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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inflation is the hidden tax. The value of the dollar has certainly dropped significantly because of our policies and spending around this war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If everything stayed the same did your taxes go up a grand? They are printing money. Did my savings and income lose value over a grand is the question. And yes it certainly has. Did your taxes go up ? Inflation is the hidden tax. The value of the dollar has certainly dropped significantly because of our policies and spending around this war. How much has the US spent during the cold war and for what reason? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone wants to be the sole world superpower until it's time to do superpower shit.  The problem is that we are the world's sole superpower but either omnipresent nor omnipotent. Borrowed dollars spent on one priority jeopardize others. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Why does a random Ukrainian deserve my money for his pension? You are beyond twisted. Actually, I’d like to say a lot more to you but I’ll refrain. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:12:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Why? What is the unique claim of Ukraine over say 50 bucks to South Vietnamese servicemen? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I should have to pay $50 for some Ukrainians pension? Wow. Add another 90 or so miles to your tax deductible work miles. There. I fixed your problem. No charge. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:13:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Would you say your loyalties are to Ukraine first and America second? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much has the US spent during the cold war and for what reason? Interesting you bring that up, since Ike argued that a strong economy was better than a strong military, and he was right. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:14:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you doing? Are you doing your part? Tickets to Ukraine can’t be that expensive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone wants to be the sole world superpower until it's time to do superpower shit. What are you doing? Are you doing your part? Tickets to Ukraine can’t be that expensive. I'm doing my part and generating lots of tax revenue. 
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:14:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are printing money. Did my savings and income lose value over a grand is the question. And yes it certainly has. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If everything stayed the same did your taxes go up a grand? They are printing money. Did my savings and income lose value over a grand is the question. And yes it certainly has. “They” are not printing money to give to Ukraine or otherwise. Whoever the fuck “they” is Unless you care to share your link to all the secret info you have? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:15:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in other threads you are against Social Security but here you are for funding Ukrainian pensions. Would you say your loyalties are to Ukraine first and America second? I'm not for either. The Ukrainian pensions are a drop in the bucket tho. Social security is a slow motion financial catastrophe for the United States. These are not even in the same universe of problems. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:15:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does a random Ukrainian deserve my money for his pension? You are beyond twisted. Actually, I’d like to say a lot more to you but I’ll refrain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. Why does a random Ukrainian deserve my money for his pension? You are beyond twisted. Actually, I’d like to say a lot more to you but I’ll refrain. If $50 is going to break your bank, maybe you shouldn't be spending half that on a membership here. Might look into some budgeting classes. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm doing my part and generating lots of tax revenue. Why stop at $50? Why not take every cent I earn to give to some Ukrainian retiree? They deserve it more than me I guess. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much has the US spent during the cold war and for what reason? The cold war was pretty much done 30 years ago. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “They” are not printing money to give to Ukraine or otherwise. Whoever the fuck “they” is Unless you care to share your link to all the secret info you have? Wow. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:17:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If $50 is going to break your bank, maybe you shouldn't be spending half that on a membership here. Might look into some budgeting classes. It’s about the principle my guy. All you do is cheer on other men fighting and dying. Yet you do and have done nothing to jeopardize yourself personally. It’s a football game to you. Go team go. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in other threads you are against Social Security but here you are for funding Ukrainian pensions. Would you say your loyalties are to Ukraine first and America second? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. Would you say your loyalties are to Ukraine first and America second? Except "pensions" isn't retirement pay, if you read the link. It's actually a mischaracterization of it. It's pay for first responders like firemen and medics, who seem to be working overtime with all the civilian targets Russia is striking. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:18:02 PM EDT
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Joe can go fuck himself.
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inflation is a tax. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did your taxes go up ? Inflation is a tax. So giving money to Ukraine causes inflation And inflation is a tax Therefore your “taxes” have went up because of Ukraine? Can you please sign me up for the economic newsletter that you study that provides you with such astute understanding of macroeconomics? I’m seriously dying to read it |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:18:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not for either. The Ukrainian pensions are a drop in the bucket tho. Social security is a slow motion financial catastrophe for the United States. These are not even in the same universe of problems. Yes a drop in the bucket. A few billion drops in the bucket here and a few billion there and pretty soon the bucket is full. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:18:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much has went to Ukraine pensions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually... Ukraine has only really cost each American household ~$209, which would be commensurate with the amount of financial aid we've sent. The rest has gone really gone to sourcing new, updated equipment for our military. And yes, I care more about buying our military brand new gear than welfare leaches, as any good Conservative should.  How much has went to Ukraine pensions? Wasn't one of your primary goals to kill Russians ?: How much of your training and taxpayers money spent to achieve that? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:18:44 PM EDT
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@fadedsun how much is too much to pay?
