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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:20:58 PM EDT
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Even at 6, I knew "don't do the crime if you can't do the time". And I knew assault was a crime. Maybe the kid doesn't anything, but ignorance of the law is no excuse. I knew that at 6, too.  |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:23:43 PM EDT
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then you are against qualified immunity for cops, yes? |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:25:05 PM EDT
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For the first time.....I’ll have a Coke.
School isn’t a babysitting service and what one kid sees another kid do that kid repeats it. Shut the shit down now and shit won’t happen later. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:25:29 PM EDT
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First people wanted the state to provide an education. Then they wanted the state to also provide disciplinary action, free breakfast and lunch, and organized sports. Then they took away the ability for teachers and administrators to discipline children. The end result is that it is now a LE matter when a child misbehaves. It's what they wanted, it's what they get. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on just the limited info I have, I say good arrest. That might change if the teacher was/is a complete asshole & so forth. Believe it or not, not all 6 year old kids are well behaved and normal. This cop may well have saved that kid's life down the road. We don' know yet. Nor do teachers deserve to be hit. Kid sure changed her tune didn't she ? 
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:26:09 PM EDT
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Cop's lucky that 6 year old girl didn't knock him out...and she surely would have had he not manacled her.
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:26:46 PM EDT
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School calls cop because six year old is combative. Cop can only do A. Nothing or B. Arrest Kid. School now sounds like your typical DV Spouse after calling the cops and bitching that her man is being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a marked unit. They wanted the cop to scare the kid, not actually take action. For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it. Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:29:38 PM EDT
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If you want the state to be the parent don't complain when the parenting is not to your liking. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:29:43 PM EDT
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Oh you misbehaved too and you took what I meant as a humored jab too seriously. If that offended you I do apologize I was in a jocular mood when I posted that. I can’t afford anymore enemies here. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:30:11 PM EDT
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This is a load of bullshit For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it. Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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School calls cop because six year old is combative. Cop can only do A. Nothing or B. Arrest Kid. School now sounds like your typical DV Spouse after calling the cops and bitching that her man is being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a marked unit. They wanted the cop to scare the kid, not actually take action. For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it. Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:31:38 PM EDT
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Oh hell man we are cool. I'll buy you a beer anytime. I'll probably just drink water, but maybe you could get me to drink one if the mood struck me just right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh you misbehaved too and you took what I meant as a humored jab too seriously. If that offended you I do apologize I was in a jocular mood when I posted that. I can’t afford anymore enemies here. 
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:32:43 PM EDT
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Not here, all the "Specialists" you speak of are "Surprise!!!!" working for the school district police. No administrator or teacher will touch a kid and they have a policy about not removing combative students from regular classrooms without a judge's order. The JDR judges absolutely ream school admins if it ever gets to them, so merely filing a PO makes them remove them in most cases. They sure are slow learners for people who are in "education." |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:36:49 PM EDT
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Dealing with children is literally my life. Foster parenting and parenting my adopted kids is what my whole life revolves around. We've had well over a hundred kids come and go from our home. Probably closer to two hundred. I have never encountered a child whether it be a teenager or a six year old that required me to even contemplate handcuffs/zip ties. Ever. I've been struck, spit on, and shoved. I've never needed to restrain a child with any kind of device to make myself or them 'safer.' I've always been able to deescalate and I've NEVER had training in the art of deescalation ... yet, I can still do it and no one dies. I wonder why that is. Now to the video.... WTF? No child especially at 6yo needs to be put in handcuffs let alone inside a squad car. I’m rabidly in favor of law and order, pro-law enforcement, but this situation is way above and beyond crossing the line. I would have challenged the LEO if he walked passed me with a 6yo in handcuffs. Not necessary at all. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:37:26 PM EDT
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My wife is a teacher. Many many times the parents are unavailable for contact. My wife has had students being “ raised” by great grandparents who are physically incapable of coming to the school if they are contacted. My wife has had students whose parents are “undocumented” and can not communicate. It’s obvious you don’t get out in the real world much, out of your safe zone. Any time anyone calls the cops, whatever little they have is now the responding officers issue to resolve to cover his own ass So, if someone - let alone a school employee - called the police on a 6-year-old, I'm going to bet that numerous other incidents and unsuccessful attempts to correct the behavior already occurred. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:38:26 PM EDT
