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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:04:46 PM EDT
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LexConcord-- Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about you'll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Part II For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There's more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I'll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I'll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she'd occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma'am, I'm here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I'm sure you're aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond's intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It's incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old clich of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about you'll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it's safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool's errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That's pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. Some final thoughts and observations: Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it. I've done many. Some were successful, some were not. Some were quite significant, others minor. Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party's reception to your pitch. It's hard to describe for those who haven't experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth. That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty: She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth. Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion. I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part. The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. I'll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation. To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with "90% of VA wants this", "It's the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear", "Nobody will outlaw or take your guns". I mean, seriously? I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won't call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points? I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage. I'm still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever. However, I think the tone will be different. We all need to stay the course and continue to fight. Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July. We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20. Let them see the folly of their ways. Did this surprise you? Were you expecting more human from her? Did you think you had a chance at communication, or was it just a personal confirmation thing? Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about you'll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:06:10 PM EDT
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Well, I ordered my plate carrier.
If Arfcom gets me airholed, I'm holding a serious fuckin grudge! Just sayin' 
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:08:24 PM EDT
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VSP now estimates 120k. You did not hear that from me.....  It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:09:47 PM EDT
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A common theme with Democrats is they want to rule over people, not serve or represent them. We will find out shortly how Virginia responds to that type of leadership. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you sir! Ladies and Gents, I just got back from the "Office Hours" with Del. Eileen Filler-Corn. This was a 1-on-1, by signup, at that coffee house (coffee was actually pretty good). Just want to say up front, I tried. I was very polite and diplomatic, used several different approaches (NLP) to communicate the issue, the urgency, and the potential outcomes. I spent about 20 minutes with her aide and approximately 6 minutes with Del Filler-Corn. I definitely got the "sir your red light has been on for some time, please finish up" that Ben received as well. Believe me, the message was fully delivered, and received, in the most succint and professional way possible. With great dismay, I'm afraid that diplomacy may no longer have any bearing. They simply do not care. At all. They have zero intention of slowing this down. I had used the voice memo recorder on my phone, but now listening to the playback, the conversation is almost inaudible due to all the ambient noise in the coffee shop. I'll write up play by play here shortly. We will find out shortly how Virginia responds to that type of leadership. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:10:35 PM EDT
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100k people showing up in a city of 230k (metro pop, 1.25 million) is going to cause a disruption in services.
But it's big enough that it might save lives in the long run. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:11:35 PM EDT
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The numbers may be inflated a bit, bit might not be too far from the mark. These are some figures I posted elsewhere: It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. Trivia: I saw your sigline. Do you know where those words were spoken? |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:13:26 PM EDT
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The numbers may be inflated a bit, bit might not be too far from the mark. These are some figures I posted elsewhere: It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VSP now estimates 120k. You did not hear that from me..... It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. You are going to have people backed up on the surrounding streets for multiple blocks.... There will be 0 chance of getting in or out once people start arriving. I'm glad I decided to come in Saturday. I will probably try to get there Monday morning pretty early, just to have a chance to be less than 5 blocks away... |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:14:15 PM EDT
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@longhunter09 Trivia: I saw your sigline. Do you know where those words were spoken? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The numbers may be inflated a bit, bit might not be too far from the mark. These are some figures I posted elsewhere: It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. Trivia: I saw your sigline. Do you know where those words were spoken? 
