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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:42:16 AM EST
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I love steve Jobs. I love his ideas, his ability to create and his ability to MARKET. I love every one of my many many APPLE products. He made me a very rich man (well - I had to put some cash in too!) R.I.P. Steve Jobs. 
for the haters - did you forget to buy? Not a hater, but I sure did!! Wish I had had the money to buy LOTS of Apple stock when it was under $9 years ago!! |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:45:30 AM EST
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1. He had adopted parents....okay? 2. Dropped out of school because it was expensive and he didn't want to burden his parents....okay? 3. Point taken, although he later helped make them billionares 4. Married to the same wife 20 years and skipped a business meeting to be with her...okay? 5. His sister is a famous author....okay? 6. He dated people?!....okay? 7. Point taken, although he eventually did man up to his daughter born out of wedlock. 8. Experimented with drugs during the hippie movement?!....okay? 9. A CEO that pays himself $1 a year in salary....okay? I really don't get your point. 7/9 either paint him in a neutral or favorable light. 1 is questionable and 1 is indeed scumbagish. [don't own an Apple product and don't care too] He didn't pay himself $1 a year salary because he was a good person. He did it to avoid the heavy income tax burden and I most of his money came from stocks where he would only pay the capital gains tax. It's actually quite common for people who own companies to do this sort of thing. Warren Buffet only pays himself a 100k but he didn't get to be worth tens of billions by smartly investing that 100k a year. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:48:40 AM EST
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I love steve Jobs. I love his ideas, his ability to create and his ability to MARKET. I love every one of my many many APPLE products. He made me a very rich man (well - I had to put some cash in too!) R.I.P. Steve Jobs.
for the haters - did you forget to buy? Not a hater, but I sure did!! Wish I had had the money to buy LOTS of Apple stock when it was under $9 years ago!! No shit, shoulda followed Dan Taylor's lead. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:49:56 AM EST
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So as long as a person makes a lot of money and gives the peasants some neat toys then they are a great person even though that person treats people like crap. As long as they are successful it doesn't matter how they got there. I view greatness the exact opposite. Money doesn't make you great it's what you do for others that does. For those that believe being a dick gets positive results from your subordinates try treating your kids like that and see where they end up. Adults are just kids that cover their emotions better. Anyone else find it ironic that PC killed Steve Jobs. Just sayin...... I wish that that type of wasting, painful death on NO one... My grandmother died of cancer. it claimed her lower mandible long before it claimed her life. ANY type of cancer is horrible to die from. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:51:17 AM EST
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He was human and all that comes with it. But look at the company he ran and how profitable it is. He is also credited with all but saving the music industry with itunes. Not a saint, not far from a scumbag! There's the deal. Music and phones equals worship, something very unimportant mistaken for something irreplaceable. How do you figure?? They are PRODUCTS? I haven't heard any songs in tribute to him, or phones designed in his image.... |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:03:02 AM EST
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This was a great guy
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:06:15 AM EST
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I never really saw the hype. Sure he was a CEO of a big company, but if the CEO of Conoco Phillips were to kick the bucket tomorrow I'd probably say RIP then get on with the day. Maybe its because I never owned an Apple product, so I guess he never changed my world. Now Gates, he changed the world. The CEO of Conoco Phillips didn't start CP in his garage, and change the way people used technology in the span of his adult life. As for Gates, he was no different than Jobs in most respects, except he was a bigger asshole. Gates didn't 'invent' anything either. MSDOS was a sham when he sold it to IBM. Windows was a crappy, buggy reversed engineered copy of the original Apple GUI (Which was a well done theft of the GUI that TI had been working on) ,which Gates stole through very underhanded business practices. And there is a lot more negative stuff that can be said about Gates and MS, but I'll leave it at that.. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:12:16 AM EST
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I just don't get the "He changed the world." crowd. I mean, I like Apple products and all, but how the fuck do you get that he changed the world? Also, I'm sure dirt could be dug up on just about anyone to make them seem douchey. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Really? Noting Jobs and Apple did change the world? Nothing? 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:19:11 AM EST
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Yeah for me he made a great phone but from what I read....the guy was a borderline scumbag if you asked me. All due respect and all but he was no saint. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html He was one of those evil rich people!!!!! Oh yea, he changed your life for the better BTW. Whether you knew it or not. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:26:46 AM EST
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So, does this mean Steve Jobs will NOT be on Dancing With The Stars next season? Nope- He's testing a new app: iDEAD! 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:27:02 AM EST
