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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TB/WP were done as part of the fun baseline-ing. Fun fact, you can get 1st gen taco OEM parts faster from UAE, than you can CONUS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If its been treated well enough not to sludge, it'll be fine 'til 200-250k. Then maybe a head gasket. Peeps forget the Timing belt but its not interference.  VC leaks arent uncommon TB/WP were done as part of the fun baseline-ing. Fun fact, you can get 1st gen taco OEM parts faster from UAE, than you can CONUS. Not uncommon and same when you have to rely on GCC since you have J70s. 5VZ was used in a big swath of Prados too, so GCC market has plenty. Some LC specialists will stock Genuine, US or UK, but they don't seem to be much faster if at all. You are GTG then, NUMMI trucks are solid |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good I got a leak on a valve cover gasket, dropping her off at buddy's shop this week.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Back just before and around the turn of the century (sounds weird) when the LC debuted with the 2UZ-FE, the wailing and gnashing of teeth was similar. What is this monstrosity! Why has Toyota abandoned us, the faithful. 32V!!! Muh 1FZ!!! As always foreign markets are the promised land and if Toyota would only bring those here we would be delivered. When VVTi arrived, along with ETC there was another round. Compared in some cases to BMWs VANOS failures, despite the dissimilarities and ignoring some other applications and not quite a decade reasonable service on use on the 1UZ. It that wasn't off-road the detractors pouted! All will be broken! Couple year later the 3UR-FE arrived in '07 - with Double VVti . . .and broken cams. It was like that those chicks screaming at the cat at dinner in the meme. See! SEE!!! D-VVTi had beeen around a decade. Mostly w/o issue (I'd say entirely but I don't know the whole story on the '98-on Altezza but never heard of issues, but hell could have missed and solenoids do go bad, mostly well along) The cams were fixed but for years there were screams of what a shit show the 3 UR was. Broken cams. Problems. Yea problems everywhere!! Seriously by bros sisters uncle had an engine replaced. Seriously tho - we did get cam tower leaks. In the end, kinda worked out fine, Even a few million mile examples.  I'm a little over the top here for dramatic effect - but just a little. I recall guys, old dudes with a lot more experience than my green ass had, telling me how fucked up it all was going to be, and in some cases telling me it was right then. When I asked, not for anecdotes, but for the data. . . We'll see on the turbos and hybrids and triple VVTi (J/K ) - as they say, past performance is no guarantee. But I'm not buying trouble before it arrives. Then, I was told I was an idiot often for grabbing debut LC100 at the time. Very expensive mistake. You'll be sorry.18 years and 360k, it worked out ok. Current owner is past his 6th belt. I hope he joins Farah. Seems his goal. Might become famous like Matt. That's not the only or least of my UZ and URs, but the one I miss the most. I prolly won't buy another Taco or Tundra, but there will be a LC 250 in the driveway very soon, replacing or joining a FJ TTE. Likely a new GX at some point, tho I'm set right now. Still, I hope I'm right  What can you tell me about the 5VZ-FE in my taco They don't die. Even when unloved, abused and neglected in the 3rd world. Good I got a leak on a valve cover gasket, dropping her off at buddy's shop this week. Known issue. Only because it's a 2.5 decade old vehicle still kicking on original power plant..... Roll in the valve cover gaskets, new half moon keys and some FIPG. Hard part is the fuel injection harness plastic. Did mine and no moar leaks. I'm convinced half the reason they leak is due to the padded washers losing tension. I've got almost 400k on my 5vz. Last 15-20k miles has been mostly off-road under my ownership. She's lived a life of neglect for sure before coming to me, but now it's loved and taken care of. And runs like a top. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If its been treated well enough not to sludge, it'll be fine 'til 200-250k. Then maybe a head gasket. Peeps forget the Timing belt but its not interference. VC leaks arent uncommon Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Back just before and around the turn of the century (sounds weird) when the LC debuted with the 2UZ-FE, the wailing and gnashing of teeth was similar. What is this monstrosity! Why has Toyota abandoned us, the faithful. 32V!!! Muh 1FZ!!! As always foreign markets are the promised land and if Toyota would only bring those here we would be delivered. When VVTi arrived, along with ETC there was another round. Compared in some cases to BMWs VANOS failures, despite the dissimilarities and ignoring some other applications and not quite a decade reasonable service on use on the 1UZ. It that wasn't off-road the detractors pouted! All will be broken! Couple year later the 3UR-FE arrived in '07 - with Double VVti . . .and broken cams. It was like that those chicks screaming at the cat at dinner in the meme. See! SEE!!! D-VVTi had beeen around a decade. Mostly w/o issue (I'd say entirely but I don't know the whole story on the '98-on Altezza but never heard of issues, but hell could have missed and solenoids do go bad, mostly well along) The cams were fixed but for years there were screams of what a shit show the 3 UR was. Broken