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for your efforts. You apparently were never anything other than composed and professional. I would have been biting my tongue 'till I was bleeding from the mouth. I despise a condescending attitude. I'll admit, it was tough to maintain composure, especially after her complete dismissal of my points and the regurgitation of the standard talking points. Kept reminding myself that I was speaking for more than just myself, and I couldn't lose it for everyone. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:14:46 PM EDT
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Considering it was the City that denied employees their 2A rights that got those employees killed back in May, I doubt they touch this at all. Best for them to ignore it because they will get Crucified (verbally) during any open discussion. And if they were to vote NO or pull some Suffolk BS, its guaranteed not to end well for them. Elections are next year. Hopefully I'm wrong and we become a 2A sanctuary city and we one up Culpeper, Tazwel, and Chesapeake by actually activating the militia.  |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:16:10 PM EDT
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If those numbers are close to true, there is no way everyone will fit on the capital grounds. You are going to have people backed up on the surrounding streets for multiple blocks.... There will be 0 chance of getting in or out once people start arriving. I'm glad I decided to come in Saturday. I will probably try to get there Monday morning pretty early, just to have a chance to be less than 5 blocks away... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VSP now estimates 120k. You did not hear that from me..... It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. You are going to have people backed up on the surrounding streets for multiple blocks.... There will be 0 chance of getting in or out once people start arriving. I'm glad I decided to come in Saturday. I will probably try to get there Monday morning pretty early, just to have a chance to be less than 5 blocks away... |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:17:16 PM EDT
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VSP now estimates 120k. You did not hear that from me..... 
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:17:43 PM EDT
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You are spot on with describing how meeting and interacting with these folks are. I had the same type of interactions with representatives here in NC during a Grass Roots NC event in May this year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Part III Some final thoughts and observations: Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it. I’ve done many. Some were successful, some were not. Some were quite significant, others minor. Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party’s reception to your pitch. It’s hard to describe for those who haven’t experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff – all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth. That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty: She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth. Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion. I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part. The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. I’ll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation. To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with “90% of VA wants this”, “It’s the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear”, “Nobody will outlaw or take your guns”. I mean, seriously? I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won’t call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points? I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage. I’m still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever. However, I think the tone will be different. We all need to stay the course and continue to fight. Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July. We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20. Let them see the folly of their ways. These types of people are dangerous and should never be allowed to hold power. However, there are actual politicians in the Va legislature, even on the Dim side. We only need to convince 2 or 3 Senators to vote our way and these bills tank. That is the primary reason for the Rattlesnake Rally. To try to win over the few we need. We may be able to win them over thru clever diplomacy. Or, we may be able to win them over because 30,000 armed individuals are warning them not to do what they are planning and they become fearful. As they should. Stopping these heinous acts is the key to ensuring our republic will survive. If they are passed anyway and signed into law, we ill use the court system to try to get them struck down before they take effect. If that fails, then the threat of force is no longer useful to prevent a crisis. It will be the USE of force that will make these laws go away. Let us all hope that does not come to pass. Let us also redouble our efforts to help those willing to listen understand the dangerous game they are playing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:18:34 PM EDT
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The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:20:46 PM EDT
