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Posted: 2/26/2020 6:08:12 PM EDT

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The agency shitcanned him because they could. As an at will employee, the agency needed no reason whatsoever to terminate his employment. If he was a fulltime employee, the Union would have stepped in and he wouldn't be fired. It is simply that they fired him because they could to save face instead of own up to the fuck up.

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It also goes further than a union. Even without a union, which some have a hard time understanding is far from automatic in a lot of agencies, an officer can appeal the termination per agency or civil service guidelines. If unsuccessful, they can also pursue litigation through the civil court system.

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:08:47 PM EDT

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That's why Body Cameras and In Car Cameras exist now.

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What does a 6 year old do that causes them to be arrested?

I'm pretty sure it's not angelic behavior

What does a cop do that causes him to get fired?

I'm pretty sure it's not angelic behavior

He didn't notify his supervisor prior to the arrest. That's what got him fired. He is a Reserve Officer and that means he worked at will for the agency. They could have terminated him for not shining his shoes. They shit canned him as a scapegoat due to the bad PR framed by the situation and media.

If he had gotten permission to transport the girl elsewhere, common sense would be to get another officer to ride along without her cuffed if she wasn't acting up.
You have to admit handcuffing a non-combative 6 year old is bad PR

Imagine the PR when the kid says the cop touched her private parts during transport

That's why Body Cameras and In Car Cameras exist now.

In car cameras exist so you can arrest a toddler and prove you didn’t touch them sexually?

Maybe we could just not arrest toddlers?

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:10:07 PM EDT

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In car cameras exist so you can arrest a toddler and prove you didn't touch them sexually?

Maybe we could just not arrest toddlers?

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What does a 6 year old do that causes them to be arrested?

I'm pretty sure it's not angelic behavior

What does a cop do that causes him to get fired?

I'm pretty sure it's not angelic behavior

He didn't notify his supervisor prior to the arrest. That's what got him fired. He is a Reserve Officer and that means he worked at will for the agency. They could have terminated him for not shining his shoes. They shit canned him as a scapegoat due to the bad PR framed by the situation and media.

If he had gotten permission to transport the girl elsewhere, common sense would be to get another officer to ride along without her cuffed if she wasn't acting up.
You have to admit handcuffing a non-combative 6 year old is bad PR

Imagine the PR when the kid says the cop touched her private parts during transport

That's why Body Cameras and In Car Cameras exist now.

In car cameras exist so you can arrest a toddler and prove you didn't touch them sexually?

Maybe we could just not arrest toddlers?

False Accusations exist.... THAT'S WHY CAMERAS EXIST.

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:11:02 PM EDT

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What does the opposite of at will mean in the context of being fired.

What EXACTLY did you mean by this post if you didn't mean a union would have likely protected him if he were full time?

Take your time. I have several hours of nothing to do.

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What I EXACTLY meant was this: In Florida, reserve and auxiliary officers are at will employees, in that they are working of their own volition. "At-will" in my state means in this case, with no long term contractual obligation in place for either the officer or the agency. The volunteer may leave at their choosing and the agency may terminate their relationship without cause.

My original comment was directed at the fact that I was not surprised he was fired, as their is no necessity to have cause to "fire" the reserve and there is no appeal process for the reserve either. It is very easy and can be common to see "at-will" employees or volunteers terminated at the blink of an eye if they are involved in a controversial situation or incident in my area.

Again, where did I introduce the union angle into this thread?

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:24:57 PM EDT

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I can sure tell what generation most of you guys grew up in..

Shit, if I had hit a teacher, my dad would have been busting my ass after he made me find the switch to do it with and then make me write an apology to the teacher and read it out loud in front of the class!

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Pretty much this.

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:26:22 PM EDT

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A FIRED COP IS THE KIND that arrests a six year old.

All charges against the little girl have been dropped. School says they never advocated for her arrest.

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Classic CYA

Qhy did they call the police? Why didn't the school "handle" it?

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:29:39 PM EDT

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Classic CYA

Qhy did they call the police? Why didn't the school "handle" it?

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They never "advocated" for the arrest.

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publicly recommend or support.

Posted: 2/26/2020 6:45:24 PM EDT

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So for future guidance, maybe don't arrest 6 year olds unless they're wielding nunchucks or something. And they're really big for their age.

