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Posted: 1/23/2017 4:29:12 PM EST
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The reason for that thought is that it is much easier to ensure that the assets show up in the order you want them if they all leave from the same location. This could work with an LAAR escort but would require that all the Fireforce bases be capable of rotary and fixed wing operations which may be limiting. Not really. A LAAR air strip is 48 hours of basic bladework. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 4:32:13 PM EST
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These wurdz are beautiful
So many aviators bios detail post WW2 nonsensical AF leadership gamesmanship bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They know the boss is going to shove their non support of his Marines up their ass. He has a long memory of AF antics and bullshit during a war where his Marines were bleeding while AF generals played games. They earned it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 4:42:13 PM EST
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The reason for that thought is that it is much easier to ensure that the assets show up in the order you want them if they all leave from the same location. This could work with an LAAR escort but would require that all the Fireforce bases be capable of rotary and fixed wing operations which may be limiting. A good commander can mitigate all of that. With larger enemy forces, a fixed wing force would open up with Alpha and Golf bombs (look them up, they are pretty awesome) and then put the stops down. at 300 knots a LAAR is going to get there before rotary no matter what so he can orbit on station and fix the enemy with fires while the FF CDR puts down stops. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 4:53:13 PM EST
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Fair enough. And obviously every patrol wouldn't rate. But the prioritization would happen at the, in Afghanistan, the Provincial level. 6 aircraft in each "priority" province and a 2-4 ships in secondary provinces. Helos generally operate in flights of 2 for self recovery. Which isn't an issue with fixed wing. 1 LAAR would give you the same coverage as about 10 rotary wing due to maintenance, endurance and the ability to operate independently. So for all of afghanistan figure 6 priority provinces and 4 secondary. 50 operational aircraft total. This would COMPLETELY replace attack and scout rotary and provide 90% of on-call CAS outside JSOC elements while greatly increasing efficacy (ie killing mother fuckers and deterring others) this, of course, necessitates apportioned aircraft to the BSO and would never be allowed by the AF, which neuters the whole point of LAAR in the first place. Which, I suspect with much history to support my opinion, is the point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm just trying to understand the scope of how many sorties per day would be needed if your objective is to have armed overwatch of every element outside of the wire. Any guess how many hours of cover that would be a month? Fair enough. And obviously every patrol wouldn't rate. But the prioritization would happen at the, in Afghanistan, the Provincial level. 6 aircraft in each "priority" province and a 2-4 ships in secondary provinces. Helos generally operate in flights of 2 for self recovery. Which isn't an issue with fixed wing. 1 LAAR would give you the same coverage as about 10 rotary wing due to maintenance, endurance and the ability to operate independently. So for all of afghanistan figure 6 priority provinces and 4 secondary. 50 operational aircraft total. This would COMPLETELY replace attack and scout rotary and provide 90% of on-call CAS outside JSOC elements while greatly increasing efficacy (ie killing mother fuckers and deterring others) this, of course, necessitates apportioned aircraft to the BSO and would never be allowed by the AF, which neuters the whole point of LAAR in the first place. Which, I suspect with much history to support my opinion, is the point. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 4:54:15 PM EST
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Good. It about time they decided to defund the A10 in pursuit of realistic options for the wars we fight. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:05:06 PM EST
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:06:18 PM EST
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The AF dumped the T-37 Tweet and has been training stateside NATO student pilots in the T-6A Texan II for nearly ten years now. https://www.withfriendship.com/images/i/44598/modern-t6a-texan-ii-and-world.jpg shit plane, shit HP for what you need despite what the cocksuckers from kansas will tell you. it aint got shit on the super T |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:09:55 PM EST
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Dead and permanently disabled military personnel really add up in the long run budget-wise, a cheap plane that simply provided overwatch for convoys and stopped a good percentage of IED attacks could have recouped much of its cost by now. not even fucking close the LAA will not prevent IEDs, maybe save some lives after a hit, but then again unless the airfield is close, you will be waiting a while on a airQRF from a turboprop |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:11:35 PM EST
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Why bother giving them a choice? There are plenty of people who would agree to become fighter pilots as a condition for employment. your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:13:00 PM EST
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your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why bother giving them a choice? There are plenty of people who would agree to become fighter pilots as a condition for employment. your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf Are the hours for the fighter bubbas still low? Is it the deployment cycle? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:21:43 PM EST