What would you do if someone told you to fight for freedom? Would you answer the call or run away like a little pussy? Cause the only reason that you're here is 'cause folks died for you in the past. So maybe now it's your turn to die kicking some ass.Freedom isn't free. It costs folks like you and me, and if we don't all chip in, we'll never pay that bill. Freedom isn't free, no, there's a hefty fuckin' fee, and if you don't throw in your buck 'o five, who will? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why stop at $50? Why not take every cent I earn to give to some Ukrainian retiree? They deserve it more than me I guess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm doing my part and generating lots of tax revenue. Why stop at $50? Why not take every cent I earn to give to some Ukrainian retiree? They deserve it more than me I guess. Except that's not what's happening. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:19:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So giving money to Ukraine causes inflation And inflation is a tax Therefore your “taxes” have went up because of Ukraine? Can you please sign me up for the economic newsletter that you study that provides you with such astute understanding of macroeconomics? I’m seriously dying to read it Do you NOT get how inflation is a tax or are you saying there is no link between inflation and government spending? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:19:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yes. Wow! |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:20:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except that's not what's happening. Why not? If they deserve $50 of my earnings then why not 100%? How much of my labor are they entitled to? We have already established my labor should go to Ukrainian pensions. We are not squabbling over how much. Why not all? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:21:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “They” are not printing money to give to Ukraine or otherwise. Whoever the fuck “they” is Unless you care to share your link to all the secret info you have? Wow. I’m holding my breath waiting for that link, hot rod. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s about the principle my guy. All you do is cheer on other men fighting and dying. Yet you do and have done nothing to jeopardize yourself personally. It’s a football game to you. Go team go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If $50 is going to break your bank, maybe you shouldn't be spending half that on a membership here. Might look into some budgeting classes. It’s about the principle my guy. All you do is cheer on other men fighting and dying. Yet you do and have done nothing to jeopardize yourself personally. It’s a football game to you. Go team go. So what? "Work smarter, not harder." I'd think a veteran of the armed services would be ecstatic to see an enemy of America he faced and we spent $22 trillion dollars building up against be destroyed without the risk to any of his fellow servicemen at the cost of just $113 billion. 
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:22:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except "pensions" isn't retirement pay, if you read the link. It's actually a mischaracterization of it. It's pay for first responders like firemen and medics, who seem to be working overtime with all the civilian targets Russia is striking. I want to believe! |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @fadedsun how much is too much to pay? What would you do if someone told you to fight for freedom? Would you answer the call or run away like a little pussy? Cause the only reason that you're here is 'cause folks died for you in the past. So maybe now it's your turn to die kicking some ass.Freedom isn't free. It costs folks like you and me, and if we don't all chip in, we'll never pay that bill. Freedom isn't free, no, there's a hefty fuckin' fee, and if you don't throw in your buck 'o five, who will? lol, he literally hasn't even posted in this thread.  Obsession 87... by Calvin Klein |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:23:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what? "Work smarter, not harder." I'd think a veteran of the armed services would be ecstatic to see an enemy of America he faced and we spent $22 trillion dollars building up against be destroyed without the risk to any of his fellow servicemen at the cost of just $113 billion. I put America first. You should try it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not? If they deserve $50 of my earnings then why not 100%? How much of my labor are they entitled to? We have already established my labor should go to Ukrainian pensions. We are not squabbling over how much. Why not all? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Except that's not what's happening. Why not? If they deserve $50 of my earnings then why not 100%? How much of my labor are they entitled to? We have already established my labor should go to Ukrainian pensions. We are not squabbling over how much. Why not all? There's no need to be melodramatic. Where's this level of outrage over the ~$950 of your labor going towards EBT every single year? Or the $3,150 that went towards COVID fraud? Seems you have a serious problem with perspective. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:24:58 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m holding my breath waiting for that link, hot rod. Are you seriously saying that inflation isn't a hidden tax. I mean, now, I gots to know. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put America first. You should try it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what? "Work smarter, not harder." I'd think a veteran of the armed services would be ecstatic to see an enemy of America he faced and we spent $22 trillion dollars building up against be destroyed without the risk to any of his fellow servicemen at the cost of just $113 billion. I put America first. You should try it. Destroying the military and economy of the largest ally to China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba isn't? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no need to be melodramatic. Where's this level of outrage over the ~$950 of your labor going towards EBT every single year? Or the $3,150 that went towards COVID fraud? Seems you have a serious problem with perspective. Or I am against all of those. So there’s that. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you NOT get how inflation is a tax or are you saying there is no link between inflation and government spending? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So giving money to Ukraine causes inflation And inflation is a tax Therefore your “taxes” have went up because of Ukraine? Can you please sign me up for the economic newsletter that you study that provides you with such astute understanding of macroeconomics? I’m seriously dying to read it Do you NOT get how inflation is a tax or are you saying there is no link between inflation and government spending? Government spending is ONE factor in inflation, yes. But the government giving Ukraine money hasn’t caused inflation. You can’t pick and choose which spending caused it and this is money that is already been budgeted to be spent. The wheels of inflation began turning long before Biden was even the presidential nominee. I’m sure there are plenty of people here that will lap your argument though. So keep posting that nonsense. