Because county lines aren't voting district lines

I don't think it's clear yet whether rewarding stuff like that is useful long term, or if forgiveness will just come off as weakness.  I guess we'll find out either way.

@DocGlockster So skip it?

I’ve worked for banks (branch loans, now mortgages) my entire professional career. Most bank ATMs are serviced by third party providers. They come on schedules (at least once per week). If you depleted the money in one, there would be no long term effect - the service would come on their scheduled day, refill the machine, and that’s that. If the ATMs happen to be serviced by a bank branch, they’ll simply refill the machine and be refilled themselves when their weekly shipment of money comes in. Not sure why this would be monitored by the FBI, or anyone else. If you are legally allowed to cash checks or withdraw money, they won’t be coming after you.

ETA: Most banks have a vault limit of at least $125,000 so you’re really not going to ‘drain the Richmond area of money’ either. Special unscheduled refills, withdrawal requirements, and CTRs are going to keep everything running smoothly.

True, but coupled with the truckers union following through on their veiled threats, it would definitely make things uncomfortable.  Uncomfortable enough that the local populace might make things sporty....

Although, this is all conjecture. With any luck, cooler heads will prevail and Richmond will see the folly of their ways and we will all be left alone.  Back to BBQ, range time and bullshitting on the ‘net over beans/ no beans, 9mm/.45, theft of herby curb, best round for grandpa, etc... One can hope.

He has proven that he responds well to fear.

I'm a bit old school, but when you find what works why change it out? Rewards might work or might not. Fear works. Why roll the dice testing a new theory?

My opinion of the whole “Trucker Union Blockade” is that it’s a red herring. Trucking companies, drivers, unions, stores they deliver to, are in business to make money. Stopping service is not going to make money. Delivering goods to people that need it will make money. If you believe in capitalism you understand goods will be delivered one way or another.
I honestly think folks in this thread have spent too much time offering conjecture about something that was purely rhetorical.

It is quite interesting to see this thread move in the subtle direction it has. Almost like it has by design. Distractions seem to be abound.

We shouldn't lose sight of the objective of the 20th, namely, to send an unmistakeable message to the Legislature (and Guvnah Racist Ralphie, etal) that we simply will not allow these laws to stand. Not only do we not want any gun control bills to pass, we want pro-gun bills to pass. And, our "NO!" message needs to be as effective as possible. Whatever happens after that we will deal with at that time in an equally effective manner. For now, focus on encouraging as many people as possible to join us. Having 30k armed people would send a good message. Having 2000 of those looking like they know what they are about sends a stronger one. Remember those sheriffs that want to form their own militia? The boneheads in the legislature absolutely need to see what that will look like because most of them don't have any inkling of what that is. They need to be shown in dramatic fashion that we have the numbers, the equipment, and the resolve to make our "NO!" decision binding ON THEM rather than the other way around.

However, don't wait until January 20th to contact your legislators. Assuming they have an office, go by there and talk one on one. Let them know that we not only won't comply, but if they support these heinous acts, we will make their life so miserable, they will resign in disgrace and leave the state. Again, remind them that there are gun owners EVERYWHERE they go. Their hairdresser, their car mechanic, their HVAC tech, their favorite cafe, their church (that's a big one), their social clubs (check their personal pages for what social clubs they belong to and mention them when you go to their office), truly everywhere they go, there are gun owners that will blame them personally if they get turned into felons because of their vote. If they hear that from 10-12 people now, then we show up en masse on the 20th, they WILL get the message loud and clear. And, it will terrify them.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears its people, there is liberty.

We must be that picture on the wall. The picture that strikes fear into all who see it. The picture is inanimate and never moves, the picture is silent and never speaks, yet the picture reaches out and touches the very fabric of the subconscious mind and creates terror felt to the core. That is who we must be. We will be that picture and we will prevail.

It appears that there is a significant percentage of people that don't know why they are going.... and just circle the drain coming up with harebrained ideas which show a lack of ability to focus.

Which, obviously, is unsustainable.  Because power.  There should be built-in remedy to kick out constitutional line-crossers & send them packing.

I's prefer it be 10-12 yrs, max.

I'd also impose term limits & scuttle retirement benefits of any kind for political office, because greedy, undisciplined, bacon-taking voters are part & parcel of the problem.

As the guy who used to deliver the money - yep, useless. The ATM service techs will come on the regular days and swap out cassettes. Banks would simply order more from the vaults. Only thing you would increase is armored truck work.

It's a prefect example of how gerrymandered the state is.

Most of the more harebrained ideas are coming from those who will not be attending, but are very quick to tell us what we should do.

