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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:40:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bottom of page two is where I posted links... ~50% of the immigrants on the Tyson Chicken bus won't leave. Last year, same thing. Year before, same thing. Year before that. Same thing... You get the picture. The majority of illegal immigrants enter this country illegally. Depending on the statistic... But I would call 70-90% an "extreme majority." So, 10-30% have, "ran through the desert," stories... The minority. The extreme minority. Talk of a, "wall," is a distraction from the real problem... And, anecdotally… I have read, heard, and seen stories of immigrants who crossed legally, walked across the desert, went back legally, came back legally, crossed illegally, etc, etc. They shut the border down going-south, and they can't come back they just won't leave. The 70-90% goes to 100% overnight... The wall is fake news. The wall is a distraction... And Trump is not actually shutting the border down with a wall. His last offer was for ~300 miles more, a fraction of the border... Prove this or STFU. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:42:12 PM EST
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he shouldn’t try to remove them, Reagan already fucked that up forever
cut the benefits, require SS verification for jobs, and arrest business owners that knowingly hire illegals the problem will solve itself |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:42:30 PM EST
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Hey NeverTrumper's, since you hate Trump so much I'm assuming you won't support him or vote for him in 2020. So, who will you support to run against Trump in the 2020 primary? It's getting late, you need to have a candidate ready, raise funds and get the word out. So who is it? And what are their chances of both beating Trump and whoever the Dem's run?
Instead of just bashing Trump every time he opens his pie hole, how about giving us a real alternative. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:43:05 PM EST
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There are 30,000,000 people are here illegally. Remove them, or this country is DONE. Demographics are destiny. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:45:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
he shouldn’t try to remove them, Reagan already fucked that up forever cut the benefits, require SS verification for jobs, and arrest business owners that knowingly hire illegals the problem will solve itself |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:46:59 PM EST
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"The majority of illegal immigrants enter this country illegally." Prove this or STFU. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Bottom of page two is where I posted links... ~50% of the immigrants on the Tyson Chicken bus won't leave. Last year, same thing. Year before, same thing. Year before that. Same thing... You get the picture. The majority of illegal immigrants enter this country illegally. Depending on the statistic... But I would call 70-90% an "extreme majority." So, 10-30% have, "ran through the desert," stories... The minority. The extreme minority. Talk of a, "wall," is a distraction from the real problem... And, anecdotally… I have read, heard, and seen stories of immigrants who crossed legally, walked across the desert, went back legally, came back legally, crossed illegally, etc, etc. They shut the border down going-south, and they can't come back they just won't leave. The 70-90% goes to 100% overnight... The wall is fake news. The wall is a distraction... And Trump is not actually shutting the border down with a wall. His last offer was for ~300 miles more, a fraction of the border... Prove this or STFU. The ranges of illegal immigration I have heard hover between 11 million all the way up to 30 or 35 million. So, that is prima facie evidence that NO ONE has ANY real idea how many there are or how they got here explicitly. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:47:07 PM EST
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If you wanna remove 30 million people you're gonna have to go full Genghis Khan/Hitler/Mao/Stalin combined genocide mode. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are 30,000,000 people are here illegally. Remove them, or this country is DONE. Demographics are destiny. Because active consistent enforcement might upset the leftists even more? |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:47:57 PM EST
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he shouldn't try to remove them, Reagan already fucked that up forever cut the benefits, require SS verification for jobs, and arrest business owners that knowingly hire illegals the problem will solve itself Yes, some will go back. The criminals, gang members and family of legals or those with children will probably not. And there will always be shady businesses that will hire them anyway either because they don't care about the law, don't think they'll get caught or will think a lawyer can get them off (and I won't be shocked if that happens). And unless you're going to expand ICE and give them even more power, they're will always be illegals willing to do work for private individuals. Your suggestions are a piece of the puzzle, but they're not the whole puzzle. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:48:54 PM EST
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Quote Historyjuni4ling: The leak won’t get fixed with a wall.