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:26:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does a random Ukrainian deserve my money for his pension? You are beyond twisted. Actually, I’d like to say a lot more to you but I’ll refrain. SO if that was dropped would you support it? Also no. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:26:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, he literally hasn't even posted in this thread. Obsession 87... by Calvin Klein He's our expert, who better? Maybe you could tell us how much we should all spend? ETA: problem solved! |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:27:13 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Destroying the military and economy of the largest ally to China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba isn't? Russia is not a threat to the U.S. unless it’s nuclear. China is but you won’t admit that because war brides or whatever twisted motives you have for your fanaticism for one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no need to be melodramatic. Where's this level of outrage over the ~$950 of your labor going towards EBT every single year? Or the $3,150 that went towards COVID fraud? Seems you have a serious problem with perspective. These are more whataboutism and red herring arguments. Plenty of people have issues with the topics you mention. Try to stay on topic, thanks. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is $60B worth of oil gone. This is related to the sanctions on Russian oil and how this has been absorbed. It won't be much longer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322769/oil_jpg-2915532.JPG FYI: Analysis: Surging U.S. crude oil exports disrupt European, Asian prices If we're not filling up the SPR, take it up with Joe. Has nothing to do with Ukraine. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you seriously saying that inflation isn't a hidden tax. I mean, now, I gots to know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m holding my breath waiting for that link, hot rod. Are you seriously saying that inflation isn't a hidden tax. I mean, now, I gots to know. 70k posts so I’m going to assume you know how to multi quote. I was asking him to provide me the link of info of “them” printing money to give to Ukraine. But you already knew that. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Government spending is ONE factor in inflation, yes. But the government giving Ukraine money hasn’t caused inflation. You can’t pick and choose which spending caused it and this is money that is already been budgeted to be spent. The wheels of inflation began turning long before Biden was even the presidential nominee. I’m sure there are plenty of people here that will lap your argument though. So keep posting that nonsense. No. that's not what I asked. Is inflation a hidden tax? |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:28:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the informed and civil discussion. With points like that, it's no wonder 80%+ of arfcom is against ukebroism. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's what I was pointing out. This is just another uKrAiNe sUcKs thread with the same posters spouting the same tired schtick. Not a single person has changed their view about the war by reading one of these threads so why do they keep being posted? Like monkeys at the zoo sucking themselves off and flinging shit at anyone who dares to disagree. Thanks for the informed and civil discussion. With points like that, it's no wonder 80%+ of arfcom is against ukebroism. Sadly I haven't seen the super important Arfcom poll in the last dozen threads or GDP of assistance per country that was always the crowd favorite. Have a banana.. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SO if that was dropped would you support it? Also no. I’ll call Biden up right now and tell him he gets my support. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. that's not what I asked. Is inflation a hidden tax? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Government spending is ONE factor in inflation, yes. But the government giving Ukraine money hasn’t caused inflation. You can’t pick and choose which spending caused it and this is money that is already been budgeted to be spent. The wheels of inflation began turning long before Biden was even the presidential nominee. I’m sure there are plenty of people here that will lap your argument though. So keep posting that nonsense. No. that's not what I asked. Is inflation a hidden tax? You actually asked two questions. I chose to answer one and ignore the other since I’m not really debating whether or not inflation is a “hidden tax” since it’s irrelevant and can’t be really proven either way. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:30:46 PM EDT
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If GD logic had prevailed, it wouldn't be WWI and WWII. It would be European War I and European War II. And Jewish people would only be some people from the bible.
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or I am against all of those. So there’s that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There's no need to be melodramatic. Where's this level of outrage over the ~$950 of your labor going towards EBT every single year? Or the $3,150 that went towards COVID fraud? Seems you have a serious problem with perspective. Or I am against all of those. So there’s that. Great! So why is 99% of your online outrage focused on 1.5% of the your "cost"? Seems odd. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:31:54 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Government spending is ONE factor in inflation, yes. But the government giving Ukraine money hasn't caused inflation. You can't pick and choose which spending caused it and this is money that is already been budgeted to be spent. The wheels of inflation began turning long before Biden was even the presidential nominee. I'm sure there are plenty of people here that will lap your argument though. So keep posting that nonsense. I want to believe! |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great! So why is 99% of your online outrage focused on 1.5% of the your "cost"? Seems odd. Post a Covid or EBT thread then. I’ll be right there. What’s odd is your fascination of watching other men fighting and dying and cheering from your couch like it’s a football game. You could go fight tomorrow but you won’t. No Uke bro will. |
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Posted: 8/10/2023 11:32:58 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is not a threat to the U.S. unless it’s nuclear. China is but you won’t admit that because war brides or whatever twisted motives you have for your fanaticism for one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Destroying the military and economy of the largest ally to China, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba isn't? Russia is not a threat to the U.S. unless it’s nuclear. China is but you won’t admit that because war brides or whatever twisted motives you have for your fanaticism for one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. China absolutely is and we're destroying their biggest ally. Going to be hard for China to run its economic engine on Russian crude when Russia is increasingly incapable of producing it as they're forced to sink more and more men and financial resources into their quagmire, isn't it? |
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