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The problem is that we can't really discuss anything practical in this public place, but we must keep communicating here in order for people not to lose attention.  We can't talk about strategies, continencies or anything else of consequence, which leaves everyone chattering about meaningless things.  I don't really see a way to change that until we get much closer to Lobby Day and we get a bit more focused.

You guys working behind the scenes are undoubtedly doing fine. 90% of what's posted here is noise. It pretty much has to be that way.

That is a pretty enlightening clip... We definitely need to be prepared for dealing with that. A lot of us have zero experience in that arena.

Yep.

And him pulling it shows how little he values he has. He's clearly not a gun grabber OR a 2A guy. He's just a faggot in a suit who doesn't even know what he believes.

Shit like this really makes me think of running for office. Everyone might not like me, but they'll at least say "Hey, at least he has a values system."

I'd volunteer for your campaign bro.

I'm in one of the safest districts in the state with some of the best reps myself.

The mainstream media has been supressing what we are doing in Virginia. Your plan could very much help get the word out so we can't be ignored on the 20th.

@christiansoldier

correct.  He offered no justification for it in teh face of pushback.  He's just another Good-Idea Fairy who thinks he has the right to tinker with society as he sees fit.  There's little difference between a Progressive with an R by their name and a Progressive with a D.

One positive thing about the assault on the 2A here (and the resulting pushback) is that a lot of turds are floating to the top of the bowl and showing their true colors. We Virginians are paying attention both at the state and local level, and are actually starting to give a shit. We won't let the masses forget. Memes and infographics are already being prepared for the next election cycle.

I have wondered where they were getting their training. The bigger question for me, and betraying a bit of tin-foilism, is did it come from people who really identified with the ANTIFA message and brought it with them, or is it a more sinister government sponsored/backed method of organization.

Thanks for the insight here Erin. As others have already said, pretty valuable stuff.

You Tennessee guys are safe for now... but it’s happening to you too.

Take a look at your map and see how similar it is to ours. All red with three big blue spots .

This is a national problem and honestly I am not sure how it can be dealt with. Realistically we will never have a state electoral college. What can we do on a legislative level to fix this?

I sure hope that, militia-members or not, those planning on attending are getting together and working on coordination/discipline and working as a team.

I don't only mean that for "snatches"/confrontations and such (as described above), but regarding their overall demeanor and manner of handling themselves during an event of this nature.

This whole situation is deadly serious and I pray citizens (especially those attending/carrying), take it as such.

That is all.

It's a communist/socialist plan. Mess with the high population areas through 1) immigration of people who have never lived under a constitution, to cities 2) stop teaching the constitution in school in cities 3) eliminate voter id for the illegals 4) convince all of these people they have to vote democrat for free healthcare and college. 5)redraw the voting districts after the next population census so the cities/socialists control the government. Then bloomberg will get on with his plan.

There is a large facebook group geared up for that. We should all join.

I love that idea!

Can you even get a list of home addresses to pull off such a thing?

That would be incredibly effective.  Far more than just 30k in Richmond.

It would send messages across the country.

I looked it up. Was going to join until I read their membership questions.

imo this will not go how you think. they will cry wolf and say the evil gun owners are "terrorizing their families" it will be all over the news and give them more ammunition for their cause. do the same idea without firearms present might work

More subversive cuck shit.

If millions of us said in lockstep, in reply to such accusations, "You won't like me as a criminal; don't make me a criminal".....it might go how we think after all.

The whole point of this rally is that we will not cede our rights peacefully.

I would suggest having whatever talk/protest you plan to do with the local legislator BEFORE the 20th. We need all hands on deck in Richmond to make the loudest possible silent statement.

If having a constituent talk to them and help them understand the gravity of the situation causes them to be fearful, they are an idiot but you have accomplished your goal. That, and if they fear their constituents, they're doing it wrong and need to resign.

Like they don't cry wolf already?  Their families should feel the heat.  Trying to take the means of protection from law abiding citizens so they can protect their families from the animals the left instills is despotism.  F them and their families.

It would also serve as a good litmus test for what we think LE will do vs what they actually do. Silent, peaceful demonstration outside the residence sends multiple messages on multiple levels and gives us back some very useful intel.

Get both?

I don't live in VA. I feel fortunate to know that after 1-20 I will *probably* be allowed to return home in peace and watch the rest unfold from a distance. I say 'probably' because it's entirely possible that TPTB will set off a false flag as a pretext to arrest everyone there and gulag us so they can steam ahead with their agenda.

On that note, has anyone considered giving us the option to join a prepaid legal plan to cover the 3 days we'll be there?

