaganda victory for the other side, but your super duper plan of capturing the guys, interrogating them hard in secret, capping them in the back of the head and dumping their bodies would be sooooooo much better because nobody would ever find out about that. We couldn't even waterboard a couple of the motherfuckers without it making the New York Times but somehow we have the capacity to just execute hundreds of them without it going public. I don't think you have the slightest clue how shit works in America. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only nonsense is coming from you. Right. Gitmo is a propaganda victory for the other side, but your super duper plan of capturing the guys, interrogating them hard in secret, capping them in the back of the head and dumping their bodies would be sooooooo much better because nobody would ever find out about that. We couldn't even waterboard a couple of the motherfuckers without it making the New York Times but somehow we have the capacity to just execute hundreds of them without it going public. I don't think you have the slightest clue how shit works in America. And you don't have the slightest clue how shit works in the ME. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:51:16 AM EDT
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Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why? 
According to a voiceover in the video, the handover took place around 4 p.m. on Saturday in the area of Bati in Ali Sher district of eastern Khost province.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:52:11 AM EDT
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If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Not when you're involved in an ongoing effort which does not yield a single group of prisoners, but a steady stream of them. You require an ongoing program to liquidate the fuckers as they are encountered in the field. The US running an ongoing execution effort for captured jihadists would probably not work terribly well from a propaganda standpoint, either. In Gitmo the fuckers pray 3 times a day and get all the Lucky Charms they can eat...and you claim it is an effective recruiting tool for radical islamists. But somehow an ongoing effort to execute every last one of them wouldn't be, because reasons. Riiiight. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:54:10 AM EDT
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Not when you're involved in an ongoing effort which does not yield a single group of prisoners, but a steady stream of them. You require an ongoing program to liquidate the fuckers as they are encountered in the field. The US running an ongoing execution effort for captured jihadists would probably not work terribly well from a propaganda standpoint, either. In Gitmo the fuckers pray 3 times a day and get all the Lucky Charms they can eat...and you claim it is an effective recruiting tool for radical islamists. But somehow an ongoing effort to execute every last one of them wouldn't be, because reasons. Riiiight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Not when you're involved in an ongoing effort which does not yield a single group of prisoners, but a steady stream of them. You require an ongoing program to liquidate the fuckers as they are encountered in the field. The US running an ongoing execution effort for captured jihadists would probably not work terribly well from a propaganda standpoint, either. In Gitmo the fuckers pray 3 times a day and get all the Lucky Charms they can eat...and you claim it is an effective recruiting tool for radical islamists. But somehow an ongoing effort to execute every last one of them wouldn't be, because reasons. Riiiight. When was the last time a new prisoner was brought to Gitmo? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:55:06 AM EDT
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................ If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Instead you got a perpetual liability. But that wouldn't add fuel to the propaganda machine? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:55:34 AM EDT
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Curious how the 'tards feel about trying Nazi and Japanese war criminals after WWII? Why are they so FUCKING STUPID!!?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The WH's minions are going into "what difference does it make" mode now about releasing the Taliban leaders. They claim after the war is over what else are we going to do with the Taliban in Gitmo? Curious how the 'tards feel about trying Nazi and Japanese war criminals after WWII? Why are they so FUCKING STUPID!!?? "Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. Remember that, Sansa, when you come to play the game." People seem to forget that the man isn't an idiot, he's calculating and megalomanical. Every move he makes (or what moves Valarie 'suggests' he makes) is deliberate. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:55:50 AM EDT
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Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No its not. The people in the Jeans were likely from the state department along with SF escorts. He was living with the enemy for the better part of 5 years and willingly defected.. Who is to say he didn't have a suicide vest under his man dress. Blow up the bird, SF operators and state department folks Taliban takes a huge shit on our POS president and we look like fools. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:57:00 AM EDT
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............... "Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. Remember that, Sansa, when you come to play the game." People seem to forget that the man isn't an idiot, he's calculating and megalomanical. Every move he makes (or what moves Valarie 'suggests' he makes) is deliberate. Understood but my point is that that is a cheap stupid way to run a country. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:57:56 AM EDT
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No its not. The people in the Jeans were likely from the state department along with SF escorts. He was living with the enemy for the better part of 5 years and willingly defected.. Who is to say he didn't have a suicide vest under his man dress. Blow up the bird, SF operators and state department folks Taliban takes a huge shit on our POS president and we look like fools. Even the goat-fucking primitives understand that we look a hell of a lot dumber when our government gets him back safe and sound and then tries to make this shitbird into a hero. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:58:10 AM EDT