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My figures are definitely on the high end, but certainly within the realm of possibility. I fully expect there to be more than 50,000. Of course much could change between now and then that could either increase or decrease turnout. Regardless, it's going to be massive. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:21:16 PM EDT
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Part II For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool’s errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That’s pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To set the stage: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/503720/Coffee_-_Copy_jpg-1214317.JPG Part I Ok, so I figured I’d provide as much information on my brief meeting with the VA House Speaker Designee today. To avoid TL/DR, I’ll break it up into a couple parts. Upon entering the coffee shop, there were approximately a dozen or so people sitting around at tables and on couches, assumedly waiting for their turn to speak with the Delegate, who was seated at a table adorned with her name and title. There was a sign in sheet, to get on the list to speak with her. After signing in, I waited about 45 minutes or so for my turn to meet with Del. Filler Corn. During that time, I was listening to what others were discussing with her as well as amongst themselves. The majority of the folks there were supportive of her efforts. Some were concerned about plastic bag use and the impact on the ecology, others wanted more solar power. Either way, smiles and hugs abounded. It was a happy little liberal get together. Her cheerful and eager young aide struck up conversation with me. He wanted to know what I would like to discuss, and that he would be able to offer more information, clarity and outlook ahead of time, since the time to sit and speak with Del. Filler Corn would be limited. He kept saying that he would be able to help explain policy, initiatives and issues that the Del. would be taking up, that he was very in tune with her agenda as well as the direction that this legislative body would be proceeding. I said ok, well – I’m really specifically concerned with the incredibly damaging legislation set for the upcoming session relating to antigun bills and 2nd Amendment usurpation measures that are being brought forward. I’m concerned that while I’m otherwise a law abiding citizen, that I’ll become a felon overnight. I really don’t like the idea of that, and neither do countless others. I’d really like the opportunity to speak with the Del., explain my concerns and see how she plans to address these very serious issues that I, and countless other Virginians are facing. His facial expression suuuuuure changed. Then, he went into a seemingly oft rehearsed rendition of “Common Sense Gun Law Talking Points for Democrats, Feat: B Obama”. Seriously, it was terribly stereotypical and almost satirical. He’d find every opportunity to excuse himself and tend to other constituents, but I’d find a way to re-engage him. I was very soft spoken, professional and made sure that my tone showed concern, not outrage. He was young, maybe early 20’s. I’m not necessarily sure he’s had to deal with an opposing opinion without reinforcements outside of a safe space without the ability to escape. Also, they REALLY wanted to know who I was, where I lived, how to contact me… Holy shit. Any ways, the previously cheerful and upbeat aide, despite best efforts to avoid me, failed at doing so and was now slightly less cheerful and upbeat. He kept mentioning that I’d have to wait a while before being able to speak with the delegate, and that he was sorry, and if I had to go back to work, they understood and that I could reach out to her office and reschedule a time 1:1. LOL. Yeah, right. I ain’t leaving kid. I probably spent about 45 minutes waiting to speak with her (2 cups of pretty good coffee), and used about 20-25 minutes of that time speaking with the aide (whether he wanted to or not)… He actually was a nice young guy, naïve for sure, but making the most of the opportunity in front of him I guess. I can’t fault him. He never became hostile, condescending or anything like that – just seemingly disappointed that I had opposing views and he probably had some forethought as to how well his boss would be receiving my message, and potentially any blow back on him due to his screening processes. Never the less, he was nice, polite, didn’t seem partisan in his dealings with me and I truly wish him luck in his public service pursuits. Hopefully, we will not be corrupted and will choose a different path than the one taught by his employer. Anyways – on to Part II – the actual conversation. Edited to correct mistype of time spent waiting... For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool’s errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That’s pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:22:33 PM EDT
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Of course, sir. All good Virginians know those words were uttered in the very same city where we will be once again making history on Jan 20th. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The numbers may be inflated a bit, bit might not be too far from the mark. These are some figures I posted elsewhere: It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. Trivia: I saw your sigline. Do you know where those words were spoken? |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:23:55 PM EDT
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There is corn-filler, and there was corn-pop.
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:24:58 PM EDT
