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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:53:21 AM EST
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Even more reason to be publicly shamed. It's a powerful tool, shame, and it should be used more often. We live in a society where daytime talk show hosts brag about the number of abortions they have had. A society where a clear path to fame is to produce a sex tape. Shame isn't as powerful as you think. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:54:53 AM EST
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). I think you are right but id also point out that many merely point out the lack of fervor behind the retelling of the deeds of the Russians and Japanese. None of the three have a great track record in that point, id venture to say that trying to rank them is silly in that once you pass a certain point it doesn't matter anymore.... sin is sin and evil is evil. As a historian I do however lament the fact that people who so quickly deride the Germans have no concept of the atrocities of Stalin and imperial Japan. This is a problem with our education system and something that history teachers need to be ashamed of as a group but definitely not a method with which to try and lessen the atrocities of the SS. If i was SEI id have never used the logo. It has meaning because of what people associate it with but you also have to use common sense in understanding that using that logo will associate your business with something many will associate with pure evil. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:56:50 AM EST
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its like 6.8 and 6.5 guys in a 300 BLK thread.. friggen crazy.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). its like 6.8 and 6.5 guys in a 300 BLK thread.. friggen crazy.. Or PC/Android guys pinching off a steaming retort in a Mac or iPhone thread. edit: sarcasm didn't go through the first time. Here's the smiley to indicate jokeyness: 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:59:02 AM EST
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I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not bothered by it. Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. The Japanese had their monsters, too. Unit 731. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:14:57 AM EST
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Earlier. I saw it in 89. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just curious, is this the same website that got pissed at the Media freaking out about the Marine Scout Sniper logo? There's pretty big difference between two letters in the same style and a DIRECT FUCKING COPY of the logo. Especially when the company itself admits that Mr. Ron Smith himself loves it and appropriated it for himself. The Scout Sniper thing is another fuck up. Did they REALLY think they weren't going to get a shit storm for using that as a symbol of their unit? It doesn't matter if it's not exactly identical - its pretty fucking close - close enough. The Scout Snipers were using the SS as early as 1993. So they've been trolling for 25 years. . |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:17:52 AM EST
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We live in a society where daytime talk show hosts brag about the number of abortions they have had. A society where a clear path to fame is to produce a sex tape. Shame isn't as powerful as you think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Even more reason to be publicly shamed. It's a powerful tool, shame, and it should be used more often. We live in a society where daytime talk show hosts brag about the number of abortions they have had. A society where a clear path to fame is to produce a sex tape. Shame isn't as powerful as you think. Ok, shame, combined with the occasional throat punch. 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:28:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Same here. Pantie binding over it really makes me wonder WTF. Wow... I just don't care what a company that I have nothing to do with does. I had family killed by Nazi's and the Japanese in WWII. My Uncle was beheaded on the Bataan Death March while his brother (my Grandfather's other brother) witnessed it. I'm not offended when I see the rising sun every morning. If Smith wants to use that logo for their company, fine with me I'm not buying anything from them anyway. Have fun, I have more important issues to worry about. There's a reason people aren't upset by the Rising Sun symbol... Japanese Empire --> While conquering the Pacific, murdered innocent people when the opportunity presented itself after winning or losing strategic battles - examples are Nanjing and Bataan SS wing of the Third Reich --> Went out of their way to murder innocent people outside of army operations - created an entire culture of ethnic cleansing and systematic mass murder - sole purpose to commit mass murder on unarmed civilians That's why the SS symbol still matters and nobody gives a shit about the Rising Sun - the Japanese were just a fucked up enemy to fight and showed no quarter to civilians and soldiers alike during the scope of their military operations. The SS (though they did have combat unit wings) existed for the sole purpose of seeking out innocent people to murder them systematically - to wipe an ethnicity from the face of the planet. This, outside of military operations. That's the difference. The Japanese had their monsters, too. Unit 731. The Nazis had 15,000 Unit 731s. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:39:08 AM EST
