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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:30:30 PM EDT

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I got my Eagle and OA sash in the early 1970's. Just after that the BSA started changed to be more city oriented with those silly metal belt loop things.

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They got rid of those things sometime ago.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:31:22 PM EDT

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I wasn't a boy scout so I don't get this. So they're allowing females to earn eagle scout now? What is the problem with that?

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short version is Army Ranger school

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:32:49 PM EDT

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That cat is already out of the bag. And all those opportunities should be open to females just as they have been open to weak males.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:32:52 PM EDT

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Read the press release. Boy Scout Troops are NOT going co-ed. Packs may choose to go co-ed but will be segregated into single-gender dens.

But, I don't expect either to last for long. Moms will cry, "the Cub Scout Pack has two dens with 8 boys each, but my Suzie is stuck in the girls' den with two other girls. It's not FAAAAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR......."

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In spite of all of the bad press in the past years, I was actually quite excited about getting my son into scouting. Until now. I don't have a problem with him being around girls. I encourage it. But, it hurts my heart to see one of the few remaining boys' clubs being turned into a co-ed clusterfuck. I suppose I have a few years to really make up my mind about him being involved, but this certainly doesn't help.

Bad move, BSA. Bad move.

Read the press release. Boy Scout Troops are NOT going co-ed. Packs may choose to go co-ed but will be segregated into single-gender dens.

But, I don't expect either to last for long. Moms will cry, "the Cub Scout Pack has two dens with 8 boys each, but my Suzie is stuck in the girls' den with two other girls. It's not FAAAAAAIIIIIIRRRRRRR......."

I heard, back in the 70's, that there was talk of the BSA taking over the running of the GSA. The troops will still be gender separate and I suspect the requirements as well. Let the BSA do their cakes in a Dutch oven like we did back then and IDC. Come to think of it, if a kid wants to bake a cake in the kitchen I don't have a problem with that as long as the original BSA advancement requirements ARE NOT relaxed.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:32:52 PM EDT

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My sons wolf scout den will surely have 2 girls join right away now. 2 kids in his den have sisters who are at every damn meeting and do every event they can possibly do and want to join... They are basically already in it without the uniform.

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They can't join your son's Wolf Den, they will need to be in their own Den.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:33:06 PM EDT

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Sad what it has become.

That doesn't change the experience I had.

On a less controversial note and tangent: You know what my biggest regret from Scouting is? At the 1973 National Jamboree, I traded away my field cap to some scout from England. Can't remember what I got, but I wish I still had it.

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I had a fore and aft cap in the 70s (lost mine over the years), then they went to that ghey as fuck red beret. I think that was the beginning of the end. My shirt was collarless and green, still have that. My Dad (in his 90s) still has his uniform shirt from the early 40s in his cedar chest with his WWII stuff. I have his BSA Handbook on prominent display in my bookcase with mine and my son's. 3 generations of Scouts.

End of an era. Damn shame.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:36:30 PM EDT

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When did cake baking become a Scout activity?

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It's a common thing for the Blue&Gold Banquet, has been for decades.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:38:21 PM EDT

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I was an Eagle scout in the '70's. Went to Philmont. Summer camps at ALFLO, had a shooting range that no longer exist. Good times. A few years ago in a heart to heart with my son, I told him I always regretted not getting him in to Boy Scouts. He told me not to sweat it dad and was glad I didn't push him to join. He now resides on a small "compound" just south of Crestview, Fl with a "Group" of real men, so I guess he turned out ok.

I know I know, humble brag post, if you catch the reference

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a couple branches stationed there, whichever one he's with thank him for his service.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:38:25 PM EDT

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It's a common thing for the Blue&Gold Banquet, has been for decades.

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When did cake baking become a Scout activity?

It's a common thing for the Blue&Gold Banquet, has been for decades.

We usually made cobblers in our Dutch ovens and Cinnamon rolls or biscuits for breakfast.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:38:29 PM EDT

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I wonder how the GSA feels about this?

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:39:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:39:56 PM EDT

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Me too,lol.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:40:48 PM EDT

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It's all about the funding. Traditional funding dried up long ago.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:40:51 PM EDT

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Me too...

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:41:18 PM EDT

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Type Boy Scout Folsom Dair in a search engine image search, I can't post that merit page here

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No weird merit badges, but lots of leather BDSM & gay parades.

(Or was that suppose to be "Dairy" or "Fair"?)

But I did find one of Aimless & DK Prof's ~~distant relatives~~ love children...

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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:41:40 PM EDT

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That cat is already out of the bag. And all those opportunities should be open to females just as they have been open to weak males.

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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:41:57 PM EDT

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What ever happened to the GSA?

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Cookies and social justice.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:42:36 PM EDT

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I'm a bit torn on this. The Girl Scouts is totally lame, and if I had a daughter I would be saddened that she wouldn't have the opportunities I had in the Boy Scouts.

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I'm a bit torn on this. The Girl Scouts is totally lame, and if I had a daughter I would be saddened that she wouldn't have the opportunities I had in the Boy Scouts.

