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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:44:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Good.
Fuck those fucking fucks. Fuckers own big teams that make money? Let them buy their own fucking playgrounds and let the poor deluded fucks who like watching grown men play boy's games in tight pants pay for them. Why the fuck should I or any other tax payer give the first fucking red cent to some shit like that? |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:49:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly! The state will be there soon to provide the money. I remember the narrative that you can’t be a first class city without pro sports stadiums and teams. I chuckled sensibly when the Chargers told San Diego good bye. Now their old stadium is a nice new much much smaller college sized stadium and an empty lot and San Diego is still so much fucking better than most everyplace else |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:55:19 PM EDT
[#3]
Taxpayers shouldn’t pay for pro sports. It’s a billion dollar business, not the local boys and girls club.
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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:57:20 PM EDT
[#4]
We do that crap here too. Do professional sports teams not make a profit?
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:13:53 PM EDT
[#5]
If sports are so popular, then it should be no problem for them to pay for their OWN stadiums.
Here's a thought -- how about a deduction from each player's paycheck to help pay for the stadiums? Think they would go for that? |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:16:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will get shoved down their throats anyway. Politicians love box seats. They'll find a way. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:21:30 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If sports are so popular, then it should be no problem for them to pay for their OWN stadiums. Here's a thought -- how about a deduction from each player's paycheck to help pay for the stadiums? Think they would go for that? NFL is the only business that GD approves of taking money from the employees. Everything else gets rants about CEO pay and bonuses. Weird. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:33:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Maybe the team making billions can pay the upkeep on their own fucking stadium?
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:35:05 PM EDT
[#9]
This reminds me of when they were planning the speedway over 20 years ago and the mayor at the time wouldn’t move forward with it being built near KCI in Platte County (all within the KC city limits) because it wouldn’t benefit the inner city. KCK snapped that right up. Huge mistake by KCMO, but that is how the democratic controlled city rolls. And the current mayor is no different. They love the tax money that comes in from the Clay and Platte county portions of KC, but act like the only true KC is south of the river.
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:38:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “Vibrant arts district”. Lol. Get shot in the face and carjacked district is more like it.  Well, at least they got the "vibrant" right!
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:38:49 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will get shoved down their throats anyway. Politicians love box seats. /thread |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:39:40 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will get shoved down their throats anyway. Politicians love box seats. This is how it always ends. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:42:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If sports are so popular, then it should be no problem for them to pay for their OWN stadiums. Here's a thought -- how about a deduction from each player's paycheck to help pay for the stadiums? Think they would go for that? They could have Team work days where they show up and work . |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:48:41 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I live on Long Island and my shit bag governor is giving tax payer $$ to build the Bills new stadium....?? And guess who gets to have executive suites... at no cost? Hoohcal and Hasty. Misspelling on purpose grammar police. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:55:19 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the team making billions can pay the upkeep on their own fucking stadium? They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:16:53 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NFL is the only business that GD approves of taking money from the employees. Everything else gets rants about CEO pay and bonuses. Weird. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If sports are so popular, then it should be no problem for them to pay for their OWN stadiums. Here's a thought -- how about a deduction from each player's paycheck to help pay for the stadiums? Think they would go for that? NFL is the only business that GD approves of taking money from the employees. Everything else gets rants about CEO pay and bonuses. Weird. 100% Voluntary -- NO ONE has to be hired by the NFL, but they would be a fool to reject it. As to your "weird" thought: YES, I'd still consider a job that had mandatory deductions for things, as long as the overall pay was to my liking. Example: "We'll pay you $5 million a year, but there is a mandatory $100,000 deduction for office expenses". I'm fine with that. You think businesses do NOT consider "office expenses" (rent, utilities, upkeep, property taxes, etc) when they set salaries for the employees? You think all the Fat Cat CEO's just dig those expenses out of their "Ivory Backscratcher" bag of gold, and the employee salaries are unaffected? |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:33:54 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surprised Biden didn’t already offer 10 billion to build it. If ball fans want it so bad they surely won’t mind paying 2x-3x more for tickets to pay for it. Which is who SHOULD pay for these things, owners, players, fans and local businesses, voluntarily paying, paying extra for tickets, paying to watch games on tv / streaming, taking pay cuts, donating money, etc. shouldn’t be a taxpayer problem, nor should it cost taxpayers extra money either. If the owners and fans had to pay for it, you can bet they wouldn't be spending $2 billion. The price tag is only $2B when they're asking for someone else to pay for it. I'm sure they could get it built cheaper if they had to, but when taxpayer money is involved, it seems that no one questions the reason for the high price. They only argue about who will pay for it. Like K-12 and higher education. When a new elementary school needed to be built in our community, it had to have all the flash and dazzle, spare no expense. They build these schools for the status it brings the community and to the politicians and not to improve the education for the kids. Even the taxpayers get caught up in it and marvel at the excess spent on the schools. They forget that our founding fathers built this country after being educated in one-room schoolhouses. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:42:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe the team making billions can pay the upkeep on their own fucking stadium? They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. Found one. Aw, the taxpayers are not going to pay for your sportsball, hah! |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:45:33 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found one. Aw, the taxpayers are not going to pay for your sportsball, hah! They will, somewhere. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:48:42 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. The apartment analogy is a perfect, if the apartment tenant pays a fraction of the cost of the unit then insists that the whole thing get torn down and rebuilt because there's another set of apartments that are nicer. