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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:51:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:54:52 PM EDT
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. ETA: Apparently some Feds were there too so we'll add them to the mix, so the Waco boys don't feel like they're being picked on. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:56:31 PM EDT
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GUYS-ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE FEDS WERE INVOLVED AND PRESENT WHEN THIS ALL WENT DOWN. DONT ALLOW THE MEDIA TO DICTATE THE NARRATIVE BY THROWING IT ALL ON WACO PD AND A CROOKED PROSECUTORS OFFICE. 
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:56:32 PM EDT
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Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Yes they did. Also, every one of them was magistrated by a judge and sufficient reason to uphold that arrest was determined. No gold fringe was involved. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:57:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:58:01 PM EDT
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GUYS-ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE FEDS WERE INVOLVED AND PRESENT WHEN THIS ALL WENT DOWN. DONT ALLOW THE MEDIA TO DICTATE THE NARRATIVE BY THROWING IT ALL ON WACO PD AND A CROOKED PROSECUTORS OFFICE. I don't have enough tinfoil wrap that post. 
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:59:25 PM EDT
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The majority of those arrested are not members of outlaw clubs. There is a difference between a 1%er MC and a regular MC or RC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everybody in this thread keeps shouting OUTLAW BIKERS, 1%ers, and such. The facts are that this was a Confederation of Clubs meeting in which the majority of the participants are NOT outlaw 1% clubs. Two outlaw clubs showed up and started trouble. Confederation of Clubs is a political organization that seeks to promote motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling safety made up of mom and pop riding clubs where it really is about the bikes and the brotherhood, NOT running crank across the Mexican border. For a moment, imagine a huge gun rights rally. Imagine a n'erdowell or two shoots a couple of guys. Imagine the police security shooting more people and then arresting ALL atendees of the rally and holding them on $1m bail. Or, imagine a peaceful protest rally where a black youth was killed (right or wrong) by police. Imagine a trouble maker opening fire killing a couple of people. Imagine the police shooting more people and arresting ALL attendees of the protest and holding them on $1m bail. That kind of shit does not fly in America. The police, even if they were justified in shooting some people, overreached and violated civil rights by arresting EVERYBODY on the scene with a vest on and then holding them with a ridiculous bail amount. When you are part of a criminal organization and identify with one at the scene of a crime you will probably be arrested. The majority of those arrested are not members of outlaw clubs. There is a difference between a 1%er MC and a regular MC or RC. No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 3:59:54 PM EDT
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I have suspected since this happened that one of the cops was trigger happy or just had poor trigger discipline. They seem to have a tendency to all open up if one shoots. There appears to be a lot of backtracking going on. This is an interesting read on the subject. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/27/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-the-crossfire/ Conservativetreehouse is whackadoodle bullshit conspiracy site FWIW |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:02:53 PM EDT
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GUYS-ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE FEDS WERE INVOLVED AND PRESENT WHEN THIS ALL WENT DOWN. DONT ALLOW THE MEDIA TO DICTATE THE NARRATIVE BY THROWING IT ALL ON WACO PD AND A CROOKED PROSECUTORS OFFICE. I heard that CTU was on-scene. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:03:39 PM EDT
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Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:04:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:06:02 PM EDT
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Yes they did. Also, every one of them was magistrated by a judge and sufficient reason to uphold that arrest was determined. No gold fringe was involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Yes they did. Also, every one of them was magistrated by a judge and sufficient reason to uphold that arrest was determined. No gold fringe was involved. Yeah, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on anything related to LEO. You're about the worst of the worst for LEO excuse makers that I've seen around here. I don't think I've ever seen you admit police have made a mistake. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:08:01 PM EDT
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If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:09:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on anything related to LEO. You're about the worst of the worst for LEO excuse makers that I've seen around here. I don't think I've ever seen you admit police have made a mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Yes they did. Also, every one of them was magistrated by a judge and sufficient reason to uphold that arrest was determined. No gold fringe was involved. Yeah, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on anything related to LEO. You're about the worst of the worst for LEO excuse makers that I've seen around here. I don't think I've ever seen you admit police have made a mistake. Then you are not looking very hard, but then again, that's those blinders you so eagerly wear. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:09:23 PM EDT
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FWIW that story is about as legit or reputable as the conspiracy bullshit the biker wannabes are posting. Its just a story, nothing more.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:10:23 PM EDT
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I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. Yes, it was quite fun going thru all the news pics and seeing who was who in the organization. Going to be lots of open spots in the gang now.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:11:27 PM EDT