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Posted: 2/26/2020 6:58:00 PM EDT

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I was at a local Walmart, getting new tires/oil change, so I am sitting there. I notice the tactical boots on the guy sitting next to me, so I strike up a conversation
"So do you work at the base?
"No, counselor at the Juvenile detention facility"

So he starts telling me stories of his job site, think of the worst kind of Tarantino horror shock Lord of the flies film, but with 7-10 year olds.

To summarize everything, the kids have to shower one at a time, or they will all start raping each other, 7 year olds. Violent assaults are daily. The guards male and female have gotten in trouble for sneaking in contraband and fucking them. Then they get out, because "they just kids" and they go on to abuse kids at school/daycare, eventually get caught, back in the system, but now more victims (who may also end up in the system). The system is not designed to heal broken kids, just put them in a cell with other broken kids to learn how to be better abusers and then get out, come back in, lather rinse repeat.

The court system has found themselves a self licking ice cream cone, where court/legal services will always be in demand, as they will always have a healthy supply of criminals. Which is how we got here...

"The majority of violent crimes are perpetrated by a small number of persistent violent offenders, typically males, characterized by early onset of violent criminality, substance abuse, personality disorders, and nonviolent criminality."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969807/

There are kids with no parents, no role models, no morals, and exposed to violence and sex abuse, drug and gang culture since they could remember.

But we can't talk about this, we can only discuss getting "guns off the street". They are perpetuating violence, by ignoring the sociocultural causes of violence in our urban communities.

I'm all about locking up offenders. But if this system is not addressed and seriously upgraded/reformed, then they will use it as an excuse to take your rights to defend yourself away, and we will still have a permanent criminal underclass.

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It's really more complex than that. I worked for a few years in Day Treatment, which was essentially a school for kids that couldn't go to public school. They were too messed up. I got hit daily and was hurt bad enough to go the ER twice. These were 5-15 year olds. I worked mostly with the little guys, though when I had my nose broken I was with a 7, 9 and 13 year old. The 13 year old did try to help me but he also punched me a few times. I live in a very rural area. Our entire county (which is roughly 3500 sq miles) has a population of about 75000. The kids I worked with were so badly abused they were literally fucked up for life. Some of the staff prided themselves in "making an impact" in the kids life, but I have no doubt most will end up in prison. I hope I am wrong, and while I may sound harsh, I have a lot of compassion for them. I had one little girl that spent the first 5 years of her life locked in a closet and sexually abused by her father and brother). We treated about 20 kids -- if we have that many kids in our county you can be assured you have that many (or more) in your county. The problem is that we are not allowed to discipline these kids. Taking a branch and hitting me in the face with it will earn you a talk too. Granted the kids that attacked me were restrained once other adults got involved but I was back alone working with them the next day. I got wrote up for restraining the same girl mentioned above (in order to restrain you have to have another staff member help and agree to it, but I was wrote up) because she was attacking one of her "classmates." I have no doubt most facilities similar have similar philosophy and clientele. I could tell you stories that would make Tarantino look tame.

While I haven't really looked at the article mentioned by the OP I applaud police officers who hold kids accountable for their actions. It's a dying art.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:05:43 PM EDT

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The agency shitcanned him because they could. As an at will employee, the agency needed no reason whatsoever to terminate his employment. If he was a fulltime employee, the Union would have stepped in and he wouldn't be fired. It is simply that they fired him because they could to save face instead of own up to the fuck up.

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I've already explained that. Just goes over their heads.

So what is the point? That a regular full time police officer can arrest 6 year olds because a union will protect their jobs? Is that really an argument any of you want to make?

If so...

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If not, explain yourselves. Thanks.

The agency shitcanned him because they could. As an at will employee, the agency needed no reason whatsoever to terminate his employment. If he was a fulltime employee, the Union would have stepped in and he wouldn't be fired. It is simply that they fired him because they could to save face instead of own up to the fuck up.

The agency owns the fuck up of the officer not following policy?

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:10:11 PM EDT

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When I went to school the teacher would beat that ass with a paddle/small boat oar or yard stick.

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Damn right, the dean's paddle had holes drilled into it. They asked you to bend over the back of a chair. Ask me how I know lol

Now the coaches imho were a little too liberal using that damn paddle.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:12:06 PM EDT

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You could use that same logic against the school; they need to not call cops for disciplinary issues. If you don't need cops, don't call cops.

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This right there all day long. The school called the police correct?

A police officer needs to know when to get back in his car and drive away.

You could use that same logic against the school; they need to not call cops for disciplinary issues. If you don't need cops, don't call cops.