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can't be that complicated. its 10 times cheaper than flying an F15E or F22. so how much actual experience do you have in it, like actually flying/loading and doing a mission in it??? its not about a 1 million dollar plane, and some guns. That's is doable in a shit hole 3rd world country. or do you want, encrypted comms, ability to track/ find/kill HVIs and coordinate that with the ground dudes/C2/other assets?? Oh you want weapons as well, but what about ISR capabilities, oh you want it persistent as well, oh fuck, is should be overhead as well when you go into battle, whose gonna build the FARPs/rwy in Indian country, what about all the data it collects, you gonna beam that up scotty or do you need a secure comms/secured data center, you want bombs you say, well how to re-supply a slow ass plane in country with no loggy trail, well fuck just use rockets, drop a pallet off at the road intersection. Youre out of your league donnie |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:26:00 PM EST
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which is why SOCOM gets AC-130s from beginning to end. thats what actual air support looks like. So you mean an asset that is so specialized it can do only 1 mission and only at night, that what air support is???? I would think you would have learned something from insects by now |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:27:46 PM EST
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1 LAAR would give you the same coverage as about 10 rotary wing due to maintenance, endurance and the ability to operate independently. 50 operational aircraft total. This would COMPLETELY replace attack and scout rotary and provide 90% of on-call CAS outside JSOC elements while greatly increasing efficacy (ie killing mother fuckers and deterring others) have you ever been to AFG??? you are out out lunch |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:28:56 PM EST
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shit plane, shit HP for what you need despite what the cocksuckers from kansas will tell you. it aint got shit on the super T Actually no according to their combat service in Vietnam , the super tweet provided excellent close air support . But of course that's was all lies right? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:31:14 PM EST
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Not really. A LAAR air strip is 48 hours of basic bladework. sure land on a dirt road, where are your bombs/fuel/bullets/and comms feed? oh don't forget those |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:34:23 PM EST
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at 300 knots a LAAR is going to get there before rotary no matter what are you smoking crack? Do you even know shit about drag? max speed on a stripped down jet is not the same as a combat loaded model, oh wait you wanted persistence? What about those drop tanks, or you wanted rockets as well, welp cant do all that. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:41:54 PM EST
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Are the hours for the fighter bubbas still low? Is it the deployment cycle? bothish hours are okay, the problem experience is at a all time low. We have a million mission sets to train for, but when you peanut butter spread, you just get a shit smear after a deployment. Deployments are a killer, 6 months that get extended to 8 months, come home fly your ass off to get "up to speed" on other mission, PCS-congrats back to the desert, do it all over again-you then to tun into a zombie after you spent more years in the ME than in the AF |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:42:03 PM EST
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sure land on a dirt road, where are your bombs/fuel/bullets/and comms feed? oh don't forget those It's almost like the Army already has a mission profile where they support forward operating aircraft from rapidly constructed logistical centers. They even have a term for it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:44:49 PM EST
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the super tweet provided excellent close air support . But of course that's was all lies right? super T is not the super Tweet there smart guy 
the tweet has shit for legs, have you flown it or just quoting the internet?? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:46:34 PM EST
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super T is not the super Tweet there smart guy
the tweet has shit for legs, have you flown it or just quoting the internet?? We dont need a fucking tucano its foreign made... |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:48:44 PM EST
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It's almost like the Army already has a mission profile where they support forward operating aircraft from rapidly constructed logistical centers. They even have a term for it. No shit- I had no idea
So tell me the differences in RW service and what you expect a LAA to perform through its full mission set?? I'll wait or you do even know what is full mission set is??? again if you just want a aircraft with guns/rockets, a dirt road is fine but then again you're limiting capabilities. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:49:25 PM EST
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Not really. A LAAR air strip is 48 hours of basic bladework. 48 hours is a little optimistic but probably close for short term ops. Sustained operations is a whole different animal. I ran into that issue in '04 in AFG. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:49:32 PM EST
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your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf i die inside a little more every time you say this. flying fighters was literally the only thing i wanted to do as a kid, all the way through HS, writing letters for AFA recs. would have done anything to be a fighter pilot. then one of my eyes went nearsighted, vision standards were unwaiverable, and that was the end of that. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 5:49:45 PM EST