I'd HAPPILY pay $100 or so for 'legal insurance' to cover an event such as this, as long as it was with a legal firm truly dedicated to the 2A, so that we could be assured that the profit from such a venture would go to further 2A causes.

You are quite correct. If one were to collate conservative based threads and then catalog the "concern" posts I imagine you might see an interesting pattern of posts and users emerge.

Bingo.

This.

To add, for me in particular at least, this is a place to kind of vent some of the frustrations amongst others in the same boat.  The virtual tavern of sorts.  This is all new to me, as I’m sure it is for others, so if what I say seems to be distracting or subversive, my apologies.

The banter is important, as is hashing out ideas whether harebrained or logical - it keeps up interest, engagement and momentum.  It also allows people to have a sounding board,  no matter how nutty the idea may be, or, just to let off a little steam.  For me anyways, this whole thing has been very polarizing, and I can’t really get my head around just why it has got me doing the things I now find myself engaged in.

As BlackFox said - there’s few specificities of a strategic or tactical nature that can, or should, be discussed openly.  Those with the background, experience and knowledge to come up with the plans, I’m sure are doing so.  That’s far above my pay grade. As we get closer, I just hope somebody lets me know how I can help.

Until then, I’ll keep talking to folks, raise awareness, trying to get people pointed in the right direction to help any way they can to help.  And, of course, running my yap here.

In the decade long lead up to the AmRev, sons of liberty affiliated mobs usually left their firearms at home when visiting royal agents.

http://americainclass.org/sources/makingrevolution/rebellion/text2/oliverloyalistsviolence.pdf

It's the same game the left plays with "unarmed" assailants or protestors.  Gun people understand the law and ethics of self defense and thus rightfully see that an attacking mob armed with improvised clubs, bike locks, fire (for arson) etc poses a deadly threat no different than if they were wielding firearms.  Through our history most people have proven incapable of understanding that, so "unarmed" mobs and perps get a lot more leeway in society.  The left understands the optics and propaganda value.

Ad an example of tactics related to this, why do you think the left sets off firecrackers at their events at Berkley?  It's to simulate the noise of gunfire while remaining technically unarmed.  They're basically trying to either (a) bait the security forces into overreacting to create a Boston Massacre propaganda victory or (b) desensitize security forces to the sound of gunfire so "unarmed" mobs can push the envelope and start becoming selectively armed if they wanted to do so.

VCDL has a new member from Minnesota.

Things may (and probably will change), but right now it is pretty simple. Ben spells it out very clearly in his thread. There are many that want to show up and demonstrate their discontent, resolve, and capabilites peacefully with full kit. Awesome. If that resonates with you, link up with him, Miles_Urbanus, and the NBB and await further coordinating instructions.

Many want to go without kit and lobby. Awesome. That is the desired goal of the VCDL.  If that resonates with you, join the VCDL and sign up for their alerts.

As I said, things may change, but these are the two most viable options at the time. But these two aforementioned groups are just a small part of lobby day. There will be thousands of normal Virginians that are there to do neither. My small town is filling up their third bus, and the surrounding towns counties are bringing similar numbers (or more). These folks aren't going in to lobby. They also aren't kitting up outside. They are simply going to stand strong in support of the 2A and against tyranny. They just want to be seen and continue to be a part of the movement that brought them and thousands of their neighbors out to their BoS meetings. Momentum hasn't slowed, and this is their next chance to be heard.

There are going to also be thousands from out of state. Some fall into the first two groups, but many in the third. A fourth group is the Militia March on the Capital movement. These folks are organized and this isnt their first rodeo. Some were at Charlottesville. By their own estimation they believe that they will field over 10,000 militia members. As of right now, they are urging peace and restraint. The VCDL extended an olive branch to them and welcomes their presence.

At the end of the day there are going to be thousands of people there with different goals, agendas, and methodologies. All are welcome, and all have a lot to contribute. There is absolutely no way to have command and control over them all. The important thing is to show unity towards the primary goal: Protecting the 2A in VA. What we don't need are those with no skin in the game either trying to diminish or dampen our resolve, or try to accelerate the more easily influenced in our ranks towards action(s) that will ultimately be detrimental to our primary goal.

In short, we need to stay motivated, rational, calm, flexible, prepared, and welcoming of all who are on our side.

Thanks for your support, brother!

And one from Florida, plus extra to VCDL PAC

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Only an idiot would think that Minnesota will stand if Virginia falls.

Other than buying dog food for a friend that helps dozens of rescue animals (and he's who my son got a cat from), it was the biggest smile I've had while adding an extra donation to something.

It’s so damn heart warming to see so many people from so many states joining this movement, and I’m proud to be a part of it.

Bravo! Well said.