Agree call the damn parents. In this case I believe it was the grandmother.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:24:34 PM EDT

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Even at 6, I knew “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”.

And I knew assault was a crime.

Maybe the kid doesn’t anything, but ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I knew that at 6, too.

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When I was 6 I never heard that term. When I was older if you got into a fight. You got a paddling at school and when you got home. Assault did not even exist back then.

You misbehave again paddle at school and switch at home.

First off this dick did not follow protocol by calling in to get approval to arrest a 6 year old.

I agree with what some are saying about discipline. But there are other ways as a teacher and better yet to put the fear of God in a 6 year old other than restraining them and arresting them.

This could impact her alright. Impact her to hate and be afraid of cops.

L.E. already has a tough enough job without a reservist doing something this stupid and making it seem all LEOs are like him.

They should have contacted the caregiver and ltk of the situation and le was there and come in asap. Then sit down and talk about this problem.

Personally this was not a L.E. issue. It was a school issue. The reservist officer should be fired for not following protocol.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:27:11 PM EDT

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I hate people that do crap like that. I'm not there to scare your kid into being better because you cant be a parent.

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They wanted the cop to scare the kid, not actually take action.

I hate people that do crap like that. I'm not there to scare your kid into being better because you cant be a parent.

I'll back you on that statement. You job is not to scare 6 yr old kids. Because that will imprint on a child.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:27:13 PM EDT

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This is a load of bullshit

For starters, there are generally specialists in child discipline at schools. All teachers get SOME training in dealing with difficult children and generally there are Vice Principals who specialize in it, as well as often special ed teachers who specialize in it.

Similarly, there's a world of options for a police officer between nothing and arrest. One of those options is to stay present to stop any (serous) physical attack of teacher by child and wait for more trained member of staff, or parent, or hell if this is a repeating issue, CPS to arrive.

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The school isn't going to devote further resources to the kid. They called for the police so they could wash their hands of any responsibility. CPS isn't going to immediately respond either

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:34:50 PM EDT

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My Aunt is a teacher in S FL(Tampa)... She said dealing w/ the parents of these kids w/ behavioral issues is a nightmare. You can see where & why the issues developed. Apples dont fall far...

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Unfortunately that's true. My little is a good little girl.

But follow a guideline

Communication
Documentation
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Follow-up

Build case at school to use against these parents.

Posted: 2/26/2020 7:59:20 PM EDT

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Yup, plus there is the issue of teachers can't go hands on with kids anymore.

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If only Arfcom could see CPI in action.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:05:47 PM EDT

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Common sense ended long ago with Mandatory Minimums and Zero Tolerance Policies pushed by Susie Soccer Mom and Johnny No Balls Blue Jeans. The entirety of the school system is fucked up in how they handle disciplinary issues.

1. Teachers cannot go hands on.
2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids.
3. They divert everything to LE.
4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement.
5. Parents don't discipline their kids.
6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school.
7. It becomes a perfect storm.

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You also forget to mention teachers are punished with the threat of not having their contract renewed if they seek prosecution of students, even for very serious offenses such as sexual battery and aggravated battery.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:06:33 PM EDT

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Maybe the kid will learn not to do that.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:07:22 PM EDT

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You also forget to mention teachers are punished with the threat of not having their contract renewed if they seek prosecution of students, even for very serious offenses such as sexual battery and aggravated battery.

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Common sense ended long ago with Mandatory Minimums and Zero Tolerance Policies pushed by Susie Soccer Mom and Johnny No Balls Blue Jeans. The entirety of the school system is fucked up in how they handle disciplinary issues.

1. Teachers cannot go hands on.
2. Schools cannot punish unruly kids.
3. They divert everything to LE.
4. LE is instructed to no have discretion when it comes to enforcement.
5. Parents don't discipline their kids.
6. Since kids are disciplined at home, they are unruly at school.
7. It becomes a perfect storm.

You also forget to mention teachers are punished with the threat of not having their contract renewed if they seek prosecution of students, even for very serious offenses such as sexual battery and aggravated battery.

And people wondered why Nikolas Cruz became a problem.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:08:50 PM EDT

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What kind of six year old needs to be arrested?

Why did the school call the police?

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:09:59 PM EDT

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LOL.... principal is the one who called the cop. If a principal touched a kid today. They'd go to jail.

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They have to do CPI and holds and shit.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:10:57 PM EDT

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What kind of six year old needs to be arrested?

