It was both Capitol Police and VSP.

They mistake patience for weakness.

That dental plan won't pay for itself.

Citizens will always do as they're told.

One of those statements is true.

you mean the ones who stood and watched trump supporters get assaulted in san jose, and berkeley and a few other places? maybe there are good ones there, but not sure if they have honest chiefs

It's good to be "the police," in a police state.

Pretty much, if SHTF they won't side with the people

Threads like this make me chuckle everytime someone says LE will do what's right when it comes to the 2A.

Or enforcing the CA AWB...

There were both VSP and cap police.  They are not the same agency, or branches of the same agency. VSP was likely augmenting cap police, they have primary jurisdiction on Capitol grounds.

And you can bet they'll get a fresh buzz cut, shave, uniform press and boot shine before they come.

I was assured the majority of law enforcement and our military would stand with the common citizens

This.  Looked like Capitol Police to me.  If we're going to shit on the VSP, let's shit on them for something they actually did.

Tazwell county, resistance home base.

Might be moving to Richlands.

Death to Tyrants.

One reason you guys in VA are going to lose is that people haven't identified the participants in the video. What are their names? Who is their boss? What office/region are they from?

I like that sign that someone carried at Richmond:

"We Come In Peace - This Time!"

Fucking A...

Some people have the mentality that Government Can Do No Wrong Because It Is Government, and those people are attracted to government work at the state and federal level.  Not quite so much at local PD/SD level.

“I serve the State” is not a USSR-specific phenomenon.

We all knew which side VSP would take.

Several people in a large audience shouted, it wasn’t “the crowd lost their shit.”

No, it isn’t the paycheck, there are people who simply believe government by definition can do no wrong.

I had a boss in the Army who was a nice, intelligent, family-loving man, lawyer, who firmly believed (1) a unit commander can do anything he wants and (2) FDR was perfectly right in ordering the Japs into concentration camps in WWII because “when government tells you to do something, you are required to do it. That is how government works. It exists to tell people what to do.”  It was quite shocking to hear from an officer sworn to uphold the Constitution.

The phrase “the banality of evil” comes to mind...

And we already know this. They will not be on our side nor will they look the other way.

Look, Virginia is on the precipice of a blood-soaked insurrection. VSP does keep lists, and his post is a great way to get on one.

Filing civil complaints just makes you a target.  Believing that filing a complaint will make those Cherubs Of Justice clean up their act is as pitifully naive at this point as believing in the Tooth Fairy, the Glock carbine, or Vltor’s Bren Ten.

I can't believe dumb boomers thought the VSP would show any sympathy...

More proof that power starts and ends at the barrel of a gun.

I'm sure this could happen,once,maybe twice, before some enterprising individuals figure out that they could draw them into an ambush by making a false report, you know like those swatting things that were so popular awhile back?

Hard for them to be oppressive when all of their cars have holes in their radiators.

Just saying.

That's a whole bunch of authoritah for that size of place.

You mean the ones they take home and park in their driveayws?

This. Then they get it in their head, they are right, we are wrong and also a possible threat to them, so they unite and pull tighter together as a group because of a perceived threat. No matter that the “threat” is law abiding citizens. The same people who would have stopped in freeway traffic this time last year to do whatever to help one out if he was in a burning cruiser from a wreck or getting his ass kicked to the point of near death. In their own sick twisted little minds, it is like how many Americans felt closer after 9/11. They feel righteous, and have a taste of power without the ability to critically analyze if the application of that power is just.

Don’t get me wrong, VA just like SC, GA, NC, TN, AL.....is full of good LEO’s who will do the right thing when their shit or shine moment comes. I have no doubt of that. But don’t for one NY minute doubt the fact that there are also plenty who would sell out their own mother’s to string you up on a charge no matter how unjust, just to pop a feather in their own hat.

I think this would be a real good time for you guys in VA to really do some friendly outreach to local level LEO’s and try to head off any division they wish to seek. Get to know the CoC, and express your concern openly in community meetings. This isn’t like NY where the frog has been in a slow boil for years. They bumped this pot on high and are about to toss in frogs just out of the pond. There will be pushback. I think they are counting on it. That needs to be diffused at a local level.

Your goal is to one, put a face, family, and community history to your name. You never know who you can connect with who may tip you off of something coming down the pipe in a year or two that saves your ass.

Secondly, you’ll be able to spot the local blue falcons and Farva’s pretty much right off the bat. Know who they are so you know who to avoid.

Many of your State Agencies have been stacking leadership with D’s for years now. Usually not so much in SO’s. A little worse in some PD’s, but for sure State Agencies. Always keep that in mind.

Did anyone refuse the order and get arrested?  Say what you will about the 9th Circuit, but using force to clear a 1st Amendment demonstration would not fly here.  Someone needs to volunteer to get arrested and have a Federal Civil Rights attorney ready to go.  Filing against the agency and the officers, individually, tends to educate and inform future enforcement actions.