The extreme majority of illegals here entered legally then didn’t leave... Agriculture and meat packing businesses bus them here —legally— in droves. They have formal recruiting stations in Mexico... They bus them here for work... Illegal Immigration won't be fixed until it is recognized as an act of war, and its domestic enablers dealt with as wartime enemies. You can't keep an enemy population settled in your midst. Many many many millions must go back, or we will be in this spot very quickly again after any fanciful quick fix. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:49:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But we were told that Trump was a master at negotiation, and accomplishing his campaign promises! Lol, rofl. Trump campaign slogan for 2020: It is all everyone else's fault I failed! Vote Trump! Four more years of failure! |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:49:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Republicans still were not on his side. Having your own party plus the other party against you would just lead to a veto overide. There is simply NO denying that fact and/or possibility |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:50:41 PM EST
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He could simply make employers held to eVerify standards and many will self deport.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:50:59 PM EST
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Well, get ready for a run on the boarder.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:54:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hey NeverTrumper's, since you hate Trump so much I'm assuming you won't support him or vote for him in 2020. So, who will you support to run against Trump in the 2020 primary? It's getting late, you need to have a candidate ready, raise funds and get the word out. So who is it? And what are their chances of both beating Trump and whoever the Dem's run? Instead of just bashing Trump every time he opens his pie hole, how about giving us a real alternative. but I truly believe that the full commie train has left the station and is headed our way , I'm not blaming Trump for this complete mess, fake news has just as much of the blame if not more . |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:55:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do people always post this “round up all of them” shit? Enforce the laws- detain and deport SOME, actively and consistently. Stop enabling them to come here. Let them know that at anytime they could be detained and deported and lose everything they have acquired and built here, that at no point will they ever be allowed to stay. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:56:40 PM EST
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Well, get ready for a run on the boarder. "All are welcome! Defacto amnesty in place and actual amnesty on the way! Let's make a deal!" |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:00:15 PM EST
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Nevertrump thread....built on fantasies and falsehoods.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:01:43 PM EST
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This^^^. ICE’s 287g program, where in place, works very well. Consistently, as the law already allows, fine the piss out of employers who hire IA’s. Most of your problem is solved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Why do people always post this “round up all of them” shit? Enforce the laws- detain and deport SOME, actively and consistently. Stop enabling them to come here. Let them know that at anytime they could be detained and deported and lose everything they have acquired and built here, that at no point will they ever be allowed to stay. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:03:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
"The majority of illegal immigrants enter this country illegally." Prove this or STFU. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Bottom of page two is where I posted links... ~50% of the immigrants on the Tyson Chicken bus won't leave. Last year, same thing. Year before, same thing. Year before that. Same thing... You get the picture. The majority of illegal immigrants enter this country illegally. Depending on the statistic... But I would call 70-90% an "extreme majority." So, 10-30% have, "ran through the desert," stories... The minority. The extreme minority. Talk of a, "wall," is a distraction from the real problem... And, anecdotally… I have read, heard, and seen stories of immigrants who crossed legally, walked across the desert, went back legally, came back legally, crossed illegally, etc, etc. They shut the border down going-south, and they can't come back they just won't leave. The 70-90% goes to 100% overnight... The wall is fake news. The wall is a distraction... And Trump is not actually shutting the border down with a wall. His last offer was for ~300 miles more, a fraction of the border... Prove this or STFU. The DHS link was interesting but doesn't determine how those over stays occurred. It stated that there were just over 700k overstayed visas in 2017 but doesn't get into the reasons why (missed my flight, medical emergency etc..) or if those people are still here. And if his estimate regarding half of Tyson's bus is correct, then we are led to believe that Tyson chicken employees over a million feather pluckers whom they bus in annually. That's just silly. Additionally, there's no way to determine how many cross the border illegally. So it's really a claim he can't effectively make because only one side of the data exists. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:05:41 PM EST
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You guys constantly wetting yourselves over every vague tweet made by Trump would be funny if it wasn't so obnoxious.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:08:32 PM EST
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Takes a real dumbass to think we would be kicking im doors, rounding them up and putting them in trains headed to Mexico or something.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:10:52 PM EST
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There was never going to be a general roundup of illegals already here.