cams. Problems. Yea problems everywhere!! Seriously by bros sisters uncle had an engine replaced. Seriously tho - we did get cam tower leaks. In the end, kinda worked out fine, Even a few million mile examples. I'm a little over the top here for dramatic effect - but just a little. I recall guys, old dudes with a lot more experience than my green ass had, telling me how fucked up it all was going to be, and in some cases telling me it was right then. When I asked, not for anecdotes, but for the data. . . We'll see on the turbos and hybrids and triple VVTi (J/K ) - as they say, past performance is no guarantee. But I'm not buying trouble before it arrives. Then, I was told I was an idiot often for grabbing debut LC100 at the time. Very expensive mistake. You'll be sorry.18 years and 360k, it worked out ok. Current owner is past his 6th belt. I hope he joins Farah. Seems his goal. Might become famous like Matt. That's not the only or least of my UZ and URs, but the one I miss the most. I prolly won't buy another Taco or Tundra, but there will be a LC 250 in the driveway very soon, replacing or joining a FJ TTE. Likely a new GX at some point, tho I'm set right now. Still, I hope I'm right What can you tell me about the 5VZ-FE in my taco They don't die. Even when unloved, abused and neglected in the 3rd world. Good I got a leak on a valve cover gasket, dropping her off at buddy's shop this week. If its been treated well enough not to sludge, it'll be fine 'til 200-250k. Then maybe a head gasket. Peeps forget the Timing belt but its not interference. VC leaks arent uncommon Mine was so full of sludge. I almost wonder if they never changed the oil much. True testament of of how tough the 5vz is. It's why they still roam the earth when so much iron from the 90's has already returned to the earth. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine was so full of sludge. I almost wonder if they never changed the oil much. True testament of of how tough the 5vz is. It's why they still roam the earth when so much iron from the 90's has already returned to the earth. I feel ya, Tho the Y engine (2Y- 4Y esp) is the king of the 3rd world Truck (and Forklift ) engines. HiAce seem the most abused (bush taxis and commercial delivery runabouts). The 3K-5K in F10-F30 trucks prolly the other "holy shit how's this not dead" - but ASEANs tend to treat things better than many in Africa. Just at this point, aged in decrepitude. The stunning lack of care for AND consistent pathological abuse that's seen makes one wonder if there's some almost religious, systematic punishment involved. Then you realize it's merely the worst combination of lack of knowledge, lack of care and lack of resources. Peeps in the US didn't treat the 3Y very well either |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 6:51:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Known issue. Only because it's a 2.5 decade old vehicle still kicking on original power plant..... Roll in the valve cover gaskets, new half moon keys and some FIPG. Hard part is the fuel injection harness plastic. Did mine and no moar leaks. I'm convinced half the reason they leak is due to the padded washers losing tension. I've got almost 400k on my 5vz. Last 15-20k miles has been mostly off-road under my ownership. She's lived a life of neglect for sure before coming to me, but now it's loved and taken care of. And runs like a top. FIPG 103 correct? |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:13:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIPG 103 correct? Yep. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:17:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get all of that, I've seen hundreds of dyno charts, and I've driven a few flavors of the modern small displacement turbos. I covered a lot of it specific to the 4Runner here: The #1 recipe for building a long lasting engine that can take a lot of abuse is low output relative to displacement. Engines that are making close to 150hp per liter are cool to play with, but that's not a good option for hard use. At the other end of the spectrum, there's a reason why Ford's Godzilla V8 makes 430 hp (59hp per liter) under the hood of F-250s and F-350s and it's detuned to 335hp (46hp per liter) for F-550s up to F-750s. The 1GR-FE 4.0 in the 5th gen 4Runner makes 69hp per liter, and unsurprisingly, it has an excellent reputation and a cult following of guys that put midsize trucks and SUVs to hard use in austere environments all over the world. It's also worth mentioning that, despite the 5th gen 4Runner being on the market for 15 years and more expensive than ever, sales of this vehicle have generally increased as it's aged. Sales didn't break 100k units until 2016, they peaked at 145k units in 2021 (it took about 3.5 years to hit 145k units total at launch), and they're on track to sell about 130k units this year. There must be some trend, some thing, that's been pushing consumers to choose this model in particular late in its life. I wonder what that might be? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKfaFUIWAAUMG3m?format=png&name=small While turbos aren't new, and there's reason to hope Toyota did their homework, there's also reason to be skeptical of a 2.4L I4T making 116hp per liter under the hood of a 4x4 that probably weighs close to 5,000 pounds empty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is that why we're 13 years into the EcoBoost era and nobody is making a 3/4+ ton truck with a turbocharged gasoline engine? In the US, midsize trucks with the higher power engine are going to be either a turbo 4, or a naturally aspirated V6. Ford adds the 2.7, v6 ecoboost on special models. Modern turbo 4's have power down low and keep making it up high. Naturally aspirated V6's aren't making power down low like the turbo 4's. Turbo 4's are replacing naturally aspirated v6's. Turbo 4's make usable power in a nice size package. 