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To set the stage: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/503720/Coffee_-_Copy_jpg-1214317.JPG Part I Ok, so I figured I'd provide as much information on my brief meeting with the VA House Speaker Designee today. To avoid TL/DR, I'll break it up into a couple parts. Upon entering the coffee shop, there were approximately a dozen or so people sitting around at tables and on couches, assumedly waiting for their turn to speak with the Delegate, who was seated at a table adorned with her name and title. There was a sign in sheet, to get on the list to speak with her. After signing in, I waited about 45 minutes or so for my turn to meet with Del. Filler Corn. During that time, I was listening to what others were discussing with her as well as amongst themselves. The majority of the folks there were supportive of her efforts. Some were concerned about plastic bag use and the impact on the ecology, others wanted more solar power. Either way, smiles and hugs abounded. It was a happy little liberal get together. Her cheerful and eager young aide struck up conversation with me. He wanted to know what I would like to discuss, and that he would be able to offer more information, clarity and outlook ahead of time, since the time to sit and speak with Del. Filler Corn would be limited. He kept saying that he would be able to help explain policy, initiatives and issues that the Del. would be taking up, that he was very in tune with her agenda as well as the direction that this legislative body would be proceeding. I said ok, well I'm really specifically concerned with the incredibly damaging legislation set for the upcoming session relating to antigun bills and 2nd Amendment usurpation measures that are being brought forward. I'm concerned that while I'm otherwise a law abiding citizen, that I'll become a felon overnight. I really don't like the idea of that, and neither do countless others. I'd really like the opportunity to speak with the Del., explain my concerns and see how she plans to address these very serious issues that I, and countless other Virginians are facing. His facial expression suuuuuure changed. Then, he went into a seemingly oft rehearsed rendition of "Common Sense Gun Law Talking Points for Democrats, Feat: B Obama". Seriously, it was terribly stereotypical and almost satirical. He'd find every opportunity to excuse himself and tend to other constituents, but I'd find a way to re-engage him. I was very soft spoken, professional and made sure that my tone showed concern, not outrage. He was young, maybe early 20's. I'm not necessarily sure he's had to deal with an opposing opinion without reinforcements outside of a safe space without the ability to escape. Also, they REALLY wanted to know who I was, where I lived, how to contact me Holy shit. Any ways, the previously cheerful and upbeat aide, despite best efforts to avoid me, failed at doing so and was now slightly less cheerful and upbeat. He kept mentioning that I'd have to wait a while before being able to speak with the delegate, and that he was sorry, and if I had to go back to work, they understood and that I could reach out to her office and reschedule a time 1:1. LOL. Yeah, right. I ain't leaving kid. I probably spent about 45 minutes waiting to speak with her (2 cups of pretty good coffee), and used about 20-25 minutes of that time speaking with the aide (whether he wanted to or not) He actually was a nice young guy, nave for sure, but making the most of the opportunity in front of him I guess. I can't fault him. He never became hostile, condescending or anything like that just seemingly disappointed that I had opposing views and he probably had some forethought as to how well his boss would be receiving my message, and potentially any blow back on him due to his screening processes. Never the less, he was nice, polite, didn't seem partisan in his dealings with me and I truly wish him luck in his public service pursuits. Hopefully, we will not be corrupted and will choose a different path than the one taught by his employer. Anyways on to Part II the actual conversation. Edited to correct mistype of time spent waiting... I thought that was some sort of joke you all were making. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:25:19 PM EDT
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Disclaimer: I am not telling you guys in Virginia what to do. Having said that, you need to know right now the incoming Dems have no interest whatsoever in listening to your pleas. The previous posters here prove that. They want your enumerated right to bear arms. You can continue to plea, but we all know where that will get you if that's the extent of your effort. Godspeed, Virginia. Steady.... This legislation will most likely pass. Prepare accordingly. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:25:29 PM EDT
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The numbers may be inflated a bit, bit might not be too far from the mark. These are some figures I posted elsewhere: It is estimated that almost 200,000 showed up to their respective BoS meetings. I think at least a quarter of those (probably more) would be a reasonable estimate for LD. That's 50-75,000. The organized militias from around the country are estimating at least 10,000. I would say random folks from other states might make another 10,000. Then you got the press, local randos, and those lobbying for other interests. I think somehwere around 100,000 isn't all that unreasonable of a figure. 