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................ If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Instead you got a perpetual liability. But that wouldn't add fuel to the propaganda machine? Yes, but only temporarily. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:59:20 AM EDT
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Yes, but only temporarily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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................ If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Instead you got a perpetual liability. But that wouldn't add fuel to the propaganda machine? Yes, but only temporarily. Well we disagree on that one. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:59:26 AM EDT
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...and let's all take a minute to remember who it was exactly that put Gitmo up in the public consciousness:
Democratic politicians. Like Obama. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:59:53 AM EDT
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As it stands, Gitmo is a valuable propaganda tool for anyone who hates the US. To Al Qaida it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's short sighted and counter productive to keep them. Now the problem won't go away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It gets Americans killed whether you care or not. I seem to recall plenty of Americans getting killed by radical islamists before there was ever a Gitmo. In fact, we set up Gitmo precisely because there were so many Americans dead at islamist hands that we were pretty much forced to go hunt them down to interrupt other plans to kill Americans. Executing terrorists isn't "illegal", either. We could very easily have tried them and executed them like we did Germans and Japanese in WW2. As it stands, Gitmo is a valuable propaganda tool for anyone who hates the US. To Al Qaida it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's short sighted and counter productive to keep them. Now the problem won't go away. Bull. F*cking. Sh*t. They hated us before Gitmo, and they'll hate us LONG after it's eventually closed. For Christ's sweet sake, they're still blaming us for the friggin' Crusades. The only thing you can do with people that heavily invested is to kill them. Preferably as quickly as possible, and in as great of numbers as possible. And that's just the ugly truth. I refuse to play the "why do they hate us??" game... that's for suckers. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:01:27 AM EDT
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Bull. F*cking. Sh*t. They hated us before Gitmo, and they'll hate us LONG after it's eventually closed. For Christ's sweet sake, they're still blaming us for the friggin' Crusades. The only thing you can do with people that heavily invested is to kill them. Preferably as quickly as possible, and in as great of numbers as possible. And that's just the ugly truth. I refuse to play the "why do they hate us??" game... that's for suckers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It gets Americans killed whether you care or not. I seem to recall plenty of Americans getting killed by radical islamists before there was ever a Gitmo. In fact, we set up Gitmo precisely because there were so many Americans dead at islamist hands that we were pretty much forced to go hunt them down to interrupt other plans to kill Americans. Executing terrorists isn't "illegal", either. We could very easily have tried them and executed them like we did Germans and Japanese in WW2. As it stands, Gitmo is a valuable propaganda tool for anyone who hates the US. To Al Qaida it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's short sighted and counter productive to keep them. Now the problem won't go away. Bull. F*cking. Sh*t. They hated us before Gitmo, and they'll hate us LONG after it's eventually closed. For Christ's sweet sake, they're still blaming us for the friggin' Crusades. The only thing you can do with people that heavily invested is to kill them. Preferably as quickly as possible, and in as great of numbers as possible. And that's just the ugly truth. I refuse to play the "why do they hate us??" game... that's for suckers. Despite the group think in GD, not all Muslims hate the US. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:02:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why? http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/bergdahlrelease640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why? According to a voiceover in the video, the handover took place around 4 p.m. on Saturday in the area of Bati in Ali Sher district of eastern Khost province. http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/bergdahlrelease640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:04:16 AM EDT
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Despite the group think in GD, not all Muslims hate the US. Never said they did. You seem to be struggling. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:05:58 AM EDT
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If it comes out years after the fact, it will blow over in a few months. Not when you're involved in an ongoing effort which does not yield a single group of prisoners, but a steady stream of them. You require an ongoing program to liquidate the fuckers as they are encountered in the field. The US running an ongoing execution effort for captured jihadists would probably not work terribly well from a propaganda standpoint, either. In Gitmo the fuckers pray 3 times a day and get all the Lucky Charms they can eat...and you claim it is an effective recruiting tool for radical islamists. But somehow an ongoing effort to execute every last one of them wouldn't be, because reasons. Riiiight. When was the last time a new prisoner was brought to Gitmo? Amusingly enough, what you guys are arguing about technically already happens. There's a reason the Obama admin has used drones to kill a lot of people who might have intel value. You remove the guy, but you don't have to drag him to Gitmo. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:07:17 AM EDT
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But, the Army/DOD will fully investigate BirdDog. Anyone want to bet that the investigation will not be complete until after the elections? A second bet, the report will say that there are serious questions but nothing that rises to the level of a Court Martial.