Been posted before many times.

Lots of truth about things in this piece.

2nd Amendment And The Kool-Aid Drinkers by Paul Howe

I have quietly watched and evaluated the in pouring of e-mails reference the liberal’s intent to seize guns and crush the second amendment. I want to add a few of my own thoughts on this issue as I have worked in and around all the people who could be tasked to seize your guns.

WHO’S COMING TO GET THEM?

United Nations (UN)
We are the UN. Other countries mostly join the U.N. to secure money, funding and training and few have any offensive combat capability. Most serve as guards at static locations and have no will to fight. America is the enforcement arm of the U.N. We have the money, equipment, personnel and lift platforms to get the job done.

If the president ever let the U.N. in this country, it would be a foreign invasion and armed Americans would stand up and crush them in a day. Our government would break down and the president would be ousted for letting foreign militaries invade our country.

Federal Government Military
Having served over 20 years in our military, I know that most soldiers would refuse the order to take part in the confiscation of weapons. First, the president would have to give the order, which is an “Illegal Order” in violation of the constitution. I don’t believe that service members would go back into the communities that raised them and conduct raids on good Americans in violation of the constitution.

Remember, these forces would have to come from a military base that is surrounded and supported by American communities. Civilians would simply cease to support the bases and they would fold in a short time. Cut of the fuel, food, electricity on bases and this would stop the silliness. Also, many, many service members live in the communities and they would have to travel from their houses to base unless they were locked down. In that case, their families would still be in the community and people would not be too friendly to those supporting these actions.

Federal Government DHS or TSA
The Federal government is not large enough or talented enough to seize guns. If they were to do 5-8 raids a day seizing guns, they would be physically and mentally exhausted and need a break. Physically conducting raids is exhausting. After the first few raids, the word would get out and Americans would start to fight back. It would take one good ambush from a house or along a travel route to decimate a tactical force or make it combat ineffective

Next, most Federal Agencies work out of a fixed location centrally located in a community. Also, their personnel live in those communities along with their families. Once the word got out that they were doing raids in violation to the constitution, they and their families would be at risk. If they were to start raiding houses, kicking in doors and breaking in windows looking for legally owned guns, their homes would be subject to the same treatment by Americans rising up to defend themselves. They would shortly find themselves without a place to live.

State Law Enforcement
The Governor would have to order State and Local Law Enforcement to either:

Seize guns
Ignore the Federal Orders

If they ignore the Federal Orders, things would be tense, but people would be civil. If they started to seize guns, they only have limited people and assets to do this. Much the same consequences would take place as with the Federal Government.

Local Law Enforcement
Local Police and Sheriff Departments are the backbone of who protects American Citizens. A Sheriff or Chief of Police would have to give the order for his people to begin to seize weapons. Their people would either comply or see it as an illegal order and refuse.

Remember, Chiefs and Sheriff’s also have to live and work in the same communities they serve. As I described with the Federal Government, local Tactical Teams could probably only do 8-10 hits in a day and then need a break. So they hit ten houses and seize their guns, the word would get out and now they are subject to living in the same community as those they are attacking. It would not go well. Also, after one or two determined Americans or combat vets fought back, the team would lose many to death or injury and they would have made a decision whether to continue to push the fight. Remember also, they have to sleep sometime. Their homes and families would be at risk. It is an ugly scenario at best.

Nation of Combat Veterans and Patriots
Having been at war for over 10 years, we have a nation of combat vets and contractors that have seen more action than many of our WWII vets. It has been said that only a small percentage of Americans stood up to the British War machine in the Revolutionary War. Americans are better armed and trained today than at any time in our nation’s history. Think about what would happen if just our nation’s veterans stood up. People have been buying more guns and ammunition in the past five years than any time in my life. The guns and ammunition are out there along with the talent to use them.

Kool-Aid Drinkers
Kool-Aid Drinkers is the term I use to describe the Jonestown voluntarily massacre where the Peoples Temple Agricultural Project, a dedicated community western Guyana by the Peoples Temple led by cult leader Jim Jones intentionally drank poison Kool-Aid. Over 900 people died.

In every law enforcement, government and military agency or branch, there are a small number of Kool-Aid drinkers who would blindly follow orders. They would either be purged internally by their co-workers or people they attacked would stop their gene pool.

Also, at the police tactical team level, all members “volunteer” for the job and they can have the individual integrity to terminate their team service at any time if their profession becomes corrupt or misguided. I know many a good officer that has done that in the past.

Finally, there would be a certain number of American Kool-Aid drinkers that would turn in their weapons if asked. I believe it would be a small percentage as there are always those that do not have the will to resist or fight and they are not needed should thing get tough.

History of “Gun-Free Zones”
Our nation’s history is filled with examples of “gun-free” zones failed.