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I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. Right but are all symbols known? Are all MC groups known? Are all colors known? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:11:55 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on anything related to LEO. You're about the worst of the worst for LEO excuse makers that I've seen around here. I don't think I've ever seen you admit police have made a mistake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. Yes they did. Also, every one of them was magistrated by a judge and sufficient reason to uphold that arrest was determined. No gold fringe was involved. Yeah, I'm sure you'll understand if I don't take your word on anything related to LEO. You're about the worst of the worst for LEO excuse makers that I've seen around here. I don't think I've ever seen you admit police have made a mistake. You must not have yet met our resident killdozer operator. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:12:55 PM EDT
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What's your point? Those guys are idiots too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everybody in this thread keeps shouting OUTLAW BIKERS, 1%ers, and such. The facts are that this was a Confederation of Clubs meeting in which the majority of the participants are NOT outlaw 1% clubs. Two outlaw clubs showed up and started trouble. Confederation of Clubs is a political organization that seeks to promote motorcyclists' rights and motorcycling safety made up of mom and pop riding clubs where it really is about the bikes and the brotherhood, NOT running crank across the Mexican border. For a moment, imagine a huge gun rights rally. Imagine a n'erdowell or two shoots a couple of guys. Imagine the police security shooting more people and then arresting ALL atendees of the rally and holding them on $1m bail. Or, imagine a peaceful protest rally where a black youth was killed (right or wrong) by police. Imagine a trouble maker opening fire killing a couple of people. Imagine the police shooting more people and arresting ALL attendees of the protest and holding them on $1m bail. That kind of shit does not fly in America. The police, even if they were justified in shooting some people, overreached and violated civil rights by arresting EVERYBODY on the scene with a vest on and then holding them with a ridiculous bail amount. When you are part of a criminal organization and identify with one at the scene of a crime you will probably be arrested. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Keystone1/Blue%20Knights/1bk6.jpg What's your point? Those guys are idiots too. You know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been around several of those guys from the Chicago area. They like to come up to the area where I live once or twice a year. To be honest with you I'd rather deal with the Outlaws, and some other 1% groups than with the Blue Knights. They seem to be bigger assholes than the 1%ers do. 
This is coming from a 60 year old guy that has been riding since I was 14. I actually have no use for either group. Just stating that the difference between those two groups is minimal, at best. Oh except that the one group is current or retired LEO's. I ride alone or with a couple of friends. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:13:21 PM EDT
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JIA is more level headed then me I try and try and no one will call me a bastard
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:15:08 PM EDT
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JIA is more level headed then me I try and try and no one will call me a bastard It's because your avatar is too cute. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:15:41 PM EDT
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JIA is more level headed then me I try and try and no one will call me a bastard It's because your avatar is too cute. DAMN YOU XCR! |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:17:56 PM EDT
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Right but are all symbols known? Are all MC groups known? Are all colors known? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cite to that MC being a criminal organization? Were they at the shooting in Waco? Did the Waco police have articulable reason to arrest nearly every member present? Is being in the vicinity while someone you are tangentially associated with breaks a law, good enough PC to mass-arrest people and hold them on $1M bail? That's why the city need it's collective ass handed to it in court for civil rights violations, unless they had PC for every arrest. By holding them on such outrageous bail, they're just compounding it. If you are a member of a criminal organization and you were present for a crime you can be arrested. My thoughts and questions on this are: How many people were arrested that were not part of a criminal MC group or a sub group of a criminal MC group? If their MC group was not part of a criminal one why would they want to be around one that is? Wouldn't it make sense to not be around trouble? Is the Govt going to come in with RICO charges? How long is it going to take for that agency and area to determine which MC groups were involved and which were not? What charges have they used on people so far? I don't know much about what is going on down there. I haven't followed the original thread so I am late to the game. I bet the prosecutors are appreciative of their cute little vests with handy identifiers, rank, etc., including sweet little symbols announcing they are part of the small minority of bikers who consider themselves criminals. Right but are all symbols known? Are all MC groups known? Are all colors known? I'm sure the government has spent more time compiling information, and inserting undercover guys, in MCs than they have non-white gangs and actual terrorist groups combined. Though to be fair, I'm sure undercover biker is always preferable to undercover terrorist, or undercover ms13 when it comes time to get volunteers. Let's see, drink, grow a beard and get a Harley? Or pray to Mecca 5x per day / get head cut off? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:22:26 PM EDT
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I'm sure the government has spent more time compiling information, and inserting undercover guys, in MCs than they have non-white gangs and actual terrorist groups combined. Don't have to. The Bandidos themselves print out an orientation booklet for new prospects.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 4:37:10 PM EDT
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Here's a nice quote from the attorney that put this up on his site (Looney): http://kdhnews.com/news/texas/attorneys-waco-shooting-detainees-could-be-legal-liability/article_0bed7304-08e1-11e5-894e-a7ed4c5d990b.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
Here's a nice quote from the attorney that put this up on his site (Looney): At first, Paul Looney, who is representing William and Morgan English, said McLennan County public defenders were involved in circulating the document, but in a later Facebook post, Looney clarified his blame for the incident.