Most have kids that are American citizens now. They will deport some criminal illegals etc... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:11:36 PM EST
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Takes a real dumbass to think "If you aren't going to round them all up it would be unfair to enforce the law and deport any of them." 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:18:05 PM EST
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Quote Historyhotbiggun42: Turning hard working Americans into felons is never the answer. Buisness owners are being forced to play by the rules set in place by elected officials. For some women it seems easier to murder their own babies through abortion. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:20:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Romneys a pussy His Mexico-funded wall is now a short fence, and to get it he is putting DACA and perhaps even amnesty on the table. Weakling. A weakling and a liar. Trump failed? Blame Romney! |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:21:02 PM EST
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There was never going to be a general roundup of illegals already here. Most have kids that are American citizens now. They will deport some criminal illegals etc... They will swing TX and AZ blue and that is about all there is to it. Then they (the left) can fight amongst themselves as the La Raza/hardcore marxist left and the dems fight one another for power. The dems will import millions of islamists to counter the la raza folks and in the end they will fight, the victor committing genocide on the loser. I just hope we (non leftist, non raza) can find or fight for a safe place to escape what is coming. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:21:10 PM EST
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Reformers Worry DACA Work Permit Amnesty-for-Wall Funding will Encourage More Caravans
"Pro-American immigration reformers say President Trump’s plan to offer a work permit amnesty to about a million illegal aliens and foreign nationals could encourage more caravans of Central Americans to come to the United States at the U.S-Mexico border. In a weekend announcement, Trump offered Republicans and Democrats a plan to give amnesty in the form of three-year work permits to a little more than 700,000 illegal aliens who are enrolled in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. The deal gives the roughly 325,000 foreign nationals living in the U.S. on Temporary Protected Status (TPS) amnesty to remain in the country. In return, about a fifth of border wall funding — $5.7 billion — would be secured to build a barrier at the U.S.-Mexico border. “Enacting an amnesty for young people right at the time that yet another caravan is en route to the United States and planning to enter illegally is exactly the wrong thing to do as a matter of policy,” Center for Immigration Studies Director of Policy Jessica Vaughan told Breitbart News. “It’s also the wrong thing to do as a matter of politics, because this would be an embarrassingly huge win for the Democrats and more-migration Republicans. It’s not a deal, actually; the President would be getting rolled.” 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:21:46 PM EST
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Yup, there is NO WAY they know the numbers with any degree of certainty. The ranges of illegal immigration I have heard hover between 11 million all the way up to 30 or 35 million. So, that is prima facie evidence that NO ONE has ANY real idea how many there are or how they got here explicitly. He hates trump more than he loves his country. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:22:41 PM EST
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If only Jeb were President, we'd already have a wall and total deportation. He increased gun rights. Trump is giving DACA and maybe even amnesty to get his short fence... Trump has lost already... Trump has been a complete and total failure. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:23:55 PM EST
[#30]
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There are 30,000,000 people are here illegally. Remove them, or this country is DONE. Demographics are destiny. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:25:07 PM EST
[#31]
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Yes that's correct the evil greedy buisness owners are the real "hard working Americans" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Which "hard working Americans" would those be? The owners of the meat/poultry processing plants? Some "Farmer John", Too Busy Mrs. Housefrau, or "Contractor Carl" that all pay cash under the table? Well fuck those people. They are helping to destroy America to line their own pockets or worse yet for their own convenience, so yeah, they can fucking well rot in jail as far as I am concerned.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:26:15 PM EST
[#32]
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I read some of each link and it seems more like news organizations making a case for why Trump's wall won't work and not a reflection of actual events. Big surprise. The DHS link was interesting but doesn't determine how those over stays occurred. It stated that there were just over 700k overstayed visas in 2017 but doesn't get into the reasons why (missed my flight, medical emergency etc..) or if those people are still here. And if his estimate regarding half of Tyson's bus is correct, then we are led to believe that Tyson chicken employees over a million feather pluckers whom they bus in annually. That's just silly. Additionally, there's no way to determine how many cross the border illegally. So it's really a claim he can't effectively make because only one side of the data exists. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:26:55 PM EST
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That you think McCain was any sort of hero is proof you’re living in bizarro world, can’t take anything you say seriously after that. Lol, rofl. McCain is a douche. But he is more of a true American hero than Trump will ever be... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:27:01 PM EST
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There was never going to be a general roundup of illegals already here. Most have kids that are American citizens now. They will deport some criminal illegals etc... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:28:22 PM EST
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OP is a NeverTrumper and sorry to all of you who’s girl lost.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:28:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: !Jeb! Did the unthinkable as Governor... He increased gun rights. Trump is giving DACA and maybe even amnesty to get his short fence... Trump has lost already... Trump has been a complete and total failure. Still waiting for your evidence to support your position that most illegals come here legally. You won't because you can't. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:29:05 PM EST
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:29:34 PM EST
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If you wanna remove 30 million people you're gonna have to go full Genghis Khan/Hitler/Mao/Stalin combined genocide mode. 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:29:38 PM EST
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You guys constantly wetting yourselves over every vague tweet made by Trump would be funny if it wasn't so obnoxious. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:30:13 PM EST
[#40]
And the caravans will keep coming.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:30:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is definite truth to that also. There is simply NO denying that fact and/or possibility Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The Republicans still were not on his side. Having your own party plus the other party against you would just lead to a veto overide. There is simply NO denying that fact and/or possibility |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:30:51 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is an American hero because he forced Mexico to pay for a border wall through remittances and put Hillary in Prison. Errr... ughhh. Well, it’s really because Trump says mean things! Lol, rofl. McCain is a douche. But he is more of a true American hero than Trump will ever be... McCain sent his pal to England to get the fake piss dossier to give to the FBI. A fake dossier. To justify spying on an American citizen. And you call the motherfucker an American hero. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:31:02 PM EST
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Hey NeverTrumper's, since you hate Trump so much I'm assuming you won't support him or vote for him in 2020. So, who will you support to run against Trump in the 2020 primary? It's getting late, you need to have a candidate ready, raise funds and get the word out. So who is it? And what are their chances of both beating Trump and whoever the Dem's run? Instead of just bashing Trump every time he opens his pie hole, how about giving us a real alternative. He is not a conservative in the way many of us here define the term. Like most of the people on the top tier of wealth and politics, he and the Congress are looking out for themselves and their peers. The upper class in the US benefits from gun control, amnesty, a good economy and a right wing (Kelo v. New London  ) court.