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We dont need a fucking tucano its foreign made... have you been in one I've flown both, have you?????????? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:07:20 PM EST
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or you do even know what is full mission set is??? again if you just want a aircraft with guns/rockets, a dirt road is fine but then again you're limiting capabilities. What do you see as a full mission set for an aircraft like this? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:25:36 PM EST
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You mean like Mattis refusing to aid ODA 574? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They know the boss is going to shove their non support of his Marines up their ass. He has a long memory of AF antics and bullshit during a war where his Marines were bleeding while AF generals played games. They earned it. You mean like Mattis refusing to aid ODA 574? What, you mean you can't just run into the CO's office in a panic and ZOMG drop everything and come running... There is a reason that the JOC/SOC/TOC keeps track of who is where, what everyone is doing, what they need...so that when things go wrong, responses are quick and pre-planned. Or...just run into the CO's office and demand support for things that he didn't even know were ongoing.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:52:04 PM EST
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Not really. A LAAR air strip is 48 hours of basic bladework. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The reason for that thought is that it is much easier to ensure that the assets show up in the order you want them if they all leave from the same location. This could work with an LAAR escort but would require that all the Fireforce bases be capable of rotary and fixed wing operations which may be limiting. Not really. A LAAR air strip is 48 hours of basic bladework. A Super Tucano needs about 1900 feet available just for landing ground roll and no allowance for overruns at the ends. The takeoff and landing distance over a standard 50 foot obstacle will add considerable length that has to be prepared to clear the approach end, and maybe the departure end. The ST has a wing span of 37 feet. The runway should be a little wider than 37 feet for something that looks like safe operation. Threshold and runway edge lighting would be nice unless you're going to restrict operation to daylight. Bring a roller to follow the dozer's work. Plus extra propellers. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:55:29 PM EST
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What, you mean you can't just run into the CO's office in a panic and ZOMG drop everything and come running... There is a reason that the JOC/SOC/TOC keeps track of who is where, what everyone is doing, what they need...so that when things go wrong, responses are quick and pre-planned. Or...just run into the CO's office and demand support for things that he didn't even know were ongoing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They know the boss is going to shove their non support of his Marines up their ass. He has a long memory of AF antics and bullshit during a war where his Marines were bleeding while AF generals played games. They earned it. You mean like Mattis refusing to aid ODA 574? What, you mean you can't just run into the CO's office in a panic and ZOMG drop everything and come running... There is a reason that the JOC/SOC/TOC keeps track of who is where, what everyone is doing, what they need...so that when things go wrong, responses are quick and pre-planned. Or...just run into the CO's office and demand support for things that he didn't even know were ongoing. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 6:59:34 PM EST
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A Super Tucano needs about 1900 feet available just for landing ground roll and no allowance for overruns at the ends. The takeoff and landing distance over a standard 50 foot obstacle will add considerable length that has to be prepared to clear the approach end, and maybe the departure end. The ST has a wing span of 37 feet. The runway should be a little wider than 37 feet for something that looks like safe operation. Threshold and runway edge lighting would be nice unless you're going to restrict operation to daylight. Bring a roller to follow the dozer's work. Plus extra propellers. Don't forget all the logistics convoys he would have to continually run out to these remote locations in his attempt to prevent IED casualties with airpower. That is unless he wants to fly in everything he needs to operate his "affordable" aircraft. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:00:23 PM EST
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If you want speed 90% of it can be done with surface to surface missiles. The loiter time is infinite and they can launch in minutes or less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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your right, we would have to set up a airfield close the the action because the LAA dosn't have the legs to get in country, nor the speed to get there before the HVI leaves when he only pops up for a few hours Its funny how people dont understand completely different mission sets but they beat their chest for the LAA in all situations If you want speed 90% of it can be done with surface to surface missiles. The loiter time is infinite and they can launch in minutes or less. That's what the airforce doesn't understand, that the CAS they do from 20,000 feet is easily replaced by missiles and artillery. All the deep strike they do on non fixed infrastructure is mostly a waste of ordinance. If you read AARs from the Gulf war, Kosovo, or OIF, the idea of Counterland is a myth. Even the 3rd world militaries are able to decieve, survive and remain functional. When you understand this, you quickly come to the realization that after air dominance, CAS is typically the most important mission the Air Force has and will do. This is no suprised to anyone who understands joint doctrine, which states that the combined effects of multi-domain capabilities working in concert is more lethal and effective. The most important and unique capability that manned aircraft executing CAS can provide is reconnaissance. Aircraft that can identify and execute their own targets, and provide additional information to the ground commander are extremely useful. Some flying communities can accomplish all these tasks simultaneously, others cannot. 