“That entire debacle was orchestrated by McLennan County private attorney Brittany Lannen,” Looney said. “Her behavior will be reported to the State Bar of Texas for investigation this week.” http://kdhnews.com/news/texas/attorneys-waco-shooting-detainees-could-be-legal-liability/article_0bed7304-08e1-11e5-894e-a7ed4c5d990b.html BTW, Brittany Lannen? Smokin' hot, from what I saw. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:23:54 PM EDT
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GUYS-ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT AND REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE FEDS WERE INVOLVED AND PRESENT WHEN THIS ALL WENT DOWN. DONT ALLOW THE MEDIA TO DICTATE THE NARRATIVE BY THROWING IT ALL ON WACO PD AND A CROOKED PROSECUTORS OFFICE. http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/prosecutor-dispute-uncovers-alleged-deal-to-bury-dwi-cases/article_d316320a-0cb3-560e-aa97-de30364154a9.html |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I am guessing no cite's? Quote HistoryQuoted: So I am guessing no cite's?  |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:32:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2015 5:50:55 PM EDT
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Tangled web indeed....
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:38:55 PM EDT
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No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 6:57:45 PM EDT
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What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Really, they arrested 170 people? Mass arrests are never good for the city coffer. Keeping them in jail for a prolong time is asking defense lawyers to rape the city dry. No wonder they are nervous. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:10:31 PM EDT
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Really, they arrested 170 people? Mass arrests are never good for the city coffer. Keeping them in jail for a prolong time is asking defense lawyers to rape the city dry. No wonder they are nervous Who is nervous? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:11:33 PM EDT
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Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Were they part of the altercation? Lot of different things one might get arrested for in that shitshow. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:13:35 PM EDT
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Were they part of the altercation? Lot of different things one might get arrested for in that shitshow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Were they part of the altercation? Lot of different things one might get arrested for in that shitshow. Not these dudes. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:31:54 PM EDT
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Not these dudes. Honest question: how do you know? Have you seen their charging documents? Do you have any evidence to base that belief upon? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:32:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? The Boozefighters were detained and then released (approx. 68 people). Counting Mom and Pop groups there were 9 patched organizations at the restaurant. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:42:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:42:41 PM EDT
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Honest question: how do you know? Have you seen their charging documents? Do you have any evidence to base that belief upon? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not these dudes. Honest question: how do you know? Have you seen their charging documents? Do you have any evidence to base that belief upon? Yeah, I know them personally. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 7:44:54 PM EDT
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The Boozefighters were detained and then released (approx. 68 people). Counting Mom and Pop groups there were 9 patched organizations at the restaurant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one was arrested for beloing to a club. They were arrested for engaging in organized criminal activity. A riddle for you. aIf six different clubs were present according to all the blogs, why were just members of two arrested? The answer is that they were the two clubs engaged in organized criminal activity. That is 100% false. And being from Austin, you should've seen it on the news. Three members of ViseGrip MC were arrested and held on $1m bail. ViseGrip is a club of guys that is based on their love of antique motorcycles. They are NOT a 1%er outlaw MC nor are they affiliated with any 1%er outlaw MC. I know two of those guys personally. They were arrested for being at a Confederation of Clubs meeting with vests on after a shooting happened. Their lives have been ruined from loss of income while in jail for doing nothing along with mounting legal bills. They are currently out on reduced bail as of a few days ago. What about all of the bikers wearing colors that were released after the shooting and not charged? Cite? And what about them if that were true? They arrested 170 people and held them on $1million bail, most of which had no criminal record. Firefighters and family men. The ViseGrip guys are NOT a 1%er outlaw club and are NOT affiliated with a 1%er outlaw club. They are a club centered around building and riding 70 year old knuckleheads and panheads. You seriously think everybody they arrested and held on such high bail were Bandidos or Cossacks? The Boozefighters were detained and then released (approx. 68 people). Counting Mom and Pop groups there were 9 patched organizations at the restaurant. So only Boozefighters were released without arrest? How many of the 9 patched clubs were "criminal organizations" outlaw 1% clubs? Lots of people arrested and held on $1million bail that were NOT Bandidos or Coassacks. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:01:55 PM EDT
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No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant.
