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So basically best case scenario right now the senate will just block new 12+ round mags (and grandfather what's already here), similar to CO, and everyone will go to WV, PA, TN, etc. to get them instead. LEOs won't bother because there is nothing for them to enforce. Great plan. I feel safer.

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You're assuming all Republicans vote against it

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And in that case, the likelihood is VA turns out just like NJ, NY, CA, CT and MD under slightly different laws... the majority keep quiet and there are a few lawsuits that languish for years as these unconstitutional infringements stay on the books and get normalized.  Gun owners sigh relief they didn’t get shafted completely, and relax, just as democrats want them to.

And dems will take the next planned step one or two mass shootings from now and pass registration.  And keep going step by incremental step.  So no one ever goes hot, because they are incrementally chipping away as the pot slowly comes to a boil.

Dems backed off just like they planned.  If they had passed SB16 or whatever it was called, boogaloo would be in full swing.  Instead they sandbagged  the state, acted like they were going for the kit and kaboodle, and backed off just enough so people on the majority will accept the infringements.

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Deeds, Lewis, Edwards, and Petersen have expressed reservations. Lewis has written he would not support a gun or magazine ban, but you need one of the other three.

Dear (insert senator name),

I applaud much of the work you do in the Senate, and would like to continue to vote for you in the future.  That will not be the case, however, unless you vote to block HB 961.

The bill as proposed not only violates the Virginia and US Constitutions, it will also criminalize citizens for retaining possession of firearm magazines that they legally purchased and currently possess.  Someone who never had to defend their life against armed assailants arbitrarily chose “12” as the maximum capacity for a firearm magazine.  No research went into this decision, no studies or survivor interviews were conducted.  It was just picked out of thin air, as a compromise to another number that was arbitrarily chosen previously, the number “10”.

Even if currently owned magazines are grandfathered, the bill is unacceptable, as it will prevent future purchase and possession of standard capacity magazines that are normally shipped from the manufacturer with common handguns, which often accept 15-17 rounds, or even 21.  There should never be a top-end limit to magazines, as the number you will need to defend yourself from multiple assailants is always one more than the number you had to fire to stop the attack.

Multiple studies of police use of force show that when police agencies moved from 6-shooter revolvers to magazine-fed semi-automatic pistols, the number of rounds fired in a violent encounter with an armed suspect went from 6 rounds to every round in the magazine.  In many shootouts, police officers had to reload and use additional rounds, which is why every police officer carries at least one backup magazine.

While a world without violence is something we all may strive to attain, it isn’t the world we live in.  And we do not have personal police officers assigned as bodyguards; citizens must defend themselves from armed assailants for the 9 minute average that is the emergency call response time.  And during those 9 endless minutes, assuming you or someone nearby even manages to call the police, I want my spouse and my child to have every advantage possible to successfully protect themselves from an attack.

Don’t you want the same for your spouse and children?

Please do the right thing, and vote “NO” on HB 961.

Respectfully yours,
(Your name)

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Deeds
GA: 804-698-7525  
District: 434-296-5491
[email protected]

Lewis
GA: 804-698-7506  
District: 757-787-1094
[email protected]

Petersen
GA: 804-698-7534  
District: 703-349-3361
[email protected]

Edwards
GA: 804-698-7521  
District: 540-985-8690
[email protected]

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Shouldn't we be identifying any vulnerable politicians and hammering them for voting in favor of this bill?

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This Sussex delegate is borderline retarded with how she is speaking.

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@Ox45Tall

She also broke with her party and voted against the AWB. I wouldn't piss her off and lose her on this issue because you don't like how she talks which is representative of many who she represents.

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No, in the bill.  It will ban future purchases but not possession of already owned silencers.

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No, in the bill.  It will ban future purchases but not possession of already owned silencers.

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No, in the bill.  It will ban future purchases but not possession of already owned silencers.

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I sent Lee Carter a thank you for voting against HB961, and doing exactly what he said he would do.

I agree with absolutely NONE of his political views, and he may be a socialist, but I respect the man for not caving to party lines on gun issues that will solve nothing.

I will say that I told him upfront we were on the opposite ends of the political spectrum, but he's been respectful and upfront with me and I can respect him as a person for that.

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Has there EVER been a crime committed in the state of VA where a suppressor was used?

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I am glad to hear she voted against HB961, I wasn't expecting that.  I don't have an ounce of political skill in me, so it's hard for me to be nice to people who predominantly oppose the majority of my beliefs.  But, my thanks to her, this time, for her and her constituents effort to vote correctly on this matter.

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Has there EVER been a crime committed in the state of VA where a suppressor was used?

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VA is also now pushing for straight vote and no more electoral college. The majority of their counties are about to be silenced.

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Remember too, when the guns get registered, the data will be HACKED or surreptitiously LEAKED.

Then all the bad guys (other than the government bad guys) will have a list of who owns the best guns.

If you were worried about the fuzz kicking down your door to take your guns, just wait until THE CARTELS have a list of what's in your house.

At least the fuzz make some pretext at "playing by the rules."

The CARTELS don't "play" at all. They'll just fucking kill you. But I hear they do like dogs - so your dog might survive the night, even if you and your family don't.

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Remember too, when the guns get registered, the data will be HACKED or surreptitiously LEAKED.

Then all the bad guys (other than the government bad guys) will have a list of who owns the best guns.

If you were worried about the fuzz kicking down your door to take your guns, just wait until THE CARTELS have a list of what's in your house.

At least the fuzz make some pretext at "playing by the rules."

The CARTELS don't "play" at all. They'll just fucking kill you. But I hear they do like dogs - so your dog might survive the night, even if you and your family don't.

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And in that case, the likelihood is VA turns out just like NJ, NY, CA, CT and MD under slightly different laws... the majority keep quiet and there are a few lawsuits that languish for years as these unconstitutional infringements stay on the books and get normalized.  Gun owners sigh relief they didn't get shafted completely, and relax, just as democrats want them to.

And dems will take the next planned step one or two mass shootings from now and pass registration.  And keep going step by incremental step.  So no one ever goes hot, because they are incrementally chipping away as the pot slowly comes to a boil.

Dems backed off just like they planned.  If they had passed SB16 or whatever it was called, boogaloo would be in full swing.  Instead they sandbagged  the state, acted like they were going for the kit and kaboodle, and backed off just enough so people on the majority will accept the infringements.

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Possible, but plenty of other states register guns and it hasn't been an issue yet. But first time for everything I guess.