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Has anyone from this thread been sued yet?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:50:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone from this thread been sued yet? |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:50:11 AM EST
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I think unit 731 is very close. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. Possibly worse in some regards and there were over 50 Unit camps where the same shit happened at 731. Unit or concentration camp? Hundreds of thousands killed or millions killed? The Germans being who they are were just more efficient at it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:50:20 AM EST
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We put german americans in camps too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:53:29 AM EST
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I'm not wearing this swastika armband because I'm a nazi. I just think it looks tight and shit. Khmer Rouge, Stalin, Great LeAP FORWARD, JAPAN1!!!!11!! YOLO
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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:58:50 AM EST
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Does it say "Arbeit macht frei" over the front door of their machine shop? 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:09:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Possibly worse in some regards and there were over 50 Unit camps where the same shit happened at 731. Unit or concentration camp? Hundreds of thousands killed or millions killed? The Germans being who they are were just more efficient at it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. Possibly worse in some regards and there were over 50 Unit camps where the same shit happened at 731. Unit or concentration camp? Hundreds of thousands killed or millions killed? The Germans being who they are were just more efficient at it. That's exactly the point. It doesn't matter that the Japanese also felt they were a superior race and wanted to kill Chinese or Koreans or whomever, it matters what they were actually able to pull off, which, compared to the Germans, was tiny in comparison. The Japs were just as fucked up, but weren't able to pull off what the Nazis did.
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:14:13 PM EST
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You want the answer? It's because the Germans look like us. We overlooked what the Japanese did because it was easy to say "Well they aren't anything like us, of course they would do shit like that!" Not so for the Germans, especially when many people in the US, and those who fought for the US, can easily trace back their ancestry there. (myself included) Why do you think it was more acceptable to round up all of the Japanese Americans during the war and put them in camps of their own, but not Germans? Same reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think you're missing my point... Brutallity wise the Japs were right up there with the Germans (some cases worse). Scale wise? Not even close. Yes, I'm well aware of the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731, but when you compare the scale of the Jap atrocities to the Germans, it's unparalleled. The scale of Nazi atrocities, and more importantly the sophistication and organization of their atrocities is why history remembers them as the greater evil of the two. That's my point. Someone said this thread would expose 88ers, but in truth it has exposed historical revisionist. The Japanese nationalist, like the German nationalist thought of themselves a superior race. Thus that wanted to wipe out what they felt was the inferior race of Chinese and SE Asians. Crimes[edit]
The Japanese military during the 1930s and 1940s is often compared to the military of Nazi Germany during 1933–45 because of the sheer scale of suffering. Much of the controversy regarding Japan's role in World War II revolves around the death rates of prisoners of war and civilians under Japanese occupation. Historian Chalmers Johnson has written that: It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians (i.e. Soviet citizens); the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as (forced) prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not the Soviet Union) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; (by comparison) the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.[35] If your suffering from indignant outrage over this symbol ask yourself why? Why this and not the Rising Sun on t-shirts? Why this and not the Hammer and Sickle on you cheap ammo boxes? Why this and not the Confederatet flag? You want the answer? It's because the Germans look like us. We overlooked what the Japanese did because it was easy to say "Well they aren't anything like us, of course they would do shit like that!" Not so for the Germans, especially when many people in the US, and those who fought for the US, can easily trace back their ancestry there. (myself included) Why do you think it was more acceptable to round up all of the Japanese Americans during the war and put them in camps of their own, but not Germans? Same reason. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:16:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Horrible but funny Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does it say "Arbeit macht frei" over the front door of their machine shop? Horrible but funny i was going to photoshop this, but I found my 5 hour deposition with Swann over arfcom jocularity enough for awhile. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:16:36 PM EST