Why did the school call the police?

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Because schools don't dare discipline kids. So they dump their problems on LE.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:13:30 PM EDT

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He didn't notify his supervisor prior to the arrest. That's what got him fired. He is a Reserve Officer and that means he worked at will for the agency. They could have terminated him for not shining his shoes. They shit canned him as a scapegoat due to the bad PR framed by the situation and media.

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This. Most people don't get it. Right or wrong.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:16:05 PM EDT

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How about a cop that's doing his job, because parents don't do theirs.

If people actually raised their children right schools wouldn't be calling police to deal with kids. As it is now a kid starts kicking/punching on a teacher and a large portion of the parents of said kids are going to come to their child's defense or try to make excuses for them.

At the end of the day the joke's on them. When their kids hit 14-18 the parents are going to be calling the police to their house because they can't handle their badass kids and/or afraid of their kids. To late by then. You fucked up from day one. You can't fix that 15+ years in.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:16:38 PM EDT

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If he had gotten permission to transport the girl elsewhere, common sense would be to get another officer to ride along without her cuffed if she wasn’t acting up.
You have to admit handcuffing a non-combative 6 year old is bad PR

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Absolutely.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:17:35 PM EDT

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So in your expert opinion, he was fired for bad PR and not arresting the 6 year old?

Did you read the part about how much of a fuckup this guy was for years?

Why would you still be here defending him? If it were me and I had defended him without reading the article or thread, I would unsubscribe here. YMMV

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Seems you didn't read any of the original articles when the story actually happened.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:18:50 PM EDT

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Transporting her out of the school wouldn’t necessarily mean he was arresting her.

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Why do so many agencies required ALL people transported, regardless of arrest to be searched and placed in cuffs? Cop gets fucked no matter what.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:26:08 PM EDT

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If only apathy were a virtue, GD would be full of saints.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:26:11 PM EDT

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Because he was a reserve officer, he was not a member of the collective bargaining unit, and the police union didn’t represent him, Shawn Dunlap of the Fraternal Order of Police Orlando Lodge 25, said in an email Tuesday.

IF the union was in on it, there would have been no firing, I''ll wager.

WTF is the school doing calling the police for that anyways?!?!?!

As the parent of children in that age range, I would be furious if that was my child.

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Unions don't mean shit in Florida.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:30:10 PM EDT

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Don’t worry this is all just the stepping stone to removing discipline at all

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So the choice is between no discipline at all or cops cuffing and stuffing 6 year olds?

Do tell.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:30:49 PM EDT

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In fact if the cops get called to a school and there is a 6 year old child that is so disruptive that the school felt the need to call the police, I think the first call the cops should make is to CPS and hand that shit off right there.

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CPS?

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:31:50 PM EDT

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I am calling you a liar.

Show me these LE instructions to have zero discretion when it comes to enforcement of laws on children in school.

(Unless, of course, the part where the LE is supposed to have zero discretion and call the higher ups for confirmation before arresting, which this guy should have done)

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Our school resource officer's don't exercise discretion for any crime committed on school property. Sadly we live in an age where discretion is going out the window. Body camera's have to be active on every call. Now you can't use discretion to just squash a minor issue like you used to.

Also after the Parkland shooting and everyone whining about how many times the Sheriffs department dealt with the shooter and 'nothing was done'. Now it means when you deal with students for issues at school, an arrest is necessary to CYA. Should further violence arise from said person years down the line nobody wants to be the guy that investigated a crime with that person and 'did nothing.'

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:32:21 PM EDT

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The thing is we have heard it is arrest or do nothing and the arrest caused the cop to get fired so that leaves what?

We only know what we are told by the experts.

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It leaves school security driving the kid home or the parent or guardian picking the kid up. It is not binary in Florida. Miami JBT might have that policy at his agency but is not that way statewide.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:32:59 PM EDT

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pussy ass cop is probably a pedo... Likes to restrain 6 y.o. kids?

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I'm guessing a stupid moron. Occam's razor and all.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:33:51 PM EDT

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Is there a minimum age to arrest someone or something?

Sometimes kids are little shits too

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not in Florida. We are told to run stuff by the local Assistant State's Attorney here if under 12 years old. Even gives us his cell phone to call anytime.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:37:23 PM EDT

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Teacher takes student out of room and gets arrested for it.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:37:58 PM EDT

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But the union. And all the cops here saying this was appropriate.