The Aurora Colorado movie massacre and the recent Connecticut shooting are two that come to mind. Also, remember the Fort Hood massacre where an Islamic extremist Major Nidal Malik Hasan killed 13 soldiers because our military bases are gun free zones. Combat trained soldiers had to be rescued by a security guard. That is embarrassing.

Evil came to all of these places and everyone was disarmed and not ready to fight back because they were gun free zones.
Think what would happen at a national level if the American people were disarmed. Another evil would come along either from inside our country or outside of it and resulting in our downfall.

How about others in recent history:
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

Solutions
Write your state representatives and let them know how you feel about this issue. I would like to think that most states would refuse the order.

Next, at the local level, talk to your Sheriff or Chief of Police and ask them if they would allow or support the federal government in their confiscation of firearms. Put them on the spot now and hold them accountable. I like to think that most states would refuse the order.

Should firearm confiscation begin, solutions are simple. If they cannot live in a community, they cannot work in a community. If their house goes away while they are at work confiscating guns, so be it. Allow them to leave with their family and what possessions they can pack in their car. Point them to California and let them know all the Hollywood types would be happy to financially support them in the fantasy land they wish to live in and that they are not welcome in Free America.

In the end I believe that guns are the glue that hold our country together. Guns keep the government in check and the individual American safe and free. Remove guns and the government will no longer be controlled by the people. The government will control the people.

Finally, it is claimed that the Battles of Lexington and Concord, in 1775 were started because General Gage attempted to carry out an order by the British government to disarm the population resulting in the “Shot heard round the world.”

About the Author
Paul R. Howe is a 20-year veteran and former Special Operations soldier and instructor. He owns Combat Shooting and Tactics (CSAT), where he consults with, trains and evaluates law enforcement and government agencies in technical and tactical techniques throughout the special operations spectrum. See www.combatshootingandtactics.com for details.

The more I think about it they should have broke out in a mass "shortness of breath" episode.....Seeing how they were "boomers" and all I'm sure they were all pretty shocked at being threatened the way they were....Perhaps food for thought the next time the po-po pulls that shit.

Next time there should be too many of us to handle. That next time will likely be a senate committee meeting.

I watched the video.

Gonna save the outrage for now.

Looks edited...like they were perhaps loud and disruptive and forced themselves out.

Jack Booted Thugs don't fear toothless sheep but they will mind their manners when outnumbered by sheep with dragon teeth.

Just look at Lobby day.

VA authorities might not see it, but those issuing their marching orders certainly do.

Look no further than the great state of Illionis, found a militia  down state

Filing complaints doesn't make you a target nor does it put you on some non-existent "list". Now, as to whether the complain will results in anything other than "we investigated ourselves and determined we did nothing wrong", that is a different argument and is far more likely.

As for the insurrection bit, the insurrection is already being conducted by the communists trying to turn Virginia into a Soviet-style dictatorship. They're halfway done and lots of folks haven't realized the insurrection started a month ago. If you're referring to The Great American Restoration where Constitutionality is restored to the Commonwealth, it remains to be seen how close we are to that. But make no mistake, the rule of law will be restored one way or another. We the People are the ultimate check on our government whether they like it or not.

I know where I stand, COC prevents me from going any farther.

Wow, so the two cops on here that say file complaints and seek legal redress are told we don't know what we don't know.  I am telling you:  use the tools the left uses on the police, all the time.  Have legal observers, like the National Lawyers Guild does, at all demonstrations and protests.  Have them wear day glo vests that say "LEGAL OBSERVER."  Also, instead of screaming about Nazis, find out if the committee has the authority to clear the gallery.  They might not.  If so, file complaints with whomever has authority over the legislators, like their Ethics Committee.  Pick sympathetic future plaintiffs, like retired school teachers or cops, who are willing to protest and get arrested the next time they try to clear a gallery.  Be passive resistors so it looks horrible when the physical arrests are made.  After arrests for 1st Amendment protected activity are made, sue for Federal Civil Rights violations.  Hit them in the pocketbook.  Believe me, seeing your name listed as DEFENDANT changes your perspective and behavior.

I think we're beyond that at this point.

Georgia stands with Virginia.

Tree of Liberty is in need of watering.

You’re wrong about that one.  Formal complaints are exceptionally effective way to put a bur under the saddle of big bureaucratic organizations.  Remember that these are structured organizations, the Professional Standards guys will make shit miserable just through their grinding soulless mentality.  It also puts more heat in the right spots for the internal arguments that are certainly going on right now.

People that were there need to be filing complaints.  Shit works.

They do that for a pay range between 40-70k a year... Why on earth would you protect scum and put yourself in such a liability for average pay.

Power and prestige.

Funny, the cops we encountered during lobby day were positively conciliatory. I wonder what changed?

That's the way to do it.

I might add that taking as much video as possible when these things happen may be extremely valuable.

Civil rights groups (under the guidance of the ACLU) ALWAYS advise mass deployment of (phone or other) cameras whenever any potential confrontation occurs.

Use their tactics.

We were armed that day.

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