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Can we get this thread back on track on discuss how stupid SEI is please?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:18:39 PM EST
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The thread as been derailed
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:20:23 PM EST
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That's exactly the point. It doesn't matter that the Japanese also felt they were a superior race and wanted to kill Chinese or Koreans or whomever, it matters what they were actually able to pull off, which, compared to the Germans, was tiny in comparison. The Japs were just as fucked up, but weren't able to pull off what the Nazis did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Playing the "who was the bigger asshole in WW2" game doesn't change the fact that the SS and the Germans are very high up on the list. Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. Possibly worse in some regards and there were over 50 Unit camps where the same shit happened at 731. Unit or concentration camp? Hundreds of thousands killed or millions killed? The Germans being who they are were just more efficient at it. That's exactly the point. It doesn't matter that the Japanese also felt they were a superior race and wanted to kill Chinese or Koreans or whomever, it matters what they were actually able to pull off, which, compared to the Germans, was tiny in comparison. The Japs were just as fucked up, but weren't able to pull off what the Nazis did. No. The difference was in HOW they did it. The Germans had a highly centralized and organized plan for extermination of certain groups, the Nipponese just went about willy nilly murdering almost everyone who wasn't Nipponese. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:21:19 PM EST
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The thread as been derailed Yes, and SEI is idiotic for using this symbol in any manner. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:44:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The difference was in HOW they did it. The Germans had a highly centralized and organized plan for extermination of certain groups, the Nipponese just went about willy nilly murdering almost everyone who wasn't Nipponese. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Top...the SS were the top of that list. I think unit 731 is very close. Possibly worse in some regards and there were over 50 Unit camps where the same shit happened at 731. Unit or concentration camp? Hundreds of thousands killed or millions killed? The Germans being who they are were just more efficient at it. That's exactly the point. It doesn't matter that the Japanese also felt they were a superior race and wanted to kill Chinese or Koreans or whomever, it matters what they were actually able to pull off, which, compared to the Germans, was tiny in comparison. The Japs were just as fucked up, but weren't able to pull off what the Nazis did. No. The difference was in HOW they did it. The Germans had a highly centralized and organized plan for extermination of certain groups, the Nipponese just went about willy nilly murdering almost everyone who wasn't Nipponese. I said this already - couple pages back. The scale and the systematic nature. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:50:07 PM EST
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Can we get this thread back on track on discuss how stupid SEI is please? thats why i made my thread.. 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 12:59:25 PM EST
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thats why i made my thread.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can we get this thread back on track on discuss how stupid SEI is please? thats why i made my thread.. Because you suck? 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:03:11 PM EST
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Can we get this thread back on track on discuss how stupid SEI is please? thats why i made my thread.. Because you suck? Damn it you promised not to tell, thanks a lot.. 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:06:05 PM EST
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^^^Another emotionally undeveloped and indignant huffer who failed to do his homework. So you're saying that there weren't any Polish Nazis? How about you do your homework instead of trying to defend the indefensible? 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:06:59 PM EST
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I said this already - couple pages back. The scale and the systematic nature. The scales were very similar (30 million or so civilian casualties inflicted by each regime). The systematic nature was not. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:19:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The scales were very similar (30 million or so civilian casualties inflicted by each regime). The systematic nature was not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I said this already - couple pages back. The scale and the systematic nature. The scales were very similar (30 million or so civilian casualties inflicted by each regime). The systematic nature was not. I meant the scale of the death camps, not the overall casualties. The Japs didn't herd their victims into trains like cattle and exterminate them like rats in thousands of camps across a continent. They just murdered them on the spot. (few exceptions being Unit 731 and some other smaller concentration camps)
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Posted: 1/17/2014 1:20:16 PM EST
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Well, this thread took a turn. Can we just get back to how monumentally stupid SEI is for using this?