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:29:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a few question, and I'm not sure how to word it without sounding like a dick. They are honest question, without any snark to follow your answer. Did this surprise you? Were you expecting more human from her? Did you think you had a chance at communication, or was it just a personal confirmation thing? Honestly? I dunno. Remember - I've never done anything like this before, so "I don't know what I don't know". Never have been up close to or interacted with a pol. I'm not sure I had any one particular expectation. I had prepped myself and considered several potential situations, rebuttals, diversions, straight up re-direction and including reminding myself there could be an X factor that I hadn't yet considered, but to be ready for it. I had predetermined a few different approaches, several different paths to take once underway, all depending on how things flowed, with the ultimate goal being to make succinct points, do not ramble, remain professional, don't miss anything and ultimately deliver the message. To your point, I think my expectations on outcome encompasses a couple of different things. I do think that I believed that I had a chance at communication, even if it were to end up as a thanks but no thanks kinda deal. I've been stonewalled all to hell in business, but I've always made a connection and was able to communicate, even if we vehemently disagreed. This was not the case here. There was a glass wall between us and absolutely zero interpersonal/ human connection. Words were spoken towards each other, but there was no "communication". That surprised me somewhat. I definitely did receive personal confirmation. I expected that as well, I just wasn't certain in what form it would come. I am satisfied with what transpired and I now know for certain where I, and the collective we, stand in their eyes. I did what I could to the best of my ability, my conscience is clear and I am at peace with the fact that I tried to make a difference, however small. Hope that helps answer your questions. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:29:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Part II For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool’s errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That’s pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. Some final thoughts and observations: Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it. I’ve done many. Some were successful, some were not. Some were quite significant, others minor. Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party’s reception to your pitch. It’s hard to describe for those who haven’t experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff – all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth. That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty: She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth. Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion. I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part. The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. I’ll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation. To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with “90% of VA wants this”, “It’s the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear”, “Nobody will outlaw or take your guns”. I mean, seriously? I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won’t call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points? I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage. I’m still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever. However, I think the tone will be different. We all need to stay the course and continue to fight. Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July. We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20. Let them see the folly of their ways. Did this surprise you? Were you expecting more human from her? Did you think you had a chance at communication, or was it just a personal confirmation thing? He warned her face to face that there would be consequences to violating the constitution. What she does with that information is not on his head. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:29:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:30:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A politician would have been smiling the whole time, effusive in mannerism, attentive to a fault, and thankful for your time. It would be all BS, of course, but they are generally trying to be likeable. You have shown the incoming speaker is not a politician, she is an authoritarian who wants to inflict her version of utopia on us. Remember the definition of a liberal: They believe that people just can't be trusted to do the right thing. So, as a result, they have to FORCE you to do what THEY think is best for you, whether you like it or not. They also have an gargantuan ego, consider themselves superior beings, and yearn for power. They will only be stopped when they are totally humiliated and forced to resign in disgrace or arrested for committing a crime. I don't think the rally in January will have one iota of impact on these types of people. They are not reachable thru logic and reason and they will deny to themselves that the overwhelming tidal wave rejecting both them and their ideology is real. These types of people are dangerous and should never be allowed to hold power. However, there are actual politicians in the Va legislature, even on the Dim side. We only need to convince 2 or 3 Senators to vote our way and these bills tank. That is the primary reason for the Rattlesnake Rally. To try to win over the few we need. We may be able to win them over thru clever diplomacy. Or, we may be able to win them over because 30,000 armed individuals are warning them not to do what they are planning and they become fearful. As they should. Stopping these heinous acts is the key to ensuring our republic will survive. If they are passed anyway and signed into law, we ill use the court system to try to get them struck down before they take effect. If that fails, then the threat of force is no longer useful to prevent a crisis. It will be the USE of force that will make these laws go away. Let us all hope that does not come to pass. Let us also redouble our efforts to help those willing to listen understand the dangerous game they are playing. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:31:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:31:47 PM EDT
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With all due respect, we had two Republican representatives pre-file anti-gun legislation last week (although one killed his bill within 24 hours). If Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon in the face of their own counties becoming 2A sanctuaries, do you really think we will flip any Democrats? I'm afraid the legislative fight is lost. We still have the jury box, but the 4th circuit leans heavy to the left, and I have no faith in the SC taking a 2A case. I hope I am wrong, but it is increasingly looking like it is up to the people to right this ship. See Heller, McDonald, and Miller. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCan't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. Quote HistoryCan't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. Quoted:
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:34:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:35:15 PM EDT
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Who benefits most if things go hot? Would unified nation wide blatant mass non-compliance not be the best solution? What good is having it, if you can't practice with it? ...and look at WalMart. They've effectively cut-off a major source of ammunition to citizenry. What happens when the rest of the country gets CA ammo laws? No. VA has to stop this. CA went the "non-compliance" route, and it did nothing except cause a bunch of us to go into hiding, not allowing us to practice with our arms, making gun owners personas non grata. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:35:20 PM EDT