1/2 ton pickups are full of turbo V6's and those pickups are rated for more towing than midsize. Ford does put natural and ecoboost V6 in 3/4 and 1 ton dually vans. People who want power go ecoboost. Cummins is producing a turbo gasoline version of the 6.7 inline 6 diesel. It is slated for vocational, bus, and other commercial use. This is in response to emissions and associated expenses and maintenance. For serious work, the turbo diesel reigns supreme. Natural aspirated gasoline is used for lower purchase costs in that arena. Emissions is starting to have an impact on turbo diesel cost and maintenance. I get all of that, I've seen hundreds of dyno charts, and I've driven a few flavors of the modern small displacement turbos. I covered a lot of it specific to the 4Runner here: Quoted: I think this is mostly a question of application and packaging. Turbos make a lot of sense in engines that will be in an unloaded state most of the time. You get great gas mileage, and you have a whole bunch of power on tap when you want it to go fast or to pull the odd load. In engines that will be under load often, they make a lot less sense. Small displacement engines burn MORE fuel than larger, naturally aspirated engines when under load, and they run a whole lot hotter. Frequent towing has caused increased issues with EcoBoost F-150s. I'm not sure exactly where that puts a vehicle like the 4Runner. Obviously, it's fine in stock form and normal driving, but what happens when you lift it, put huge tires on it, and hang 700+ pounds of accessories on it? As for the packaging issue, the new Tundra is probably a good example of what not to do. Those have/had turbo issues, and fixing them is a cab-off affair. That's a hard pass for me. I would like to think the I4 vehicles like the Tacoma and 4R have more friendly packaging, but I don't know the answer to that question. The #1 recipe for building a long lasting engine that can take a lot of abuse is low output relative to displacement. Engines that are making close to 150hp per liter are cool to play with, but that's not a good option for hard use. At the other end of the spectrum, there's a reason why Ford's Godzilla V8 makes 430 hp (59hp per liter) under the hood of F-250s and F-350s and it's detuned to 335hp (46hp per liter) for F-550s up to F-750s. The 1GR-FE 4.0 in the 5th gen 4Runner makes 69hp per liter, and unsurprisingly, it has an excellent reputation and a cult following of guys that put midsize trucks and SUVs to hard use in austere environments all over the world. It's also worth mentioning that, despite the 5th gen 4Runner being on the market for 15 years and more expensive than ever, sales of this vehicle have generally increased as it's aged. Sales didn't break 100k units until 2016, they peaked at 145k units in 2021 (it took about 3.5 years to hit 145k units total at launch), and they're on track to sell about 130k units this year. There must be some trend, some thing, that's been pushing consumers to choose this model in particular late in its life. I wonder what that might be? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKfaFUIWAAUMG3m?format=png&name=small While turbos aren't new, and there's reason to hope Toyota did their homework, there's also reason to be skeptical of a 2.4L I4T making 116hp per liter under the hood of a 4x4 that probably weighs close to 5,000 pounds empty. Good take and very fair |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:10:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good take and very fair Isn't that why the 3RZ-FE is so bomb proof, super low power in an iron block? |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 12:31:57 PM EDT
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This might make the divide between all thee offerings and their pricing a bit more confusing for people:
 https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-all-new-4runner-answers-the-call-of-the-wild-coming-april-9/ I'd imagine that a Trailhunter 4Runner is going to be pushing lower trim Land Cruiser prices at the minimum. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 12:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This might make the divide between all thee offerings and their pricing a bit more confusing for people: https://pressroom.toyota.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Teaser_3_horizontal-1500x844.png https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-all-new-4runner-answers-the-call-of-the-wild-coming-april-9/ I'd imagine that a Trailhunter 4Runner is going to be pushing lower trim Land Cruiser prices at the minimum. Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24?  I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 1:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway
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Posted: 4/8/2024 1:51:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs I'm waiting for the ARB branded rear window molle panels. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 1:56:20 PM EDT
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-2025-toyota-4runner-is-getting-a-rugged-trailhunter-off-road-trim-too