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Again, blame people who refuse to parent their kids. These same people take away the schools' abilities to do much of anything BUT call the cops. When the cops get called, someone takes a ride. If charges get dropped so be it. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:42:00 PM EDT
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Lol
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:42:55 PM EDT
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Common sense ended long ago with Mandatory Minimums and Zero Tolerance Policies pushed by Susie Soccer Mom and Johnny No Balls Blue Jeans. The entirety of the school system is fucked up in how they handle disciplinary issues. 1. Teachers cannot go hands on. 2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids. 3. They divert everything to LE. 4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement. 5. Parents don't discipline their kids. 6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school. 7. It becomes a perfect storm. Show me these LE instructions to have zero discretion when it comes to enforcement of laws on children in school. (Unless, of course, the part where the LE is supposed to have zero discretion and call the higher ups for confirmation before arresting, which this guy should have done) |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:48:54 PM EDT
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Cop's lucky that 6 year old girl didn't knock him out...and she surely would have had he not manacled her. You should listen to the audio. Cop got fired and lost his dental plan. Teacher who called the cops needs to be beaten with a billy club. The 6-year old needs a 3-day suspension and regular visits with a child psychiatrist. And her parents should be required to take parenting classes. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:51:35 PM EDT
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Nope. In Florida Charter Schools are higher end institutions that people fight to get into to. They are private institutions funded via tax dollars. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:51:54 PM EDT
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Lol he tried to arrest another 6 year old the same day. Something, something man in the arena. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:52:10 PM EDT
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A FIRED COP IS THE KIND that arrests a six year old. All charges against the little girl have been dropped. School says they never advocated for her arrest. Oh, now I remember. Because people think cops keep a magic fucking wand on their belts and can wave the magic wand and make everyone's life happier, kinder, and better. Fucking please. School was fucking retarded. Cop should have just walked away. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:57:07 PM EDT
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That appears to be at least the unwritten and unspoken policy in my area. The JDR judges absolutely ream school admins if it ever gets to them, so merely filing a PO makes them remove them in most cases. They sure are slow learners for people who are in "education." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not here, all the "Specialists" you speak of are "Surprise!!!!" working for the school district police. No administrator or teacher will touch a kid and they have a policy about not removing combative students from regular classrooms without a judge's order. The JDR judges absolutely ream school admins if it ever gets to them, so merely filing a PO makes them remove them in most cases. They sure are slow learners for people who are in "education." 
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Posted: 2/26/2020 1:57:21 PM EDT
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What does qualified immunity mean???? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then you are against qualified immunity for cops, yes? |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:00:50 PM EDT
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then you are against qualified immunity for cops, yes? |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:03:07 PM EDT
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BOOM!!!! And the QI card gets dropped! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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then you are against qualified immunity for cops, yes? |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:08:14 PM EDT
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Then why did they call the police? Oh, now I remember. Because people think cops keep a magic fucking wand on their belts and can wave the magic wand and make everyone's life happier, kinder, and better. Fucking please. School was fucking retarded. Cop should have just walked away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A FIRED COP IS THE KIND that arrests a six year old. All charges against the little girl have been dropped. School says they never advocated for her arrest. Oh, now I remember. Because people think cops keep a magic fucking wand on their belts and can wave the magic wand and make everyone's life happier, kinder, and better. Fucking please. School was fucking retarded. Cop should have just walked away. If I ever worked around a cop who handcuffed a compliant 6 year old that officer would have suffered greatly at the hands of his co workers. The jokes and pranks would have written themselves. Many years ago a young officer I worked around wanted to arrest a guy for DUI on a bicycle. No supervisors got involved, but he got the hint to not do squirrelly shit that made us all look like idiots. After a month it dawned on him why dispatch held stolen bike calls specifically for him. Probably in this day and age, with “racism” “sexism” and accusations of threats of “workplace violence” cops can’t police their own ranks like days past. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:11:41 PM EDT