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LexConcord-- Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Part II For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool’s errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That’s pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. Some final thoughts and observations: Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it. I’ve done many. Some were successful, some were not. Some were quite significant, others minor. Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party’s reception to your pitch. It’s hard to describe for those who haven’t experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff – all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth. That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty: She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth. Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion. I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part. The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. I’ll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation. To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with “90% of VA wants this”, “It’s the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear”, “Nobody will outlaw or take your guns”. I mean, seriously? I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won’t call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points? I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage. I’m still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever. However, I think the tone will be different. We all need to stay the course and continue to fight. Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July. We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20. Let them see the folly of their ways. Did this surprise you? Were you expecting more human from her? Did you think you had a chance at communication, or was it just a personal confirmation thing? Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. This is not theater, they're not even pretending anymore. Hence the whole "the cops better enforce this or we'll call in the NG". The level of disdain exhibited towards me for having even brought this up to her, was evidence enough that they have zero intention of appeasing anyone. She didn't even try to hide it. After all my points, she basically hit "play" on her pre-recorded talking points that flew straight in the face of reality. She wasn't even trying to humor me or feign empathy. This shit 'fo real. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:36:24 PM EDT
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The Courts will not settle this because even if they do The left will just ignore them See Heller, McDonald, and Miller. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With all due respect, we had two Republican representatives pre-file anti-gun legislation last week (although one killed his bill within 24 hours). If Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon in the face of their own counties becoming 2A sanctuaries, do you really think we will flip any Democrats? I'm afraid the legislative fight is lost. We still have the jury box, but the 4th circuit leans heavy to the left, and I have no faith in the SC taking a 2A case. I hope I am wrong, but it is increasingly looking like it is up to the people to right this ship. See Heller, McDonald, and Miller. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:36:39 PM EDT
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I think it really does depend on us. If we rattle her cage both at home for the next 3 weeks, then in Richmond on 1/20, then it will shake her confidence enough to be squishy. We really need folks willing to do the leg work and put signs with their pictures on it around their AO. I don't know if I'll be able to do that for my two cretins (one of which is Luise Lucas who sponsored SB64) before I have to go off to a conference this Saturday for a week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Disclaimer: I am not telling you guys in Virginia what to do. Having said that, you need to know right now the incoming Dems have no interest whatsoever in listening to your pleas. The previous posters here prove that. They want your enumerated right to bear arms. You can continue to plea, but we all know where that will get you if that's the extent of your effort. Godspeed, Virginia. Steady.... This legislation will most likely pass. Prepare accordingly. Given that she is a hardened ideologue, it is more likely to harden her resolve. "See how dangerous these people are? THIS is why they need to be disarmed." |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:36:59 PM EDT
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VSP now estimates 120k. You did not hear that from me..... Oh, Lord, I hope I'm wrong...but in my area of the woods, talk is just that--talk. I hope VA is different. No, I pray that VA is different. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this reminds me of the Baron Harkonnen in Dune, saying in regard to kanly, "The forms were observed..." |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:38:26 PM EDT
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The Courts will not settle this because even if they do The left will just ignore them See Heller, McDonald, and Miller. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With all due respect, we had two Republican representatives pre-file anti-gun legislation last week (although one killed his bill within 24 hours). If Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon in the face of their own counties becoming 2A sanctuaries, do you really think we will flip any Democrats? I'm afraid the legislative fight is lost. We still have the jury box, but the 4th circuit leans heavy to the left, and I have no faith in the SC taking a 2A case. I hope I am wrong, but it is increasingly looking like it is up to the people to right this ship. See Heller, McDonald, and Miller. If the Court decided "you get handguns and 10rd mags, and sporting/hunting shotguns, and that's all," would the pro-RKBA accept that? Nope. They would ignore it just as hard as the Left would ignore a pro-RKBA ruling. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:39:15 PM EDT
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Cont'd.... The aide had to concern himself with the larger-than-usual group of people who were queued up to meet w/ the delegate, so at a certain point I could see that his attention was beginning to shift. The interesting thing is that right next to our table was what looked like a 30-ish female grad student (this cafe is right across the street from George Mason University) who was working on something for one of her classes. She politely interrupted and said that she had overheard our conversation and wanted to say something. She said her husband, who does not shoot and who is, like her, a liberal, went out and bought an AR-15 this last weekend at the Chantilly show because he felt the Dems had "crossed the line" and he was afraid of not being able to buy one once the legislation went into effect. Moreover, she said that although she was a liberal, she agreed with his decision and supported him. The aide just looked at her in shock. I was overjoyed to have this unsolicited endorsement from a typical Democrat in Fairfax County. One other comment I saw a Mommy Demanding Action there. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:40:24 PM EDT
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Moral of the @LexConcord story....