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Cut the union bullshit. This is an at-will state.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:39:13 PM EDT

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Our school resource officer's don't exercise discretion for any crime committed on school property. Sadly we live in an age where discretion is going out the window. Body camera's have to be active on every call. Now you can't use discretion to just squash a minor issue like you used to.

Also after the Parkland shooting and everyone whining about how many times the Sheriffs department dealt with the shooter and 'nothing was done'. Now it means when you deal with students for issues at school, an arrest is necessary to CYA. Should further violence arise from said person years down the line nobody wants to be the guy that investigated a crime with that person and 'did nothing.'

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I am calling you a liar.

Show me these LE instructions to have zero discretion when it comes to enforcement of laws on children in school.

(Unless, of course, the part where the LE is supposed to have zero discretion and call the higher ups for confirmation before arresting, which this guy should have done)

Our school resource officer's don't exercise discretion for any crime committed on school property. Sadly we live in an age where discretion is going out the window. Body camera's have to be active on every call. Now you can't use discretion to just squash a minor issue like you used to.

Also after the Parkland shooting and everyone whining about how many times the Sheriffs department dealt with the shooter and 'nothing was done'. Now it means when you deal with students for issues at school, an arrest is necessary to CYA. Should further violence arise from said person years down the line nobody wants to be the guy that investigated a crime with that person and 'did nothing.'

Yup, and folks here bitched that "police could have done stuff" with Cruz before he snapped. Well, lawmakers listened and passed red flag laws.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:39:33 PM EDT

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Wish I had both.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:41:33 PM EDT

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Fuck these little bastards. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:43:17 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/26/2020 8:43:39 PM EDT

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not in Florida. We are told to run stuff by the local Assistant State's Attorney here if under 12 years old. Even gives us his cell phone to call anytime.

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Is there a minimum age to arrest someone or something?

Sometimes kids are little shits too

not in Florida. We are told to run stuff by the local Assistant State's Attorney here if under 12 years old. Even gives us his cell phone to call anytime.

In Miami Dade.... that never would have happened.... calling the ASA.... LOL. Juveniles were either Civil Cited or transported to the JAC run by Miami Dade Corrections. If they were young, run it by the shift supervisor. We had some ten year olds that were habitual shoplifters. They came from a family of scumbags. Hell, we had eleven year olds working as drug mules for the corner dealers since they figured young kids wouldn't get stopped.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:45:37 PM EDT

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Teacher takes student out of room and gets arrested for it.

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Hence why schools dump their problem kids on cops. Teachers can't discipline kids.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:46:20 PM EDT

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Do you not understand that school officials either cannot or will not do any of those things? A school principal can’t just unilaterally order a kid to be institutionalized, or a parent to do anything. It’s very hard to even move a kid to a “special” school without parental agreement.

Which is why courts have to be involved to take any serious measures, which in turn requires police involvement. If you don’t have a police report number and all of the data from the report that you cannot otherwise get due to privacy laws, nobody at the court or juvenile intake will even be able to start in most cases.

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If they are that bad they need to be in a mental hospital (and/or parents need to be in counseling/parenting classes as well), or at least a special ed school. Police should have no involvement until they are much, much older than 6.

Do you not understand that school officials either cannot or will not do any of those things? A school principal can’t just unilaterally order a kid to be institutionalized, or a parent to do anything. It’s very hard to even move a kid to a “special” school without parental agreement.

Which is why courts have to be involved to take any serious measures, which in turn requires police involvement. If you don’t have a police report number and all of the data from the report that you cannot otherwise get due to privacy laws, nobody at the court or juvenile intake will even be able to start in most cases.

Absolutely, the laws/regulations have been crafted by retards. From what Officer Miami posted, the Florida "Rebulicants" have go full retard. However, "just following orders" didn't work before... Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean Officer Robot (beep beep) or school admin should be doing it are they monkeys, or do that have two fictional brain cells to rub together (not a typo)? Or that school boards should be directing schools to do it. There are check and balances that are not being used, I am sure. At minimum citizens should be pushing to get rid of these retarded laws. And are they just laws or are some of these things "department policies"? I'll bet some of it is just a "policy".

The school was closed by the time I could get there, but I do recall signing a paper to authorize corporal punishment, and I checked the law again just now. It hasn't been used on my kids, cause they are not little shits. I've never had to spank my kids either. But it's still legal in Oklahoma.