99% of the fixed wing Air Force doesn't. The way we currently do CAS, most fixed wing platforms are not helpful with reconnaissance and reporting on the situation. They are easily replaced by mortars, artillery or missiles. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:08:00 PM EST
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Don't forget all the logistics convoys he would have to continually run out to these remote locations in his attempt to prevent IED casualties with airpower. That is unless he wants to fly in everything he needs to operate his "affordable" aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Super Tucano needs about 1900 feet available just for landing ground roll and no allowance for overruns at the ends. The takeoff and landing distance over a standard 50 foot obstacle will add considerable length that has to be prepared to clear the approach end, and maybe the departure end. The ST has a wing span of 37 feet. The runway should be a little wider than 37 feet for something that looks like safe operation. Threshold and runway edge lighting would be nice unless you're going to restrict operation to daylight. Bring a roller to follow the dozer's work. Plus extra propellers. Don't forget all the logistics convoys he would have to continually run out to these remote locations in his attempt to prevent IED casualties with airpower. That is unless he wants to fly in everything he needs to operate his "affordable" aircraft. Or you could just build out your airstrip to 3000 to 3500 ft to make it C-130 usable for your resupply operations. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:11:26 PM EST
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you really have no clue can we buy it? yep, can we build/transition make the pilots to employ it NO FUCKING WAY even if we did away with the sacred cow. why the fuck haven't you realized this- ever We cannot even train enough to keep up with the even smaller pool of jets, no one wants to do it. We have open slots all the time, its not about just shitting bodies to fill slots, we cannot get anyone to do it. Only idiots say "just have enlisted fly" Its a false argument to cover the fact they are clueless on what it takes to generate a competant pilot fine put them in there and have them start dropping bombs/shooting around you with the basic experience. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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AF has been lying about procuring LAARs since 2006 at the latest. you really have no clue can we buy it? yep, can we build/transition make the pilots to employ it NO FUCKING WAY even if we did away with the sacred cow. why the fuck haven't you realized this- ever We cannot even train enough to keep up with the even smaller pool of jets, no one wants to do it. We have open slots all the time, its not about just shitting bodies to fill slots, we cannot get anyone to do it. Only idiots say "just have enlisted fly" Its a false argument to cover the fact they are clueless on what it takes to generate a competant pilot fine put them in there and have them start dropping bombs/shooting around you with the basic experience. In 15 years, the AF couldn't find a few thousand guys who want to fly CAS missions? The Army/Marines found hundreds of thousands willing to drive/walk around in the enemie's hometown. Sounds like the "zipper suited sun gods" are better described as a bunch of slack jawed, self serving faggots. I bet we could find enough qualified former infantry officers, to man this program for a decade. It would only take a few years to get them trained, and unlike Air Force pilots, they have a clue about what is going on down where the dying is happening. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:11:32 PM EST
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Good. It about time they decided to defund the A10 in pursuit of realistic options for the wars we fight. A10 will have a legacy like the B52. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:14:49 PM EST
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That's what the airforce doesn't understand, that the CAS they do from 20,000 feet is easily replaced by missiles and artillery. All the deep strike they do on non fixed infrastructure is mostly a waste of ordinance. If you read AARs from the Gulf war, Kosovo, or OIF, the idea of Counterland is a myth. Even the 3rd world militaries are able to decieve, survive and remain functional. When you understand this, you quickly come to the realization that after air dominance, CAS is typically the most important mission the Air Force has and will do. This is no suprised to anyone who understands joint doctrine, which states that the combined effects of multi-domain capabilities working in concert is more lethal and effective. The most important and unique capability that manned aircraft executing CAS can provide is reconnaissance. Aircraft that can identify and execute their own targets, and provide additional information to the ground commander are extremely useful. Some flying communities can accomplish all these tasks simultaneously, others cannot. 99% of the fixed wing Air Force doesn't. The way we currently do CAS, most fixed wing platforms are not helpful with reconnaissance and reporting on the situation. They are easily replaced by mortars, artillery or missiles. Using air and land power together forces the enemy to make hard choices. He can stay in one place and be hammered from the ground or he can move and be hammered from the air. Artillery is useful across the FLOT but once you get more than a few miles in your sensors can't generate the fire missions. That's why interdiction is the most important Air Force tactical mission. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:16:36 PM EST