Also, I think there should be an arfcom corollary to Godwin's Law - whenever the Nazis are brought up, someone is guaranteed to remind us that the Japanese and Commies were worse, no matter what context or how relevant it is to the discussion. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:02:53 PM EST
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Has anyone from this thread been sued yet? I'm not scared. Get at me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:33:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). Nobody ran in here to defend Nazi's for the sake of love, just to remind others of true historic events. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:37:32 PM EST
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Has anyone from this thread been sued yet? I'll try to get sued. They are douchebags of the first order to have approved that logo. Even my 15 year old knew what it was when I showed to him His exact words were-"That's the death's head from the SS. What a bunch of retards to have made that their logo." |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 2:37:33 PM EST
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IF you read and follow this thread you will notice that it was first pointed out how bad the Nazi's were compared the the Japanese. Then came the posts explaining that the Japanese weren't any better. Nobody ran in here to defend Nazi's for the sake of love, just to remind others of true historic events. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's fascinating to me how some people seem to be drawn to ANY thread that is remotely related to nazi Germany, in order to point out how bad the Soviets and Japanese were (and to persistently argue the point). Nobody ran in here to defend Nazi's for the sake of love, just to remind others of true historic events. EVERY thread that involves a discussion of nazi Germany atrocities will inevitably draw multiple people that try to turn the conversation to the Soviets and the Japanese. That is all I am saying. The details of HOW exactly it happens obviously varies from thread to thread. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:06:04 PM EST
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So when are we going to see the "Hitler Finds out SEI is Suing Him for Using Their Logo" video on youtube?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:08:05 PM EST
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So when are we going to see the "Hitler Finds out SEI is Suing Him for Using Their Logo" video on youtube? 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:29:45 PM EST
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That would be epic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So when are we going to see the "Hitler Finds out SEI is Suing Him for Using Their Logo" video on youtube?
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:38:19 PM EST
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Not about the SS symbol retardation, but funny and relevant 
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:39:50 PM EST
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So when are we going to see the "Hitler Finds out SEI is Suing Him for Using Their Logo" video on youtube? Lol! Please, someone do this before they become a sponsor here again. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 3:52:59 PM EST
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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdpzWfqvuds
Not about the SS symbol retardation, but funny and relevant I lol'd. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 4:01:05 PM EST
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Wow.....just........wow
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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:34:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not scared. Get at me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone from this thread been sued yet? I'm not scared. Get at me. |
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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:04:24 PM EST
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Posted: 1/18/2014 4:37:07 AM EST
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Has anyone from this thread been sued yet? I'm not scared. Get at me. Sorry. Not having the best of nights Maybe a nice long shower would help.
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Posted: 1/18/2014 4:55:03 AM EST
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now in this thread, bad holocaust jokes
true story, my highschooler had an english assignment this week, to write haikus about the holocaust my suggestions were not submitted look an untermensch put him on a cattle car arbeit macht frei |
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Posted: 1/18/2014 5:13:59 AM EST
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I think their marketing department needs to go take some classes at the community college.
The One Shot One Kill thing is way over played too. I guess you can make up for being unoriginal by being retarded. |
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Posted: 1/18/2014 6:45:19 AM EST
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Uh,more Americans died trying to defeat slavery States Rights than National Socialism...you know that,right?
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:05:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed that typo for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uh,more Americans died trying to defeat slavery States Rights than National Socialism...you know that,right? Fixed that typo for you. That's true - the war was about States rights. Only, 90% of those States rights had pretty much everything to do with slavery. Slavery started that war - whether or not people fought for or against it is a different matter - slavery is what sparked it. |
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:38:12 AM EST
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Maybe a nice long shower would help.
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:55:42 AM EST
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So when are we going to see the "Hitler Finds out SEI is Suing Him for Using Their Logo" video on youtube? Lol! Please, someone do this before they become a sponsor here again.
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:59:30 AM EST
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I meant the scale of the death camps, not the overall casualties. The Japs didn't herd their victims into trains like cattle and exterminate them like rats in thousands of camps across a continent. They just murdered them on the spot. (few exceptions being Unit 731 and some other smaller concentration camps) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I said this already - couple pages back. The scale and the systematic nature. The scales were very similar (30 million or so civilian casualties inflicted by each regime). The systematic nature was not. I meant the scale of the death camps, not the overall casualties. The Japs didn't herd their victims into trains like cattle and exterminate them like rats in thousands of camps across a continent. They just murdered them on the spot. (few exceptions being Unit 731 and some other smaller concentration camps) Ah, sorry, that went right past my head. And now we're hurting DKProf's feelings.
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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:59:47 AM EST
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Maybe a nice long shower would help.
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Well played. You Norwegian guys have good sense of humor.
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