6th gen 4Runner is getting a Trailhunter trim. If this is the same package in the Taco, then it should get the BD24 diff in the rear, while the LC250 is stick with the BD21. Fucking lame. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 1:58:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm waiting for the ARB branded rear window molle panels. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs I'm waiting for the ARB branded rear window molle panels.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Psstt..... don't tell anyone, but Bilstein is actually doing the manufacturing on them (ome Toyota stuff).... |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Yea, that was my point Toyota is actually offering a range of different focus points - I'm kinda shocked at the recognition from a Mfg and OEMs. Not just stickers and slight improvements. Not sure, have suspicions, but many say no. MT-64 at a mfgs price point . . .puzzle it out And peeps like Amee Reehal and Pat Rich haven't taken pics of the only things many care about - the suspension and the axle. Pat did a good job on thr GX. I mean you get a nice shot of the control arm with the cool TH branding, but swivel that lens a bit and show the tube plz. Take note of my pics above. If I'm offered chance - I won't fail But there's reasons. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Psstt..... don't tell anyone, but Bilstein is actually doing the manufacturing on them (ome Toyota stuff).... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Psstt..... don't tell anyone, but Bilstein is actually doing the manufacturing on them (ome Toyota stuff).... Which indirectly answers my question, are the BP51's, etc.. from OME/ARB better. I would be pissed to buy OME and find out it was Bilstein. I like Bilstein, but if i commit to OME, I want Aussie. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:44:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm offered chance - I won't fail But there's reasons.#metoo |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #metoo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I'm offered chance - I won't fail But there's reasons.#metoo You never fail |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You never fail Well he did post a picture of two land cruisers and zero payload stickers. 
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Posted: 4/8/2024 2:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well he did post a picture of two land cruisers and zero payload stickers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You never fail Well he did post a picture of two land cruisers and zero payload stickers.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 3:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which indirectly answers my question, are the BP51's, etc.. from OME/ARB better. I would be pissed to buy OME and find out it was Bilstein. I like Bilstein, but if i commit to OME, I want Aussie. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Boom - there's the crossover. Emu suspension like the Tacoma TH (and not the QS3 internal bypass coils of the Pro?) T24 i-FORCE MAX? Rear BD24? I bet we wait as long as the Tacoma to actually see specs Do you know if the ARB package is the MT64 series? I think the OME suspension is better than the Fox, IMO for most wheeling. Again there are limited deserts here in TN for off pavement / fast suspensions. Dobinsons is the best anyway Psstt..... don't tell anyone, but Bilstein is actually doing the manufacturing on them (ome Toyota stuff).... Which indirectly answers my question, are the BP51's, etc.. from OME/ARB better. I would be pissed to buy OME and find out it was Bilstein. I like Bilstein, but if i commit to OME, I want Aussie. Cough cough...... the one's on the new Toyota Tacoma are built by bilstein. Cough cough. License...... cough cough..... tier 1 supplier..... cough It's OME design and execution. Built by the best builders in the business. One more could you want? Aussie DNA and looks with German precision. Win/win I highly doubt it's any different at all. If anything, I would trust the Bilstein built product more than the OME built product. As big as OME is, I kind of doubt they have the manufacturing capability to produce at that scale. White labeling is absolutely a thing in the world of business. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 3:52:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cough cough...... the one's on the new Toyota Tacoma are built by bilstein. Cough cough. License...... cough cough..... tier 1 supplier..... cough It's OME design and execution. Built by the best builders in the business. One more could you want? Aussie DNA and looks with German precision. Win/win I highly doubt it's any different at all. If anything, I would trust the Bilstein built product more than the OME built product. As big as OME is, I kind of doubt they have the manufacturing capability to produce at that scale. White labeling is absolutely a thing in the world of business. I'd replace it anyway The TRDP suspension came off almost right away, it got donated to a member here. I'm a Dobinsons guy
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:19:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd replace it anyway The TRDP suspension came off almost right away, it got donated to a member here. I'm a Dobinsons guy  Attached FileAt one point, OME Nitro Chargers were a very good choice. But yea, theres much better choices then OME, use dependent. Damn thats an old pic I'm with rfoxtrot, its about as good as your going to get with OEM constraints, esp Toyota. They have a long relationship. I'd like to get visuals to confirm remote reservoir.  Attached File Attached FileWe should all write Ford a thank you note |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:34:18 AM EDT