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:49:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They will, somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found one. Aw, the taxpayers are not going to pay for your sportsball, hah! They will, somewhere. There's a sucker born every minute. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:52:05 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's nothing wrong with Kaminski Park that gassing the rest of the neighborhood wouldn't fix. But if they really do move, you know, there is this other team a hell of a lot closer than St Louis... I can't do that. It's not possible. LOL I must admit though, at least the Cubs owner is trying to win. Unlike JR. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:52:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found one. Aw, the taxpayers are not going to pay for your sportsball, hah! |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:52:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted: Only taxpayers should have been allowed to vote on this It was a sales tax extension. Everybody pays sales tax. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:53:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The apartment analogy is a perfect, if the apartment tenant pays a fraction of the cost of the unit then insists that the whole thing get torn down and rebuilt because there's another set of apartments that are nicer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. The apartment analogy is a perfect, if the apartment tenant pays a fraction of the cost of the unit then insists that the whole thing get torn down and rebuilt because there's another set of apartments that are nicer. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:53:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't watch pro sports, but I do show concern for my hometowns propensity for being luddite level stupid. Somewhere else is going to bend over backwards to get an NFL and MLB franchise. Jackson county will continue its slide off into a hollowed out meth haven as St. Louis 2.0. The citizens can brag about taking that less-than half a percent sales tax savings "straight to the bank." You do have a point. Oakland was great before the Raiders left. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:54:51 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, and who else are you going to rent to when they leave? In this analogy there are only 32 apartment tenants in the entire world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. The apartment analogy is a perfect, if the apartment tenant pays a fraction of the cost of the unit then insists that the whole thing get torn down and rebuilt because there's another set of apartments that are nicer. So it's imperative that I keep losing money on this tenant because otherwise someone else will lose money on them? |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:04:33 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They will, somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Found one. Aw, the taxpayers are not going to pay for your sportsball, hah! They will, somewhere. I have absolutely no problem with the taxpayers somewhere paying for a new stadium. I have a huge problem with the taxpayers here paying for it, specifically because I'm one of the taxpayers here. If Las Vegas wants to pay for stadiums and the NFL wants to move the entire damn league to LV, my jimmies, as the jimmies of a Colorado resident, will remain unrustled. Until the LV taxpayers decide to tar and feather the officials who spend public money on those stadiums, in which case I might donate a pitchfork or a torch or a day's pay to ullatheir legal defense fund. That's speaking as the guy who, pre-covid, made a point of seeing a Cubs-Rockies game every year. Roll the stadium cost into the tickets and the hot dogs. I'd have been okay paying that, as the actual customer. But it would have been BS to demand my neighbors subsidize my nostalgia which is what stadium taxes do. ETA: I'm aware they're two different sports. But I can barely afford to drive past the Donkeys' stadium never mind go to any events there. At what those tickets cost Elway, Shanahan, Bowlen, the "be a coach for a day" contest winners at the school for the developmentally delayed who've been running the team, and the rest of them can all go have a feces-flinging contest with a monkey. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:04:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's imperative that I keep losing money on this tenant because otherwise someone else will lose money on them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They don't own the stadiums, the city does. That's like a landlord telling an apartment tenant to do major renovations on their own dime. You'll laugh and move somewhere else. This is a shortsighted move by KC, which has a history of shortsighted moves. Just like when TWA told them to make the (new at that time) airport palatable to airport security standards in the 70's. City said no and TWA moved their entire HQ and hub to St. Louis. Kansas City has to play ball or they're going to be the next Des Moines. A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. The apartment analogy is a perfect, if the apartment tenant pays a fraction of the cost of the unit then insists that the whole thing get torn down and rebuilt because there's another set of apartments that are nicer. So it's imperative that I keep losing money on this tenant because otherwise someone else will lose money on them? If you are using the analogy as the residents of the city as "I" then you are asking if you want a tenant at all. In this case it's a no. Then don't act surprised when the team leaves, just like the rams left St. Louis. If you know the people of KC, they will be in disbelief. Keep in mind these are the same residents that want to "preserve" the Truman sports complex because of its' 'great' location, which is on the side of I-70 in shitty ghetto suburbs. So I don't expect someone who feels that way to make an great decision. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:38:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is I? It's not coming out of the cities budget. You (being the city) aren't paying anything. If you are using the analogy as the residents of the city as "I" then you are asking if you want a tenant at all. In this case it's a no. Then don't act surprised when the team leaves, just like the rams left St. Louis. If you know the people of KC, they will be in disbelief. Keep in mind these are the same residents that want to "preserve" the Truman sports complex because of its' 'great' location, which is on the side of I-70 in shitty ghetto suburbs. So I don't expect someone who feels that way to make an great decision. St Louis has had 3 football teams leave. It's not a new thing. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:20:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taxpayers shouldn’t pay for pro sports. It’s a billion dollar business, not the local boys and girls club. the politicians will say $100 spent for $125 returned is good business 
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:24:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: St Louis has had 3 football teams leave. It's not a new thing. Yeah, well St. Louis sucks. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:34:01 PM EDT
[#33]
Buy your own fucking stadium
I have a lot of criticism to the people of San Francisco, but one thing we got right was when the Giants wanted the new stadium there were four separate ballot measures and four times, We told the Giants to fuck off and pay your own way. Guess what, they did. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:41:02 PM EDT
[#34]
I’m glad it failed. Got tired of all the chiefs flyers in the mail. It’s like the knew the royals didn’t have a chance.
