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I would expect that to mean they are devoting resources to be able to control up to 120k but expect less to show.

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There are only 2100 VSP in ALL of VA.

They would have to deplete the PoPo from all of the rest of VA to "control" ANYTHING.

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How do we make sure this doesn't get the permit revoked and the rally shitcanned by VSP/Cap Police?

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How did VSP arrive at this number?

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Fuck them, how are they going to tell 50,000 people to go home. We would outnumber the entirety of the VSP, RPD, and the Combat Arms and MP divisions of the VANG.

The guy with the permit is in the crowd, go find him.

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Fuck them, how are they going to tell 50,000 people to go home. We would outnumber the entirety of the VSP, RPD, and the Combat Arms and MP divisions of the VANG.

The guy with the permit is in the crowd, go find him.

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Berkeley?

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A few years ago, Soros was buying Secretaries of State in swing states.  The Bloomberg bought Democrat legislators in Virginia are set on repealing the Voter ID law here.

They’re no longer even pretending.

I wonder what the maximum effect range of a good compound crossbow is?

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Wonder if there will be an outbreak of flu that day. ??

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The most egregious time yes, but I've seen them get bullied pretty hard at times in Portland as well.

Permits are cool and all, but if you show up with enough people and politely but firmly insist on doing something, the cops aren't going to stop you.

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Besides, watching riot cops break and run was one of the formative experiences of my life; it’s something everyone deserves to witness in person at least once.

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Man, I hope so.

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This is awesome. It also made me lol irl.  You’re good people.

Btw - your earlier post about cloud/ dirt people made a lot of sense, thanks for sharing that (and my apologies for not responding to it).

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And if that number shows up, Richmond will be immobilized.

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Fuck them, how are they going to tell 50,000 people to go home. We would outnumber the entirety of the VSP, RPD, and the Combat Arms and MP divisions of the VANG.

The guy with the permit is in the crowd, go find him.

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120k isn't a rally, it is an army.

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I would have preferred to have seen it without also getting a concussion, but ya play the cards you're delt.....

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Part II

For those unaware, Delegate and Speaker-Designee Eileen Filler-Corns position and office in the Virginia State government is roughly the equivalent to Nancy Pelosi.  Speaker of the House (designee – will take that office in January), former House Minority Leader, now House Majority Leader.  She has sway and she has quite a bit of power and influence within the state legislature.

There’s more than a bit to write as to the conversation, so I’ll keep it as brief as possible.  As I mentioned before, my attempt to record the convo failed miserably.  The following is compiled from memory, my notes and the parts of my recording that I could decipher.  Rather than make it a transcript, I’ll lay it out as to the statements made:

After making introductions, we shook hands and sat at a table, with her aid standing nearby.  She had an ipad set up in front of her, tilted towards her like a monitor, and she’d occasionally type stuff on it.  Probably texting with her aide, who already knew where I stood on things where he was feeding her info, and also probably adding me to more lists.
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Ma’am, I’m here to discuss my extreme concerns with the myriad of anti-gun legislation introduced into the upcoming legislative session.  I’m sure you’re aide has briefed you on my position with this, since he and I spoke for some time already.  No change in her expression or attempt confirm/ deny as to my statement.

I am here to ask you to please withdraw support for these draconian bills.  I implore you to use your speaker-ship to urge your fellow delegates and senators to withdraw support as well.

I am your typical, law-abiding resident of Virginia and citizen of the United States.  I, along with millions just like me, walk the straight and narrow.  I may exceed the speed limit occasionally, but I, and many others like me, put great effort into abiding not only to the rule of law, but to a polite social contract that is guided by morality.

If these bills are passed, and are made into law – I, and millions of Virginians just like me, will become felons overnight.  Not by any wrong doing of my own, but by writ and the stroke of legislative pen, all in the name of an overzealous pursuit of misguided ideology.  If respect for the law and reverence for the consequences for having violated that law is what keeps us law abiding, what then, is the inevitable outcome, when we are now labeled felons?  What is left to maintain peace and order, once the threat of criminality is removed?

***At this point, the aide interrupts and lets me know my time is up and that others are waiting their turn***

My response to that was:  I waited 45 minutes as well, I'm almost done and it's very important that we are able to fully conclude our mutual concerns here.  Del. Filler Corn looked at me, up at the aide (sayinig get him outta here with her eyes), back at me and I continued speaking, ignoring the aide as if there hadn't been an interruption.

What we have seen since the introduction of the myriad of anti-gun bills is an incredibly outpouring by regular, every day Virginians.  We have seen 87 of 95 counties along with numerous cities and towns, adopt some form of 2nd Amendment Sanctuary resolution.  That is 91% of the Commonwealth.  That is sending a very clear and decisive message to Richmond.  Both Gov Northam and AG Herring have engaged in some very inflammatory rhetoric, and followed up by doubling down on it.  This further fans the flames of discord.  The people of Virginia are up in arms over this, and I mean that literally – people are taking up arms over the actions of the legislature.

On the same hand, people are having open, unveiled conversations regarding everything I just said.  The people are making plans for the inevitability of draconian, unconstitutional laws being enacted.  As Richmond’s intention is no longer veiled, neither is the peoples response.

From the introduction of these sweeping bills to today, we have seen people come together like never before.  There is no leader to this reaction – it is everyday Virginians trying to have their voices heard, and their communities supporting and defending them.  It’s incredibly clear which side of this legislation that the people of Virginia, as a whole, are on.  History can teach us things.  The old cliché of those who do not learn from it, are doomed to repeat it, is very much relevant to this conversation.  These are the Intolerable Acts of our time.