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I have a 2020 4Runner TRD with 17,000 on it. It's bone stock and I love it. I have another daily driver so she only gets out for some local pretty tame unimproved off roads.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:34:46 AM EDT
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 Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached FileLooks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma (tho guess the WB). Anyone cares about Limited (ETA for GenY) or others I can post or should be out soon.  Attached File Attached FileTH gets OME 2.5 inch Reservoir shocks that others discussed, and at least one OEM fitment is Toyo Open Country A/T III instead of the Goodyear Territory.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:40:31 AM EDT
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I've been thinking about trading my pickup in for a TRD Pro 2024 4Runner. Wonder if I should wait for the new model?
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryKnew we could count on you
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:43:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knew we could count on you Quote HistoryQuoted: Knew we could count on you Never count on me but yea sometimes blind squirreling gets shit done. Floodgates open soon |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_011_jpg-3183071.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_08_jpg-3183080.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_jpg-3183073.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_02_jpg-3183074.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_GRP_003_jpg-3183072.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_Int_02_jpg-3183081.JPG Looks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma. Anyone cares about limited or others I can post or should be out soon. The rear doors are tiny. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:47:49 AM EDT
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Any sign of a manual transfer case in TRD trims?
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:48:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_011_jpg-3183071.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_08_jpg-3183080.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_jpg-3183073.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_02_jpg-3183074.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_GRP_003_jpg-3183072.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_Int_02_jpg-3183081.JPG Looks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma (tho guess the WB). Anyone cares about limited or others I can post or should be out soon. That green-ish color on the first one really pulls on the nostalgia strings for me. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:49:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any sign of a manual transfer case in TRD trims? I'm not sure where it would go given the center console area's layout. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:50:26 AM EDT
[#34]
https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2024/04/09/toyota-completes-its-off-road-lineup-with-all-new-2025-4runner/?sh=1f6212e4334e
*****EDIT, Article was just removed LOL**** I wonder if it will still be made in Japan like my current J VIN 2018. If that's not the case a GX550 may be in my future. I'm not thrilled with the safety sense 3.0 that monitors your eyes while driving. The 2.4L turbo engine was expected. I would wait a few years to see the reliability. Seems like a lot of nice updates although I'm curious on pricing and where this fits in with the new Landcruiser. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:50:39 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure where it would go given the center console area's layout. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any sign of a manual transfer case in TRD trims? I'm not sure where it would go given the center console area's layout. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:56:02 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any sign of a manual transfer case in TRD trims? Mirrors Tacoma |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:57:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_011_jpg-3183071.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_08_jpg-3183080.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_jpg-3183073.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_02_jpg-3183074.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_GRP_003_jpg-3183072.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_Int_02_jpg-3183081.JPG Looks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma (tho guess the WB). Anyone cares about limited or others I can post or should be out soon. TH gets OME 2.5 inch Reservoir shocks that others discussed, and at least one OEM fitment is Toyo Open Country A/T III instead of the Goodyear Territory. Quality photo leakage. The Trailhunter and TRD Pro look a bit overcooked for my taste. Hopefully the SR5 and OR trims are a bit cleaner. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:59:14 AM EDT
[#38]
It looks... ok. I know its supposed to be based on the Tacoma and I can see it. The purely 4R parts I like better.