They were doing this as sketchy as they could. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:54:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Just have recounts....over and over again.
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Posted: 4/3/2024 9:07:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Good. Never understood voting to pay to build a stadium for multimillionaire owners for their millionaire players to play in. Then charging the people that paid for it ridiculously high ticket prices to see a game.
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:19:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how many in KC realize these teams are going to move. way bigger metros out there now. It's not 1970 anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes we did. It was a surprise to me. The politicians will keep trying to get it passed one way or another. But for now they have been kicked to the curb way bigger metros out there now. It's not 1970 anymore. I socialize with many in KC Metro. Going out on a limb here. The majority of the No votes do realize they may leave and quite simply do not care. The general consensus was why the hell should we support the tax when we cannot and most likely never be able to afford to go to a game. Quoted: Yeah, well St. Louis sucks. St Louis was shithole 5 years ago when I left. Friends that stayed say it is much worse now. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:23:08 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I socialize with many in KC Metro. Going out on a limb here. The majority of the No votes do realize they may leave and quite simply do not care. The general consensus was why the hell should we support the tax when we cannot and most likely never be able to afford to go to a game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes we did. It was a surprise to me. The politicians will keep trying to get it passed one way or another. But for now they have been kicked to the curb way bigger metros out there now. It's not 1970 anymore. I socialize with many in KC Metro. Going out on a limb here. The majority of the No votes do realize they may leave and quite simply do not care. The general consensus was why the hell should we support the tax when we cannot and most likely never be able to afford to go to a game. Can’t afford to go to a Royals game? Yikes. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:23:36 PM EDT
[#39]
I'm from the Cleveland area. We are going through a similar issue also.
The Cleveland Browns ownership wants close to a billion dollars in improvements made to the twenty year old stadium they are currently in. They have also drawn a plans, as a little nudge for a new stadium in one of the city's suburbs where the team's management is located. This one has provisions for a covered stadium. This for a team with about 4 of 25 winning seasons.... ?? |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:27:06 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Fuck paying for that shit by the public. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:27:36 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let the owners pay for the whole thing |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:41:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t afford to go to a Royals game? Yikes. I admit I live among the working poor. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:55:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I admit I live among the working poor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can’t afford to go to a Royals game? Yikes. I admit I live among the working poor. Nah…I’m not knocking people on that level. You can get lower level tickets for $20. Upper level are $5-$10. They have areas with “cheap” food/drink (everything $6 and under). Parking is the most expensive at $30, but if you get a few people to go and split the cost, that isn’t a huge deal. If you want to go, that should be obtainable to just about everyone. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:55:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of people in KC are luddites that believe the city is desirable or unique. It's not. There are many major cities that think they have the influence of a NYC, LA or Chicago. Silly metros. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 1:15:02 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. Fuck paying for that shit by the public. Rich elites love wealth redistribution of the public treasury when it benefits them. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 1:27:22 AM EDT
[#46]
I don't follow pro-sports, but why do they need a new stadium when there is nothing wrong with the old stadium; keep in mind the old one was probably paid for?
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Posted: 4/4/2024 1:28:24 AM EDT
[#47]
If they cant get that approved now, they'll never get it
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Posted: 4/4/2024 1:36:46 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Taxpayers decided to not be suckers for a change. Look at Dodger Stadium. Always "renovating". https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/ballpark/stadium-upgrades privately financed probably the last one even if it was once public housing to 300 hispanic families. They received promises of "dibs" on a new project but .oh well pols said, .we're liars so sue us. .. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:10:47 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: St Louis has had 3 football teams leave. It's not a new thing. And one of those teams left after a new stadium was built for them. I think it was the Rams but not sure. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:02:53 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is I? It's not coming out of the cities budget. You (being the city) aren't paying anything. If you are using the analogy as the residents of the city as "I" then you are asking if you want a tenant at all. In this case it's a no. Then don't act surprised when the team leaves, just like the rams left St. Louis. If you know the people of KC, they will be in disbelief. Keep in mind these are the same residents that want to "preserve" the Truman sports complex because of its' 'great' location, which is on the side of I-70 in shitty ghetto suburbs. So I don't expect someone who feels that way to make an great decision. Got an ex in the KC area? Because for someone from TX you sure do have a lot of opinions on the KC "luddites".. I'm sorry they hurt you. |
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