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My guess is it was more about having a clear conscience.

He warned her face to face that there would be consequences to violating the constitution.
What she does with that information is not on his head.  

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LexConcord--

Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt?

She said:  Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns."

How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base?

Curious as to your response.

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LexConcord--

Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt?

She said:  Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns."

How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base?

Curious as to your response.

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You serious Clark?

She's so used to saying it to appease people while she's violating their rights it just rolls off her tongue. If you think they wouldn't gladly go door-to-door if they could, you're a fool.

Eta: sure they'll let you keep your guns. You just have to be licensed, carry millions of dollars in liability insurance, be cleared by mental professionals, register your AR receiver that's modified for two shots with a non-semiauto action, no pistol grip with your ammunition you have to pass a background check and pay a 5000% tax on, and keep it locked up at the gun club.

But hey, you got to keep your guns.

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I'm just trying to get my head around her cognitive dissonance.

Your answer is that she is A) stupid and B) a liar.  That may well be the case--but I find her smug assurances to LexConcord a bit curious, and wanted to explore possible explanations.

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I'm just trying to get my head around her cognitive dissonance.

Your answer is that she is A) stupid and B) a liar.  That may well be the case--but I find her smug assurances to LexConcord a bit curious, and wanted to explore possible explanations.

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Who benefits most if things go hot?

Would unified nation wide blatant mass non-compliance not be the best solution?

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VSP now estimates 120k.

You did not hear that from me.....

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Part II

For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi.  Speaker of the House (designee  will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader.  She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature.

There's more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I'll keep it as brief as possible.  As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably.  The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher.  Rather than make it a transcript, I'll lay it out as to the statements made:

After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby.  She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she'd occasionally type stuff on it.  Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists.
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Ma'am, I'm here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session.  I'm sure you're aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already.  No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement.

I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills.  I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well.

I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States.  I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow.  I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality.

If these bills are passed, and are made into law  I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight.  Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology.  If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons?  What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed?

***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn***

My response to that was:  I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here.  Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption.

What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians.  We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution.  That is 91% of the Commonwealth.  That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond.  Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it.  This further fans the flames of discord.  The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally  people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature.

On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said.  The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted.  As Richmond's intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response.

From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before.  There is no leader to this reaction  it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them.  It's incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on.  History can teach us things.  The old clich of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation.  These are the Intolerable Acts of our time.

Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail.  Given what we are facing, is that something you will support?

Her responses:

Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally!  Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was:

"There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now.  These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia.  Nobody is going to outlaw your guns.  Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them.  There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that).  This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA.  There really is nothing to worry about  you'll be able to keep your guns."  (Where have we heard language like this before?)

My response and closing to that was:

Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth.

Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending  it is loud and it is clear.

The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth.  91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this.  There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering  there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation.  This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort.  We are standing on a dangerous precipice.  If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance.  That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it's safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature.  We are looking at a defining moment in our history.  To say otherwise is a fool's errand.

Her response

Thank you for sharing your views.  It was nice to meet you.  Have a nice day.

That's pretty much it.  Everything is falling on deaf ears.

Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come.

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@LexConcord

That was very brave what you did.  I was going to go there myself but alas my youngest is home sick.  You’ve met the enemy and stared them in the eye.  Her and people like her are the definition of sociopaths.  We will stop them.

Keep the fight and I’ll see you and the thousands of others on January 20.

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@LexConcord

That was very brave what you did.  I was going to go there myself but alas my youngest is home sick.  You’ve met the enemy and stared them in the eye.  Her and people like her are the definition of sociopaths.  We will stop them.

Keep the fight and I’ll see you and the thousands of others on January 20.

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VSP now estimates 120k.

You did not hear that from me.....

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Holy Fuck. If 1/4 of that many people show up its going to be huge!!!!!!!!!

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It's the Woodstock for defenders of the 2A.

Have we got a Jimi Hendrix to play the Star Spangled Banner on an electric guitar at dawn?

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I'm hoping to get out the CHIRP file shortly. My thought is to have at least a primary and secondary VHF frequency that is in the ham bands. That way, the several thousand Baofengs I expect to be there will be able to get info passed via the Arfcom Information Network (TM).

I'm also working on how to implement a Gotenna Mesh network at the event. That would enable text messaging even if the cell network is down. The 1-to-1 chat and 1-to-many chats are encrypted. They also have a "shout" mode that sends to all mesh nodes in range. There is also an Emergency and Emergency beacon mode that you can use to tell all the other mesh users in an area (including via hops) that you're in trouble. Since the Gotenna Mesh app runs on Andoid or Apple, you don't necessarily have to have a phone, just a text messaging app on your device. Or, you can use an unactivated phone, burner phone, etc. to connect to the mesh. I'm setting up the ones I have with random IDs rather than a phone number. I'm planning to have a spreadsheet of the key folks and their random IDs so I know how to text them directly. (And, they'll have the same list.) For those who want to participate in the mesh network, see Gotenna mesh
They did have a 30% promotion going on with the coupon code GIFTGOTENNA but I don't know if that's still the case.

This should prove to be an interesting test of large-scale, non-cell network comms.

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This event has the potential to be a turning point in our nation. Regardless the outcome, I'm all in.

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Part II

For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi.  Speaker of the House (designee  will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader.  She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature.

There's more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I'll keep it as brief as possible.  As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably.  The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher.  Rather than make it a transcript, I'll lay it out as to the statements made:

After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby.  She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she'd occasionally type stuff on it.  Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists.
--

Ma'am, I'm here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session.  I'm sure you're aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already.  No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement.

I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills.  I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well.

I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States.  I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow.  I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality.

If these bills are passed, and are made into law  I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight.  Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology.  If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons?  What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed?

***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn***

My response to that was:  I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here.  Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption.

What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians.  We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution.  That is 91% of the Commonwealth.  That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond.  Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it.  This further fans the flames of discord.  The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally  people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature.

On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said.  The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted.  As Richmond's intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response.

From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before.  There is no leader to this reaction  it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them.  It's incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on.  History can teach us things.  The old clich of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation.  These are the Intolerable Acts of our time.

Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail.  Given what we are facing, is that something you will support?

Her responses:

Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally!  Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was:

"There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now.  These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia.  Nobody is going to outlaw your guns.  Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them.  There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that).  This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA.  There really is nothing to worry about  you'll be able to keep your guns."  (Where have we heard language like this before?)

My response and closing to that was:

Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth.

Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending  it is loud and it is clear.

The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth.  91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this.  There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering  there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation.  This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort.  We are standing on a dangerous precipice.  If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance.  That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it's safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature.  We are looking at a defining moment in our history.  To say otherwise is a fool's errand.

Her response

Thank you for sharing your views.  It was nice to meet you.  Have a nice day.

That's pretty much it.  Everything is falling on deaf ears.

Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come.