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So you mean an asset that is so specialized it can do only 1 mission and only at night, that what air support is???? I would think you would have learned something from insects by now 2005-2007 the CJSOAC CDR refused to allow the 130 crews to fly during the day in Iraq. Wouldn't assume the risk. That's a fact. Would you like to guess which service had a random O6 laying around to fulfill that slot? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:17:54 PM EST
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i die inside a little more every time you say this. flying fighters was literally the only thing i wanted to do as a kid, all the way through HS, writing letters for AFA recs. would have done anything to be a fighter pilot. then one of my eyes went nearsighted, vision standards were unwaiverable, and that was the end of that. Every pilot or WSO from the USAF I ever met had a science degree; mathematics, physics, etc. Very smart fellows for sure. One of my friends from CAFB was an F111 weapons systems officer that was PCS'd to WPAFB for his masters in material engineering. He earned one B grade in his first semester and out of the Air Force he went. He had to maintain all A's to stay in, but didn't so he was kicked out. Point being, I believe the USAF wants every pilot to be astronaut material. USMC allows you to have a degree in anything, as long as you have the G2 to pass the ASTB. "Poli-sci and you fly" is what one NFO told me. Maybe it's a cyclical thing, but my son's OSO said aviation contracts for candidates are backed up to summer 2018 before anything will be open. IOWs, at least one service has no problem finding applicants to be pilots. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:21:17 PM EST
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In 15 years, the AF couldn't find a few thousand guys who want to fly CAS missions? The Army/Marines found hundreds of thousands willing to drive/walk around in the enemie's hometown. Sounds like the "zipper suited sun gods" are better described as a bunch of slack jawed, self serving faggots. I bet we could find enough qualified former infantry officers, to man this program for a decade. It would only take a few years to get them trained, and unlike Air Force pilots, they have a clue about what is going on down where the dying is happening. The USAF recruited Army helo pilots to fly the MV-22 back in the 2007-2008 time frame. The incentive was a commission from CW whatever in the Army to Captain in the USAF. Some were my neighbors and they were having a blast at NRAS learning to fly that aircraft. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:30:41 PM EST
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your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why bother giving them a choice? There are plenty of people who would agree to become fighter pilots as a condition for employment. your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf I live a few miles from the Air Force Academy, and I deal with cadets regularly. 99% of them want to be pilots. 87% are forced to do something else. All you are telling us, is that the Air Force personnel management is just as fucked up and retarded as their C2 concepts, CAS support and work ethic. There are jobs where we need to beg people to stay in the military for 20 years, then there are pilots. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:32:44 PM EST
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so how much actual experience do you have in it, like actually flying/loading and doing a mission in it??? its not about a 1 million dollar plane, and some guns. That's is doable in a shit hole 3rd world country. or do you want, encrypted comms, ability to track/ find/kill HVIs and coordinate that with the ground dudes/C2/other assets?? Oh you want weapons as well, but what about ISR capabilities, oh you want it persistent as well, oh fuck, is should be overhead as well when you go into battle, whose gonna build the FARPs/rwy in Indian country, what about all the data it collects, you gonna beam that up scotty or do you need a secure comms/secured data center, you want bombs you say, well how to re-supply a slow ass plane in country with no loggy trail, well fuck just use rockets, drop a pallet off at the road intersection. Youre out of your league donnie Quote HistoryQuoted:
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can't be that complicated. its 10 times cheaper than flying an F15E or F22. so how much actual experience do you have in it, like actually flying/loading and doing a mission in it??? its not about a 1 million dollar plane, and some guns. That's is doable in a shit hole 3rd world country. or do you want, encrypted comms, ability to track/ find/kill HVIs and coordinate that with the ground dudes/C2/other assets?? Oh you want weapons as well, but what about ISR capabilities, oh you want it persistent as well, oh fuck, is should be overhead as well when you go into battle, whose gonna build the FARPs/rwy in Indian country, what about all the data it collects, you gonna beam that up scotty or do you need a secure comms/secured data center, you want bombs you say, well how to re-supply a slow ass plane in country with no loggy trail, well fuck just use rockets, drop a pallet off at the road intersection. Youre out of your league donnie The Army already does all of this for UAVs, C130s and helicopters... Out of your league indeed. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:33:29 PM EST
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We dont need a fucking tucano its foreign made...