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This is a load of bullshit For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it. Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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School calls cop because six year old is combative. Cop can only do A. Nothing or B. Arrest Kid. School now sounds like your typical DV Spouse after calling the cops and bitching that her man is being cuffed and stuffed into the back of a marked unit. They wanted the cop to scare the kid, not actually take action. For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it. Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:13:41 PM EDT
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I am calling you a liar. Show me these LE instructions to have zero discretion when it comes to enforcement of laws on children in school. (Unless, of course, the part where the LE is supposed to have zero discretion and call the higher ups for confirmation before arresting, which this guy should have done) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Common sense ended long ago with Mandatory Minimums and Zero Tolerance Policies pushed by Susie Soccer Mom and Johnny No Balls Blue Jeans. The entirety of the school system is fucked up in how they handle disciplinary issues. 1. Teachers cannot go hands on. 2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids. 3. They divert everything to LE. 4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement. 5. Parents don't discipline their kids. 6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school. 7. It becomes a perfect storm. Show me these LE instructions to have zero discretion when it comes to enforcement of laws on children in school. (Unless, of course, the part where the LE is supposed to have zero discretion and call the higher ups for confirmation before arresting, which this guy should have done) |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:14:24 PM EDT
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Instead she broke down and cried, begging for a second chance, and pleaded with them not to put her in the police car. You should listen to the audio. Cop got fired and lost his dental plan. Teacher who called the cops needs to be beaten with a billy club. The 6-year old needs a 3-day suspension and regular visits with a child psychiatrist. And her parents should be required to take parenting classes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop's lucky that 6 year old girl didn't knock him out...and she surely would have had he not manacled her. You should listen to the audio. Cop got fired and lost his dental plan. Teacher who called the cops needs to be beaten with a billy club. The 6-year old needs a 3-day suspension and regular visits with a child psychiatrist. And her parents should be required to take parenting classes. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:14:51 PM EDT
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In most states you can’t arrest someone that young. They lack the mental capability to form intent. Idaho, for example, you have to be at least 8 years of age to legally form criminal intent.
That cop is a fuckwit. I have been in LE for 28 years. Fortunately retards like this are the exception, not the norm. It only takes one for GD to think one bad cop means they all are though. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:14:54 PM EDT
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The 6-year old needs a 3-day suspension and regular visits with a child psychiatrist. And her parents should be required to take parenting classes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop's lucky that 6 year old girl didn't knock him out...and she surely would have had he not manacled her. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:18:34 PM EDT
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In most states you can't arrest someone that young. They lack the mental capability to form intent. Idaho, for example, you have to be at least 8 years of age to legally form criminal intent. That cop is a fuckwit. I have been in LE for 28 years. Fortunately retards like this are the exception, not the norm. It only takes one for GD to think one bad cop means they all are though. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:20:51 PM EDT
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A FIRED COP IS THE KIND that arrests a six year old. All charges against the little girl have been dropped. School says they never advocated for her arrest. IF the union was in on it, there would have been no firing, I''ll wager. WTF is the school doing calling the police for that anyways?!?!?! As the parent of children in that age range, I would be furious if that was my child. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:22:15 PM EDT
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I could be a cop if all I did was fight six year olds Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because he was a reserve officer, he was not a member of the collective bargaining unit, and the police union didn’t represent him, Shawn Dunlap of the Fraternal Order of Police Orlando Lodge 25, said in an email Tuesday. IF the union was in on it, there would have been no firing, I''ll wager. WTF is the school doing calling the police for that anyways?!?!?! As the parent of children in that age range, I would be furious if that was my child. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:26:49 PM EDT
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I have parents ask me to arrest their elementary age kids often. I don’t take the bait. Even had one call me racist
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:29:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but how many could you fight at one time? One of them may have to be find the answer to this question |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:29:41 PM EDT
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I'm sure the child has terrible behavior problems but cuffing and stuffing a 6 year old? Toot toot |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:30:39 PM EDT
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WTF is the school doing calling the police for that anyways?!?!?! As the parent of children in that age range, I would be furious if that was my child. The very concept of "arresting," or involving the police at all, with a 6-year-old seems absurd ... until it doesn't. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:31:05 PM EDT