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Yeah for me he made a great phone but from what I read....the guy was a borderline scumbag if you asked me. All due respect and all but he was no saint. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html Sorry, brother, but I see nothing there that is worth hating him for or for which he didn't make amends later in life. Yes, he was a liberal, and as Rush said, I pity him for that, but Jobs did far more good than evil in his life. Lord, have mercy on Steve Jobs... |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 3:29:22 AM EST
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Yes I do, he was a bad father. So am I, though not by choice. Don't hate me, too. 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 2:49:05 PM EST
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Yeah for me he made a great phone but from what I read....the guy was a borderline scumbag if you asked me. All due respect and all but he was no saint. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html Sorry, brother, but I see nothing there that is worth hating him for or for which he didn't make amends later in life. Yes, he was a liberal, and as Rush said, I pity him for that, but Jobs did far more good than evil in his life. Lord, have mercy on Steve Jobs... Zap....you've got to know I didn't "hate" the guy. I'm only pointing out some stuff the liberal media is not putting out about Jobs during this love fest they are pushing; yes it was deliberately inflammatory, for that I apologize. Have you noticed how they are linking up Jobs to Ombama ad nauseum? It's sickenly hypocritical too! This is the poster boy for the term "Millionaires and Billionaires" and they are using his as an icon? I've been following Jobs since he came back to Apple and I admire the man for his discipline and skills as a business man, I part company with the sycophants when they start talking about how he "changed the world" Your last post: you know I think you're aces and from what I'm reading into that post; I doubt you denied as Jobs did; I also doubt you dropped acid and gave tons of money to libs 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:32:28 PM EST
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1. He had adopted parents....okay? 2. Dropped out of school because it was expensive and he didn't want to burden his parents....okay? 3. Point taken, although he later helped make them billionares 4. Married to the same wife 20 years and skipped a business meeting to be with her...okay? 5. His sister is a famous author....okay? 6. He dated people?!....okay? 7. Point taken, although he eventually did man up to his daughter born out of wedlock. 8. Experimented with drugs during the hippie movement?!....okay? 9. A CEO that pays himself $1 a year in salary....okay? I really don't get your point. 7/9 either paint him in a neutral or favorable light. 1 is questionable and 1 is indeed scumbagish. [don't own an Apple product and don't care too] He didn't pay himself $1 a year salary because he was a good person. He did it to avoid the heavy income tax burden and I most of his money came from stocks where he would only pay the capital gains tax. It's actually quite common for people who own companies to do this sort of thing. Warren Buffet only pays himself a 100k but he didn't get to be worth tens of billions by smartly investing that 100k a year. oh noes. smart people actually figure what the law says and take the best path. OMG!!1! letsfingburnthemall. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:36:28 PM EST
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To me succesful business men rank just under Military veterans and public servants when it comes to social status. Though there are exceptions to the rule he was what he was. A succesful business man. God bless him and his family.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:36:58 PM EST
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bill gates was much more of a humanitarian
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:39:31 PM EST
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He was king of the idiots. Not the new Edison. He took things that already existed and said "people are too fucking stupid to figure this out. make it easy" and made billions. He is not a revolutionary inventor like the fan boys claim but he was a damned brilliant businessman. A friend of mine that invents crap for a living once told me "Every time you hear someone say shit, fuck , damn it , motherfucker, or anything like that not in a sentence, you are likely witnessing an invention that could make you money or an improvement on an existing product that could make you money." I would love to hear your qualifications to make that statement. I’m no fanboy, the only Apple product I’ve ever owned is a Shuffle. I am however an engineer and I do own a product development firm. I started my business in a garage too. I guess if I work hard and become successful I’m just another idiot that got lucky? Edison’s best known “invention” is the incandescent lightbulb. This was an invention that Edison improved; he did not have the original idea. I'm sure that you are posting here from your phonograph. Please enlighten us though. 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:42:12 PM EST
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I worked for a billionaire who of course had billionaire friends.
That includes Jobs, Gates and a few others. Out of respect for his family I will say nothing. I will however pass this along. None of them I met accumulated that kind of net worth without stepping over a pile of bodies to get there....figuratively speaking of course. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 5:56:38 PM EST
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Didn't know him.
Really can't comment. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:05:44 PM EST
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:08:15 PM EST
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Of course it did. Probably taken involuntarily from one of his chinese iphone factory slaves. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:09:42 PM EST
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I read that.