You know our military uses equipment and vehicles from all over the world, right? Just the Air Force has aircraft from a half dozen countries. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:34:53 PM EST
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Or you could just build out your airstrip to 3000 to 3500 ft to make it C-130 usable for your resupply operations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Super Tucano needs about 1900 feet available just for landing ground roll and no allowance for overruns at the ends. The takeoff and landing distance over a standard 50 foot obstacle will add considerable length that has to be prepared to clear the approach end, and maybe the departure end. The ST has a wing span of 37 feet. The runway should be a little wider than 37 feet for something that looks like safe operation. Threshold and runway edge lighting would be nice unless you're going to restrict operation to daylight. Bring a roller to follow the dozer's work. Plus extra propellers. Don't forget all the logistics convoys he would have to continually run out to these remote locations in his attempt to prevent IED casualties with airpower. That is unless he wants to fly in everything he needs to operate his "affordable" aircraft. That is not a 48 hour runway. Now you're going to worry about the California Bearing Rating of the surfaces. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:35:52 PM EST
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Or you could just build out your airstrip to 3000 to 3500 ft to make it C-130 usable for your resupply operations. 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:38:22 PM EST
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Give the A-10 to the Army.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:44:54 PM EST
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Why are we even discussing buying this POS?
Every war isnt going to be against medieval tribesman and even they can control the low Alts with decent manpads and AA barrels. Those are the kind of wars you project for. I'd feel better with a B1 or B52 zipping around with about 40 2,000 lb GPS or Lazer guided's falling on top of whomever. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:48:24 PM EST
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In 15 years, the AF couldn't find a few thousand guys who want to fly CAS missions? The Army/Marines found hundreds of thousands willing to drive/walk around in the enemie's hometown. Sounds like the "zipper suited sun gods" are better described as a bunch of slack jawed, self serving faggots. I bet we could find enough qualified former infantry officers, to man this program for a decade. It would only take a few years to get them trained, and unlike Air Force pilots, they have a clue about what is going on down where the dying is happening. So why dont they? They dont have a sgt to help the LT with the map to the air force recruiting office? If its easy, why isnt everyone doing it? You guys crack me up. Forget about it TaylorWSO. All these guys that never flew fighters are definitely experts, and any moron could do the job anyway. I figure if you cant beat em, join em. So I signed up over at sofnet, and have been educating the Tier 1 guys there on the finer points of dynamic entries, and occasionally I even throw out a pearl of wisdom or two on counter-sniper operations. I never knew how much I knew about things Ive never done, until I talked about it on the internet. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:53:30 PM EST
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Why are we even discussing buying this POS? Every war isnt going to be against medieval tribesman and even they can control the low Alts with decent manpads and AA barrels. Those are the kind of wars you project for. I'd feel better with a B1 or B52 zipping around with about 40 2,000 lb GPS or Lazer guided's falling on top of whomever. It's always nice to hear the USAF take on things. That this war never mattered anyway. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:56:57 PM EST
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I live a few miles from the Air Force Academy, and I deal with cadets regularly. 99% of them want to be pilots. 87% are forced to do something else. All you are telling us, is that the Air Force personnel management is just as fucked up and retarded as their C2 concepts, CAS support and work ethic. There are jobs where we need to beg people to stay in the military for 20 years, then there are pilots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why bother giving them a choice? There are plenty of people who would agree to become fighter pilots as a condition for employment. your wrong, we cannot fill the slots If you want a 200 meg PPT on it I have it. no one wants to do it despite what you hear on arf I live a few miles from the Air Force Academy, and I deal with cadets regularly. 99% of them want to be pilots. 87% are forced to do something else. All you are telling us, is that the Air Force personnel management is just as fucked up and retarded as their C2 concepts, CAS support and work ethic. There are jobs where we need to beg people to stay in the military for 20 years, then there are pilots. 42% of the class of 2016 got manned aircraft pilot slots. So 58% rather than 87. But let's not let facts interrupt your lack of a point |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:58:51 PM EST