Moving on to something different; some people have said above that the 5 terrorist will not stay in Qatar. I beg to disagree. In Qatar they will have high-speed internet connections and burner phones, so they can continue to plot harm to the US. Additionally, they will have hot and cold running whores, booze, porn and those high speed internet connections to use Netflix to catch up on Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones and all the other shows they missed while in GITMO. They do not have to worry about a Hellfire dropping in unannounced while in Qatar. Why would they want to go back to the Tribal Areas? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:08:34 AM EDT
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Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why?
According to a voiceover in the video, the handover took place around 4 p.m. on Saturday in the area of Bati in Ali Sher district of eastern Khost province.
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/bergdahlrelease640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 Reek, Reek, it rhymes with shriek! 
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:09:53 AM EDT
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Amusingly enough, what you guys are arguing about technically already happens. There's a reason the Obama admin has used drones to kill a lot of people who might have intel value. You remove the guy, but you don't have to drag him to Gitmo. Right. Obama shifted direction when he got in office. Capture for intel was no longer the priority. Killing them so he didn't have any more sticky Gitmo was the priority. Instead of being ecstatic, the radical islamists cited his drone strikes and killing in their propaganda. Which nicely demonstrates that a plan to kill the motherfuckers rather than capture them is also being used as a recruiting tool....which makes claims that somehow Gitmo is an extra special boon to terrorist recruitment look pretty fucking specious. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:11:57 AM EDT
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Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why?
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Interesting that the flight crew frisked him before he got on the helicopter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Twice. Once when he met the crew (chest/back) and before he got on the blackhawk (legs,arms, chest). Hhhhmmmm. I wonder why?
According to a voiceover in the video, the handover took place around 4 p.m. on Saturday in the area of Bati in Ali Sher district of eastern Khost province.
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/876/493/bergdahlrelease640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 Shit, according to this: http://michellemalkin.com/2014/06/03/exclusive-the-story-you-havent-yet-heard-about-bowe-bergdahls-desertion/ Back when they were searching for the POS, they were going to drop him: With that near-disaster over, the soldier recounted: “We averaged 18-22 kilometers a day on foot, clearing house to house, room to room looking for PFC Bergdahl…We even went as far as rappelling down wells and crawling through tunnels to look for him.” The standard procedure for re-capturing PFC Bergdahl was not “normal,” the soldier noted. “He was very good with knives, and trained to throw and fight hand-to-hand with knives. We did not know the mental state of PFC Bergdahl at the time. All we knew was he left on his own, he caused us lots of hardship, and if we entered a room and saw him we would put him down because he could attack us.” Too bad that didn't happen. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:12:35 AM EDT
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Gitmo is mostly a recruiting tool for that well-known vile and despicable group: the left.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:15:49 AM EDT
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Not any more stupid than keeping this clusterfuck going indefinitely, and it's only illegal if you get caught. If you're squeamish about it, you could have handed them over to a friendly regime without such qualms. No, its illegal if its against US laws, norms, or treaties to which we are a party. Extrajudical execution is illegal. Now, I would have liked if a law was passed which would have allowed their trial, and if convicted, execution or extradition. Congress did not pass such a law. GTMO is not a clusterfuck. The ICRC can visit whenever they want, and they do. Also, at some point this war has to end. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:15:56 AM EDT
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Gitmo is mostly a recruiting tool for that well-known vile and despicable group: the left. Thank you. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:16:58 AM EDT
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............... The problem is that the indefinite detention is a source of embarrassment for the US, and it will continue as long as the prisoners remain. It would have been better to interrogate them in secret, and then simply kill them. Instead you're pretty much stuck with them now. Do. Not. Care. It gets Americans killed whether you care or not. You seriously cannot believe that. You are not that naieve. Wahabbists would find another reason to kill Americans. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:17:10 AM EDT