The Democrats that are about to kick things off in Virginia do not have private security details, yet. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:41:19 PM EDT
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I'm just trying to get my head around her cognitive dissonance. Your answer is that she is A) stupid and B) a liar. That may well be the case--but I find her smug assurances to LexConcord a bit curious, and wanted to explore possible explanations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: LexConcord-- Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. She's so used to saying it to appease people while she's violating their rights it just rolls off her tongue. If you think they wouldn't gladly go door-to-door if they could, you're a fool. Eta: sure they'll let you keep your guns. You just have to be licensed, carry millions of dollars in liability insurance, be cleared by mental professionals, register your AR receiver that's modified for two shots with a non-semiauto action, no pistol grip with your ammunition you have to pass a background check and pay a 5000% tax on, and keep it locked up at the gun club. But hey, you got to keep your guns. Your answer is that she is A) stupid and B) a liar. That may well be the case--but I find her smug assurances to LexConcord a bit curious, and wanted to explore possible explanations. They weren't assurances, more like brush off statements and regurgitation of tired talking points. She was just maintaining her public persona. She had zero interest in what I had to say, not did she see fit to dignify me with a legitimate response. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:41:29 PM EDT
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120,000 is gonna be one hell of a party!!!
  
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:41:39 PM EDT
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To sum it up: the Left wants us dead. Communists never change. They ALWAYS draw blood - it's in their nature. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:41:47 PM EDT
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NOT. AT. ALL. This is not theater, they're not even pretending anymore. Hence the whole "the cops better enforce this or we'll call in the NG". The level of disdain exhibited towards me for having even brought this up to her, was evidence enough that they have zero intention of appeasing anyone. She didn't even try to hide it. After all my points, she basically hit "play" on her pre-recorded talking points that flew straight in the face of reality. She wasn't even trying to humor me or feign empathy. This shit 'fo real. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Part II For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi. Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader. She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature. There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible. As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably. The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher. Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made: After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby. She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it. Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists. -- Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session. I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already. No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement. I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills. I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well. I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States. I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow. I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality. If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight. Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology. If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons? What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed? ***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn*** My response to that was: I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here. Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption. What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians. We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution. That is 91% of the Commonwealth. That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond. Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it. This further fans the flames of discord. The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature. On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said. The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted. As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response. From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before. There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them. It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on. History can teach us things. The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation. These are the Intolerable Acts of our time. Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail. Given what we are facing, is that something you will support? Her responses: Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally! Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was: "There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now. These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia. Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." (Where have we heard language like this before?) My response and closing to that was: Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth. Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear. The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth. 91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this. There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation. This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort. We are standing on a dangerous precipice. If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance. That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature. We are looking at a defining moment in our history. To say otherwise is a fool’s errand. Her response Thank you for sharing your views. It was nice to meet you. Have a nice day. That’s pretty much it. Everything is falling on deaf ears. Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come. Some final thoughts and observations: Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it. I’ve done many. Some were successful, some were not. Some were quite significant, others minor. Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party’s reception to your pitch. It’s hard to describe for those who haven’t experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff – all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth. That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty: She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth. Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion. I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part. The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension. There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people. This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face. I didnt know what to expect. One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being. I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling. Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different. There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever. Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something. It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting. I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person. There just was no... connection. I’ll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation. To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with “90% of VA wants this”, “It’s the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear”, “Nobody will outlaw or take your guns”. I mean, seriously? I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won’t call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points? I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage. I’m still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever. However, I think the tone will be different. We all need to stay the course and continue to fight. Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July. We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20. Let them see the folly of their ways. Did this surprise you? Were you expecting more human from her? Did you think you had a chance at communication, or was it just a personal confirmation thing? Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. This is not theater, they're not even pretending anymore. Hence the whole "the cops better enforce this or we'll call in the NG". The level of disdain exhibited towards me for having even brought this up to her, was evidence enough that they have zero intention of appeasing anyone. She didn't even try to hide it. After all my points, she basically hit "play" on her pre-recorded talking points that flew straight in the face of reality. She wasn't even trying to humor me or feign empathy. This shit 'fo real. A SWAT instructor years ago told me the analogy of the fox chasing a rabbit. I shared it with some friends recently and I think it is relevant to what is happening here. The fox is dedicated to catching the rabbit. But the rabbit is committed to getting away. They left is dedicated to the fight. But we are increasingly showing that we are committed. We are just their next meal, but this is our very freedom and way of life. We need to be resolute. We need to be committed. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:42:02 PM EDT
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Moral of the @LexConcord story.... The Democrats that are about to kick things off in Virginia do not have private security details, yet. You can't buy much security with that. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:42:33 PM EDT
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Who benefits most if things go hot? Would unified nation wide blatant mass non-compliance not be the best solution? Absolutely No One. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:43:18 PM EDT
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There is corn-filler, and there was corn-pop. And Joe told us how he handled it, with no help from a cop. And I got to say, if a field army of 120,000 shows up on lobby day, the whole world will stop what they are doing and take notice. It would probably be the most impressive thing since Hannibal's army crossed the Alps with a herd of African war elephants! |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:43:33 PM EDT
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I'm not even renting a car for this event. Flying in on the evening of the 18th, taking a taxi to the Berkeley and taxi back to the airport on the 21st. I rarely drive in big cities, no way I'm going to try that weekend. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:44:25 PM EDT
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Hope that helps answer your questions. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LexConcord-- Is there a chance--any chance--that what she was admitted to you in your conversation (albeit form a position of great, royal condescension) was that the bills which have been "pre-filed" are all horseshit, just smoke and mirrors, sound and fury signifying nothing designed to rally the Democrat base, and that the legislature actually has NO intention of moving forward with the proposals put forward--and may dial it back to some face-saving "background check for all transfers" public safety PR stunt? She said: Nobody is going to outlaw your guns. Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them. There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that). This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA. There really is nothing to worry about you'll be able to keep your guns." How in the world could she possibly believe that--unless she knew the "pre-filed bills" were all political theatre for the base? Curious as to your response. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:47:02 PM EDT
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The only way you're going to turn this Corn-Filler woman is to get her caucus to quit following her. She is the majority leader only because people listen to her, are influenced by her, and vote as she commands. Once the underlings start to publicly question the necessity of the pre-filed bills, she has to change her tune or risk looking like she is out of touch with her caucus.
She is a lost cause. Move on to others in her party who are willing to listen to reason. |
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Posted: 12/30/2019 9:47:07 PM EDT
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this reminds me of the Baron Harkonnen in Dune, saying in regard to kanly, "The forms were observed..." Quote HistoryQuoted:
this reminds me of the Baron Harkonnen in Dune, saying in regard to kanly, "The forms were observed..." Quoted:
Then Kanly, or Vendetta in the old tongue it is. The mantra against fear has been on my mind, lately. |
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