I agree completely. Girl Scouts has become an extreme SJWLBTQ alphabet soup with a focus on the urban life not the outdoors. They are less about 'Scouting' than they are molding girls into SJW women.

That being said we had a local Girl Scout group start up for any local girl in Girl Scouts; the group is totally focused on outdoor activities weekly and does at least two bona-fide backpacking trips per year. The ladies that run it are 'old time' Girl Scouts that remember what the organization was like and don't seem to be happy with the direction it's going.

On the other hand, I suspect strongly that this will practically destroy the organization.

Sadly I have to once again agree.

As an Eagle & Scouter myself and the father of an Eagle Scout I can't see how this will help our organization.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:43:06 PM EDT

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That dude should be kicked out and given a dishonorable. And I'm not sure what that has to do with this.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:43:27 PM EDT

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a couple branches stationed there, whichever one he's with thank him for his service.

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7th Group. Thanks. He's made us proud.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:44:50 PM EDT

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Guess I'm pulling my 6 year old son out of Cub Scouts.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:45:07 PM EDT

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Actually not true. The LDS still supported the BSA at least until eagle scout. Will be interesting to see how they take this considering they are 25% of all scouts iirc.

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Meh,
The LDS has a history of folding, er, having a new revelation, whenever the .gov comes down on them, so not expecting too much whining from them on this cultural issue.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:46:59 PM EDT

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It has nothing to do with gender equality. It has everything to do with pre-emptively avoiding the "My child is a trans-gender and boy scouts is not allowing my boy to be a girl, or my girl to be a boy" thing. It's 3D chess.
They thought this would be a way to avoid the whole tranny boy scout issue. Everyone just "assumes" the boy is a girl. So, a girl who wants to be a boy can join and no one would have an issue. Or a boy who decides he wants to be a girl can be a girl in the boy scouts.

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No one would have an issue? Yeah ok. You do realize who sponsors almost all boy scouts don't you?

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:47:03 PM EDT

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No weird merit badges, but lots of leather BDSM & gay parades.

(Or was that suppose to be "Dairy" or "Fair"?)

But I did find one of Aimless & DK Prof's distant relatives...

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Posted: 10/11/2017 2:47:27 PM EDT

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We usually made cobblers in our Dutch ovens and Cinnamon rolls or biscuits for breakfast.

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When did cake baking become a Scout activity?

It's a common thing for the Blue&Gold Banquet, has been for decades.

We usually made cobblers in our Dutch ovens and Cinnamon rolls or biscuits for breakfast.

This is how we rolled.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:49:32 PM EDT

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This is how we rolled.

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The old camp special.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:49:48 PM EDT

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You were told this was going to happen when they allowed the gays in. The Left is DESTROYING EVERYTHING until they can get to YEAR ZERO, Cambodian style. Look it up.....

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:50:46 PM EDT

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Guess I'll take all my pre-SJW BSA books and guides and just do them with my son on our own. Will look into Trail Life USA as well for the companionship and team aspect too. It's not so much any ONE policy the BSA has put in place, but rather the direction that all of their policies show them moving in the last 5 years or so. I really enjoyed my time in scouting, but it was rough and tumble shit that boys did and didn't have to worry about moms or girls in the mix for whatever complications, if any, it may have caused.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:51:32 PM EDT

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Scared to look

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:53:37 PM EDT

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Actually not true. The LDS still supported the BSA at least until eagle scout. Will be interesting to see how they take this considering they are 25% of all scouts iirc.

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They'll probably start a new organization and it will be better

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:53:40 PM EDT

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Actually not true. The LDS still supported the BSA at least until eagle scout. Will be interesting to see how they take this considering they are 25% of all scouts iirc.

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If I am not mistaken, the LDS church (a few months ago) has already determined that they are planning on cutting the BSA program after age 14.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:53:41 PM EDT

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Just like how the YMCA took out the "C" from their organization.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:55:01 PM EDT

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The fact that the den or patrol will be gender specific is smoke and mirrors. If our pack and troop are representive of most, the majority of activities are at the pack or troop level.

In cub scouts, the den has its weekly meetings or a couple of activities. But, all campouts, summer camps, parades, service projects, etc are done as a pack.

In Boy Scouts, nothing was really done as a patrol, except when they divided up to compete against other patrols, or older patrols helping younger. All activities were done as a troop.

The boys and the girls will be mixing in together, it's the structure of the programs.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:57:16 PM EDT

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Fucking imgur sucks balls, at least on an iphone it always loads the site with a blank image.

I'll imagine it's something like a dildo & a rainbow, or a brown star at the end of a rainbow?

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:57:29 PM EDT

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I am betting that there won't be a ton of girls joining up. That one troop will get a girl and all the boys will transfer to a different troop.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:57:59 PM EDT

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I'm an Eagle Scout an a current Assistant Scout Master.

We already have co-ed scouting in Venturing Crews. I think the ages are about 14 to 21, maybe up to 22. The rest of the world has been co-ed scouting forever.
I hate to see tradition go away but the reality is that Girl Scouts sucks as far as adventure and outdoors stuff goes. Those girls don't learn much there.