So remember, there is no alternative. Trump isn’t even a real alternative for people who want smaller government, low government spending, more freedom and believe in the Constitution. Use this time to prepare for the onslaught after Trump. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:32:21 PM EST
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True. Also way too many employers hiring them with impunity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was never going to be a general roundup of illegals already here. Most have kids that are American citizens now. They will deport some criminal illegals etc... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:33:32 PM EST
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That master negotiator beat 16 other contenders for POTUS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That master negotiator beat 16 other contenders for POTUS. Is your (lol, rofl) argument that Trump had actual intentions of accomplishing his campaign promises? He had backed-off Hillary going to jail, and Mexico paying for the wall with remittances before inauguration day, for the record... Are you saying that Trump told the truth that he was going to (lol, rofl) "Lock her up! Lock her up!" Quoted:
Your hero McCain was for closing the gun show loophole, was open borders, and was neck deep in the Keating 5. Not to mention McCain Feingold. Trump will never have that. Trump will never have that. All Trump will have is loyal supporters who have turned-off their brains, and his long-list of broken campaign promises. McCain is an American hero from his war service, funny thing, that is what Trump attacked... Trump is a coward and a flat-footed liar... 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:34:59 PM EST
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And if you think you are going to cut off their employment opportunity and make them homeless beggars, I got a bridge for sale. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There was never going to be a general roundup of illegals already here. Most have kids that are American citizens now. They will deport some criminal illegals etc... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:35:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:36:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump did it by lying his head off... Is your (lol, rofl) argument that Trump had actual intentions of accomplishing his campaign promises? He had backed-off Hillary going to jail, and Mexico paying for the wall with remittances before inauguration day, for the record... Are you saying that Trump told the truth that he was going to (lol, rofl) "Lock her up! Lock her up!" There is no defense for McCains political record... McCain was an American hero before he got elected to anything. Trump will never have that. Trump will never have that. All Trump will have is loyal supporters who have turned-off their brains, and his long-list of broken campaign promises. McCain is an American hero from his war service, funny thing, that is what Trump attacked... Trump is a coward and a flat-footed liar... https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MIsIJ2KtNUs/XDOSJABDbfI/AAAAAAAABCw/XfCfiZlij4AeT-cA5B4iEa50JuUlyy1jwCLcBGAs/s400/Cruz.png It's sad when you have to flat out lie to argue your position. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:36:40 PM EST
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You are just plain wrong on the wall. The pros want it and have wanted it for a long consistent period of time. And they do not want it just to get more money...….they want it because they know it will help a lot in stopping illegal immigration. Current pros want it, retired pros say we need it and it is just common sense that funneling people into fewer areas is easier to patrol and navigate. BUILD THE WALL. The border patrol wants more resources, funding, and agents? Say it isn't so. It will "stop" no one. The short fence Trump is selling now (in exchange for DACA and probably amnesty) will only cover a fraction of the border... I hope Trump gets his wall. It is a waste of money, but I hope he gets it. But I also know that it won't do anything to curtail immigrants entering this country... Read my links. ~Half of the people on the Tyson Chicken bus won't leave. Last year, same. Year before, same... Going back a generation... They are entering the country legally, then not leaving... Build the wall (short fence), and 100% won't go back... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:37:27 PM EST
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Start putting the fear and reality of prison into the heads of these piece of shit employers and it'll stop. |
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