You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:48:50 PM EDT
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No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant. You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. Hard to believe 170 people were dumb enough to have incriminated themselves leading to a charge of "organized crime" with a $1million bail. Seriously. Have you EVER seen 170 people arrested at once? Have you ever seen 170 people arrested at once with a million dollar bail? I told you, I know two (of three arrested) guys personally that their only crime was the love of antique motorcycles and motorcyclists' rights and were no way affiliated with outlaw type stuff, fighting, or murder that sat in jail for weeks with a million dollar bond that was eventually reduced to $25,000. So what changed from the initial interview and magistrate warrant???????? Something is fishy. I'm sure a gang fight went down that day. I'm sure some gang members murdered some people that day. I'm sure the police shot some people accidentally and/or on purpose that day. I'm sure it was not a "police setup" or any other such nonsense that day. I'm sure the police responded to a violent situation the best they could that day. And whether you will admit it or not, I'M SURE that not everybody arrested that day and given a million dollar bond were involved in organized crime. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:56:23 PM EDT
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I WRITE ONLY TO EXPRESS ADMIRATION FOR YOUR STYLE AND TO REQUEST ACCEPTANCE AS A COOL GUY OR MAYBE HANGER-ON. I OFFER THIS POST AS PROOF OF QUALIFICATION. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IF I TYPE IN CAPS IT OVERCOMES THE LACK OF LEGITIMACY. ITS ALSO CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL I WRITE ONLY TO EXPRESS ADMIRATION FOR YOUR STYLE AND TO REQUEST ACCEPTANCE AS A COOL GUY OR MAYBE HANGER-ON. I OFFER THIS POST AS PROOF OF QUALIFICATION. 
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:01:52 PM EDT
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No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant. You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:04:24 PM EDT
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Funny, I perused the Waco news media today. They only mentioned two people, a husband and wife, getting their bond reduced. Maybe the local reporters are not on top of the biggest story to happen in their town in 20 years? I can imagine that they might not have time for it what with rain and barking dogs and stuff like that being more important.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:05:04 PM EDT
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Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant. You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. This, Exactly this. They arrested first, set high bond, in order to sort it out later. Civil rights were violated. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:08:19 PM EDT
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Where did gene go? Disappeared awfully quick.
Oh, never mind, looks like his sidecar life partner is picking up the slack.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, Exactly this. They arrested first, set high bond, in order to sort it out later. Civil rights were violated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant. You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. This, Exactly this. They arrested first, set high bond, in order to sort it out later. Civil rights were violated. Maybe, just maybe the news media doesn't have access to all of the paperwork, timeline of events or investigative information to release yet. I don't have all of the information and neither do you but filling in the gaps of fact with your own unsubstantiated ideas doesn't change that you simply don't know. You are being obtuse. No one likes a Terd with sharp edges. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one was arrested without a review from a magistrate and warrant issued. The police didn't arrest anyone they conducted the investigation and then presented the information to the magistrate who issued the warrant. You do understand that EVERYONE was interviewed before any arrests were made, right? Internet hysteria is just that, hysteria. Really? I have yet to see that description in any of the reported information. And, exactly how would the cops have presented information on 250+ people within the span of a few minutes? They were arrested first, then processed. It could not have been otherwise. This is why they are so nervous - they know that there's dozens of skilled lawyers who will eat their lunch and cost the local population millions in payouts. Please define the highlighted portion of your post. |
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