I'm sure the same rules will apply to Cub Scouts as they already apply to Venturing Crews. If a female is on a trip then a female leader must also be on that trip. Separate sleeping arrangements for both male and female leaders and for male and female cub scouts.
The transition will be seamless for most cub packs as they are already very family oriented.

Posted: 10/11/2017 2:59:42 PM EDT

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What do we call "Boy Scouts" that are girls? "Girl Scout" is taken.

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Posted: 10/11/2017 3:00:22 PM EDT

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It's all about the funding. Traditional funding dried up long ago.

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QFT.
Increased membership is increased money. If BSA doesn’t increase its revenue, it’s game over for the organization.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:03:01 PM EDT

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Boy Scouts of America would be a lot stronger than it is today if they hadn't welcomed gay Scouts, gay Scoutmasters/Assistant Scoutmasters, and transgender Scouts* into Boy Scout Troops.

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I'll disagree, while it's BSA's fault those things you listed are far too recent for BSA's problems. They go back further. Around here when the school stopped allowing Scouts to recruit/put up posters it spelled the death knell. Council refused to fight it, they just turned tail and ran instead of standing up to the SJW bullies.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:03:41 PM EDT

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The Cub Scout program will remain gender specific. The girl version will be separate from the boy version.

This is a good thing as it will end the radical feminist Girl Scouts.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:04:27 PM EDT

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I'm an Eagle Scout an a current Assistant Scout Master.

We already have co-ed scouting in Venturing Crews. I think the ages are about 14 to 21, maybe up to 22. The rest of the world has been co-ed scouting forever.
I hate to see tradition go away but the reality is that Girl Scouts sucks as far as adventure and outdoors stuff goes. Those girls don't learn much there.

I'm sure the same rules will apply to Cub Scouts as they already apply to Venturing Crews. If a female is on a trip then a female leader must also be on that trip. Separate sleeping arrangements for both male and female leaders and for male and female cub scouts.
The transition will be seamless for most cub packs as they are already very family oriented.

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Here's a groundbreaking idea: Why don't they set out to change that institution instead of whining about being including in BSA? Boy Scouts is for little bros, not for little chicks; it's actually in the name.

Me and my brother are going backpacking in a few weekends and I invited a good friend of mine whom I haven't seen in a few years. He's married. Not once has he asked about bringing his wife along. Why? Because it's a bro weekend, that's why. Some things are just not meant to be all-inclusive.

ETA: This isn't an attack on you. I'm just irritated with all this type of shit in general.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:04:58 PM EDT

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Thats some Obama level faggotry

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It's a damn shame, my grandson just started cub scouts. He will never see scouting as I did. He and my son will be doing a father/son cake baking & decorating as team for a pack competition. WTF ? ? When did cake baking become a Scout activity?

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Thats some Obama level faggotry

Make the best of it, a two scoop ice cream cake.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:08:25 PM EDT

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Gay guy in San Francisco sitting on a parade float wearing a too small BSA uniform seated by a huge merit badge of anal sex

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:08:36 PM EDT

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Goal of the progressives is this

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:10:00 PM EDT

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My boy is 8yo and loves Scouting. We researched different Packs/Troops in the greater Seattle area, most were disgusting liberal dens of failure. Largely single moms looking for baby sitters or "father figures" for their bastard children. We happily travel 30min to participate with a more rural and healthy minded group of folks. We weren't at all interested in Urban Scouting porgrams.

As a group, we spend a lot of time and treasure and have a genuinely healthy traditional Scouting program going...

Now what? Of course my boy is learning from me, his uncles, and friends. But what about exposure to group projects with other kids his own age? outdoor activities? Life sports? Making good choices in stressful situations? Etc.

A Pack/Troop is a product of the local families participating. But when leadership is so far out of line... We're going to have some hard conversations at the dinner table tonight.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:12:42 PM EDT

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i am an eagle scout and i stopped giving them money years ago. they are a shell of what they once were and run by sjws now.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:13:59 PM EDT

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My sons wolf scout den will surely have 2 girls join right away now. 2 kids in his den have sisters who are at every damn meeting and do every event they can possibly do and want to join... They are basically already in it without the uniform.

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Right in the article, and I won't be too hard on you because it is obvious no one in this thread is fucking reading it, it says that girls and boys will be kept in separate dens.

A pack may have both boy and girl dens or they can elect to form a boys and girls pack. Dens will not be intermingled.

Posted: 10/11/2017 3:14:43 PM EDT

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The fact that the den or patrol will be gender specific is smoke and mirrors. If our pack and troop are representive of most, the majority of activities are at the pack or troop level.

In cub scouts, the den has its weekly meetings or a couple of activities. But, all campouts, summer camps, parades, service projects, etc are done as a pack.

In Boy Scouts, nothing was really done as a patrol, except when they divided up to compete against other patrols, or older patrols helping younger. All activities were done as a troop.

The boys and the girls will be mixing in together, it's the structure of the programs.

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RIF. Troops are gender-segregated, not patrols.