I am going to ask them ASAP about their policies regarding calling police on students.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:46:42 PM EDT

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Yup, and folks here bitched that "police could have done stuff" with Cruz before he snapped. Well, lawmakers listened and passed red flag laws.

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They fuck over the innocent with red flags and leave the same shitty policies in place that created Cruz and Martin. They protect the school superintendent in Broward too.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:47:37 PM EDT

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Cut the union bullshit. This is an at-will state.

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But the union. And all the cops here saying this was appropriate.

Cut the union bullshit. This is an at-will state.

He thinks the Union is like some all power organization. He clearly doesn't understand that the Union would simply fight for their member. The firing might drag out, but he would ultimately be shitcanned if he was at fault even if a Union member. Since he's at will. He's out the door right then and there.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:48:45 PM EDT

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They fuck over the innocent with red flags and leave the same shitty policies in place that created Cruz and Martin. They protect the school superintendent in Broward too.

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Yup, and folks here bitched that "police could have done stuff" with Cruz before he snapped. Well, lawmakers listened and passed red flag laws.

They fuck over the innocent with red flags and leave the same shitty policies in place that created Cruz and Martin. They protect the school superintendent in Broward too.

That they did.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:48:50 PM EDT

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He thinks the Union is like some all power organization. He clearly doesn't understand that the Union would simply fight for their member. The firing might drag out, but he would ultimately be shitcanned if he was at fault even if a Union member. Since he's at will. He's out the door right then and there.

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My union gives me a lawyer for certain things and negotiates our contract. That's it. If I piss the wrong person off, I am gone.

Posted: 2/26/2020 8:51:56 PM EDT

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Absolutely, the laws/regulations have been crafted by retards. From what Officer Miami posted, the Florida "Rebulicants" have go full retard. However, "just following orders" didn't work before... Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean Officer Robot (beep beep) or school admin should be doing it are they monkeys, or do that have two fictional brain cells to rub together (not a typo)? Or that school boards should be directing schools to do it. There are check and balances that are not being used, I am sure. At minimum citizens should be pushing to get rid of these retarded laws. And are they just laws or are some of these things "department policies"? I'll bet some of it is just a "policy".

The school was closed by the time I could get there, but I do recall signing a paper to authorize corporal punishment, and I checked the law again just now. It hasn't been used on my kids, cause they are not little shits. I've never had to spank my kids either. But it's still legal in Oklahoma.

I am going to ask them ASAP about their policies regarding calling police on students.

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If they are that bad they need to be in a mental hospital (and/or parents need to be in counseling/parenting classes as well), or at least a special ed school. Police should have no involvement until they are much, much older than 6.

Do you not understand that school officials either cannot or will not do any of those things? A school principal can't just unilaterally order a kid to be institutionalized, or a parent to do anything. It's very hard to even move a kid to a "special" school without parental agreement.

Which is why courts have to be involved to take any serious measures, which in turn requires police involvement. If you don't have a police report number and all of the data from the report that you cannot otherwise get due to privacy laws, nobody at the court or juvenile intake will even be able to start in most cases.

Absolutely, the laws/regulations have been crafted by retards. From what Officer Miami posted, the Florida "Rebulicants" have go full retard. However, "just following orders" didn't work before... Just because something is "legal" doesn't mean Officer Robot (beep beep) or school admin should be doing it are they monkeys, or do that have two fictional brain cells to rub together (not a typo)? Or that school boards should be directing schools to do it. There are check and balances that are not being used, I am sure. At minimum citizens should be pushing to get rid of these retarded laws. And are they just laws or are some of these things "department policies"? I'll bet some of it is just a "policy".

The school was closed by the time I could get there, but I do recall signing a paper to authorize corporal punishment, and I checked the law again just now. It hasn't been used on my kids, cause they are not little shits. I've never had to spank my kids either. But it's still legal in Oklahoma.

I am going to ask them ASAP about their policies regarding calling police on students.

People wanted the State to "Do Something". Well, something was done. People need to be careful what they wish for. And the people don't want to repeal these laws.

Hell, Arfcommers outside of Florida wanted us to reward the Republicans that passed these laws by voting them back into office. Shit, I remember when Rick Scott signed SB 7026 into law, folks here badmouthed him. Then they remembered he was running for the Senate. So they told us Floridians to vote for Rick Scott.

What message did that send? Republicans can pass Big Government Authoritarian Control and Gun Control and they'll be rewarded with higher offices.

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