That screen is 
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:59:48 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This might make the divide between all thee offerings and their pricing a bit more confusing for people: https://pressroom.toyota.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Teaser_3_horizontal-1500x844.png https://pressroom.toyota.com/the-all-new-4runner-answers-the-call-of-the-wild-coming-april-9/ I'd imagine that a Trailhunter 4Runner is going to be pushing lower trim Land Cruiser prices at the minimum. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:01:25 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quality photo leakage. The Trailhunter and TRD Pro look a bit overcooked for my taste. Hopefully the SR5 and OR trims are a bit cleaner. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_011_jpg-3183071.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_08_jpg-3183080.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_jpg-3183073.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_02_jpg-3183074.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_GRP_003_jpg-3183072.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_Int_02_jpg-3183081.JPG Looks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma (tho guess the WB). Anyone cares about limited or others I can post or should be out soon. TH gets OME 2.5 inch Reservoir shocks that others discussed, and at least one OEM fitment is Toyo Open Country A/T III instead of the Goodyear Territory. Quality photo leakage. The Trailhunter and TRD Pro look a bit overcooked for my taste. Hopefully the SR5 and OR trims are a bit cleaner. Posted the Limited |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:02:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mirrors Tacoma Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any sign of a manual transfer case in TRD trims? Mirrors Tacoma My 5th gen isn't going anywhere long as I have a say. But for my second vehicle though, my first thought is still leaning LC250 to replace my LX570. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:03:51 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The rear doors are tiny. I think the Walmart fender flares are throwing the proportions off. The side shot of the Limited looks like a 4Runner if you squint a bit The screen is fine. Unless you drive with your chin on the center console that’s not how it looks, the top of the screen is lower than the dash from a normal driving position. I posted a picture from our Tundra a page or two back, the screen is the same (or even bigger?) |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:08:24 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The rear doors are tiny Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_011_jpg-3183071.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TH_08_jpg-3183080.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_jpg-3183073.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_TRD_Pro_02_jpg-3183074.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_GRP_003_jpg-3183072.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14291/4R_Int_02_jpg-3183081.JPG Looks decent. Evolutionary and safe. Much Tacoma. Anyone cares about limited or others I can post or should be out soon. The rear doors are tiny Posted interior rear |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:09:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2024/04/09/toyota-completes-its-off-road-lineup-with-all-new-2025-4runner/?sh=1f6212e4334e *****EDIT, Article was just removed LOL**** I wonder if it will still be made in Japan like my current J VIN 2018. If that's not the case a GX550 may be in my future. I'm not thrilled with the safety sense 3.0 that monitors your eyes while driving. The 2.4L turbo engine was expected. I would wait a few years to see the reliability. Seems like a lot of nice updates although I'm curious on pricing and where this fits in with the new Landcruiser. Ouch Sam, that might hurt |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:17:42 AM EDT
[#45]
The rake is interesting, and apparent on the GX and for some reason less so on the LC250. No Air Suspension so makes sense. Wondering if that will be missed. All share WB
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:18:00 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Posted interior rear Mirrors the Tacoma is right. Are the front seats touching the back seats? Oof. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:22:20 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mirrors the Tacoma is right. Are the front seats touching the back seats? Oof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Posted interior rear Mirrors the Tacoma is right. Are the front seats touching the back seats? Oof.  Attached FileLC 250 Base rear, its somewhat the angle but yea  Attached FileBetter angle here |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:23:09 AM EDT
[#48]
Looks nice.
Maybe a bit overdone in the off road trim but at least they kept it fairly close to the prior gen. Now if the engine/drivetrain is reliable and not gutless like the last one, that’s a winner. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:23:52 AM EDT
[#49]
I love it!
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Posted: 4/9/2024 11:25:42 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never count on me but yea sometimes blind squirreling gets shit done. Floodgates open soon Well done sir
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