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So why dont they? They dont have a sgt to help the LT with the map to the air force recruiting office? If its easy, why isnt everyone doing it? You guys crack me up. Forget about it TaylorWSO. All these guys that never flew fighters are definitely experts, and any moron could do the job anyway. I figure if you cant beat em, join em. So I signed up over at sofnet, and have been educating the Tier 1 guys there on the finer points of dynamic entries, and occasionally I even throw out a pearl of wisdom or two on counter-sniper operations. I never knew how much I knew about things Ive never done, until I talked about it on the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In 15 years, the AF couldn't find a few thousand guys who want to fly CAS missions? The Army/Marines found hundreds of thousands willing to drive/walk around in the enemie's hometown. Sounds like the "zipper suited sun gods" are better described as a bunch of slack jawed, self serving faggots. I bet we could find enough qualified former infantry officers, to man this program for a decade. It would only take a few years to get them trained, and unlike Air Force pilots, they have a clue about what is going on down where the dying is happening. So why dont they? They dont have a sgt to help the LT with the map to the air force recruiting office? If its easy, why isnt everyone doing it? You guys crack me up. Forget about it TaylorWSO. All these guys that never flew fighters are definitely experts, and any moron could do the job anyway. I figure if you cant beat em, join em. So I signed up over at sofnet, and have been educating the Tier 1 guys there on the finer points of dynamic entries, and occasionally I even throw out a pearl of wisdom or two on counter-sniper operations. I never knew how much I knew about things Ive never done, until I talked about it on the internet. Give me the authority, a staff, a budget and I would make it happen in less than 4 years. I could easily establish a tactical air support unit. I wouldn't need a single active Air Force pilot to do it, nor would I require the current Air Force pilot training program. Make the Airforce Great Again aka MAGA. First step, avoid the sorry excuse of crybabies masquerading as a military service. Wanted: Men who want to kill the enemy from the air. Crybabies, Slack jawed, zipper suited, faggots, who think they are special and want to masterbate to pictures of stealth aircraft, need not apply. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 7:58:54 PM EST
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Why are we even discussing buying this POS? Every war isn't going to be against medieval tribesman and even they can control the low Alts with decent manpads and AA barrels. Those are the kind of wars you project for. I'd feel better with a B1 or B52 zipping around with about 40 2,000 lb GPS or Laser guided's falling on top of whomever. I don't get it either. It's so much easier to adapt a conventional force structure to a COIN fight than the other way around, plus it keeps proxy wars in vogue instead of our potential adversaries from making a serious miscalculation because they believe we're too weak for a stand-up conventional fight. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 8:00:24 PM EST
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It's always nice to hear the USAF take on things. That this war never mattered anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why are we even discussing buying this POS? Every war isnt going to be against medieval tribesman and even they can control the low Alts with decent manpads and AA barrels. Those are the kind of wars you project for. I'd feel better with a B1 or B52 zipping around with about 40 2,000 lb GPS or Lazer guided's falling on top of whomever. It's always nice to hear the USAF take on things. That this war never mattered anyway. In the USAF, apparently you don't only get to choose your job, you choose the aircraft, then you choose what kind of war you want to fight. If only the enemy would cooperate. |
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