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As it stands, Gitmo is a valuable propaganda tool for anyone who hates the US. To Al Qaida it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's short sighted and counter productive to keep them. Now the problem won't go away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It gets Americans killed whether you care or not. I seem to recall plenty of Americans getting killed by radical islamists before there was ever a Gitmo. In fact, we set up Gitmo precisely because there were so many Americans dead at islamist hands that we were pretty much forced to go hunt them down to interrupt other plans to kill Americans. Executing terrorists isn't "illegal", either. We could very easily have tried them and executed them like we did Germans and Japanese in WW2. As it stands, Gitmo is a valuable propaganda tool for anyone who hates the US. To Al Qaida it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's short sighted and counter productive to keep them. Now the problem won't go away. So is capitalism, Baptist Churches, malls, women in bathing suits, not praying 87 times a day and people not generally being into goat screwing. Should we get rid of those things so the terrorists will like us? |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:18:20 AM EDT
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............... The problem is that the indefinite detention is a source of embarrassment for the US, and it will continue as long as the prisoners remain. It would have been better to interrogate them in secret, and then simply kill them. Instead you're pretty much stuck with them now. Do. Not. Care. It gets Americans killed whether you care or not. You seriously cannot believe that. You are not that naieve. Wahabbists would find another reason to kill Americans. Not all Muslims are Wahabists, yet. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:18:29 AM EDT
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What is it that you don't understand about interrogating them in secret, and then dumping their bodies at sea? What did you gain from going public with Gitmo? Because, US Law and treaty specifically state that the US military isn't in that business. Like it or not, we sign treaties with the intent to observe them, because part of the US foreign policy strategy is the creation of international norms. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:19:15 AM EDT
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Because, US Law and treaty specifically state that the US military isn't in that business. Like it or not, we sign treaties with the intent to observe them, because part of the US foreign policy strategy is the creation of international norms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is it that you don't understand about interrogating them in secret, and then dumping their bodies at sea? What did you gain from going public with Gitmo? Because, US Law and treaty specifically state that the US military isn't in that business. Like it or not, we sign treaties with the intent to observe them, because part of the US foreign policy strategy is the creation of international norms. Good for you. You'll lose the war though. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:20:38 AM EDT
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Gitmo is mostly a recruiting tool for that well-known vile and despicable group: the left. This. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:21:17 AM EDT
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Read what I've written again. You seem to be struggling. No, I'm good. I'm not the one buying into the AQ propaganda, here. Yeah...they complain about Gitmo. Same way they complain about our support of Israel and any number of other bullshit complaints they've got. We have an administration which has pandered to their primitive ass even to the point of fucking over allies and telling Israel to go fuck itself and yet they still keep finding reasons to kill people and blow shit up. It's almost as if they're violent nutters who insist on absolute power or something. So because the radicals hate you, you're willing to help them recruit new radicals for no good reason? That's some brilliant logic. Anything we fucking do is used as a recruitment tool. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:21:48 AM EDT
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Read what I've written again. You seem to be struggling. No, I'm good. I'm not the one buying into the AQ propaganda, here. Yeah...they complain about Gitmo. Same way they complain about our support of Israel and any number of other bullshit complaints they've got. We have an administration which has pandered to their primitive ass even to the point of fucking over allies and telling Israel to go fuck itself and yet they still keep finding reasons to kill people and blow shit up. It's almost as if they're violent nutters who insist on absolute power or something. So because the radicals hate you, you're willing to help them recruit new radicals for no good reason? That's some brilliant logic. Anything we fucking do is used as a recruitment tool. But some of them are better than others. |
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:22:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:23:26 AM EDT
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