Where's the scumbag part? |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:12:03 PM EST
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I am personal friends with one of his doctors that worked on him in Memphis, said Jobs was a very difficult man to deal with and a nasty person.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:17:15 PM EST
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Quoted: bill gates was much more of a humanitarian I'm sure all that money they are flushing down the toilet in Africa will leave a lasting impression on the world. If I'm wrong, somebody's grand kids can feel free to scoff at me. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:25:08 PM EST
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bill gates was much more of a humanitarian I'm sure all that money they are flushing down the toilet in Africa will leave a lasting impression on the world. If I'm wrong, somebody's grand kids can feel free to scoff at me. You've been a bit more contrary then normal. Everything alright on your end? |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:30:47 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: bill gates was much more of a humanitarian I'm sure all that money they are flushing down the toilet in Africa will leave a lasting impression on the world. If I'm wrong, somebody's grand kids can feel free to scoff at me. You've been a bit more contrary then normal. Everything alright on your end? I've felt giving money to Africa is a waste for decades. If Bill Gates and Warren Buffet want to dump billions over there, hey, it's their money. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:32:52 PM EST
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didn't know him personally but he contributed quite a bit and should be recognized for that He was a great businessman and drove his employees to the point where they were afraid to "catch an elevator" with him for fear of his epic firings for disagreeing with him. He denied paternity for years to his first daughter and was well known for anti-philanthropy contributions. Try reading the article the article before calling me cold. He was a great businessman. That is not a historically notable achievement. The man was a true innovator, not to be confused with inventor. His work changed the lives of billions of humans. Was he a prick? It sounds like he was. Lots of people are nice; you will never know their names. I don’t have the ability to judge his heart. Do you? Yes I do, he was a bad father. http://www.minyanville.com/special-features/articles/lisa-brennan-jobs-business-icons-rich/8/31/2010/id/29768 She doesn't seem to judge him quite so harshly. He did play father to his other 3 kids. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:36:31 PM EST
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We discussed that this morning at bible study - general consensus was not. I am sure others can point out the splinters.
–––– funny, our bible study is usually in Wozniak Hall. Coincidence? –––– He is more a Chester A Arther rather than a Louise Martin. (bet someone knows those references). |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:41:08 PM EST
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So as long as a person makes a lot of money and gives the peasants some neat toys then they are a great person even though that person treats people like crap. As long as they are successful it doesn't matter how they got there. I view greatness the exact opposite. Money doesn't make you great it's what you do for others that does. For those that believe being a dick gets positive results from your subordinates try treating your kids like that and see where they end up. Adults are just kids that cover their emotions better. Anyone else find it ironic that PC killed Steve Jobs. Just sayin...... Too clever by half..... |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:42:08 PM EST
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Quoted: I just don't get the "He changed the world." crowd. I mean, I like Apple products and all, but how the fuck do you get that he changed the world? You would get it if you understood what Apple did best was Market their image. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:45:36 PM EST
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The only question I have is will the world morn the same if Rex Tillerson were to suffer the same fate as Steve Jobs?
No? Didn't think so. Sad, really... At the end of the day, it is sad that he died - just as it is sad that we will all die one day. He was just a man, not a god, as is being suggested. (And I own three ipods). |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:46:42 PM EST
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yes, he made more jobs in the world then 0
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:48:49 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that most guys that are driven enough to create or revolutionize an industry are going to be an asshole of a boss.
Edison, asshole. Ford, asshole. Gates, asshole. Thank god for assholes. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:49:02 PM EST
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I'm surprised so many here personally knew him. The guy that wrote his forthcoming biography probably welcomes all the haters. They'll buy the book for the morsels that feed their hate....and reading the book will convince them they were in the same room with him SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME.... And he didn't even buy them a beer. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:49:27 PM EST
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He didn't pay himself $1 a year salary because he was a good person. He did it to avoid the heavy income tax burden He could have commanded almost any price he liked, and many CEOs structure things so that they get a substantial amount of cash. His Apple stock was worth only a couple billion, which is chump change in comparison the the value he added to the company. The stock options he was granted were not huge. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:49:53 PM EST
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I don't really care what kind of person he was. He was a business genius, and he has my respect.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 6:52:35 PM EST
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Quoted: He was king of the idiots. Not the new Edison. He took things that already existed and said "people are too fucking stupid to figure this out. make it easy" and made billions. He is not a revolutionary inventor like the fan boys claim but he was a damned brilliant businessman. All this makes him a hell of a lot like Edison. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:00:05 PM EST
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Steve Jobs was a modern day Thomas Edison.
Those who have studied Edison would agree. 