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In most states you can’t arrest someone that young. They lack the mental capability to form intent. Idaho, for example, you have to be at least 8 years of age to legally form criminal intent. That cop is a fuckwit. I have been in LE for 28 years. Fortunately retards like this are the exception, not the norm. It only takes one for GD to think one bad cop means they all are though. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:33:02 PM EDT
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Common sense ended long ago with Mandatory Minimums and Zero Tolerance Policies pushed by Susie Soccer Mom and Johnny No Balls Blue Jeans. The entirety of the school system is fucked up in how they handle disciplinary issues. 1. Teachers cannot go hands on. 2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids. 3. They divert everything to LE. 4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement. 5. Parents don't discipline their kids. 6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school. 7. It becomes a perfect storm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus christ, bunch of snowflakes in here... Officer didn't so much as raise his voice, just carted the little hellion to the station for her parents to pick up. Wasn't his problem to begin with, the lazy ass teachers dumped it on him. But even so, that's our tax dollars and the parents' piss poor parenting at work. "Wah, wah, my little angel didn't deserve this..." An adult with two brain cells would have laughed and said "you want me to do what?" I guess the self control to hold back on the "stop resisting" and taser action was good. 1. Teachers cannot go hands on. 2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids. 3. They divert everything to LE. 4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement. 5. Parents don't discipline their kids. 6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school. 7. It becomes a perfect storm. I'm going down to the school in a few minutes to ask them about their policies. Will let y'all know what I find out. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:37:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Immunity from civil damages for government employees for civil rights violations in certain situations, but misunderstood 99.9% of the time. 100% in GD, unless I'm here. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:37:59 PM EDT
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Yeah, but how many could you fight at one time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:42:17 PM EDT
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I wonder if the people asking "what kind of cop would arrest a 6 year old" are the same people who tell their kids "see that policeman... he's going to take you to jail if you don't behave." ??
I hear shit like that monthly when I'm out at lunch 
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:43:04 PM EDT
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That's hard to assess without knowing the kid's disciplinary history. Or how many times the parent(s) had been called in the past, and what kind of response the school got. The very concept of "arresting," or involving the police at all, with a 6-year-old seems absurd ... until it doesn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF is the school doing calling the police for that anyways?!?!?! As the parent of children in that age range, I would be furious if that was my child. The very concept of "arresting," or involving the police at all, with a 6-year-old seems absurd ... until it doesn't. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:44:10 PM EDT
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Indeed. I was hoping the OP could tell me, but it seemed pretty clear he just threw it out there without actually knowing what it meant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:44:58 PM EDT
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Indeed. I was hoping the OP could tell me, but it seemed pretty clear he just threw it out there without actually knowing what it meant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/26/2020 2:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they are that bad they need to be in a mental hospital (and/or parents need to be in counseling/parenting classes as well), or at least a special ed school. Police should have no involvement until they are much, much older than 6. Which is why courts have to be involved to take any serious measures, which in turn requires police involvement. If you don’t have a police report number and all of the data from the report that you cannot otherwise get due to privacy laws, nobody at the court or juvenile intake will even be able to start in most cases. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 3:08:35 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 2/26/2020 3:20:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you not understand that school officials either cannot or will not do any of those things? A school principal can’t just unilaterally order a kid to be institutionalized, or a parent to do anything. It’s very hard to even move a kid to a “special” school without parental agreement. Which is why courts have to be involved to take any serious measures, which in turn requires police involvement. If you don’t have a police report number and all of the data from the report that you cannot otherwise get due to privacy laws, nobody at the court or juvenile intake will even be able to start in most cases. There is no reason to involved the police until CPS has determined the behavior is a result of an abusive home. The School has a problem child and the parents are of no use or can't be bothered to be available at a moments notice, call CPS. A 6 year old child that is abusive to others is likely the victim of abuse themselves. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 3:23:16 PM EDT
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In fact if the cops get called to a school and there is a 6 year old child that is so disruptive that the school felt the need to call the police, I think the first call the cops should make is to CPS and hand that shit off right there.
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