Again, please, I ask for your help in withdrawing support for these bills, letting them die in committee and allowing cooler heads to prevail.  Given what we are facing, is that something you will support?

Her responses:

Blah blah blah. Pre-written talking points. Literally!  Best of all, her actual response to my closing statement asking for her support was:

"There is a lot of unnecessary rhetoric being thrown about right now.  These are common sense measures that are supported by over 90% of the people of Virginia.  Nobody is going to outlaw your guns.  Nobody is going to go door to door and collect them.  There is no need to dig a hole and bury your guns in the back yard (yes, she really said that).  This is all being exacerbated by the Gun Lobby and the NRA.  There really is nothing to worry about – you’ll be able to keep your guns."  (Where have we heard language like this before?)

My response and closing to that was:

Madame Speaker Designee, with all due respect, what you just said is patently false and highlights how you have completely misread the pulse of the Commonwealth.

Instead of listening to the lobbyists, New York funded special interest groups, various polls and aides within the echo chamber that are the halls of the state legislature, you should listen to the message that the people of Virginia are sending – it is loud and it is clear.

The voices you are hearing and the sanctuary resolutions you are seeing passed are from individuals throughout the commonwealth.  91% of the state does not, in fact, want any of this.  There is no lobby, no funding from wealthy individuals feeding any fear mongering – there is no leader or leading entity and the NRA has been unbelievably and disappointingly absent from the conversation.  This is a wholly organic, grassroots effort.  We are standing on a dangerous precipice.  If this legislation continues down its current path and is enacted, there will be a comeuppance.  That is a guarantee, and the result not being known yet, it’s safe to say that it may not be solely political in nature.  We are looking at a defining moment in our history.  To say otherwise is a fool’s errand.

Her response

Thank you for sharing your views.  It was nice to meet you.  Have a nice day.

That’s pretty much it.  Everything is falling on deaf ears.

Part III/ Final Thoughts & Observations to come.

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I call that logic "Not the ass-kicking we are looking for" and I am hoping that LEO's in Richmond have plenty of common sense. We shall see.

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It's all fun and games until the flashbangs come out, then it's still fun(but for keepsies).

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Part III

Some final thoughts and observations:

Throughout my career, negotiation has been a large part of it.  I’ve done many. Some were successful, some were not.  Some were quite significant, others minor.

Over time, through repetition and trial and error, you develop an ability to sense the other party’s reception to your pitch.  It’s hard to describe for those who haven’t experienced it - it's not a tangible or teachable thing, but the combination of body language, eye and facial expression, how they sit, how they hold their hands, their tone, lots of stuff – all of these things can and will betray the words that come out of their mouth.

That said, I can tell you, with 100%, absolute certainty:

She did not want to hear one word out of my mouth.  Only out of decorum and the public nature of the meeting, did she tolerate my presence and allow herself to hear my opinion.

I sensed true and legitimate contempt towards me on her part.

The finality of the conversation dripped with condescension.

There is a very real smugness, arrogance and air of superiority that just oozes from these people.

This was the very first time I've ever done anything like this. This is the first time I've ever petitioned a politician face to face.  I didnt know what to expect.

One thing is for sure, and I don't know how to quite put this - she (and the rest of these politicians, I assume) is/ are just a different species of human being.  I've sat across from very high ranking C-level folks (and even told them things they don't want to hear, we weren't on the best of terms, etc.), and I never got that feeling.

Can't quite put my finger on what it was, but she just seemed, different.  There was no human connection, no empathy, no emotion whatsoever.  Only contempt. A hidden, seething, something.  It was quite strange really - disconcerting and very off putting.  I felt like I was dealing with a robot or an alien or something, not another living, breathing person.  There just was no... connection.

I’ll tell you this, now that I have sat in front of arguably, one of the most powerful people in the VA Legislature -There is no swaying them and they will not stop pushing this legislation.

To simply ignore the factual points I made regarding 2A sanctuaries, the percentage of VA they constituted, people taking up arms, the dire warnings, etc. and to come back with “90% of VA wants this”, “It’s the NRA/ Gun Lobby stoking fear”, “Nobody will outlaw or take your guns”.  I mean, seriously?  I just had a decidedly cogent, articulate and polished interaction with you (I won’t call it a conversation), and you're treating me like an idiot and pretending not to have heard my (valid) points?

I feel my experience today would have been similar to sitting across from Pelosi during the Obama Care passage.

I’m still going on Lobby Day, in fact, I am more eager now, than ever.

However, I think the tone will be different.

We all need to stay the course and continue to fight.

Even if they pass these abortions of bills in January, they can be pulled back prior to enactment in July.

We need EVERYONE in Richmond on 1/20.  Let them see the folly of their ways.

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Fuck em.  They're never going to like us.  They're never going to respect us.   We're probably just going to have to settle for letting them fear us.

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I have mine zeroed for ~40-50 yds.

And can stack the bolts on top of each other when I shoot.

I try not to as it f%cks them up, royally.

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Fuck them, how are they going to tell 50,000 people to go home. We would outnumber the entirety of the VSP, RPD, and the Combat Arms and MP divisions of the VANG.

The guy with the permit is in the crowd, go find him.

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And thank you for yours.

We all appreciate you investing your time, money, knowledge and ability in this cause by joining us on 1/20.  Cheers.

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So, correct me if I'm wrong,  but nothing they vote in takes affect until July, unless they can get a 2/3s vote to "rush" enactment?

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Moral of the @LexConcord story....

The Democrats that are about to kick things off in Virginia do not have private security details, yet.