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:07:23 PM EST
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I'm pretty sure that most guys that are driven enough to create or revolutionize an industry are going to be an asshole of a boss. Edison, asshole. Ford, asshole. Gates, asshole. By most accounts, Gates is not an asshole. Neither are Ballmer or Wozniak. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:17:21 PM EST
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Quoted: I didn't call him an idiot I said he was brilliant. "king of the idiots" is referring to his business model. take something that exists and make it so easy a kid can use it since most people are idiots. Quoted: He was king of the idiots. Not the new Edison. He took things that already existed and said "people are too fucking stupid to figure this out. make it easy" and made billions. He is not a revolutionary inventor like the fan boys claim but he was a damned brilliant businessman. A friend of mine that invents crap for a living once told me "Every time you hear someone say shit, fuck , damn it , motherfucker, or anything like that not in a sentence, you are likely witnessing an invention that could make you money or an improvement on an existing product that could make you money." I would love to hear your qualifications to make that statement. I’m no fanboy, the only Apple product I’ve ever owned is a Shuffle. I am however an engineer and I do own a product development firm. I started my business in a garage too. I guess if I work hard and become successful I’m just another idiot that got lucky? Edison’s best known "invention” is the incandescent lightbulb. This was an invention that Edison improved; he did not have the original idea. I'm sure that you are posting here from your phonograph. Please enlighten us though. amazing how defensive people get over this guy and apple products.  |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:30:51 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm pretty sure that most guys that are driven enough to create or revolutionize an industry are going to be an asshole of a boss. Edison, asshole. Ford, asshole. Gates, asshole. By most accounts, Gates is not an asshole. Neither are Ballmer or Wozniak. I think Gates and Balmer are pretty demanding. Putting them in with Ford and Edison is probably too much, though. They are certainly brutal to the opposition. Woz is a techie, not a hardcore executive. All I've ever heard is that he was really nice, brilliant, and got raped on the business side. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:35:59 PM EST
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What? You're pisse that he did not rape and pillage the company like most CEOs do?
What other CEO accomplished what he did? He could've clamied a billion-dollar salary, by the performance standards of most CEOs, but he didn't. Ther is something noble about that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:43:39 PM EST
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He got his billions.
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:47:22 PM EST
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Steve Jobs and his minions are leftist loving cock suckers. He gave squat to anything I care about. He is dead.
Next topic? |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 7:49:51 PM EST
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He killed my brother and raped my sister.
I don't care for him too much. |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 8:03:51 PM EST
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Quoted: Yeah for me he made a great phone but from what I read....the guy was a borderline scumbag if you asked me. All due respect and all but he was no saint. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/8-things-didn-t-know-life-steve-jobs-172130955.html You must be as bored as me.... |
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Posted: 10/7/2011 8:19:21 PM EST
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Quoted: I'm pretty sure that most guys that are driven enough to create or revolutionize an industry are going to be an asshole of a boss. Edison, asshole. Ford, asshole. Gates, asshole. Thank god for assholes. And those that call them assholes are usually the ones that they passed by while succeeding. Steve fired you? BooHoo, you should have learned to keep your mouth shut when in his presence and you were no where near as valuable of as an employee as you thought you were. Steve promoted you? Guess you knew how to keep your mouth shut and do your job...... |
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Posted: 10/8/2011 3:32:22 AM EST
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I think this article sums up most of the arfkom sentiment on iJobs and his tyrannical business behaviour. Who knows, maybe someone from the future came back to terminate him ala John Connor.
Why Richard M Stallman Is Right About Steve Jobs "Steve Jobs, the pioneer of the computer as a jail made cool, designed to sever fools from their freedom, has died. As Chicago Mayor Harold Washington said of the corrupt former Mayor Daley, "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." Nobody deserves to have to die - not Jobs, not Mr. Bill, not even people guilty of bigger evils than theirs. But we all deserve the end of Jobs' malign influence on people's computing. Unfortunately, that influence continues despite his absence. We can only hope his successors, as they attempt to carry on his legacy, will be less effective." |
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Posted: 10/8/2011 3:44:51 AM EST
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Quite simply, he changed the world. And what have you done, OP? +1 Like it or not he was a visionary inventor and businessman. Sure he had some quirks and yes he was a liberal but what he produced in his life time is far beyond what anyone on ARFCOM ever even attempted. His legacy will go on for a long time to come. He was the epitome of the American entrepreneurial spirit and a national treasure. |
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Posted: 10/8/2011 3:51:10 AM EST
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Did you by chance catch Rush today? Great piece on his thought about Jobs. The man changed the world in which we live...he is one of the most profound Americans ever. Politics aside, he was a visionary obsessed with simplicity. Guess he never played with ITunes lol |
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